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http://www.answers.com/topic/suspension-trauma

PLEASE GO TO THE ABOVE THREAD AND READ ABOUT SUSPENSION TRAUMA - A PERSON HANGING IN A SAFETY HARNESS CAN BECOME UNSCONSIOUS IN AS LITTLE AS 6 MINUTES WITH DEATH FOLLOWING

I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS SUBJECT ON HUNTING FOURMS AND FEEL THAT I SHOULD BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION

A SAFETY HARNESS IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR HUNTING OUT OF A TREE STAND BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE A PLAN AND SYSTEM TO GET BACK TO THE GROUND AFTER THE FALL...... ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT USE CLIMBING STANDS AND DO NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF STEPS ATTACHED TO THE TREE

PLEASE BE SAFE OUT THERE

take care
geezer
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Where I work we have to wear a harness every now and then. All of our harness have a Miller Relief Step on them. The Relief Step takes the pressure off you thighs to eliminate suspension trauma. I have one on my vest at home.
http://www.millerfallprotection.com/fall-protection-products/accessories/relief-step-safety-device
"In normal life, this problem does not occur because when we walk our veins naturally move blood back out of our legs, but when movement is restricted and we are stuck standing still we naturally faint to recover. Ordinarily, falling to the ground after fainting, would have the effect of raising the legs relative to the heart, and consciousness would soon return."

This article is a bunch of horse ****!!!!!!!!!! Nothing against you geezer at all, but the information is one sided and has little if any medical information backing it. If thats the case most people would faint while driving, most people would fainting while riding in any vehicle. Besides who is gongi to jsut hang there for an hour. Wouldnt most people jsut pull themselves back up into their stand? For example, parachuters hang in the same fasion while falling from the sky for well over 6 minutes. Why dont they pass out??? Again this is not an attack to you geezer, just wanted to add a little insight on this topic from a medical stand point. Another example, paraplegics or quadraplegics do not move their afficted appendeges. Why dont they faint??? Granted there are risks of sitting in one position and not moving for a long time. Such as DVTs, otherwise known as deep vein thromboses. This is basicly a blood clot that is caused from lack of movement and blood pooling in veins because it isnt being adequately circulated. People on trips in vehicles that last for 4 or more hours without getting up are at risk. Truck drivers are commonly diagnosed with DVTs due to the duration of sitting in the same seat for such long periods of time. A lot of times resulting in a PE or a pulmonary embolus, or a blood clot in the lung. Again this is over long periods of time, not 6 minutes liek this article claims. Ever wake up and your foot, leg, or arm is asleep? Ya, thats a result of lack of perfusion of blood to that depicted area. The time it takes that to occur is probably around 6 minutes, people don't die from that. If you have not caught the point of my rambling it is this, DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ UNLESS IT HAS A CREDIBLE SOURCE BACKING IT!!!!!!
I've personally seen, on more than one occasion, someone faint while standing at attention in formation (military). So, YES, it can and DOES happen.
I didn't want to go through all pages but a good way to keep from suspension trama is to have a lanyard attached from the d ring on the back to a secure belt on the hip. If you fall put your boot on the lanyard to relieve tension from the pressure on your inner thighs. I learned this building power plants. It really helps a lot.
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I believe the 6 minutes comes into . play with a waste safety belt as it tips you over and suffacates you, with the leg strap type it would take much longer .My sons wife works for Georgia Tech and Osha she showed us the tapes and out come of ST.Either way it is something we all should beaware of and have a plan or stay on the ground.BB
Guys- in all reality theres a need for everyone to know how to and use Prusik knots. My harness is tied by two prusik knots to a main rope that is attached to the tree and goes all the way to the ground.

The prusik knot is a friction knot that can be manipulated up and down the main line by relieving pressure on it. If I were to fall, I would be able to let line thru the bottom knot then controllably let it thru the top knot and work my way safely and controllably down the line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prusik_knot
Why not just use a blake hitch or taut line? Large companies like Davey Tree and Asplund have ruled the prusik as a climbing knot , and not to be used for desending. It has a tendency to come lose and roll. The taut line will slightly roll, but can be tightened easy. The blake is the best of all. It doesn't roll and can easily be manuevered up or down. P.S. I work for Davey Tree. I'm in the CGM division now, but did trees 6 of the past 8 years.
I thought I'd bump this thread since a spam poster brought it to my attention.

Be safe out there, be alert and use common sense. Have a plan.
The most important part of the hunt is you not becoming a statistic!
Geezer, did you see that I said this is not an attack on you?? I was just saying this isnt a 100% true. I was adding to it and making it known that this is not 100% on the road to the truth. Focus on what I say then think about it before you get defensive on me. Yes hanging suspended for a long time would be imparitive on circulation, but not 6 minutes like the article states. Every person's body circulates blood a little differently. Many different factors play a role in adequate circulation and perfusion. Just to name a few: plaque build up, anatomical anomolies, arteriole sclerosis, vascular removal for people who have had major artery transplants.
As far as my credible source, I am my credible source considering I work in a hospital, I am a respiratory therapist. I deal with cardiopulmonary situations on a daily bases, DVTs and PEs are part of my daily pt. management. Also I consulted two physicians on the article before I posted my reply. Syncopy from hanging for six minutes is just not medicaly sound. Perhaps if you were haning with a rope around your neck. I am not arguing, simply stating the facts from a medical stand point. You sir, take it for what I intended; that being to inform you of the facts so you know full understanding so people do not go around speaking of information that is not 100% factual.
I tried it once it doesn't work. the problem was while standing on one step and squatting down, your arms don't have the reach to screw the step in much lower that the one you are on. It's very difficult to do and you'll only make it 6 inches at most at time. The better idea would be to screw them both in and try to get back in your stand.

