Alarming trend...

[OHBOW76]

I realize mistakes happen but I hope I am not starting to see a trend with all these button bucks taken with bows. I keep hearing that I didn't know he was a button buck. If he is within bow range I dont understand how you cant tell. First off button bucks will appear smaller than most does. If you see what you think is a doe by itself chances are its a button buck. These deer are obviously smaller than the majority, pass them up this way you wont shoot a button buck by accident. Target the bigger older does, those are the deer you should be taking out of the herd. Taking button bucks eliminates a future potential trophy buck, it also does nothing for management. If you take an older doe you have essentially removed three deer from the herd, if you take into account that she will have 2 fawns. Everyone please take the time to look the head over...it doens't take long.

[hunTer06]

why would I lie
I didnt know it was a BB. It came runnin in, I was high on adreniline, so when he gave the shot I took it. I knew the deer was small, but when your at full draw, with a camera man above you, ya gotta shoot.

If you look at my pic, the nubs were small, if I had time to check, which I didnt, I wouldn't have seen them. It was a now or never situation.

[Thunderflight]

I have no problem shooting a button buck.

[OHBOW76]

Sorry, but like I said mistakes happen, but being high on adrenaline is no excuse and neither is " you got to shoot with a cameraman above you". Dont htey teach in hunter ed to always be sure of your target. Doesn't that also include proper identification. It woudl have taken you a few extra minutes, and worse case you dont get a deer kill on camera....it wouldn't be the end of the world there is always tommorrow.

[hunTer06]

this was the first time we ever filmed a hunt!! we wanted a kill on film! Camera man or not, if I knew it was a BB, I wouldnt have shot it. Believe me

[OHBOW76]

TF, thats crazy...whats the point??? If you are going to pass on 1 1/2 yr olds and 2 1/2 yr olds then why not pass on button bucks?

[OHBOW76]

Hunter06,

I am not trying to call you out, I have nothing against you and I believe it was a mistake. I just dont feel that this emphasis on getting a kill on camera justifies it. The post was just meant to raise some concern over killing button bucks. Especially since alot of guys on this site pass up 1 1/2 yr old and 2 1/2 yr old bucks. It was just meant to get guys looking a little harder before they shoot.

[Thunderflight]

I'll tell you what an alarming trend is.

Fellow hunters chastising each other because of his or her personal views. No one should ever have to explain why they shot a particular deer.

I don't think it's crazy to shoot a button buck. Sure he's next years buck and mabye if there worn't more bucks in the area I might have a different opinion, but the bottom line is button bucks are darn good eating.

Have I passed button bucks? Sure, but only when when the fridge was full. If not then the arrow is going down range.

[OHBOW76]

My thought is why cant you just pass it up and take a doe instead? Like I said if you will pass up a small rack buck then pass up a button buck. No, the alarming trend are guys feeling the need to buy and fill as many tags as humanly possible. I love deer meat just as much as the next guy, but do you eat it everyday?

[hunTer06]

Im not taking it personal in any way
I do agree that we should be more careful but there are situations where you cant tell.

[Thunderflight]

Originally posted by OHBOW76
I love deer meat just as much as the next guy, but do you eat it everyday?

When the fridge is full yes I do.

[hunTer06]

I passed up 3 small bucks before the BB came in

[Flaming Arrow]

I see nothing wrong with taking a button buck either.

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by OHBOW76
If you see what you think is a doe by itself chances are its a button buck.
I am not saying that it is right or wrong to take a button but I can see how a mistake could be made. Remember that bucks, especially smaller ones are running together this time of year. Now if you see a group of three, two of them are spikes and one has no antlers (that you can see), then absolutely the one with out is a button. But in the off chance that 3 buttons hooked up, they are all going to be about the same size so you have no reference for comparison and in the heat of moment, it would be an easy mistake to make.

[Andy Gehle]

TF wrote:

"I'll tell you what an alarming trend is.

Fellow hunters chastising each other because of his or her personal views. No one should ever have to explain why they shot a particular deer."

