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Gun-Control Companion Bill INTRODUCED in Ohio Senate!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Wildlife, Apr 14, 2018.

  1. April 11, 2018

    Things just went from bad to worse.

    But first some good news.

    Last night, lame duck Speaker of the House Cliff Rosenberger announce that, due to an FBI corruption investigation into his tenure as Speaker, he would be stepping down effective May 1, 2018.

    Speaker Rosenberg was one of two major driving forces behind the machine to ram through Governor Kasich’s gun-control agenda.

    However, not stepping down until May 1st gives Speaker Rosenberger even MORE incentive to ram through this gun-control while he’s still in power!

    That’s why we’re not letting up – not one little bit.

    Yesterday at 2pm, turncoat Representative Mike Henne (R-Clayton) introduced Governor Kasich’s gun-control omnibus bill, HB585, to the House Stand and Local Government Committee.


    As expected, Representative Henne was incapable of defending the bill and incapable of explaining how disarming law-abiding citizens and destroying due process will make anyone safe.

    Completing “sponsor testimony” is their first step towards ramming HB585 into law.

    But that’s not all that happened yesterday.

    The bad news is, Republican Senators John Eklund (R-Munson Township) and Stephanie Kunze (R-Hilliard) introduced a Senate version of the Kasich/Henne gun-control bill!

    Like Governor Kasich, Representative Henne and Chairwoman Anielski, Senator Eklund is lame-duck, only introducing this legislation because he cannot run for reelection.

    And nearly as bad, Senator Stephanie Kunze isn’t up for reelection until 2020!

    Their bill, Senate Bill 288, appears to be a word-for-word duplicate of HB585, opening up a completely new line of attack on our gun rights from the Senate chamber.

    As you know, both HB585 and SB288 would destroy due process for gun owners and allow for gun-confiscation by declaration rather than adjudication.

    They would also expand the size and scope of the Federal gun-owner database, enabling government to categorically deny firearms rights to even more veterans returning home from overseas.

    And alarmingly, both bills would tether Ohio’s state code directly to the Federal prohibited firearms list, enabling any anti-gun Presidential administration to outright BAN AR15’s and other firearms!

    These bills are a direct punishment on law-abiding gun owners for the actions of madmen killers who don’t obey laws.

    In fact, as I stood only feet away from Governor Kasich, Representative Mike Henne and Senator John Eklund, they virtually admitted it!


    Ohio Gun Owners is already exposing these shenanigans in the districts of every Republican member of the House Committee using targeted social media, email and direct mail campaigns.

    But now we’re gearing up to expand those efforts in the districts of the Government Oversight and Reform Committee, where SB288 was referred only moments ago!

    The only force strong enough to stop these outright assaults on our freedoms is us, the thousands of law-abiding gun owners across Ohio.

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  2. Will this be a new trend? Again, how will these new "Gun-Control" proposals stop something like this....

    Teenager arrested in connection with armed robberies in Grove City

    By: NBC4 Staff
    Updated: Apr 14, 2018 06:57 AM EDT

    Grove City Police say a 16-year-old is one of four suspects involved in a string of recent armed robberies. (WCMH photo/Alex Smith)

    GROVE CITY, OH (WCMH) - A teenager is facing charges in connection with two armed robberies in Grove City.

    According to Grove City Police, the 16-year-old suspect was arrested Friday and charged with two counts of aggravated robbery. Investigators say the teen is one of four suspects involved in two armed robberies on April 6. Police are still trying to identify the other three suspects at this time.

    The two robberies happened within about 15 minutes of each other. The first was on the 2400 block of English Turn Drive just before 9pm on April 6. The victims had just arrived home and parked their car in the garage when three unknown males approached them. Two of the suspects were carrying guns. The suspects took a laptop and a cell phone during the robbery.

    Around 9:10pm on April 6, police were dispatched to a second robbery, this time on the 4000 block of Crestwick Court. The victim told investigators she had just returned home and parked her car when four males approached her. At least two of the suspects had guns. The suspects took her purse, cell phone and keys to her vehicle. One of the suspects fled the scene in the victim’s car while the other three left in another vehicle.

    Columbus Police say the two robberies are connected to a similar robbery that happened the morning of April 7 in German Village.

    Grove City Police say there are a few things you can do to protect yourself:

    • If you are in a vehicle and believe you are being followed, do not go home or stop if they continue to follow you. Call 911 and continue driving towards the nearest police station. The dispatchers will give you information on what to do.
    • Always be alert and aware of your surroundings while both inside and outside of your vehicle.
    • Check around you before you exit a vehicle and know where a safe area is near you.
    • In addition, if you “See Something, Say Something.” If you witness suspicious activity or what you believe to be suspicious activity, contact the Grove City Division of Police at 614-277-1710. Even if you do not think what you saw is important, let law enforcement make that determination.

