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This is worth 12 minutes of your time if you stand behind your gun rights.

It not only dissects the dishonesty of the CDC study, but he actually makes some good points regarding gun owners. I have run into some gun owners who have been swayed by the anti-gun propaganda.

 

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There are many here on this very board who are gun owners but follow the leftist agenda. It’s mind boggling to me. Anti gun rhetoric is never about solutions it’s only about making people feel good. Like most leftist propaganda.
 

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What people need to do is understand the gun has been the same since it was developed, point and pull trigger and gun goes bang. Many anti-gun people are really mis-informed or have very little knowledge about guns. They don't take the time to understand why "people" Kill or use guns in an illegal way.

What has changed is some people's mentality. We have an issue with the individual behind that trigger.

It's much easier to add more gun control from a political standpoint and misinform the public to go along with it then to address the real reasons.
 

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Ever since we citizens agreed to limit the federal government with the seven articles in the U.S. Constitution, the federal government began to limit us citizens with over 30,000 statutes (since 1789 and counting!) and an unfathomable number of rules and regulations, many of which violate the very document that allows them to exist.

To plagiarize author Mario Puzo: A politician can steal more than a thousand men with guns.”
 

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Ever since we citizens agreed to limit the federal government with the seven articles in the U.S. Constitution, the federal government began to limit us citizens with over 30,000 statutes (since 1789 and counting!) and an unfathomable number of rules and regulations, many of which violate the very document that allows them to exist.

To plagiarize author Mario Puzo: A politician can steal more than a thousand men with guns.”
Ever since we citizens agreed to limit the federal government with the seven articles in the U.S. Constitution, the federal government began to limit us citizens with over 30,000 statutes (since 1789 and counting!) and an unfathomable number of rules and regulations, many of which violate the very document that allows them to exist.

It's all about Controlling the citizens- All of us got a very good taste of it the last 2 years......
 

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None of this should matter. The majority can’t take rights away from the minority. It’s the Definition of a Constitutional Republic….There is no mention of the word gun, weapon, arms, or ownership anywhere in the text of Article I, Section 8. So given the previous understanding of the ideals set forth by the Declaration of Independence and Article I, Section 1 of the Constitution, how can one justifiably argue that the government has any authority to regulate the right to bear arms?! But “we the people”are allowing govt to slowly but surely enslave us by disarming us…..or making owning firearms so miserable you don’t want to own guns.
 

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Half this country are idiots! That’s the biggest problem we have. Generations of middle class people brainwashed to vote for democrats by their union slave masters.
 

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LOL.....Blackcat!!

Here is some more wasted taxpayer dollars.....don't be fooled by un-educated attempts in pushing thru useless laws.


Cincinnati Files Suit Over Preemption, Intends to Enact Gun Control Laws

6:00AM THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 02, 2023
Despite the fact that the Ohio Supreme Court in 2010 ruled that Ohio's preemption law on firearms is constitutional, and despite recently losing a lawsuit over firearms ordinances, the city of Cincinnati has decided to again waste its citizens' tax dollars and re-litigate settled law.

On Friday, Jan. 27, 2023, the city of Cincinnati filed a complaint against the state of Ohio for declaratory and injunctive relief in the Hamilton County Court of Common Pleas.

The complaint alleges that Ohio's "preemption" law forbidding political subdivisions from regulating firearms, their components, ammunition, and knives is unconstitutional and illegal.

Preemption, as spelled out in Ohio Revised Code 9.68, has been the law since it took effect in March of 2007. It has been upheld in previous lawsuits, including a 2010 Ohio Supreme Court ruling, which declared O.R.C. 9.68 valid in all respects, and a recent case involving Cincinnati's illegal bump stock ban, which cost the city $235,218 in legal fees when they lost to Buckeye Firearms Foundation after the case reached the Ohio Supreme Court.

"Cincinnati is following the lead of Columbus in ignoring settled law and previous court decisions,"
said Dean Rieck, Executive Director of Buckeye Firearms Association.

"And just as Columbus' challenge will eventually be defeated, Cincinnati, too, will lose in court. Either lower courts will decide the matter or, once again, the Ohio Supreme Court will weigh in and remind Ohio's cities that they have no home rule authority on the matter of Second Amendment rights."

Ohio is one of 42 states with preemption provisions that set firearms regulation at the state level and forbid municipalities and other political subdivisions from enacting gun control that is more strict than state law.

