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[Aimrite]

Need to add Disclaimer for responsible ATV users only in the title of this forum.
Unfortunatly I find alot of ATV users are slobs. Most are too ignorant to realize, or dont care if they disrespect other hunters. I had many hunts ruined buy ATV's and see very few peolple using them responsibly.
:mad:

[flathunter]

That is the question I posted on another thread...I dont care one way or not...But I have heard many, many people complain about them.

[BottomBouncer]

Anyone who is staying on the trail shouldn't be a problem. If someone put their stand right off of the path........then it's their fault.

[george tinkham]

they are breaking the law when they are on undesignated areas in the national forest and go zooming by you in your stand.happens to often,joy riding.i was there with aimrite at poston area.lawbreakers,idiots,slobs, and pukes.it happens to often .the majority i agree ruin it for a few.ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[atrkyhntr]

I hear that.... I have seen very very few obey the rules :mad:

[catslayer]

we use them on our farm and they are great for deer hunting becuase i have really bad knees and cant clinb the hills like i used to do. but thats on my own property i would never go where other people are hunting thats just plain rudeness.

[Aimrite]

If someone put their stand right off of the path........then it's their fault.

Thanks Bottom Bouncer your statement just supports my anti ATI feelings. Most are too ignorant to realize, or dont care if they disrespect other hunters.

Use your ATV to get deer out,do any pre season work you need done. Respect other hunters around you and using your ATV to be minimal impact.
AIM

[flathunter]

They are getting much more numerous..Here in Jackson county you always saw hordes of hunters comming in the friday before gun season, lots of them were pulling campers...Now lots are pulling trailors with up to 6 atv's on them.

[Steve]

Many people here in Michigan use them to pull shanties, and their stuff out on the ice to fish. IMO no different than a snowmoblie in this case.

[flathunter]

I think the biggest problems here in Ohio are, their use while hunting on state lands, and they have made some private land unavalible for hunting because of leaving ruts etc...All being said I wish I had one:D ..I would not use it for hunting however.

[george tinkham]

aimrite.i do not agree with if you put it on the trail its your fault.i have stands at clelans and if a trespassing puke rides by me its not my fault.now if clelan comes by on a atv...no problem.and there is no excuse for pukes to have them at poston.no matter wher a stand is located.not only is it rude,the damage they caust in muddy cond. and erosion.

[BottomBouncer]

I wouldn't have asked for a ATV forum if I thought everyone was going discuss how much they dislike people who ruin their hunting.

It's just like anything else, jetskiers, people with 10 rods on the bank............all the same people, yet we don't discuss them all the time!

There are people out there that ride on designated trails. Not everyone is a jerkoff like you guys make it sound. Take it up with them:mad:

[Ðe§perado™]

Thats true BB, But having a forum you will have several different views about something, being positive or negitive. You just have to go with the flow and not get mad when people don't think the way you do or act the way you want them to. Like some people i know. LOL .. We are all here to have fun and just state our opinions. Ok, stepping down off my soap box now.;)

[Aimrite]

George you misread my post
If someone put their stand right off of the path........then it's their fault.
This is a Quote from Bottom bouncers thread.

[Ðe§perado™]

C'mon George. Put your glasses on...LOL:D ;)

[george tinkham]

oh tay...oh tay,so now i'm a goofball...heh heh,whats "QUOTE "mean?

[bucktail]

I live in Columbus but my family and I own approximately 175 acres located in Scioto County, we have had numerous problems with them meaning(4wheelers, motorcycles and off-road cars and trucks that poach wildlife) dating back to the mid to late 70's. These people have tresspassed on our land and desecrated the landscape, with ruts and mudholes that can swallow a full sized truck not to mention the trash they have littered upon us. Just recently we have been starting to enforce the no tresspassing policy, I have found that most of these people have no respect for our land whatsoever and are angry that they now risk an arrest and possible jail sentence for something that took advantage of without our permission for all these years.

My opinion of this off road stuff is, go to a designated area to ride your whatever you want to call it, your a menace to honest working and law abiding folks who don't want your unwanted appearance on their property. I don't come ride in your yard or property or poach wildlife, don't come to mine. And remember the landowner who does not want you there, by staying away. BTW, I own a 4wd truck and I don't off road on my own property, I used to hunt also but I only go now for the thrill of the stalk not the kill, I don't carry a gun. (But I'm OK with hunting), Just the trespassing that ticks me off and destruction of property that I don't like.