    Anyone with information about the robberies or the identities of the suspects is asked to contact Grove City Police at 614-277-1710.

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  3. Anyone can makeup a sensational, exaggerated, untrue complaint towards you with impunity, unless you're willing to spend plenty of money to defend yourself.

    If this has never happened to you, then consider yourself lucky!

    Don't kid yourself if you think that this kind of protection order won't be abused or weaponized towards the poor, the vulnerable and the innocent.
    Extreme Risk Protection Order

    An Extreme Risk Protection Order (ERPO), also known as a Gun Violence Restraining Order (GVRO), is a gun violence prevention law that permits police or family members to petition a state court to order the temporary removal of firearms from a person who may present a danger to others or themselves. A judge makes the determination to issue the order based on statements and actions made by the gun owner in question.[1] After a set time, the guns are returned to the person from whom they were seized unless another court hearing extends the period of confiscation.[2][3]

    As of February 2018, five states have some version of such laws.[4]

    In 1999, Connecticut was the first to enact an ERPO law,[5] following a rampage shooting at the Connecticut Lottery.[6] It was followed by Indiana (2005), California (2014), Washington (2016), and Oregon (2017).[5] California was the first state to pass a GVRO law allowing family members to petition courts to take weapons from persons deemed a threat, after Elliot Rodger committed a mass shooting in Isla Vista, California; the California law also permits law enforcement officials to petition for an order for the removal of guns from an individual for up to twelve months.[6] The California Legislature passed a measure in 2016 to allow high school and college employees, co-workers and mental health professionals to file such petitions, but this legislation was vetoed by Governor Jerry Brown.[6]

    As of 2018, prompted by a number of mass shootings, 32 ERPO bills were being considered in the legislatures of 19 states as well as Washington, D.C.
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  4. How Ohio stacks up compared to other states and what is happening regarding gun-related legislation since the aftermath of the Parkland, Fla., high school mass shooting.

    There are visual aids and a complete list of all the states within the original version of the article. Click the source link to see just how Ohio stacks up...

    Source: -


    Map of state gun laws: Where things are changing after mass shooting at Florida school

    By Nausheen Husain, Kori Rumore, Jonathon Berlin and Kyle Bentle

    March 8, 2018 9:29 AM

    Nearly every state has at least discussed gun-related legislation in the aftermath of the mass shooting in a Parkland, Fla., high school. The backdrop to these changes is a geography that shows strong gun rights in the South, West and Southwest and stronger gun control on the coasts coming into an election year with 36 governorships in the hands of voters.

    Control of state government
    There are 25 states where Republicans hold the governorship and majorities in the state House and state Senate while Democrats hold the trifecta in seven states. Eighteen states are split between parties. Those dynamics, plus 36 governorships and all but four state legislatures, are up for election in 2018 are the backdrop for these debates.
    The Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence has published a gun law scorecard since 2010 and ranks states on the strength of gun laws by giving points for gun safety policies and giving negative points for laws it deems dangerous.

    What states have done since Florida shooting
    The Tribune surveyed news reports from around the country to glean the latest movements in the gun debate on the state level. Some of these situations change daily.

    Republican governorship, Republican state House, Republican state Senate
    Republican Gov. John Kasich proposed a range of gun law changes, including a ban on armor-piercing ammunition; forcing stricter compliance deadlines and penalties around entering data into the national background check system; prohibiting those targeted by domestic violence protection orders from buying or possessing firearms; and clarifying Ohio's prohibition on "strawman" third-party gun purchases.

    Guns and Ammo ranking: No. 29
    Giffords Center ranking: No. 21

    Sources: Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, Guns and Ammo, National Governors Assocation,, Associated Press and news reports
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  5. Certainly disturbing R's are proposing these bills. who do they think voted them in? I am torn on who to vote for Governor in the next election. Taylor has her wagon hitched to Kasich who I"ve never liked and Dewine seems to be cut of some of the same cloth only becoming more friendly to the 2nd amendment when it suited his needs.
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  6. Bryan six