Well lookie here, TF and I are in total agreement.
Since when did a hunter have to justify any kill to ANOTHER hunter? I meany hey, everyone has the right to shoot whatever they want, within the law.
We're talking bow hunting here. Some guys go all year and may only have a couple chances to kill anything, much less the deer that YOU want them to kill. If a guy wants to kill button bucks, spotted fawns, three legged does...whatever. I don't care. Shoot away. Do it ethically and legally and have fun. Take a kid and spread the word.

I have a very good buddy who is the KING of shooting button bucks. He claims that they are more tender on the dinner table. He has 4 kids and eats at least 2-3 deer a year. He hunts ethically and plays by the rules. Who the hell is anyone to argue with that?.......not ME!

[tuffshot]

I do not think that this is happening at an alarming rate, there are just more guys wanting to control the bucks antler growth.
The state of Ohio has done a pretty good job on its own managing the deer herd.

When you are young and excited any deer getting within bow range causes the shakes and just trying to settle down to make the shot is half the battle. Young hunters may take their fair share of buttons buck but I am sure they would rather shoot a bigger one. But to see the look and smile of a young hunters face after he has succeded makes it all worth while.

[Hoss5355]

I definitely agree with most here. A deer is a deer, and if you are hunting to hunt and get some meat, so be it. I got caught up into the whole "I'm going to only shoot the 160 class buck" idea, and pretty much still am there. I used to be so mad at neighbors that would shot the 2 1/2 year old 8 pt, and the button buck, but then I realized that it doesn't matter for 90% of us.

I live next to a major road, and deer get killed constantly. Big bucks, button bucks, does, it doesn't matter. They get hit and wasted. Unless you have 800 acres and can keep the deer there, who cares. If someone doesn't shoot them, they are gonna die anyway. If it's in the man upstair's eyes to let a buck grow to be 6 years old and have a huge rack, then he will do it, regardless of who is slinging arrows and slugs his way. If i get that chance to harvest that buck, so be it, I will consider myself blessed.

I know that this QDMA thing is catching on, and people are enforcing the 8 pt rule, yada yada yada. Thats fine and dandy on the hunt clubs lease of 1000 acres. On my 80 acres, it doesn't mean squat except letting that deer have the chance of making my neighbor boy crap his pants as he sits there blowing his grunt tube like an bugle elk call. I laughed all Saturday morning, but man was he trying, even in the cold and rain...:D

Kevin

[CritterGitter]

I have never shot a deer by mistake. I hope nobody else has either. It's perfectly fine to shoot a button buck. So long as it is done legally it doesn't hurt you or anyone else. It doe 0.00 damage to the deer herd. If you think of believe otherwise, then that is fine to have an opinion, but there is no scientific evidence that dictactes otherwise.

Again, TF said it best when he said nobody should ever have to justify the deer he/she chose to shoot.

CG

[Thunderflight]

Originally posted by Andy Gehle
Well lookie here, TF and I are in total agreement.

Does this mean your going to let me use my double bull blind while you and your buddy push that 170 class buck to me?;)

[Andy Gehle]

Kind of.
It means that I'll let you use that Double Bull blind and we'll set you up in this area that has a nice 3 legged, spotted fawn hanging around.

[Thunderflight]

That'll be a fine eat'n animal.:D

[Buckmaster]

All it takes is a cheap pair of binos and two extra seconds to sort out the bumps on their heads.

[OHBOW76]

The guys shooting the button bucks are the same ones that will give you a rash of crap for shooting a 1 1/2- 2 1/2 yr old deer. Seems hypocritical to me. One guy on here already took a nice buck and then goes and shoots a button buck. Its not like he couldn't be a little more selective he already had venison in the freezer. The point is its a long huntign season and if given the choice I hope most of you would pass on a button buck and take a damm doe. The same guys taking button bucks are the same ones bitching that they never have shot a nice mature buck. Well go figure................

[OHBOW76]

Amen to that buckmaster......but then again the devil made me do it, I had a guy filming me, ho wcould I tell my buddies that I let a deer walk.

