Will Ohio every ban baiting deer?

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buckslayermiller

Discussion Starter · Jan 6, 2015 (Edited by Moderator)

Will Ohio ever ban baiting deer?

Anybody think this will be something ODNR looks at, does it even matter?

Topic was on my mind after talking with a couple neighbors who are gonna bait for a late season buck.

I know some think its unethical, thats not what im thinking about, but whether it effects the deer kill alot, and whether DOW will ever outlaw the practice.

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thornton

· #21 · Jan 7, 2015

As long as baiting is tied specifically to hunter ethics and hunter ease of deer evaluation or manipulation, it will not go away.
As long as baiting carries an economic component, it will not go away.
As long as baiting is tied in only to an effect on whitetail deer, it will not go away.

If baiting involved only turnips, carrots and Pelligrini cabbage then it would not be as much of an issue in baiting for whitetail deer and so, in deserving to go away.

Wildman18

· #22 · Jan 7, 2015

I sure wish they would make it illegal.

I think baiting defeats the entire definition of the word "Hunting".. Change it to killing but don't call it hunting.

Anyone that says other wise is only lying to themselves.

That being said thornton is spot on..

The learning lesson in anything including government.. Once something is done it is extremely hard to reverse it.

Wildman18

· #23 · Jan 7, 2015

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chass

· #24 · Jan 7, 2015

Wildman18 said:
I sure wish they would make it illegal.

I think baiting defeats the entire definition of the word "Hunting".. Change it to killing but don't call it hunting.

Anyone that says other wise is only lying to themselves.

That being said thornton is spot on..

The learning lesson in anything including government.. Once something is done it is extremely hard to reverse it.

If you don't consider this to be hunting do you also not consider setting up by the group of acorn trees in the woods or the lone apple tree in the back corner of a field? Or the single watering hole on your property that is in the middle of the woods fairly close to bedding grounds. All natural, not man-made. I see all these and baiting to be the same, you aren't guaranteed to have a trophy come up on any bait whether it be natural or man made. You do have a pretty good chance at a deer in general showing up but I can easily put myself in that position just using natural habitat.

And just so you know, I do not hunt over any attractants or bait. Other than AG fields when I am up north. And honestly, I have no other choice because it's either don't let the farmers farm, or don't hunt as most of the "woods" up there are just sections of a few acres here and there. Not to change the topic but I consider driving to be the big culprit for those types of woods alone. Growing up in that area I have seen a lot of awesome deer taken, the majority were taken on drives. You drive the entire woods and all the deer come running out of the other end. You shoot at the biggest bucks. If there weren't any, try another section.

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crankNmiles

· #25 · Jan 7, 2015

Wildman18 said:
I sure wish they would make it illegal.

I think baiting defeats the entire definition of the word "Hunting".. Change it to killing but don't call it hunting.

Anyone that says other wise is only lying to themselves.

That being said thornton is spot on..

The learning lesson in anything including government.. Once something is done it is extremely hard to reverse it.

I would be curious how many people actually have killed a deer at a bait pile. I put out a ton of corn and honestly have never shot a deer at the corn pile. I might have 5 daytime pics of deer eating at the site.

buckslayermiller

Discussion Starter · #26 · Jan 7, 2015

Ive used corn in September last 2 years to get deer on camera. But in the places I hunt, I dont have deer showing up in daylight, thats a month before season. Theres no chance of killing anything but yearlings over bait where I hunt.

It wouldnt matter if I planted food plots, or fruit trees, or wait by the ag fields, the deer are just to nocturnal to come to food sources in daylight.

I have to hunt close to bedding, and wait for prerut and rut.

Ive always veiwed bait piles as quickie/hillbilly food plots. Id do it if I thought it would work well!

0rion

· #27 · Jan 7, 2015

chass said:
If you don't consider this to be hunting do you also not consider setting up by the group of acorn trees in the woods or the lone apple tree in the back corner of a field? Or the single watering hole on your property that is in the middle of the woods fairly close to bedding grounds. All natural, not man-made. I see all these and baiting to be the same, you aren't guaranteed to have a trophy come up on any bait whether it be natural or man made. You do have a pretty good chance at a deer in general showing up but I can easily put myself in that position just using natural habitat.