    Bryan six Staff Member Super Mod Mod

    I spent a few hours watching PBS yesterday!! The Ohio channel had the state reps on. It was interesting to see how they voted. The more interesting part was the crazy bills they were voting on. I don't line to draw a political line in the Sand, but if it came down to it, I'd have to say I'm leaning more right. Regardless bills like Superman day and bills awarding medals and such was not what I thought I'd see. I did see some good bills being introduced like broadband bills, school counselors, and such! Just made me appreciate how much sludge my state rep, Edwards, has to trod through to get to the important issues!! Hope they aren't all asleep at the wheel and yawning it out in a daze like I saw yesterday, when the important issues come calling!!
  7. A friendly reminder about this weekend's Patriots rally. Certainly one way to get the latest scoop on who is supporting who come election day. Both my wife and I will be in attendance. Something I never have done before quite honestly, however these recent attacks on our basic freedoms have pushed me to the point that I felt the need to stand with my fellow patriots and show my support. I hope to see a magnificent crowd of proud passionate Americans come Saturday!

    Join the Patriots Day Rally at the Ohio Statehouse

    You are cordially invited to a rally for Patriotism and Freedom hosted by Ohioans for Concealed Carry, Ohio Carry, and Buckeye Firearms Association on Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 11 a.m.

    at the Ohio Statehouse
    , One Capitol Square in Columbus.

    Hear historical information on the role private ownership of firearms played in our country's founding.

    Hear immigrants talk of their experiences with freedom before coming to this country and their experiences now.

    Hear young people, the future of our great country, speak about why freedom is so important to their generation.
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  8. BFA ALERT - April 16, 2018

    Bloomberg groups and Moms Demand Action are trying to kill House Bill 228 - We need YOU to show up and tell House members you support this bill!

    Tomorrow, Tuesday, April 17, 2018
    3:00 PM

    Columbus Statehouse
    1 Capital Square
    Room 115

    Testimony on Sub HB 228

    Since the Parkland massacre, the Michael Bloomberg groups have been motivated and organized. They are trying to give the false impression that they outnumber hard working, law-abiding gun owners.

    They are showing up at hearings with more people for banning guns than we do for fixing concealed carry and firearms laws. We need to change that. Please show up in person and / or submit written testimony in support of Sub HB 228.

    You do not need to do anything in advance to come to the hearing, but those wishing to testify should submit (email) notice and written testimony to:

    Testimony should be short and focus on a couple points important to you that are in the bill, such as:
    • Shifting the burden of proof in self-defense cases to the state instead of the crime victim.
    • Removing the "duty to retreat" from things a crime victim must do before defending their life from a deadly attack.
    • Aligning Ohio law with Federal law / BATFE on the definition of a shotgun.
    • Adding language to punish people who illegally buy a gun for a prohibited person (straw purchase).
    • Reducing the penalty for "failure to notify" police during an official stop.
    • Eliminating the requirement to post "no guns" signs in locations that allow firearms.
    We know we outnumber the gun control groups. There are 4 million gun owners in Ohio. But our opponents are working hard to advance their "gun control" agenda. We must likewise show up and be counted if we expect to advance our pro-gun, self-defense, pro-freedom agenda.

    Please show up to show your support for this vital legislation!
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    Antigun Democrat Introduces Partisan Ammunition Control Bill, Claims No “Right to Bear Bullets”

    7:00AM TUESDAY, APRIL 17, 2018

    [Last month], U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) introduced the Ammunition Background Check Act of 2018. Wasserman Schultz claimed the act would close an “absurd loophole” by “requiring all buyers of ammunition” to undergo the same sort of background checks that currently apply to the purchase of a firearm from a licensed dealer. While the text of the bill has yet to be publicly released, the description provided on Wasserman Schultz’s website indicates it would apply to both dealer and private sales.

    Far from being a “loophole,” however, the absence of a federal ammunition background check reflects the fact that point-of-sale record keeping for ammunition purchases has already been tried, tested, and discarded as a failure. The Gun Control Act of 1968 originally required ammunition dealers to be licensed and to record ammunition sales, similar to the requirements that continue to pertain to sales of firearms by licensed dealers. In 1982, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition was exempted from the federal record keeping requirements, followed in 1986 by the repeal of both the licensing and record keeping requirements as they pertained to ammunition dealers. An official from the ATF testifying on the 1986 bill characterized the proposed repeal as a “positive” development, noting that the then-existing requirements had “no substantial law enforcement value” and that “their elimination would remove an unnecessary recordkeeping burden from licensees.”

    Needless to say, federally prohibited persons experience little difficulty defeating current background checks requirements for firearms through theft, illegal purchases on the secondary market, borrowing firearms from criminal associates, and the use of straw purchasers. Firearms must bear mandatory markings and unique serial numbers, however, which at least allow investigators to trace them back to the original retail purchaser to generate leads that may help explain how guns came to be diverted to criminal use.