[george tinkham]

spread some 1 1/2 " roofing nails.

[bucktail]

I made my own by taking 5/4 decking and filling the boards with 16 penny nails and then burying them, believe me it's been pretty effective.

[MadCatter]

I don't know why everyone is flaming the atv's. I thought this was going to be a forum for them to exchange their views and opinions ... not to debate what they like to do .. Personally I don't think they have a place in hunting, other than for disabled people but I don't feel this thread was intended for that debate, I am sure we wouldn't like it if someone came into the fishing or hunting forums and started flaming... Just an observation .. But if you want we can flame them in the hunting section:D :D :D :D :D Just kidding

[Steve]

Seems that if you don't want ATV's on two tracks on National Forests, you should also ban sport utilities as well. I can't imagine a 400-500 lb machine doing more damage on a two track than a 2 1/2 ton sport ute.

[lureboy98]

I've had hunts ruined by them before as well. I don't like the ones without etiquette but those with it I don't mind ahving.

[atrkyhntr]

Steve again you have no clue about the State of Ohio... :rolleyes:

[bucktail]

I just feel a need for designated areas for them, I don't particulary like the atv's but not everyone is an irresponsible owner and tresspasses on private property. Like it has been said before 1 bad apple can ruin the bushel. There is also a plus side to them I'm sure, if anyone can give me at least 5 good reasons to ride one other than something work related, or for disabled folks getting around I'd like to hear them.

[BottomBouncer]

Probably the same good reasons people play football, basketball or baseball...........the same reasons people play pool, swim in a pool, play hockey, run track or go hiking, wrestling, jogging, tennis, soccer.................FOR FUN

I got reemed for posting my thoughts in the bowfishing forum. I don't necessarily agree with it........but oh well, the other guys like.......that's fine.

If you've ever hunting around Logan there are MILES of trails that you just can't take a truck through and it would take a day to get back to an area to hunt.

[MadCatter]

I don't have anything against people doing what they like to do, I don't have an atv so I really can't judge ... I can say this, I have been fishing all my life, I have been very fortunate to have had a boat since the age of 12 or so.. So I know first hand of how fisherman hate jetskiers and think they are mindless idiots ... I own 2 jetskis and love to ride them, I know the rules and I have total respect for fisherman because I am one, but on the water I get the looks fisherman give... I guess my point is you can't judge everyone for the mistakes of a few.. I have never seen a jetski buzz my boat or mess up my fishing, as I am sure that no one has ever seen an atv do the same to hunting .. They tend to all have riders on top of them doing the driving..:D :D :D Blame the idiots on top, not the machine underneath, and these people would find away to mess something up no matter what it was because they are IDIOTS.. The bottom line is we live in an, its all about me, screw you world right now. .... people simply just don't have any respect

[Aimrite]

you can't judge everyone for the mistakes of a few..
Its my opinion that a large majority of ATV users abuse the privilage and act like slobs. 10-1 abusers vs respectfull users from what I see.

[BottomBouncer]

If you don't like ATV's then why did you even post this thread? What has it accomplished besides pis some people off? Nothing constructive has come out of it............what was the point? Who are you to judge anyone?
There are MANY people who think ALL hunters and fisherman are white trash redneck idiots! Are you one? NO........I didn't think so. They have never experienced hunting or fishing or they base their OPINION on a few things they have seen or heard.

[Aimrite]

This is an ATV forum right, what better place to discuss how ATV abuse has negatively impacted hunting in Ohio. ATV abuse is huge problem that needs to be addressed. I base my opinion on real life experiences. Sorry if I’m not politically correct enough for you Bottom Bouncer but I tell it like I see it.
If you don’t like my post go cry to Steve. Better yet put me on your ignore list.