And just so you know, I do not hunt over any attractants or bait. Other than AG fields when I am up north. And honestly, I have no other choice because it's either don't let the farmers farm, or don't hunt as most of the "woods" up there are just sections of a few acres here and there. Not to change the topic but I consider driving to be the big culprit for those types of woods alone. Growing up in that area I have seen a lot of awesome deer taken, the majority were taken on drives. You drive the entire woods and all the deer come running out of the other end. You shoot at the biggest bucks. If there weren't any, try another section.

popular argument from the bait crowd. The easy answer is if you put it there yourself for the purpose of hunting over it then yes......it's baiting. The baiting I have the most problems with are the corn piles and feeders and I think that's what wildman was talking about also. There should be a separate classification for those deer....that's no longer fair chase.

Wildman18

· #28 · Jan 7, 2015 (Edited by Moderator)

chass said:
If you don't consider this to be hunting do you also not consider setting up by the group of acorn trees in the woods or the lone apple tree in the back corner of a field? Or the single watering hole on your property that is in the middle of the woods fairly close to bedding grounds. All natural, not man-made. I see all these and baiting to be the same, you aren't guaranteed to have a trophy come up on any bait whether it be natural or man made. You do have a pretty good chance at a deer in general showing up but I can easily put myself in that position just using natural habitat.

And just so you know, I do not hunt over any attractants or bait. Other than AG fields when I am up north. And honestly, I have no other choice because it's either don't let the farmers farm, or don't hunt as most of the "woods" up there are just sections of a few acres here and there. Not to change the topic but I consider driving to be the big culprit for those types of woods alone. Growing up in that area I have seen a lot of awesome deer taken, the majority were taken on drives. You drive the entire woods and all the deer come running out of the other end. You shoot at the biggest bucks. If there weren't any, try another section.

Sorry but IMO that's apples and oranges..

10 years ago I would fill a 55gal plastic barrel with corn... Many many deer on during the day light hours.. I could shoot a deer any time off of the barrel and on many occasions I have walked down to it only to see 4 deer on the barrel as for big ones... Yes If I can find pic's I will post. Of course not as often.

I know others will disagree and I don't care. Those are my thoughts. Baiting is not hunting. It is for pretend hunters. Anyone that has a history of hunting with there father/grandfather and learned how to really hunt understands what I'm saying.

Wildman18

· #29 · Jan 7, 2015

There is a guy I know who hunted a lot with the "Wounders" up the creak. They have 3 stands within 60 yds of each other with 4 to 5 piles of corn and apple in the middle. This kid hunted with these guys for several years. He killed a 145 when he was 16 he is now 21.

I started to take him hunting pheasant and deer. I took him to Athens last year and talked about bedding sites travel corridors food and so on. He really got what I was talking about. This summer he went out west to guide school.. Now he just laughs at the way he hunted with those guy's. He would share storys while in school. The guys out there just busted his balls..

Point is hunting over bait is a joke.

buckslayermiller

Discussion Starter · #30 · Jan 7, 2015

I think theres alittle bit of a catch 22 when it comes to baiting.

If you have deer that are pressured so lightly that they will come to bait during shooting light, especially a mature buck then you probably dont need it to kill deer.

If you need to use bait, probably the deer your after are nocturnal, pressured hard, and a bait pile is just feeding deer at night.

I know several guys who put bait out for deer, and most dont have daytime pics on camera, but they know what bucks are around fromthe bait pile.

Ive heard of people saying they can walk up to corn piles and theres deer everywhere, or they can kill a deer over food anytime...if all thats true, your hunting non pressured deer...so its moot.

chass

· #31 · Jan 7, 2015

Maybe it is just because I haven't really experienced this that I don't really understand why it's not hunting. A lot of the people that are completely against it talk like if you put bait out you WILL have your biggest buck from your neighbors property on your property and you WILL kill it. Each and every year. I just don't see this as the case at all. I also don't see how I was comparing apples to oranges either. We are talking about a source that will attract deer. All of which you can do yourself, you can plant food for them in fields and you can plant trees for them for later years and you can dig watering holes as well. All of these things are used to attract deer to a certain area for you to have a chance to kill them.