"There is not only overwhelming precedent for preemption," continued Rieck. "There is the practical matter of having a consistent and clearly understood set of gun laws rather than a random patchwork of laws. If every one of Ohio's more than 2,000 cities, villages, and townships passed their own gun laws, no one could possibly keep up.

"Just driving to work, attending church, or going to the grocery could turn you into a law-breaker as you traveled from place to place and crossed municipal boundaries. Ohio solved this problem 16 years ago, but Columbus, and now Cincinnati, seek to sow confusion," argues Rieck.
"And for what? To pass gun laws violent criminals will not obey, and which will accomplish nothing but entrap otherwise law-abiding residents? City leaders should be ashamed of themselves for this blatantly political gamesmanship."


In addition to filing the complaint against Ohio, Cincinnati has also announced it seeks to pass "emergency" gun laws after a Fairfield County judge denied a request from Ohio Attorney General Yost to block firearm regulations recently enacted by the city of Columbus.

The ordinances, proposed for passage on Feb. 8, include mandated safe storage where children may have access to firearms and a prohibition on gun possession by those convicted of a misdemeanor offense of domestic violence or those subject to a temporary protection or restraining order which involves an intimate partner or an intimate partner's child.

"Buckeye Firearms Association and Ohio's 4 million gun owners will fight this," said Rieck. "We will not allow rogue cities to eviscerate the progress we've made over the last two decades just so they can grandstand and pretend that they're fighting crime, when all they're doing is wasting taxpayer dollars on political theater."
 

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And once again, we have California trying to pass a gun law on guns that were used in recent shootings that was already illegal. Do you think, that there is more to it? Absolutely and more the reason to stay on top of being educated and be able to weed out the propaganda, Political theater, and misinformation out there.

Joining Gun supporting organizations that defend your 2nd amendment rights are important- GOA, NRA and Buckeye Firearms associations all go to court to help fight the misinformation like this below.


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GOA FIGHTING “ASSAULT WEAPONS” BAN IN CONGRESS, IN COURT

Written by Erich Pratt Published: 25 January 2023

Your God-given rights are under assault – yet again.

The White House is now exploiting the three recent tragic shootings in California to gin up support for the ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN that was just introduced in the Senate.

California is one of the most anti-gun states in the nation. In fact, the type of firearm used by the shooter in Monterey Park, CA was already ILLEGAL in the state!


But that undeniable fact didn’t stop California’s governor Gavin Newsom from publicly denouncing the Second Amendment as “a suicide pact.

Anti-gunners are no longer even trying to hide their true motives.

Their goal is the DEATH of the Second Amendment – and they will keep chipping away at your rights until you’ve been completely disarmed.

GOA is already fighting back against these unconstitutional bans on commonly-owned firearms.
We just filed a federal lawsuit challenging Illinois’ recent ban on so-called “assault weapons.” And with your help, we will stop a federal assault weapons ban from landing on Joe Biden’s desk.

Please make a contribution to our 2A Protection Fund to fight back against the ban on so-called “assault weapons” that was just introduced in the Senate.

We’re not even one full month into the new year, and anti-gunners are waging war on our God-given rights…

…The ATF is dictating unconstitutional executive actions that could lead to the imprisonment of countless law-abiding gun owners and now the Senate is trying to ban so-called “assault weapons.”
Last year, 15 Republicans in the Senate and 14 in the House surrendered our Second Amendment rights and passed gun control in the wake of two tragic shootings.

Now, with three new shootings in California, we cannot risk having squishy Republicans in the Senate stab us in the back again.

That’s why GOA is already mobilizing to put pressure on the usual suspects of weak-kneed Republicans to stop this assault weapons ban from landing on Joe Biden’s desk.

But we’re going to need your support to beat it.

So please, make a contribution to our 2A Protection Fund to fight back against the ban on so-called “assault weapons” that was just introduced in the Senate.
 

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Good to see Attorney generals doing their homework-

State attorneys general to Biden: No on 'assault weapons' ban


State attorneys general to Biden on 'assault weapons' ban: Nope, nada, not having it
6:00AM WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 2023

Following his State of the Union (SOTU) speech earlier this month, in which President Joe Biden yelled, “Band [sic] ‘assault weapons’ now!”, the president predictably included the same demand last week in remarks at the National Association of Counties legislative conference. “I’m gonna say something that’s always controversial but there is no rationale for assault weapons and magazines that hold 50, 70 bullets. Got it done once. Gonna do it again.”