Also If you fall from your stand and you harness catches you where you cant reach your stand you just had a 9 foot fall (from the platform of your stand being 3 feet above your head) .... and if you are using a 9 foot tether something is wrong. your harness should be placed high enough that you can just sit down and step to the end of your stand while standing sideways. at this distance if you fall the stand will be at your knees or waist level.


Geezer, did you see that I said this is not an attack on you?? I was just saying this isnt a 100% true. I was adding to it and making it known that this is not 100% on the road to the truth. Focus on what I say then think about it before you get defensive on me. Yes hanging suspended for a long time would be imparitive on circulation, but not 6 minutes like the article states. Every person's body circulates blood a little differently. Many different factors play a role in adequate circulation and perfusion. Just to name a few: plaque build up, anatomical anomolies, arteriole sclerosis, vascular removal for people who have had major artery transplants.
As far as my credible source, I am my credible source considering I work in a hospital, I am a respiratory therapist. I deal with cardiopulmonary situations on a daily bases, DVTs and PEs are part of my daily pt. management. Also I consulted two physicians on the article before I posted my reply. Syncopy from hanging for six minutes is just not medicaly sound. Perhaps if you were haning with a rope around your neck. I am not arguing, simply stating the facts from a medical stand point. You sir, take it for what I intended; that being to inform you of the facts so you know full understanding so people do not go around speaking of information that is not 100% factual.

I tried it once it doesn't work. the problem was while standing on one step and squatting down, your arms don't have the reach to screw the step in much lower that the one you are on. It's very difficult to do and you'll only make it 6 inches at most at time. The better idea would be to screw them both in and try to get back in your stand.

Read more: http://www.ohiosportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23839#ixzz13pXgQikc
Scent blocker makes a new product called a livewire. It will attach to the back of any harness and will slowly lower you to the ground after a fall. Looks like a great product.
Suspension trauma (also known as “harness‐induced pathology” or “orthostatic shock while suspended”) is the development of presyncopal symptoms and loss of consciousness if the human body is held motionless in a vertical position for a period of time. It has been described in experiments of personal fall protection, and has been implicated in causes of death in mountaineering accidents, but it seems neither to be widely known about nor to have been presented to the medical profession. This article highlights the potential existence of suspension trauma and suggests that more robust medical research using modern harnesses and healthy volunteers would be beneficial to assess whether this is purely a theoretical risk.


Suspension trauma (Syn. "orthostatic shock while suspended")[1], also known as harness hang syndrome (HHS), or orthostatic incompetence is an effect which occurs when the human body is held upright without any movement for a period of time. If the person is strapped into a harness or tied to an upright object they will eventually suffer the Central Ischaemic Response (commonly known as fainting). If one faints but remains vertical, one risks death due to one's brain not receiving the oxygen it requires. People at risk of suspension trauma include people using industrial harnesses (fall arrest systems, abseiling systems, confined space systems), people using harnesses for sporting purposes (caving, climbing, parachuting, etc), stunt performers, circus performers, and so on.
Medical Suspension Shock is a less well documented form of Suspension trauma affecting healthcare patients in theraputic baths and hospital beds, safety seats, support and suspension frames, slings, and swings, which prevent falling (recumbination) despite fainting. (Phlebotomy Today Feb. 2012)
In a 2006 article on the Crucifixion of Jesus, Phillip Bishop and physiologist Brian Church suggest that suspension trauma is a cause of death in crucifixion.
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not sure if i mentioned this in this thread but i have on here before...i have had my stand come unhooked at least twice...and was dangling from my feet by the foot bungy...both times i never paniced...the strap was in use as i decinded in both cases...i keep the safety harness as taunt as i can as i decind...i also keep a very secure grip on the seat(hand climber)in my minds eye this is also very important when decinding...if i wanted i could actually climb up and sit on the hand climber to think out the situation...i also believe one could use the han d climber as a base and hug the tree to come down as we did in the old days...the baker i used to have was bout the size of my seat on my modern climber...to do this all one needs would be an xtra bungy to secure your feet to the seat...but in both of my situations i was easially able to wrap my legs around the tree and shinny down the tree...after unfasting the security rope from the harness...i even unhooked the seat and lowered it to the ground by the cable only dropping it about 5 ft...after safely on the ground i did go back up the tree to get my safety strap still hooked to the tree...of course i made sure the lil brackets were covering the opening that held the cables to my stand...if you use a summit be sure those latches are closed at all times...they can be knocked open as you climb by small branches or leaves...you got to continuously check them on the seat and the base...i'd like to see summit change how the cables attach to the stand and seat...its a wierd feeling having your stand hanging from your feet over 15'from the ground in the dark...a ground you can hardly see...thanks to a tight grip on the seat,i never felt the sudden jolt when the safety rope done its thang...it simply was the backup in my situations...remember when you climb or decind there will be a period when the safety rope will be slack...its very easy to adjust the knot on the rope while going up or down a tree...it slides very easily...i prefer the rope to strap...i believe its stronger to...mine has no plastic or thread...the hook is solid steel...yes it can be noisy but it will not fail...as for the advice you here on how long you can survive it simply comes down to which doctor or expert you believe...i prefer to take geezers information...it could be 6 min. or 60...according to how the fall happened...:biggrin:
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Allways carry a tension relief strap with you. You wrap it around the tree step into the loop and step up. It will relieve all tension on your leg arteries and allow you to climb if you to make it.back to.your stand.
Cabela's now has the HSS Ultra-Lite safety harnesses on sale $39.99 (last week was $69.99)
Cabela's now has the HSS Ultra-Lite safety harnesses on sale $39.99 (last week was $69.99)
what cabelas? online or in store?
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