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Logging Plans for Wayne National Forest

Discussion in 'Front Page News' started by DargDog, Jan 21, 2003.


    Logging to return in Wayne National Forest
    Associated Press

    COLUMBUS, Ohio - The U.S. Forest Service is allowing substantial logging to resume in the Wayne National Forest for the first time in eight years.

    The forest service decided in December that cutting down the trees would not harm a colony of endangered bats.

    "We feel it's long overdue," Karl Gebhardt, a lobbyist for the Ohio Forestry Association, said of the decision. "Making these selective cuts represents proper management of the forest," which covers nearly 233,000 acres in the Appalachian foothills of southeastern Ohio.

    Legal challenges have delayed plans to cut two 100-year-old stands of oak and hickory in Lawrence County. All logging in the forest was suspended in 1997 after endangered Indiana bats were discovered near one of the sites.

    Forest service officials said sales of wood cut from the stands will benefit the forest by opening up the tree canopy and promoting the growth of younger trees.

    About 20 percent of the trees on the 300 acres affected by the decision will be cut.

    Loggers will pay about $128,000 for the timber. The government has paid them about $24,000 for interest and equipment time lost while the sales were delayed.

    Working with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, forest biologists restricted the size and types of trees to be cut down.

    Forest service records indicate that about 90 percent of the trees marked to be cut in the mid-1990s have died. Most of the rest are split or have broken tops. Those types of trees are favored roosting sites for Indiana bats, an endangered species that wasn't found in sizable numbers in Ohio until the 1990s.

    The bats nurse their young during the summer in large trees with loose or peeling bark, including those favored by loggers. Discovery of the bats has helped environmental activists delay logging in national forests from Missouri to New York.

    The forest service is under pressure from timber interests and business leaders in southeast Ohio to allow more timber sales.

    Supporters of logging say national forests were created in part to provide a steady supply of timber. Some biologists also think that logging can benefit forests by culling older trees and promoting a diverse mix of younger species.

    Environmentalists are urging the forest service to ban all commercial logging. They want public lands preserved for wildlife and recreation, which they say provide more jobs and money than logging.

    "It doesn't make sense that they would run off to do these sales while they are developing a plan for the entire forest," said Fred Gittes, a Columbus attorney who represents the Sierra Club and the Buckeye Forest Council, groups opposed to logging.

    Information from: The Columbus Dispatch
  2. So guys do you think this hurts or helps the forest? I am under the assumption that loging to a degree is needed to support most wildlife, as it opens up areas of forage and rids the forest of some old growth.

  3. I think it is a good thing

    With all big mature stands of timber in WNF this will create good mix of habitate I think its missing.
    Will this help upland habitate in the wayne in the future?
  4. I think it is a good thing to do. If done right it will open lots of areas for wildlife, but if done wrong will destroy more than help.
  5. Lance

    Lance Super Mod Mod

  6. gezzzzzz nobody does their homework anymore...

    If anyone has the time look up the original draft of this logging plan... it was to decimate over 50,000 acres of old growth forest which compromises a tad over 20% of all land holdings!!!
    Still think it is a good deal???
    Before it is all said and done they will try to harvest all the lumber they can untill it is all gone. This is what they do :(
    In the words of those that came before us
    They have faught this war before so when they really want to harvest say 500 acres their plan call for 50,000 acres knowing that at some point it will dwindle down to their real target number of 500 :mad:

    Ask any timber agent what is really good for the forest and it is select cutting not out and out taking of every mature tree... The only reason they are doing a select cut this time is because of the "BATS"
  7. I can't comment on the Wayne National personally as I have never been there. However, it sounds very similar to it's Indiana counterpart, The Hoosier National, a mostly mature forest. Most woodland biologists would agree that a mixture of forest growth, early thru late, will provide habitat for considerably more wildlife and plantlife than a late growth forest. One of the reasons I posted this link was the fact that it was provided by the Ruffed Grouse Society, a great conservation group.