A day later, sixteen state Attorneys General, led by Austin Knudsen, the Montana Attorney General, penned a blunt letter to the president in response to his “unconstitutional and irresponsible demand that Congress ban firearms commonly used by law-abiding Americans for self-defense.” The five-page document meticulously dismantles Biden’s rhetoric on “assault weapons” and schools the president on how astonishingly wrong he is in proclaiming that “[t]he idea we still allow semiautomatic weapons to be purchased is sick … It has no, no social redeeming value.”

Americans own approximately 100 million semiautomatic handguns and 45 million semiautomatic rifles. The “staggeringly broad” definition of “assault weapon” personally employed by Joe Biden would include every semi-automatic firearm. “Thus, when Americans hear that you plan to come after our so-called ‘assault weapons,’ we brace ourselves for an attack on ordinary, safe, and highly effective weapons commonly used for self and home defense.”


Citing a CDC study commissioned while Biden was Vice President, the letter notes that statistics support the widespread use of firearms in self-defense. Not only is “[d]efensive use of guns by crime victims … a common occurrence,” but “the successful use of guns in self-defense dwarfs the number of injuries and deaths from guns under any circumstance — including crimes, accidents, and self-inflicted injuries.” “ses of guns for self-defense also outnumber the uses of guns in crimes themselves.” Moreover, the same study, the writers point out, shows that “a crime victim who uses a gun in self-defense is much safer than an unarmed crime victim.”

Biden oft-repeated assertion that the 1994 federal “assault weapon” ban (which he championed) reduced mass shootings “is also unsupportable,” as two separate studies by the federal Department of Justice “found no discernible effect on violent crime from that legislation.”

The letter zeroes in on the case of Brandon Tsay, the hero who disarmed an active shooter in Monterey Park, California, and the president’s “cynical” use of the incident during his SOTU address. Biden recognized the bravery of Mr. Tsay while, in the same breath, demanding stricter gun laws (“He saved lives. It’s time we do the same. Ban assault weapons now. Ban them now. Once and for all.”). Mr. Tsay was himself unfortunately unarmed, and the letter notes that “[f]ar from empowering heroes like Mr. Tsay, your policies would disarm them, turning everyday heroes into additional victims of deranged killers.” Biden’s highlighting of this incident “suffers from another glaring problem,” as the weapon involved was already banned under California’s draconian gun control laws, establishing that an assault weapon ban “was obviously ineffective in preventing the shooting.”
“[Y]ou politicized the Monterey Park tragedy to demand that Congress pass one policy (a federal ‘assault weapons’ ban) that California’s identical policy (a state ‘assault weapons’ ban) had already failed to prevent.”

After demolishing the case for an assault weapon ban using facts and statistics, the Attorneys General turned to the law. The “right to keep and bear arms is one of the most fundamental and deeply rooted liberties in our constitutional tradition.”

Last year, “the Supreme Court reaffirmed that the Second Amendment protects ‘the carrying of weapons that are … ‘in common use at the time.’’ Semiautomatic pistols and rifles ‘are indisputably in ‘common use’ for self-defense today.” Indeed, semiautomatic handguns are ‘the quintessential self-defense weapon.’ There is ‘no justification for laws restricting the public carry of weapons that are unquestionably in common use today.”

The letter puts the president on notice that these chief law enforcement officials will oppose, with “every tool at our disposal … your attempt to trample on Americans’ fundamental right to defend themselves.”

The NRA-ILA applauds Attorney General Knudsen and his fellow attorneys general for defending the Second Amendment and their stand against yet another ineffective, delusional and “patently unconstitutional” encroachment on the rights of ordinary, responsible Americans.

 

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Yet so many brainwashed union members on this website voted for this idiot. The democrat gun owner is the strangest of all creatures.
 

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More ways to pin down who are gun owners for the Government to know who has them?

Ask yourself, how effective this is if you know who is buying the gun but it won't stop someone with bad intent from using it since he already has the gun after he charged it! It amazes me that people buy into the political misinformation.



Discover Card to start tracking firearms purchases
By John Crump
6:00AM THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2023

Discover Financial Services will start tracking gun purchases at retailers nationwide this coming April.
Discover is the fourth largest credit card provider after American Express, Visa, and Mastercard and is the first provider to publicly state that it will start tracking gun purchases. The credit card company claims it will begin monitoring gun purchases to help law enforcement agencies investigate gun-related crimes. The announcement comes five months after the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) approved a dedicated merchant code for gun stores.