[Hoss5355]

Well here is my excuse, I just got back from the store with my new crossbow and I was sitting there admiring how beautiful it was when the deer must have came up. Well I guess my $500 scent lok suit didn't work or he saw the shine off of my gold teeth, but either way he got spooked and ran right at me. I tried to use my new electronic deer call but that didn't stop him. He just kept coming and gaining speed. Heck, I didn't have time to look for bumps because I had to make sure that he was atleast in my scope before I pulled the trigger. Pulled up and saw a scope full of brown, so I let er fly....and that's my story...*note*

This post is all in fun, and I don't normally exhibit this type of behavior while I'm in the woods. I would normally wear a mouth piece to cover up my bling bling...aight...

[chopiq]

I don't have a problem with anyone shooting a button buck. If someone is hunting just for the meat why should you chastise him just because he doesn't go with your beliefs. I don't feel a hunter should have to answer to another hunter about legally taking a deer, we have enough of that from PETA and other groups. If you want to shoot only record class deer, fine but don't complain about someone else legally shooting a deer. Some people don't get out that often and might only get one shot a year. If they are after meat then all the power to them, but I do believe if you shoot a button buck then it should count against your buck tag. By the way I have passed up two bucks already this year, one within 5 yards of me. I prefer to shoot something bigger but if someone else wants to shoot a button buck then then happy hunting.

[Thunderflight]

When have I ever given someone crap about not passing up a 2.5 year old buck?

I also have plenty of chances at mature deer and I usually kill one or two button heads a year.

Now watch I'll come up this year and only see button bucks and does. ;)

[Buckmaster]

Myself and two buddies, Ron and Scott, went to deer camp this weekend. Ron and myself shot does. All Scott saw were small bucks; 4 points, 6 points, and two 8 pointers (15"-16") all within bow range with the closest at 5 yards. Scott did not see any button bucks or does all weekend long and thus didn't shoot.
Who had the better weekend of hunting? I think Scott did :)

[GobblinChimp]

I am not sure why someone would choose to shoot a button buck over a mature doe. TF, it sounds as though you prefer to shoot a button buck rather than a mature doe by your posts. I share the view people should be allowed to take (guilt-free) whatever legal deer they choose. Personally, I avoid shooting BB's on my land and all I hunt with share this view. That being said, I do see times when buttons are difficult to see at large distances or hunters become caught up in the moment and a button goes down. It makes more sense, however, to put a mature doe down if you are trying to manage your herd. Even though your neighbor doesn't buy into QDM or whatever your philosophy is, your efforts may make a difference in producing a larger buck/healthier herd. To all those who say you can't eat the horns or similar statements, how many have posted pics of mature bucks they harvested or written about the large deer they are scouting/patterning?

[Thunderflight]

Originally posted by GobblinChimp
TF, it sounds as though you prefer to shoot a button buck rather than a mature doe by your posts.

Nope, I'm just stating that I have no problem shooting a button buck. If a doe and a button buck were standing next to each other then I'd hammer the doe.

[It's Not A Passion..]

I would definitely consider myself a trophy hunter. In my perfect little world, everybody would only shoot mature bucks and does. The reality is, not everyone cares about QDM. Many hunters are just satisfied to shoot a deer, and they have every right to do so. I just hate to hear people that do shoot small bucks complain about how they don't see big bucks, and feel sorry for people that try to implement QDM on neighboring properties.

