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What If November Changes Nothing?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ohio mossy oak, Sep 13, 2012.

  1. What If November Changes Nothing?

    What if the principal parties’ candidates for president really agree more than they disagree?

    What if they both support the authority of the federal government to spy on Americans without search warrants? What if they both support confining foreigners, uncharged and untried, in Guantanamo Bay? What if they both believe the president can arrest without charge and confine without trial any American he hates or fears?

    What if they both believe in secret courts – kept away from the public and the press – that can take away the rights of Americans? What if they both think the president can disregard the Constitution when it comes to the rights of those the government has confined to speedy trials, to confront witnesses and evidence against them, and to counsel of their choosing? What if they both believe the government can use evidence obtained under torture at trials in American courts? What if they both think the president can incarcerate those he once prosecuted, even after acquittal?

    What if both major presidential candidates believe they can fight any war, assassinate any foe or assault any country using the military or the CIA, and they need not ask Congress for a declaration of war as the Constitution requires, nor account to Congress or the public as the law requires? What if they both want American troops to remain in Afghanistan, even though no foreign country in history has successfully done so, and even though the culture in Afghanistan is as lawless, as vicious to women and children, and as harmless to America today as it was when President Bush invaded it in 2001?

    What if they both think this costly and fruitless war – the longest in American history – is somehow good for American freedom and security, even though most Americans do not? What if they both refuse to understand that the longer we are killing people in foreign lands who can cause us no real harm the more likely will people from those lands come here and bring us real harm?

    What if they both believe in adding to the government’s $16 trillion debt and letting future generations deal with paying it back? What if they both want to have the feds spend more money next year than the feds are spending this year? What if they both accept FDR- and LBJ-style entitlements, even though they are nowhere authorized by the Constitution and there are not enough present-day workers to tax in order to pay for them?

    What if President Obama wants to raise taxes by increasing some tax rates on the rich? What if Gov. Romney wants to raise taxes by eliminating some tax deductions available to the rich? What if raising taxes on anyone in a recession will cause higher unemployment?

    What if they both believe in borrowing newly printed money from the Federal Reserve in order to fund the government? What if Obama is of the view that the federal government can tell you how to live and keep you from becoming too rich? What if Romney wants to make the same federal government more effective and efficient at what it does?

    What if Obama is really a Marxist who rejects personal freedom, natural rights and private property? What if Romney is really an empty suit who doesn’t know or won’t say what he believes? What if Obama really wants all health care providers to work for the federal government? What if Romney spent the entire presidential primary season condemning Obamacare, only to say this past weekend that there are parts of it he really likes and will endeavor to retain?

    What if Obama wants federal bureaucrats to ration health care and decide who lives and who dies? What if Romney spent the entire presidential primary season running against conservative and libertarian opponents and arguing that only the free market or the states should address health care, but earlier this week accepted a major federal role in its management?

    What if Obama will have the feds tell you what doctor to see and tell the doctor what procedures to administer? What if Romney consistently blasted the concept that Congress can constitutionally force you to buy health care coverage you don’t want to buy, but now accepts the concept that Congress can constitutionally force insurance companies to sell you health care coverage they don’t want to sell?

    What if the system is fixed? What do we do about it?

    By Judge Andrew P. Napolitano
  2. WOW... Ater all that, What if I decide they both suck, and not vote?

  3. Deehntr56

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  4. Man o Man ! Siberia sounds better all the Time..
  5. This happens because the American people do not demand better candidates, and fail to educate themselves about them. They also have no understanding of the limits of federal government, because most Americans have not read the Constitution, and have no idea why we have the checks and balances built into our framework. They probably don't care either.

    I'm convinced Americans would rather vote for a dictator that suits their own wants, rather than take part in a representative constitutional republic.

    Case in point on the "cult" of the all powerful President:
    Your local Sheriff is the most important elected official that directly affects you, and most people don't even know his name.