[BottomBouncer]

:rolleyes:

[george tinkham]

steve,no motqrizwd vehicle is allowed on the nat. forest.atv's have a few designated areas.in the old days they were allowed on national forest and dug it up pretty bad,creeks too.they had mudrun paths all over the place criss crossing and everytime a mudrun was held they needed new trails.it was a maze of trails.and these mudruns went on all times of yr.i shudder at the times i had to get off the path or get killed while trying to hunt.it was a battle for the nat. forest.thanks to erosion...atv's were finally banned from the nat.forest.but for years and still today some locals still defy the law and will zoom off from authorities when they try to apprehend them.they seem to think the forest is theirs since its their backyard.unfortunately AIMRITE witnessed this first hand this year as i turned him on to this spot in the nat. forest.after seeing a few nice deer and feeling good about the nat. forest .these slobs on atv's come in ,using 2way radio's which is illegal too.they ride right up to your stand even if you are way off the trail.they just make another trail.thats why its such a hot topic,here in ohio.

[atrkyhntr]

Its my opinion that a large majority of ATV users abuse the privilage and act like slobs. 10-1 abusers vs respectfull users from what I see.

Well said...

Just this past spring some local yocal invites 25-30 of his new friends to "ride an area" that is off limits and during spring turkey season to boot!!! :mad:
He was a dealer in the area for atv's and one of his selling points was that there was an area near there that you can ride forever & all day long... never told his customers/friends that the area was off limits!!!
After hearing us out about how they were shutting
down the hunting,
as they stopped by a store for drinks,
(ever hear 25-30 atv's rumble thru the woods?)
in an area that is off limits to motorized vehicles of any kind he said he would not take them out till after 12 so we could get our hunting in... we in turn told him that the woods would no longer be safe to ride in because we had just made it open season on any moving vehicles from that date forward.... they then must have found somewhere else to tear up :mad:

[bucktail]

I have never saw an atv rider that gave a damn about forest or private property or about what they were tearing up with the ruts and mud holes and litter.

I have been told many times that, (IT'S JUST WOODS WHAT ARE WE HURTING).

My property has an access road (easement) with a gate that runs on a ridge, (easement) the power company and the telephone company are the only legal people who is actually allowed there without mine or my family's consent.

My reasons for not wanting them on my property:

1. property damage
2. litter
3. destruction of the natural habitat along with the eco system of the animals you can't see that keeps it all together
4. poaching of wildlife (deer, turkey, grouse, or any other animal worth killing)
5. last but not least, it's my damn property I paid for it, you want a place to ride go buy your own land and you can do what the hell you want with it.

Contrary to popular opinion, I believe this forum has a need to be here, whether your in favor of ATV's or against them.

[george tinkham]

i totally agree with you bucktail on all counts.yes this topic should stay as maybe it will help educte some that may not realize the problem they are causing.and i'm sure the atvers that are law abiding have problems too with the trouble makers.all i can say is call the ranger.it took them yrs, of chasing but they did catch them in this area but after several yrs. yhey are back.

[Aimrite]

I could tell you guys horror stories that will make you cringe. Sounds like some of you have some of your own.

I would like to see them licensed, that way all we would have to do is turn in plate number to athorities. they could go right to there houses instead of chasing them.

[george tinkham]

i agree,very large #s andLETTERS so its EASY TO READ!

[atrkyhntr]

AGREE !!! :D

[BottomBouncer]

So, if this has a need to be here whether you're for or against atv's.............does that mean that any peta member or someone of the like should be allowed to post in the fishing/hunting forums?

I'm not over in the bowfishing(hunting) forum trying to make a case.........


Maybe you guys should stop in around all the camps around Logan. These camps are right in the middle of all the trails and 80% of the people hunting are using atv's simply because it would take hours to get to your hunting area. I never see any of these guys making their own trails or acting stupid. They are hunters, same as me and you. They know what should and should not be done. Just the same as boaters, the fisherman are respectful and descent. You get the guys out there with jetskis and cigar boats that don't give a fug. It's all the same.

You might as well say that all boaters are asholes too.

[george tinkham]

me and aimrite seen em blazing new trails and i can show em to anybody on this forum.so i'd say thats a fact...jack!

[bucktail]

I took a little trip today down south to see my mother, well before I got in the driveway my neighbor flagged me down to tell me a of big redneck who wants redemption for ruining a $1000.00 set of tires that got spkied while tresspassing on our property. This guy actually thinks I owe him for his tires, well he only passed 5 no trespassing signs on the way to where he got spiked and cut a tree out of the way that I felled across the path to keep people like him out.

