So what does everyone think is the cause, for the numbers to be so far down? In the late 70s, early to mid 80s we averaged 30-35 flushes per day. Some days over 50. Last season I hunted (3 yrs ago) an exceptional day was 10, usually more like 4. Now it's a long drive for 2 or 3 flushes. I know the cover changes over time, but we now see more turkeys than grouse. My feeling is that's a big part of it. It looks like a bulldozer went through where a big flock of turkeys were scratching. The second growth doesn't get a chance to start. The grouse need the thick, overhead cover to feel secure from avian predators. Without it, they won't be there. I've seen what looked to be good feeding sources, but there was no overhead cover. Hence, no birds. Is the state doing much clear cutting? Even so, these areas take 8-10 yrs to be productive. My feeling is the turkeys have become so popular (read dollars) that the grouse are being ignored, by the state.