    Requiring similar markings for every round of ammunition sold, however, would be prohibitively expensive, if not altogether impractical. And without such markings, ammunition would be virtually impossible to account for after the first retail sale. This helps explain why the original record-keeping requirements were considered useless and why re-imposing ammunition controls would be a waste of time.

    Simply put, criminals could and would violate the requirements easily and with impunity. Meanwhile law-abiding dealers and purchasers would be saddled with gratuitous paperwork and all the problems inherent in the current background check system, including delays, false positives, and the laborious and lengthy process of correcting erroneous or incomplete information. The Act would also effectively ban direct online ammunition sales, the most affordable option for those who use large amounts of ammunition in training and competitive shooting. The bill might also make sharing or borrowing ammunition at a range or on a hunt effectively illegal.

    No doubt, the “designed to fail” nature of the scheme would only tee up calls to close further “loopholes,” including calls to encode or serialize every round of ammunition that goes to market and to impose registries and caps on ammunition purchases. It would also likely re-impose dealer licensing for ammunition sellers, with all the expense and ATF bureaucracy that entails.

    Ammunition background checks are such a bad idea, in fact, that even the most antigun jurisdictions have generally avoided them. One Northeastern state enacted a law to require them, to much fanfare, but then quietly abandoned the effort without ever actually implementing the requirements. Out West, another state is in the midst of trying to figure out how to implement its own recently-enacted law, with absurdities such as mandatory fingerprinting of non-residents seeking to buy ammunition while visiting the state.

    Showing ignorance not just of the subject matter of her bill but also of the Bill of Rights, Wasserman Schultz insisted at a press conference, “You do not have the right to bear bullets.” This erroneous assertion is in keeping with a growing antipathy toward the Second Amendment among many members of the party for which she was formerly National Committee chairwoman, 39% of whom favor the amendment’s repeal. It also aligns Wasserman Schultz with Hillary Clinton, the party’s defeated 2016 presidential nominee, who infamously claimed “the Supreme Court is wrong on the Second Amendment.” Wasserman Schultz, of course, resigned from her chairwoman post in disgrace when emails made public by Wikileaks showed that she used the Democratic Party apparatus to conspire against Bernie Sanders and in favor of Hillary Clinton during the presidential primaries.

    Little surprise Wasserman Schultz now seeks redemption among her party peers through the introduction of opportunistic and ill-considered gun control legislation. Her backward-looking bill, however, would only burden legitimate firearm-related commerce while doing nothing to hinder criminals.


  10. In case you're not aware, today is the day that can be life changer for many Ohioans.
    OH ALERT: Gun-Control Bill Hearings Scheduled for TUESDAY!

    Christopher Dorr April 8, 2018 Latest News, State Legislation 0

    It’s all out war at the Statehouse against our gun rights.

    In an alarming late-Friday afternoon political stunt, House leadership scheduled a hearing for GovernorKasich’s gun-confiscation bill, HB585, for THIS TUESDAY!

    Trying to give gun owners little time to oppose it, they are RAMMING HB585 through at lighting speed.

    So I’ll cut right to the point.

    Term-limited Republican turncoat Representative Mike Henne introduced Governor Kasich’s HB585 on Thursday.

    Then, term-limited House Speaker Cliff Rosenberger scheduled it for a committee hearing, even though it wasn’t yet referred to committee, for this Tuesday at 2:00pm in room 17 at the Statehouse.

    Term-limited State and Local Government Committee chairwoman Marlene Anielski is the lieutenant charged with ramming this legislation through committee.

    And of course, term-limited Governor Kasich is the Supreme Commander behind it all, calling the shots and pulling the strings.

    In other words, every single key player involved in trying to ram this this gun-control into law won’t answer to their voters and cannot be held accountable this election season!

    This is bad news.

    And don’t think this is an accident, Web. This entire bill was created under cover of darkness.

    In fact, Representative Henne even refused to release it for cosponsorship beforehand and is the SOLE author of the bill!

    This bill is being fasttracked at lighting speed, and you and I need to stop it – NOW.

    As you know, this bill is a 6-pronged attack on our gun rights, but it keys in on two major areas that gun owners need to focus on.

    1. It totally destroys due-process for gun owners.
    HB585 creates “ex parte hearings” where a petitioner can ask a court to have someone’s Second Amendment rights stripped away, WITHOUT the accused even being present!

    No retaining counsel. No refutation of “evidence.” No counter-evidence.


    The first thing a gun owner would know about it would be a sheriff’s deputy knocking at the door, warrant in hand, to come in and confiscate your firearms!