If we really want to get down to it, most of us aren't the technical hunter. If you look up the true definition of hunting it is the pursuit of something. To pursue something you must go after it(aka move). The majority of hunters today sit in a stand, blind or at the base of a tree. This is actually called ambushing, which is now considered a style of hunting. True hunting where you pursue your target on foot is quite complicated so if you are saying that this is the only true way of hunting then I understand where you are coming from with baiting not being hunting as to ambush an animal on a pile of corn someone has placed somewhere is the same as to ambush an animal on a pile of acorns. These piles could be in the same exact place which is where deer move through. The only thing the pile did was make sure they stopped where you wanted them to so you got your shot.

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Wildman18

· #32 · Jan 7, 2015 (Edited by Moderator)

Your putting a foreign food in the woods in hopes to draw/lure it in to that specific location usually with-in a 15ft diameter... That's baiting.

I have been on this site long enough to know that this will not go anywhere.

If you don't get it then you just don't get it. My statements extends to the same things that **** and Mounty talks about public land. Hunting bedding, food, and travel corridor's. Reading maps finding those "places", that's hunting. NOT JUST THROWING OUT A FOREIGN FOOD SOURCE and sitting on it. Those are pretend hunters.
That is the kind of thing you do for kids to get them into hunting after that most people take that next step/challenge and want to get past the kid's way of hunting and want to hunt like our old school idols hunt. But I guess now a days the only idols out there do the same so I can see how this generation cant grasp what I am saying.. Either that or they just want the results with out putting in the work. No carrying a bag of corn to a stand is not work.

In MREX thread about the best hunters you know.. I don't think there are to many on the list that bait. Most on the list do it Hunting bedding, food, and travel corridor's. Reading maps finding those "places",

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Bawana

· #33 · Jan 7, 2015

Wildman18 said:
Your putting a foreign food in the woods in hopes to draw/lure it in to that specific location usually with-in a 15ft diameter... That's baiting.

I have been on this site long enough to know that this will not go anywhere.

If you don't get it then you just don't get it. My statements extends to the same things that **** and Mounty talks about public land. Hunting bedding, food, and travel corridor's. Reading maps finding those "places", that's hunting. NOT JUST THROWING OUT A FOREIGN FOOD SOURCE and sitting on it. Those are pretend hunters.
That is the kind of thing you do for kids to get them into hunting after that most people take that next step/challenge and want to get past the kid's way of hunting and want to hunt like our old school idols hunt. But I guess now a days the only idols out there do the same so I can see how this generation cant grasp what I am saying.. Either that or they just want the results with out putting in the work. No carrying a bag of corn to a stand is not work.

In MREX thread about the best hunters you know.. I don't think there are to many on the list that bait. Most on the list do it Hunting bedding, food, and travel corridor's. Reading maps finding those "places",

Well if I scout, find the bedding areas, and a travel corridor leading to them and put corn out there does that make me a master baiter?

Sorry just needed to lighten things up a little bit!

Wildman18

· #34 · Jan 7, 2015

Valid point!!!! That's being a master baiter..

I have meet people that know no other way of hunting other than baiting maybe they have only been taught this way. So my point which can come off rude which I know but I am a straight shooter and just cant help it. but I really just challenge people to hunt without bait learn how to really hunt using the methods above.

I know you know what I'm talking about Bawana..

chass

· #35 · Jan 7, 2015

I don't see you as coming off as rude one bit just so you know. And like I previously stated I have never hunted over a foreign food source which you consider to be bait. I still consider myself to have hunted over plenty of bait, that being natural bait(groups of acorn trees, lone watering holes, AG fields and many other food/water sources that I know will attract deer) which is why I feel that this is still baiting deer. I guess we just have a differing view on what is considered baiting and what isn't. I do see where you are coming from, my big issue with it is the major loopholes in baiting if they were to make it illegal on private land. Would it affect me if they did change it? Not really as I only put mineral attractants out for cams in pre/early season. To me cams would be the culprit at making hunting easier. You place cams where you think there is a fair amount of deer traffic. If you are a meat hunter you set up at the location that gets the most traffic during the hours you want to hunt. If you are a horn hunter do the same but with antlers in mind. That is by far my greatest tool to date in harvesting deer.