    One last thing, and most important- Romans 13. If this biblical understanding on submission to authority, and that there is no power except from God; wouldn't you want to elect leaders who know the gravity of their position, and understand where their authority actually comes from? Doesn't anyone on here want to be that guy?
  6. There's always Gary Johnson, but you've probably never heard of him.

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  7. That was the point of the article,they BOTH do suck..And I wouldnt blame ya for not voting if you dont want to..
  8. The article was just a string of negative "what ifs" and proves nothing other than the paranoia of the author.

    I understand that there are people in the world that will always fear bad things happening and I'm sad for them. They miss out on all the wonderful things that happen in life including the many positive features of our form of government.

    I'm also reminded of FDR's first inaugural address: "Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself".
  9. Democracy for us citizens of these United States provides privileges and obligations, two of which are both fundamental and the same: to serve on a jury and to vote. Voting is what allows each of us to participate equally.
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  10. Did anyone notice the name of the author? another Nopatatoe, likely related to Janet, Homeland Security! I wonder if she ordered the ammunition withheld from the Marines protecting our embassies?
  11. Dear Mr. Dan Quayle,

    My people tell me that there is still no "e" on the end of "potato!" I just don't understand how former presidents like yourself continue to make such simple misstakes.

    Yours in Vice,
    Joe Biden
  12. Then we can write in a candidate or vote 3rd party..You said vote right?
    ZERO relation..Do some research next time......

    The group we backed to overthrow Gadhfi in Libya is the same group who bombed the embassy..Sounds familiar??...The same group who flew planes into WTC towers 1 an 2,is the same group who received training from the CIA, which was backing the Afghan holy warriors – (the mujahedeen) we built up an supported in the 70s into the 80s to fight USSR....
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  13. I sure did; use it or lose it...maybe forever.

    Politics make strange bedfellows indeed. It's been like that for centuries and will remain so long after we are both gone from this forum.

    In fact, the computer you use to post on this forum likely was made in a country whose military our country fought in WWII and is now one of our strongest military, economic, geographic and political allies. Likewise, the light fixture over your head was probably made by a country that was once one of our most ardent military allies in WWII, then turned against us in Korea and Viet Nam, but still we sell them bonds by the billions. And don't even get me started on Germany, France, Spain or Great Britain. So, why would other countries or groups be any different?
  14. We are talking short term..Its only been months since we backed this group to overthrow Gadhafi.And now the same group has bombed a embassy an killed people.....The US gubmint has have spent over 1 trillion dollars since 9-11 pursuing them in Afghan,Pakistan and Yemen,Iraq(which was SUPPOSED to be a safe haven for them,later was found no Al-qaeda)..That ended up being false..If Al-Q is our sworn enemy, why are we supporting them(Which O has even admitted) as part of the Syrian opposition?Just as we did in the Libyan uprising(hmm)?........Anywho lets get back to topic-ish:biggrin:
  15. Regardless of the time component, days, weeks, months or years, the result is still the same: no good deed goes unpunished. Does that mean the U.S. strategy against terrorism will change? Not likely. Does it mean the U.S. tactics against terrorism will change? Possibly.

    Like I said above, politics make strange bedfellows. Or, if you’re into Arabian Proverbs, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
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  16. Do you know something that no one else knows? Out of the millions of people in that area... are you sure that it's the same people or do you just lump all Lybians as "this group"? You did see the counter protests declaring that not all Lybians hate the US, didn't you?

    Talk to Dubya and Cheney about most of this expense. Better yet, ask those now giving advice to Romney who originally came up with Bush's foreign policy.

    Would you please offer some proof to support your position that we are supporting Al-Q, specifically? I haven't seen any such reports.
  17. I noticed that on the home page your source proclaims the untruth of President Obama's book "Dreams from my father" and then goes on to use quotes from the book to prove how other absurd ideas show how bad he is. Can you really have it both ways?

    BTW: inclusion in the USLofC is sometimes so that it can be used as a bad example... like the writings of the Klan.