Credit card companies have been under pressure from Democratic members of Congress to track gun purchases better. These members claim that assigning a different code to firearms sales will somehow help police solve crimes involving guns. They also claim that the data can and should be used for research into firearms-related crimes.

Although the codes will not show what exact guns the patron purchased from a federal firearms licensee (FFL), many in the Second Amendment community worry that these codes can be used to block the lawful purchase of firearms. Others fear that credit card companies will use the data to raise the transaction rates of gun stores, making it more cost prohibited to buy a firearm. Also, many others worry the data recovered will be used to create an anti-gun narrative by cherry-picking data.
These fears might not be unfounded. During the Obama administration, the Justice Department launched “Operation Chokepoint.” The operation designated gun stores as a risk for money laundering even though most, if not all, customers must fill out an ATF Form 4473 and complete a federal background check when buying an item from a gun shop.

Republican members of Congress worry that the data will violate the privacy rights of Americans who purchase lawful goods. Discover was quick to claim to Reuters that those fears were unfounded.
“We remain focused on continuing to protect and support lawful purchases on our network while protecting the privacy of cardholders,” Discover said in its statement to Reuters.

According to Discover, other credit card companies also plan to implement the new codes in April. The company refused to identify which other card companies would start using the “5723 — Gun and ammunition shops” codes. Master Card, Visa, and American Express are mum on the issue and have not responded to media inquiries.

ISO, which is based in Europe, said the merchant codes would be available to card companies by the end of this month. Although available for credit card companies use, they are not required to use the codes. Each company is free to choose whether to adopt the codes or not.

Discover only has 2% of the credit card market in the United States, but the U.S. credit card market is so large that the company processes $191.2 million worth of transactions each year. Gun owners can significantly dent Discover’s market cap by canceling or simply not using their Discover cards. Boycotts have been a successful tool of the left for many years. Using the same methods as the left, gun owners can send a strong message to these companies that Americans do not want their gun purchases tracked.

Discover did not respond to AmmoLand’s request for comment
John Crump is an NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. He has written about firearms, interviewing people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. He lives in northern Virginia with his wife and sons and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss or at crumpy.com. Reprinted with permission of AmmoLand.

 

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To counter the Political theater and misinformed propaganda, I am going to list any "news" and updates so gun owners and hunters(that are in line with current 2nd amendment rights) get important and timely information.

Remember the names in these news briefs when election time rolls around so you know who is for your 2nd amendment rights and who isn't!!!


Gun bills trickle in as Ohio legislature's 135th assembly gets rolling

6:00AM FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 2023

A handful of House and Senate bills are beginning to work their way through the state's legislative process, as the Ohio Legislature's 135th General Assembly gets underway.

The first three, as currently written, would reduce firearms regulations and expand Second Amendment rights.

One in particular is called the Second Amendment Preservation Act.


Introduced by Reps. Mike Loychik, R-Bazetta, and Jean Schmidt, R-Loveland, House Bill 51 would add further protections to the right to bear arms, remove federal firearms law references from the state firearms control law, and declare an emergency. The legislation takes several steps to protect the Second Amendment, according to a Feb. 16 news release from Loychik's office.

“As a conservative representative for the people of Trumbull and Ashtabula Counties, I strongly support protecting the Second Amendment right to bear arms here in Ohio,” Loychik said in the release. “This bill further protects the right of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves and their loved ones.”

The bill, Loychik said, would remove federal firearms law references from the state firearms control law.

“I have worked closely in conjunction with the Speaker to move this bill forward to ensure we are protecting the Second Amendment for Ohioans,” he said.
HB 51 is in House committee.

Civil immunity for self-defense for nonprofits


Sen. Tim Schaffer, R-Lancaster, has introduced Senate Bill 32, which would grant civil immunity to a person who acts in self-defense or to protect the members or guests of a nonprofit corporation under certain circumstances.
SB 32 is in Senate committee.

Prohibition against requiring firearms liability insurance

Senate Bill 58, introduced by Sens. Terry Johnson, R-McDermott, and Theresa Gavarone, R-Bowling Green, would prohibit requiring fees or liability insurance for the possession of firearms, or fees for the possession of knives.

SB 58 also is in Senate committee.

Veiled attempt to roll back stand-your-ground law, reimpose duty to retreat


State Rep. Latyna M. Humphrey, R-Franklin County, appears intent on turning law-abiding citizens who defend themselves into criminals.