Bawana, I wanted to use that myself but no one had set it up yet. I'm glad you did!

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qdmman

· #36 · Jan 7, 2015

Baiting, IMO, will not be banned for a couple reasons:

a) As long as the ODNR wants to reduce does. I don't care what anyone says...you put out corn right now you have very high odds to shoot a doe. Period. Works well for their management practice.

b) enforcement. No way it could be enforced. Can you imagine how many feeders are located in the hills of SE Ohio? I bet some of those deer eat as much corn as those deer in ag areas lol

c) economic impact. I have said this before but a lot of these small farm stores make their living off of deer corn. Not to mention the companies that make feeders would lose out as well.

The only way I see them banning baiting is if there is a wide spread disease.

qdmman

· #37 · Jan 7, 2015

crankNmiles said:
I would be curious how many people actually have killed a deer at a bait pile. I put out a ton of corn and honestly have never shot a deer at the corn pile. I might have 5 daytime pics of deer eating at the site.

Bait piles are a great way to harvest does. You need to reduce does on your property? Bait. Keep the pressure down on those bait sites and you will see and harvest does. Period. One of the many tools I use to whack does when I feel (not the odnr) a few need taken.

Bucks on the other hand...not so much. The only time I have ever seen bucks visit bait sites is during the rut either following a doe or scent checking for does. Bait sites are not very productive when mature buck hunting.

I also like to think, especially this time of year, it can't hurt to help them out when everything is froze and covered with snow. JMO of course.

Wildman18

· #38 · Jan 7, 2015 (Edited by Moderator)

Hunting the way you do is being an opportunist type hunter. Those things are beyond your control. Placing a food source to attract is a horse of a different color.

Cam's are fun for not only me but my youngest daughter (10) enjoys them even more than I do. Which helps bring her in the wood's. I use them more early and late season than during the season. I like to be surprised..

I will buy a bag of bird seed and mix it with corn. 3 bags of seed per bag of corn..

chass

· #39 · Jan 7, 2015

qdmman said:
Baiting, IMO, will not be banned for a couple reasons:

a) As long as the ODNR wants to reduce does. I don't care what anyone says...you put out corn right now you have very high odds to shoot a doe. Period. Works well for their management practice.

b) enforcement. No way it could be enforced. Can you imagine how many feeders are located in the hills of SE Ohio? I bet some of those deer eat as much corn as those deer in ag areas lol

c) economic impact. I have said this before but a lot of these small farm stores make their living off of deer corn. Not to mention the companies that make feeders would lose out as well.

The only way I see them banning baiting is if there is a wide spread disease.

I agree completely, I also see a lot of out of state complaints with pictures accompanying them of people that go into stores where it is illegal to bait in that state and they still have an enormous section of bait and baiting supplies. I can also attest to the fact that it would be next to impossible to enforce. They could use helicopters to find the ones in open fields but really, who is going to ok they into the budget. You would have to give absurd fines to make up for the cost of enforcement. Like I have said on other threads, every deer I have killed on my current property has had corn in it. The nearest corn field is close to ten miles away. I have a little more than 200 acres and most of the neighbors have the same if not more land. Where are these feeders that they are obviously feeding from? I have no clue at all, obviously somewhere on one of the neighboring properties.
The only issue I have with hunting over bait is the few areas where you can literally walk up to the bait pile while the deer are there. Or they walk out when you approach with food and you can feed them by hand. I would never be able to shoot deer that aren't afraid of humans.
Cams are the only way I can really discuss anything about hunting to the women other than the normal question when I come back in of "did you get one" and a "yes/no" answer in return. Pretty much so she knows whether she needs to go hide herself from seeing blood or not.

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crankNmiles

· #40 · Jan 7, 2015

Good point.

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