My neighbor was very informative and told me to watch out that this guy is out to get me, I mean what the hell (5 no trespassing signs and a tree) give me a break. I'm smart enough to know when I see a no trespassing sign (the first time) and a tree cut down across the path, it means keep out. I can't believe the guy was ignorant enough to keep going, so as far as I'm concerned he got what he deserved. Now I have to watch over my shoulder everytime I go down south for some big redneck who has no repect for anyones property, and obviously can't read. Jesus whats the world coming to when you can even own property anymore and live on it in peace. I have a motto and it's called DON'T TREAD ON ME BECAUSE I DON'T TREAD ON YOU ! ! ! !

[Ðe§perado™]

I would just set up a trail timer with a camera and get his picture trsspassing and call the law. Just stay a step ahead and he will back off.

[BottomBouncer]

That's a bunch of crap.....I'd set up cameras too!!!!! If these are the sort of people that you are referring to in the above posts then I certainly agree with you. I'd tell him he's lucky that flats tires is all he had to worry about.

[george tinkham]

yup i have had that problem too.retaliation if they find out you turned them in for breaking the law.some are really shakey people to begin with.

[atrkyhntr]

Its easy to see BottomBouncer is one of the good guys... I wish there were more :(

[flathunter]

I personally knew two people who owned ATV'S....I have not seen them in several years, but they were like the guy mentioned above................They rode the woods withing a 5mile radius of their house, carried an extra gas can for long trips...They would ride along the highway, or road just far enough to escape the view of the landowner from his house.........Then head up into the woods for a day of destuction...I saw first hand the destuction of property these things can cause, they had many trails thru the woods wide enough to drive a truck thru, and they loved it when it rained and they could go "muddin" man what ruts they caused while doing there "muddin"

[Ðe§perado™]

If I caught people doing that to my property I guess they would just and to deal with the lead pellets in their butt as they ride off very fast!!:eek: :D ;)

[bucktail]

I have thought about that but I don't think I want to be Big Bubba's bunk buddy :eek: for any extended length of time at the Heartbreak Hotel, but if someone would try to assault me I would not hesitate cause this guy makes me look like David and he is Goliath. I have checked his record on Offender Search and he has served time 2 different times for aggravated assault (5 or 6 counts), and is a habitual offender with numerous types of assault charges. I mean I don't need this kind of problem, but no big dumb redneck is going to trespass on my property anytime he wants and intimidate me. It's time to take a stand......

[george tinkham]

maybe about 100 of us on here oughta pay him a visit.

[Ðe§perado™]

Well just because he served time doesn't mean nothing. I work in corrections and they try to use that to scare people. You will find that letting the local law enforcement know about his record, you will see more being done. Because they can look him up and then see what they are dealing with. Assault charges could just be someone throwing something at someone or trying to hit someone with the four wheeler, doesn't always mean hitting some one. Take pictures and record times and give them to the local cops. It will catch up to him and you will win.

[BottomBouncer]

Yeah, try to do it the right way first. If that doesn't work than let your fellow "Ohio Sportsman" know about it. I don't know just how "big" this guy is.....but I know he can't be much bigger than me(6'2 270) and from what I hear Jack is a pretty big fella. So, if intimidations is the thing I'm sure we can play along........


I say make a game out of it......I think it would be fun setting up all sorts of traps.........what's the guy gonna say? "I'm gonna sue because I trespassed!" As long as you have signs posted....and plenty of them.......whatever happens to him on your land is his fault.

[george tinkham]

it don't work like that bb yes trespassers can soo.i am for about 100 of us confronting mean boy but i'm a lil feller but i did box in the navy.

[bucktail]

Thanks for all the support, it's nice to know there are still a few fellow Americans that believe in the "Don't Tread On Me" motto. And yes it is like playing a game with them, they might outsmart me 1 time but I will be on to them like flies on a cowpile soon after. Besides I love stealth, it's the ultimate ingredient of any hunt. ;)

[BottomBouncer]

LMAO........I'd string up some cable between to trees going across the trail. That'd eat up a paint job.......:p

[george tinkham]

stealth?ain't that a bomber?