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Useless drivel, from CNN... who would have guessed. The problem with the killings is not the guns nor laws its the sick culture we in America now have. Started to go downhill fast when moms went to work. Each generation is more barbaric than the last. Kids need to be raised not left to do their own thing. Hollywood and video games did their part as well. In the hood its poverty and lack of opportunity on top of no adult role models. Recipe for a mess which is what we have now in this country. No laws will save us now!
 

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CNN and all the other media whack jobs can't compare America with other countries. Thank god we have a constitution and a second amendment. Other countries have their own problems. You can't believe what most of the media puts out there and social media is destroying our kids and our culture. "Entitlement" has replaced "working hard" and making something of yourself.

Mike hit many points on why we are in the situation we are today, but political infighting is also a major issue.
 
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The facts remain that other similar countries with more restrictions on gun ownership are not seeing anywhere near the numbers of mass shootings we see in America. You can believe the CNN report or not, but if shootings continue, the public will demand more gun control and will eventually get it. The Second Amendment is great, be we also have to respect the right to life and safety.
 

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How long has it been illegal to rob banks? How long has it been illegal to drive drunk? How long has it been illegal to sell illegal drugs? How long has it been illegal to murder people with guns or anything else for that matter?

Laws against these crimes have been on the books for more years than most of us have been alive yet they are broken daily. Why does anyone think that more gun control laws would stop any shootings? Taking the guns out of the hands of We the People would probably increase shootings & make us more vulnerable .

Maybe the powers that be should concentrate more on enforcing the laws already on the books, keeping criminals in prison instead of turning them loose to commit more crimes, refund & support the police, make schools more safe by having officers stationed there, securing all school doors from unauthorized entry, & other things that would not restrict law biding citizens.

Criminals will be criminals. They don't obey existing laws & will not obey new laws. The only people that will are law biding citizens.
 

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The facts remain that other similar countries with more restrictions on gun ownership are not seeing anywhere near the numbers of mass shootings we see in America. You can believe the CNN report or not, but if shootings continue, the public will demand more gun control and will eventually get it. The Second Amendment is great, be we also have to respect the right to life and safety.
Wrong. Don't hold your breath!
 
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The facts remain that other similar countries with more restrictions on gun ownership are not seeing anywhere near the numbers of mass shootings we see in America.
I agree with the brainiac that is attributed to the saying, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

I would like to read what you describe as "[t]he facts..." and also to which "similar countries" are you referring.

...if shootings continue, the public will demand more gun control and will eventually get it. The Second Amendment is great, be we also have to respect the right to life and safety.
Another quote I like is attributed to Benjamin Franklin. It goes, “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” I wish I could come up with stuff like that. More so, I wish I could convince our people to believe it.
 

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If our laws don't work then let's fix it.
And therein lies the rub. If the laws aren't enforced, then prosecuted, it basically means we have no laws. When LEOs are told what laws not to enforce & prosecutors don't prosecute the laws that arrests are made for, the whole system collapse. Add to that the low/no bail, prosecutors allowing criminals to go on probation rather than jail time, the criminals will no longer fear getting caught.

A prime example, biden's son falsified his Form 4473 to purchase a handgun which he then threw away in a trash can. No charges were ever filed. And here's what daddy had to say about enforcing a federal firearms law:

"Jim Baker, the NRA representative present at the meeting, recalled the vice president’s (biden) words during an interview with The Daily Caller: “And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.”

In 2010, prosecutors considered just 22 cases of information falsification, according to a 2012 report to the Department of Justice by the Regional Justice Information Service. Forty additional background-check cases ended up before
prosecutors for reasons related to unlawful gun possession.

In all, prosecutors pursued just 44 of those 62 cases. More than 72,600 applications were denied on the basis of a background check."


If biden wouldn't even prosecute the laws already on the books, why should anyone expect to believe that more laws/bans would be prosecuted. And hiden biden's son gets away with falsifying Form4473.



“On July 9, 1985, during debate over the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA), Senate Judiciary Committee member Joe Biden (D-DE) sided with the NRA and argued criminals can get guns “with or without gun control.”
 

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And therein lies the rub. If the laws aren't enforced, then prosecuted, it basically means we have no laws. When LEOs are told what laws not to enforce & prosecutors don't prosecute the laws that arrests are made for, the whole system collapse. Add to that the low/no bail, prosecutors allowing criminals to go on probation rather than jail time, the criminals will no longer fear getting caught.

A prime example, biden's son falsified his Form 4473 to purchase a handgun which he then threw away in a trash can. No charges were ever filed. And here's what daddy had to say about enforcing a federal firearms law:

"Jim Baker, the NRA representative present at the meeting, recalled the vice president’s (biden) words during an interview with The Daily Caller: “And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.”

In 2010, prosecutors considered just 22 cases of information falsification, according to a 2012 report to the Department of Justice by the Regional Justice Information Service. Forty additional background-check cases ended up before
prosecutors for reasons related to unlawful gun possession.

In all, prosecutors pursued just 44 of those 62 cases. More than 72,600 applications were denied on the basis of a background check."


If biden wouldn't even prosecute the laws already on the books, why should anyone expect to believe that more laws/bans would be prosecuted. And hiden biden's son gets away with falsifying Form4473.



“On July 9, 1985, during debate over the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA), Senate Judiciary Committee member Joe Biden (D-DE) sided with the NRA and argued criminals can get guns “with or without gun control.”
It is important to find fault with these weak laws and weak enforcement. That's how we chart a path forward. Ya know... growing up in our house there was a guy known as "Can't" that died in the poor house. Of course we can.
 
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