[Deerslayer45102]

I agree with shooting a button buck. I do not get many chances to hunt. Early in the season I will pass, but later I am looking to fill my tags and put meat in the freezer. Heck, I love shooting does! Am I crazy? No I just love putting meat on the table.:D

[Meister649]

My "excuse" this time is that I shot a buttonbuck because it was my first ever compound bow kill and I needed to get the monkey off my back... Another thing, I can sincerely say that when I shot I would have sworn my right testi that it was a doe... Two of them came in and stood 5ft from the tree I was in for 10 minutes or so and I scoped them out the whole time... I was looking for nubs but did not see any, so I took my shot... I dont care if somebody takes a buttonbuck, a deer is a deer, my MY PERSONAL OPINION is that if I KNOW 100% its a buttonbuck, ill let it walk in the future.. Unless its january and I have no meat in the freezer... I like the idea of QDM thus the reason why I PERSONALLY wouldnt PURPOSELY shoot a button buck... Ive shot two in my 10 years of hunting, one because I used binos on the deer and did not see any nubs, and two because I scoped two of them out for 10 minutes and had the first oppertunity with my compound... This year, even when I got up to the buck I didnt realize it was a buttonbuck untill I grabbed its head, even tho I was standing over top of it for a good minute or two checking out entry/exit wounds and things like that... So, yall can think what you want about "if you woulda takin the time to look, you wouldve known" and live in your own la la land, but not everybody has x-ray vision to see the 1/4" nubs on its head... I would shoot a mature doe as well but I have not 1 problem shooting a smaller doe or a (un-able-to-tell) Buttonbuck because im hunting it for food and its some of the best damn venison you`ll ever eat...

[OHBOW76]

The brown its down theory...boy we have come along way havent we? Like I said, if in doubt pass, button bucks are not hard to pick out, they are usually alone, especially in the rut, and are smaller than most deer. Nobody is saying the guy with limited huntign time shouldn't fill his freezer but if you already have venison in the freezer relax and take your time. God forbid you dont fill all your tags.

[Hiller]

I agree with ya OHBOW, I have killed on button buck, and that was when I was 12 years old. I have never killed on since, and I never will again. I haven't really found it hard to not notice the knobs on their heads as they are clearly visible. I don't understand why you would shoot one just becasue you had a camera rolling. Same thing happened to me a few years ago, a buddy was taping and we saw it was a button head and let him walk. If you want larger bucks to shoot at then you have to let these little guys go, so they can get bigger. I am totally against shooting these little guys and for that matter shooing the yearling does. Come on how hard is it to determine a momma from a baby. NOt real hard. I killed doe last weekend, just by taking one look at her I knew she was mature, and she was.
Later
Hiller

[wallydog1]

I Don't Consider Myself a Trophy Hunter.I Am A Deer Hunter.I pass Deer up all season for all kinds of Reasons.And I agree with TF on this one.Shoot what is legal and Don't worry about what other people think or say.If you want to Practice some type of Deer Managment then go ahead That is your Right.As far as excuse's if I shoot something small I won't have an excuse and being Good sportsman That all of you guy's are I Would not expect any Flack from anybody.Not one of you guy's hunt the area I hunt not many of you would.The Amish come thru every Gun season and Take everything that moves.I learned to use it to my Advantage to harvest a few good buck every couple of years.I will Fill all my Tags like I do every year and I will Make the decision based on Circumstances.Considering all the reply's there is a mixed bag of Opinions and we all have to accept what is legal to do and not jump anybody that see's it different than you or I or we do.Putting hunters down for what they use or what they take as long as it is legal is just Wrong.

[CStan]

Seems like no one can go hunting anymore without having to apologize to someone for some perceived transgression. To each his own, just have fun.

[Thunderflight]

Originally posted by CStan
Seems like no one can go hunting anymore without having to apologize to someone for some perceived transgression. To each his own, just have fun.

Amen

[tuffshot]

The funny thing is that in Ohio you are in the first stages of QDM.
Part of it is too cull some of the smaller and poorly developed racked bucks. QDM does not just mean shoot the biggest buck only.;)

[It's Not A Passion..]

Yeah, we're not talking about cull deer here though. We're talking about shooting young deer, not mature deer with small racks.

[tuffshot]

INAP,

In some parts of the country button bucks were cull deer and so are some of the younger ones. Button bucks used to be concidered infierior deer. Yes, there is a better understanding of antler growth now then there was in years past but changing old habits and beliefs will be a slow and painfull process.

From the big buck that I have seen and heard of being killed here in Ohio it has had very little effect on the bigger buck population.

