Archers Take Notice!

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BandanaMan

Discussion Starter · Aug 19, 2007

Archers take notice of this Dispatch article in today's paper!

If we don't cull the deer heard as ODNR wants us to.....what do you think will happen???

Also note in this article farmers & orchardists can no longer use their crop damage permits during the deer hunting season! Now that's going to make for some happy people!!:yikes:

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/dis.../outdoors19.ART_ART_08-19-07_C11_F67L7NL.html

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jackalope

· #2 · Aug 19, 2007 (Edited by Moderator)

It don't matter. I have seen and been told of farmers sitting on the back porch with the 300 win mag and a beer just shooting at deer all day, and just letting them lay. 365 days a year.

Do I agree with it no.. Will I turn them in no. I am from the belief that it's his land and his living. The farmer has been crapped on for years, so much you can barely make a decent living at it anymore. and if he wants to pop some deer so that he can serve a better dinner to his family, or buy his wife a nice ring for their anniversary, and have some money to maybe go on a little vacation. Than that’s his damn right. and if it takes a few dead deer to give him that, then so be it.

I just wish he would let some guys hunt the property and do it legally. But every farmer that says no usually has a darn good reason and, 99 times out of 100 it's a past hunters fault. I can't blame him for that either.

I think they shouldn't have permits at all. But do it like they do out west with the grassland recovery.. ODNR pay the farmer to open his land to public hunting. Have a special hunting license for it. and if a hunter disrespects the land, like rutting up roads or stomping down crop. The ban that hunter from buying that license. The only way fro the Hunter, ODNR, farmer relationship is ever going to work is to start culling the heard of crappy disrespectful hunters.

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coonskinner

· #3 · Aug 19, 2007 (Edited by Moderator)

ITS NOTHING NEW THAT THEY HAVE WANTED TO STOP THE GROWTH OR TO REDUCE THE HEARD FOR MANY YEARS...AND THEY HAVE TTRIED TO DO IT WITH SOME SUCCESS...BUT FOR MANY...NOT ENOUGH...NOW THEY ARE TAKING MORE DRASTIC APPROACH TO THIS...MAYBE THEY SHOULD STOP HUNTING BUCKS FOR A YEAR,FOR THE COMPLETE SEASON INCLUDING GUNS AND BOW AND IF THAT DONT DO IT...DO IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR...:yikes:

buckstar25

· #4 · Aug 19, 2007

I remember when my dad hunted in the early 80's, you had to shoot your doe before you got your buck tag. I would like to see this happen again, shoot 1-2 does before getting your tag for your buck. The whole farmer thing I agree with, I see it first hand on the property next to mine. This farmer is at his end.

Frank in the Laurel

· #5 · Aug 19, 2007

This all sounds so similar to what we were told prior to our herd reduction that amounted almost whipping out the entire herd on public land....so similar.

mrex

· #6 · Aug 19, 2007

buckstar25 said:
I remember when my dad hunted in the early 80's, you had to shoot your doe before you got your buck tag.

What state was he hunting?

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mrex

· #7 · Aug 19, 2007

Frank in the Laurel said:
This all sounds so similar to what we were told prior to our herd reduction that amounted almost whipping out the entire herd on public land....so similar.

If they expanded our crow season you'd find a way to liken it to PA's deer problems.

Thunderflight

· #8 · Aug 19, 2007

The thinking behind the change, he said, is that the hunting season already provides a window during which anyone with a permit can take whitetails on a property if a motivated landowner wants to take advantage by hunting or by granting permission to hunt. A landowner who has a whitetail problem during the growing season won't be denied a chance to kill additional deer, but won't be able to delay the culling, using nuisance permits, until the fall.

Sounds to me like the ODNR is trying to force farmers and landowners to start granting permission to hunt.

Monroe

· #9 · Aug 19, 2007

mrex said:
If they expanded our crow season you'd find a way to liken it to PA's deer problems.

You hit the nail on the head... So sick of hearing the whining from the PA crowd. Frank - please keep those comments to the huntingpa site, we don't need them here!

Monroe

COB

· #10 · Aug 19, 2007 (Edited by Moderator)

I think we ALL ought to take a year off from hunting deer in Ohio and then listen to them bitch! JMHO

Monroe

· #11 · Aug 19, 2007

I am just darn glad that I am not a deer manager. I don't think that I could handle all of the complaining. No matter what you do - you would always have someone mad at you. Kinda like having two wives. I think I will just sit back and armchair quarterback.

anon52611

· #12 · Aug 20, 2007

I dont know anything first hand about Pa's deer herd so I cant compliment on that, but I do know that all of ohio is not over populated ( the DNR even stated that themselves ) yet they are making all these extra season and bag limits a statewide thing.

It makes me think twice about our herds future.

Also if these farmers are truley hurting as bad as they act like they are then they should stop whining and let someone hunt ( or even hunt it themselves~! ) Funny thing is that I live in a huge farming county and know many many farmers and not one of them are suffering in life because of deer damage. I feel that if you know someone that is poaching deer then it is your responsibility as a hunter to turn their a$$ in even if they are a farmer. They are stealing from us hard working law abiding hunters. IF your not part of the solution then you are just part of the problem. It sounds like these "good ole boys" are just having fun plinking at deer rather then trying to save their livelyhood.