    1. It expands the scope of the Federal NCIC gun-owner database.
    Background checks don’t stop violent criminals. Pick ANY recent mass shooting as proof.

    But as Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi well know, expanding the background check system DOES build a massive, bloated database of gun owners they can use against us sometime down the road.

    That’s why they just voted for it in Congress.

    And that’s also why the Hartford Courant in Connecticut has called on the State Police to use the NCIC database to hunt down anyone who didn’t register their AR15’s in 2014 and either confiscate their legally purchased firearms or prosecute them for FELONIES!

    HB585 must be stopped, blocked and KILLED in the House State and Local Government Committee.

  11. Buckeye Firearms Assoc.'s Ron Lemieux testifies in support of HB 228
    by Chad D. Baus
    7:00 AM WEDNESDAY, APRIL 18, 2018

    On Tuesday, April 17, the House Committee on Federalism and Interstate Relations heard testimony on House Bill 228 (Fix Burden of Proof/ Concealed Carry Modernization).

    Buckeye Firearms Association's Ron Lemieux was on hand to offer both oral and written testimony in favor of the bill. His written testimony follows:

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  12. Think again if you think your guns and your rights to them are safe hunters! There are many cities, townships and states throughout the country presenting outrageous legislature. Here's just another example...

    Incredible Anti-Gun Bill Introduced in MN
    HF 3022 could make California seem "gun-friendly."

    For everyone in MN.

    Here it comes

    HF 3022 is now in the Legislature

    – Permit required to own a gun
    – Permit required to buy a gun
    – Permit required to sell a gun
    – Local law enforcement gets to deny all types of gun permits
    – Local law enforcement gets to deny permits to carry
    – Personal medical information must be shared with law enforcement
    – All firearm transfers must be reported
    – All guns must be registered (fees set by local law enforcement)
    – Registration must be renewed annually
    – Local law enforcement may conduct warrantless “safety inspections” of gun owner’s homes
    – Local law enforcement sets “safe storage” policies
    – Five day waiting period for all transfers
    – Transfers must be done through an FFL (even between private parties)
    – Fees may be charged for transfers
    – Local law enforcement may conduct background investigation on transfers
    – Total ban on any gun which meets broad “assault weapon” definition – banned guns must be destroyed or surrendered
    – Ban thumbhole stocks
    – Ban adjustable stocks
    – Ban pistol grip stocks
    – Limit fixed magazine capacity to 7 rounds
    – Ban any magazine capable of holding more than 7 rounds
    – Suspension of gun rights based on complaints from anonymous parties
    – Recriminalization of suppressors
    – Bump stock ban
    – All ammunition sales will be registered
    – Permit required to purchase ammunition

    Almost forgot an important thing —

    HF 3022 would also make gun owner private data public. This would include:

    Number and type of guns you own
    Your address

    Anyone think that’s okay?

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  14. Some good news for a change.

    'We're Taking a Stand': Illinois County Declares Itself a Sanctuary for Gun Owners

    An overwhelming majority of board members in Effingham County, Illinois, decided to “flip the script” this week and declare itself a “sanctuary” for gun owners.

    Effingham County State’s Attorney Bryan Kibler and board member David Campbell called a barrage of gun-control bills working their way through the Illinois House and Senate a clear signal that it’s time to “take a stand.”

    The men joined “Fox & Friends First” on Thursday to discuss a new Second Amendment resolution that passed along an 8-1 vote.

    SEE ALSO: Semi-automatic weapons targeted in Illinois village; ban includes steep fines

    We “decided it’s time for someone to take a hard stand,” Mr. Campbell told the network.

    The resolution reads: “If the Government of the State of Illinois shall infringe upon the inalienable rights granted by the Second Amendment, Effingham County shall become a ‘sanctuary county’ for all firearms.”

    Mr. Kibler said that Effingham’s move, while “mostly symbolic,” was drafted to articulate the high level of discontent among its population.

    “We thought, ‘How can we really get the point across that this is becoming a major concern to our constituents that our Second Amendment rights and liberties are being slowly stripped away through numerous bill coming through the Illinois General Assembly?’ … Why don’t we just make this a sanctuary county like they would for undocumented immigrants,” Mr. Campbell said. “So we did flip the script on it.”

    Mr. Kiibler said that an “outpouring of support” has flowed into his office from neighboring counties.

    “It’s symbolic … but it really proves that people in southern Illinois are tired of being pushed around” by Chicago legislators, he said.

    The rural county of 34,000 residents is home to world’s second largest cross, a 200-foot steel memorial. It last backed a Democrat for president in 1964.