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PLEASE GO TO THE ABOVE THREAD AND READ ABOUT SUSPENSION TRAUMA - A PERSON HANGING IN A SAFETY HARNESS CAN BECOME UNSCONSIOUS IN AS LITTLE AS 6 MINUTES WITH DEATH FOLLOWING

I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS SUBJECT ON HUNTING FOURMS AND FEEL THAT I SHOULD BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION

A SAFETY HARNESS IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR HUNTING OUT OF A TREE STAND BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE A PLAN AND SYSTEM TO GET BACK TO THE GROUND AFTER THE FALL...... ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT USE CLIMBING STANDS AND DO NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF STEPS ATTACHED TO THE TREE

PLEASE BE SAFE OUT THERE

take care
geezer
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How are people loosing the base of there climbers. Im using a summit and have never had a problem(yet). That would be a drag if it did.
That was many moons ago...where we didn't have them attached.

My Summit Backpacker is tied to the top portion of the climber so it can't fall that far, which again, if you do watch the video and read the instructions they do tell you to use the rope for that purpose!!!:biggrin: :biggrin:
There are a lot of different vest out there and they do vary in price. I checked several of them out and it looks like most of them now a days are designed to "help" protect you from Suspension Trauma. This is one item that personally I would stay away from the cheapest one's.

I read several post above where people talk about losing the base to their climbers. This happened to me once. Now I strap them together before I start climbing. Amazing what I learn when I watch the video that comes with the stand. ;)
when i mentioned losing my base i meant it came unhooked from the tree...i was decending an hangin on to the climber top after the base strap came unfastened from the tree...it was takin to much effort to git it back on the tree an i was afraid of tiring so i kicked it free from my ft...untied it from the top pc. an let it drop to the groun...at this point i still have on the belt which was offerin some support but mostly i was still hunkered on the top section with my arms...not too bad ahape i was stable...at first i thought i would pull myself up on the seat then i decided to unhook muhself since the snap was within reach...had it not been in reach this is where the knife would have come into play...i already had muh legs aroun the tree...it was easy to grab the tree with my arms,shinny down bringing the top pc. back down...the rope remained up there...soon as i got to the gron i hooked back up went up an got muh rope...:Di do tie muh top part to the bottom...duhhh but it aint helpin when the strap comes off the tree...an i shore ain hangin up there to suffocate if i can climb down...
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yeah it's crazy how hanging only 10 minutes or less with a full harness on will cause a person to pass out and die soon after. that's a position you don't wanna be in specially hunting alone
Excellent post!

This is exactly what geezer has been saying for two years... He also pointed out that a strap and/or strap and rope fall arrest can suffocate you, which is essentially hanging yourself. This can happen very easily if you wear a strap or rope around your chest/waist; worn under your arms may not suffocate you but it will sure as heck hurt.

You always need an escape/emergency plan when you climb, so why not make it safer and more comfortable if you do slip off your steps or heaven forbid...out of your stand. Spend the money is the lesson...with the current economy, I'm worth as much alive as I am dead...:D

I thought this link should be a sticky...thanks Phil.
Charlie - you in charge now uhm passin the torch ta ya - i quit preachin on dis - ya can lead a horse ta water but ya can make him shrink :mischeif:
Could you attach Geezers post to this one, kinda make it more well rounded. Just a thought.
This is one area where being a nervous climber (i.e. I don't like heights) pays off. I am positively anal about always having my harness on and strapping the top and bottom of the climber together.

On my first trip with a climber (a Hunters View) I left the connector rope between the top and bottom too long and the base dropped. I was able to pull it back up (and was honestly only about 8 feet up) but it reminded me why it was there.

I almost fell three years ago using my Summit Bullet Backpacker. I picked a bad tree (narrowed a lot, shaggy bark) and when about halfway up, while climbing the top of the climber "slipped" about 6 inches and I went backward over the rail. Since I had the safety harness on, I hung there with my knees on the rail wondering what the heck I was gonna do next. I pulled myself back using the harness rope and got back into a good position. I hunted at that level the rest of the AM. I keep a sharp knife where i can reach it in case I need to cut myself loose.