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coonskinner

· #13 · Aug 20, 2007

I DO KNOW FOR A FACT OF A COUPLE FARMERS WHO HAVE WAY TOO MANY DEER AND THEY ALLOW HUNTING BUT NOBUDDY SHOOTS THE DEER...THEY ALL WANT THE BIG BOY...:mischeif:

WILEY1

· #14 · Aug 20, 2007

Wow! Jackalope. You would have us think that the deer are eating half the farmers yield by that post. There are means of controlling your local deer herd, their called your neighbors that hunt. Farmers receive enough subsides that they make what their crop is worth. Their not supposed to be in the top 10% of the population. That's for the CEO's. The perk of being a farmer is working at home and setting your own hours. Now, before you say being a farmer is hard work I'll let you know I've worked in quite a few Midwestern States. And the farmers are always hanging around the diner longer than any of us working class stiffs. Granted "Hard" is a relative term. Two weeks in the spring and two weeks in the fall.
Buckstar25, Did your father have to hunt at night for the buck? Because as Rex was eluding to. Back in the 80's we had a one deer limit in Ohio.
Trap, Are you still playing that violin? Gee, so sorry you have to grow up during Ohio's largest deer herd in two hundred years. It must be real tough to get a deer. Try growing up when 50,000 was a big kill!
Where's the pot? I've got a spoon!

I think its great the DNR is trying to limit these kill permits. They are usually just an excuse to shoot more bucks. There are exceptions, but not alot.

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WILEY1

· #15 · Aug 20, 2007 (Edited by Moderator)

OH, by the way. Hello All!
Hey, I'm headed out to do some fishing for two-three days, so take it easy on me. I'll stir---I mean talk to y'all in a few. Hopefully with a couple of good lies.
Jackalope, Sorry for venting. But farmers need to let hunters know what they expect of them before they turn them loose on their property. If they don't want ruts, don't let them drive in. If they want a doe taken before the hunter takes a buck, let 'em know. There is no doubt that previous hunters are the biggest problem with landowners not giving permission to hunt. But most hunters just don't know how to act on there own property, let alone others. I know most farmers don't have as big a mouth as I do. But most can speak their mind. And should!

buckstar25

· #16 · Aug 20, 2007

WILEY1 said:
Wow! Jackalope. You would have us think that the deer are eating half the farmers yield by that post. There are means of controlling your local deer herd, their called your neighbors that hunt. Farmers receive enough subsides that they make what their crop is worth. Their not supposed to be in the top 10% of the population. That's for the CEO's. The perk of being a farmer is working at home and setting your own hours. Now, before you say being a farmer is hard work I'll let you know I've worked in quite a few Midwestern States. And the farmers are always hanging around the diner longer than any of us working class stiffs. Granted "Hard" is a relative term. Two weeks in the spring and two weeks in the fall.
Buckstar25, Did your father have to hunt at night for the buck? Because as Rex was eluding to. Back in the 80's we had a one deer limit in Ohio.
Trap, Are you still playing that violin? Gee, so sorry you have to grow up during Ohio's largest deer herd in two hundred years. It must be real tough to get a deer. Try growing up when 50,000 was a big kill!
Where's the pot? I've got a spoon!
I think its great the DNR is trying to limit these kill permits. They are usually just an excuse to shoot more bucks. There are exceptions, but not alot.

Mrex, Wiley, I thought for sure that Ohio tried the Antlerless permits in late 70's to early 80's. By the sounds of it I was wrong:tsk::bonk:, I will double check with him to make sure. I would still like to see something like that implimented now. Doesn't Soil and Water hand the kill permits out? Are you saying that bucks can be killed with the kill permits?

Full Rut

· #17 · Aug 20, 2007

coonskinner said:
I DO KNOW FOR A FACT OF A COUPLE FARMERS WHO HAVE WAY TOO MANY DEER AND THEY ALLOW HUNTING BUT NOBUDDY SHOOTS THE DEER...THEY ALL WANT THE BIG BOY...:mischeif:

And I know a farmer that started getting nuisance permits last year and never let anyone hunt. Wonder why hes got so many deer?:mischeif: Its his land but it makes you think.

buckstar25

· #18 · Aug 20, 2007

Mrex, and Wiley, I was wrong on the 2 deer thing (obvioulsy). Here is how it went, this was in the 70's o.k.. You bought your liscense and deer tag. You could put in for a doe tag, it was by drawing, if your name got drawn you were then able to shoot either sex. If you didn't get drawn you could ONLY shoot a buck. He said that was over in the 80's, sorry for being a bonehead!:mischeif:

Deerslayer45102

· #19 · Aug 20, 2007

I hunt on a friends land who has nuscense permit (15 deer). He is very picky and I was privilaged to get on his permit last year along with 3 other people. He keeps track and EXPECTS you to take at least 2 deer or you will not be invited back next year. He expects the quota to be filled every year. There is no better way to scout some land than hunt it all summer. Although I do not consider it hunting, lol I use a 300 winmag. But it allows me to get a feel for the deer out there and puts plenty of meat in the freezer BEFORE opening day. We always pass on the big boys and usually only take does.

buckstar25

· #20 · Aug 20, 2007

Can you take bucks with the nuisance permits? Is that up to the permit issuer? The farm next to mine had 5 permits and they were doe only. .300 win mag huh, definitely enough gun. :bouncy:

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