Under the veil of applying limits to locations at which citizens would have no duty to retreat, House Bill 62 would roll back stand-your-ground legislation and limit no duty to retreat to a person's home and vehicle only. It also would allow courts to consider the possibility of retreat as a factor in cases of self-defense.


Humphrey's bill, which thus far has not advanced, would increase firearms regulations and is yet another attack on Second Amendment rights.

Ohio has 2-year legislative sessions. The current session began Jan. 1, 2023, and will end at midnight Dec. 31, 2024. Bills introduced during a session must be passed before the end of the session.

The Buckeye Firearms Association is monitoring legislation and will keep you posted on any status changes. Check BuckeyeFirearms.org for updates.

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Lot's of misinformation out there----


and Buckeye Firearms made sure the State Laws were updated in the city of Upper Arlington.

Upper Arlington City Council in December passed an ordinance to comply with Ohio gun laws.

Upper Arlington updates ordinances to comply with Ohio gun laws
by Dean Rieck
6:00AM TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2023

"Preemption," as specified in Ohio Revised Code 9.68, says that gun regulation is the exclusive purview of the state and that political subdivisions, such as cities, cannot enact gun laws beyond what state law sets forth.

While some cities, such as Columbus and Cincinnati, fight Ohio's preemption laws and must be sued to force them into compliance, others understand they are obligated to follow the law. Upper Arlington is a recent example of how cities should approach the issue.


On Dec. 5, 2022, Upper Arlington City Council voted to adopt a set of amendments to the city's code of ordinances to bring the city into compliance with state law on matters of concealed carry and knives. Specifically, the city amended ordinances to comply with permitless carry (SB 215), the addition of knives to Ohio's preemption protections (SB 156), and the legalization of knife carry and the manufacture and sale of "switchblades" and similar knives (SB 140).
The updated laws went into effect in early January.

Did Upper Arlington leaders take this action all on their own? Of course, not. A BFA member and resident of the city contacted the Buckeye Firearms Association last year to bring the errant city ordinances to our attention. As we've done on many similar occasions, we advised Mr. Hill on how to approach the city on this matter and what information to present.

So he contacted the Upper Arlington city attorney, presented information on the new state laws BFA worked to pass, and cited the city ordinances that did not comply. This is fairly easy to do because nearly every municipality makes its laws publicly available online and can generally be found when you google the city name, state, and the word "ordinances." In this case, you could find the laws of Upper Arlington by searching for "Upper Arlington Ohio ordinances."


Most small and medium-size cities, even those that lean left politically, prefer to abide by the law and avoid litigation, so they are generally willing to modify their ordinances when you clearly and politely point out discrepancies. And in nearly every case, the best first contact is the city attorney, whose job is to act as legal counsel and keep the municipality out of trouble.

Being confrontational or presenting hostile public testimony at city council meetings isn't helpful in most cases and may actually slow down the process. Typically, once the city attorney understands what parts of city ordinances are not in compliance, he or she will bring this to the attention of city council members and quietly suggest modifications, which are then voted on.

If you're curious, you can watch this video showing how the Upper Arlington city attorney presented this to council members and the ensuing discussion and vote. Even though council members clearly didn't like the changes— even tears from one member — the ordinance amendments passed on a 6-1 vote, with Ukeme Awakessien Jeter casting the "no" vote.

The process doesn't always go smoothly, which was the case in University Heights, where the city refused to modify its ordinances until after an election brought change to leadership. But the case of Marysville, where the process took only five months, is more typical.

I've done this in my own hometown and, as I write this, I'm preparing to contact our city attorney to suggest further ordinance modifications for the city to comply with SB 185 which limits government power during emergencies and will go into effect on April 4, 2023.

If you want to look up the ordinances in your hometown, do an internet search as described above. Then search the text for laws related to firearms, concealed carry, knives, emergency powers, ammunition, magazines, and similar topics. If you believe something does not comply with current Ohio law, feel free to contact us (choose "other" for the category on the contact form).

With well over 2,000 cities, villages, and townships in Ohio, it is up to every resident to hold their local leaders to account for the laws on the books and to make sure they do not violate your Second Amendment rights.

Dean Rieck is Executive Director of Buckeye Firearms Association, a former competitive shooter, NRA Patron Member, former #1 NRA Recruiter, and host of the Keep and Bear Radio podcast.

 
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