    Some environmental groups have been pretty sucessful in postponing or preventing logging activities in the recent past. They are the same groups that have hampered efforts to clean many of the forests out west of the brush and other fire-fuels in recent years. That should be a concern here in the Midwest as well; we certainly see our share of droughts and lightning strikes.
  8. Sorry my friend it is not the old growth trees that worry fire rangers but the thick dry under brush that kindles the fires to burn faster, hotter and spread more quickly. That is what they work on removing every single year along with small burns that can help control the spread of future fires creating small buffer zones that once a fire reaches these areas will run out of fuel and have no where to go but OUT ;)
  9. And remember where some of that dry underbrush comes from; dead limbs from mature trees and dying understory.

    My comment was actually directed at the anti-logging groups that fight even the clearing of underbrush. I know the Hoosier has a tract of land destroyed by a tornado that needs to be cleared and the anti-loggers are even fighting that plan.

    I am in the process of reading the Forest Plan and revisions and will comment more then.

    For others with an interest in the Wayne Forest, here's a link:
  10. opps misundestood you :eek:

    I have an online buddy from Hoosier National Forest named Don Goins... owns a gun range around there somewhere :D
  11. Lance

    Lance Super Mod Mod


    I don't see a problem with taking out 20% of the growth spread out over a few years. It's not going to happen all in one year and it's long overdue. If anything I regret that it's not a full clear cut. I'm sure your aware that the oak forests regenerate best when the forest floor is completely opened up to the sunlight. Much of southern Ohio could stand to see a little more timber harvest. As long as they don't leave all of the tops everywhere I don't have a problem. I would like to think that they would manage it inteligently.
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2003
  12. CritterGitter

    CritterGitter Staff Member Super Mod Mod

    I am no expert on the subject of logging and forrest management but I did study it a little bit in college. Seems to me that the plan that is in place would benefit the forrest and it would certainly be better than our government paying the loggers for lost sales and such. I have also seen where loggers often take a bit more than what was bargained for, but I don't think they would go rampant through the Wayne in this day and age especially with the USFWS over seeing much of it. Also, I hope they clean it up, logged forrest with tops and debris all over the place is not ideal forrest for wildlife, fire prevention or anything overly positive! Thats how I feel about it. This was a good post!!!!!!!
  13. atrkyhntr,

    No problem, I do that all the time myself. ;) Still trying to sift through all the forest plan info- quite a bit of reading. I've been trying to compare the plans of both the Wayne and Hoosier. WNF certainly has a better website than the HNF.

    I don't know Don personally but I've been to his website a while back. I actually live about 1.5 hours from any of the HNF lands.
  14. Selected Cutting Only

    It's ok to timber as long as it is done in a correct manner, I believe they should do a selected cutting only, weed out trees in the stands to allow some of the other trees to grow and leave some for them to increase in size and practice this for years to come to ensure that the habitat stays as it always has been mostly forest. Also get rid all this big logging equipment they use today and go back to the old way with horses and mules to cut down on the devastation that the man made machines cause to the terrain and eco system itself.
  15. I can see where you guys are stuck on the original post for this topic... What I am telling you is that they intended to take out every tree in that 300 acres, not do a select cut. The only reason they will do a select cut now is because the courts told them hat is all they are allowed to do...
    ------------------------> GET IT NOW ??? <----------------------

    No there is nothing wrong when selective harvest are done to our forest, say that again, "OUR FOREST", its when they wish to take every tree off and simply re-plant grass fields which is all that is required since 1972 after logging or mining an area. Federal mandate BS :mad:
    So yea we're happy about a select cut but without the intervention of environmentalists...
  16. Lance

    Lance Super Mod Mod

    I missed that , it's a 300 acre clear cut? Selective cuts are best for a sustained harvest but I beleive a clearcut will do more for diversity and regenerating oaks. AMEN!
  17. Forest Management

    Leave forest management to professonal foresters who have been trained in multiple use planning and everyone will benefit!
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