My buddy (I don't climb alone) was about 250 yards away and wondered what ll the noise was, since a 6 pointer was stopped and looking my way... Apparently it must've sounded like bucks fighting.
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Could you attach Geezers post to this one, kinda make it more well rounded. Just a thought.
TTT!
Bowsite recently showed a video of safety harness tests. They tested the Hunter Safety System vest/ harness against the Seat O' the Pants harness. The SOP won hands down. The HSS vest /harness caused great pain to the guy testing it when he fell verses the SOP which allowed the guy to remain comfortable. My SOP harness saved my butt last year when it prevented me from rolling off of my stand backwards at a height of 20 feet!
I don't hunt from stands but used to and am lacking the info on the harnesses. So it's good that you all are discussing this so I can pas along the info especially to my Son and his buddies. Thanks. It may save someone life.
Here is a link to the seat of the pants harness which I never new existed.

http://www.summitstands.com/catalog.aspx?catid=treestandharnessesharnessaccessories
if yuh allow to much slack in the rope i doan care which one yuh wearin it hurts...now tighten that rope up to where you will drop less after a fall...the rope i use by seat o pans i sinch all way to tree an have the line taunt...i have tested myself at groun distance...an unbiased test,i doan trust anythang a certain site sez......an the shorter drop is much more comfy than the longer drop ...its hurts man...be nice to have a shock absorber...i ain doin it again...:D
Thanks for this thread, excellent info as a first year user for the HSS vest.
if yuh allow to much slack in the rope i doan care which one yuh wearin it hurts...now tighten that rope up to where you will drop less after a fall...the rope i use by seat o pans i sinch all way to tree an have the line taunt...i have tested myself at groun distance...an unbiased test,i doan trust anythang a certain site sez......an the shorter drop is much more comfy than the longer drop ...its hurts man...be nice to have a shock absorber...i ain doin it again...:D
Some teather straps have a series of loops stiched in them to act as a tear - away shock absorber - in a fall the loops are released in series to cushion the fall - kinda works like a parachute rig does in cushioning the initial shock - :mischeif:
Some teather straps have a series of loops stiched in them to act as a tear - away shock absorber - in a fall the loops are released in series to cushion the fall - kinda works like a parachute rig does in cushioning the initial shock - :mischeif:
doan know if i seen that thar ...i do know wunna the vest i looked at was very high priced...very high,maybe it incorporated this shock absorber...:D
Guys- in all reality theres a need for everyone to know how to and use Prusik knots. My harness is tied by two prusik knots to a main rope that is attached to the tree and goes all the way to the ground.

The prusik knot is a friction knot that can be manipulated up and down the main line by relieving pressure on it. If I were to fall, I would be able to let line thru the bottom knot then controllably let it thru the top knot and work my way safely and controllably down the line. Cutting harness's and other "well thought out" plans a lot of times fail in real life.

Think about it--your really gonna grab the tree with your legs, and with one arm reach up and cut nylon webbing? All the while keep from falling? not to mention keeping the knife from injuring you in the process?

Get with a local fire dept or a local climber and learn about this technique. Its inexpensive, effective and makes a lot of sense .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prusik_knot
I wear the HSS vest, carry a folding screw in step in one pocket of it, and carry a folding pocket knife in the other pocket, I hope in the event of a fall I can hang there, compose myself for a minute, screw in the step as low as I can, step on it, then cut the teather after i have figured out how to get down. That is my plan, hope it works. All I know is I fell 20+ ft in '07 and I do not want to do that again!
i hunt from a safty harness, the trophyline tree saddle. cant fall because im already dangling from the tree like an acrobat:biggrin: . the life line with the prusick knot or the rope grab is safest.
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I have a Muddy Outdoors safty harness that I really like has any one else used one of these?
I just purchased an HSS pro series vest. I have used it 3 times now & love it. Like Blackbeard said I carry a folding screw in step in the pocket of it. It also comes with a foot strap that clips to the back of it so you can stand in the loop of the strap. They may be expensive but so are treestands & how many of those does everyone own. The HSS vests are dated for 5 years use. The pro series vest was 129.99. over 5 years that's a little over 25.00 per year. If you think of it that way it sounds like some cheap insurance that your family will see you walk in the door at the end of the day. Hopefully with some stories to tell them.
I just have one question guys..How long are you tether straps? I mean if you install them at shoulder height around the tree (like it says to do) Then it shouldn't be a problem. A fall would result in the stand being right above your knees.. and at worse if your strap was lower, then at waist level... To fall to a level placing the stand out of reach would take almost a 12 foot tether. (4 above the stand and 8 below).Even if the stand broke your steps should only be right around the tree at worse and hopefully not jammed in your back.


Not that it matters I do it wrong myself... When i get in the tree I screw in a step about shoulder high on the right side (facing the tree)I put the strap around the tree loose with slack but above that step, and angle it down to the left... I do this so my tether doesn't get in the way on far right hand shots when i need to draw off that side.. If I fall the step will keep the strap from sliding down the tree..
reaching the stand

Sometimes out of reach can be just because your tether spun you to the opposite side of the tree and your back is towards the tree. Hopefully I'll never have to really test this stuff.
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