I like to hunt the late muzzleloader season because you can usually see some of the bigger ones that have made it thru the season and will be even bigger next year. When it used to be in Mid January alot of the bigger bucks were killed off because they had already dropped the racks. And now that it is just after Chrismas I have still found a few fresh sheds or seen some that have lost one side.

[bowhunter1023]

Hey hunTer06...Congrats on getting a bow kill on camera! Me and the Old Lady have been trying for a while now and can't seem to make it happen. We have button buck on film that would have been dead if it would have presented a shot.

That would be our first kill on camera, her first with a bow, and her first "buck". Not only would we get those wonderful memories, but I think that deer would have assured that I would have a new hunting partner for life. If she can connect on ANY deer with her bow, I know she will be addicted to this fine sport.

But I guess according to OHBOW76, none of those reasons are reason enough to shoot a button buck! Not everyone has to follow your priciples of QDM OHBOW76.

Meat is meat, and getting someone new involved in this sports is worth a new world record, or a button buck like hunTer06 was able to harvest.

[Meister649]

I still dont and wont feel bad about killing the buttonbuck that I harvested the 2nd day of the season... 1. First oppertunity presented to me while using a compound for the first time... 2. I COULD NOT TELL that it was a buttonbuck (it wasnt alone nor did I see its pinky sized peter), and it looked small and the same size as all the other deer I seen (a spike included)... 3. If I cared what people thought about me and my decsions, I would probably have already turned the weapon on myself!... Im especailly not critisizing anyone for what they think (about NOT shooting buttonbucks), because thats YOUR personal opinion and everyone is intitled to their own, and I respect that... However, I will not feel bad about sharing my own opinion... If it disagrees with someone elses, so be it! That doesnt make them or myself a bad PERSON, just a reasonable difference in opinion... I hate to get on these forums (specially this one, being that its the best ohio hunting forum there is!) and read everybody arguing like kids over a small difference in opinion... Yes, some controversy is good, but sometimes I think its just time to realize that not everybody sees eye-to-eye and congratulate each other no matter what animal is harvested LEGALLY...

[GobblinChimp]

I am reading the comments of some of the posters on this thread and then looking at the pictures beneath their names. If the rack size does not matter to you, why do you post pictures of mature bucks rather than a doe or button buck? You can say it as often as you want, but just about every one of us would choose a large buck out of a crowd of deer to harvest. Hell, I grew up in KY when you could only kill one buck and does were untouchable. I have more "crap racks" (as some of my hunting friends refer to them) on my wall than most I imagine. My friends have convinced me to hold off on the smaller bucks and take mature does. Within a season or 2, we are consistently killing 110-120+ bucks. I killed my first button buck (out of a group of 3 antlerless deer) last year mistaking it for a doe at about 100 yards with a .270 (in KY). I make no apologies for it, it happens. I sat on my stand last year in SE OH and watched a deer below me for about 20 minutes and finally determined it was a button buck - the deer had the smallest buttons I had ever seen. I think the purpose is not to find fault or place guilt, but to have a conversation about why people shoot button bucks rather than mature does. Wally and TF both say they a see lot of mature deer but still kill button bucks. The question is why not choose a mature doe? If you say you don't care about antlers, you hunt for meat - nobody should have a problem with that. It just seems a little odd saying that next to a picture of a mature buck. I was a hard sell on this philosophy, but I have seen it work!

[hunTer06]

Thanks bowhunter1023

There were alot of first with that button buck. It was my first kill on camera, my first compound kill, first day of season, and first button buck kill.


OHBOW says that people who shoot BB's complain cuz they never kill a nice one. WELL TAKE A LOOK IN THE GALLERY. Proved ya wrong.

and whoever it was that said that it is wrong to choose a BB over a doe, I repeatedly said that I would have much rather killed a doe than a BB. I honestly could not tell it was a BB when I shot it.

[wallydog1]

GobblinChimp,
Since Your post is Directed at me.What the heck are you talking about.I never said it did not matter and I never said I am Just a meat Hunter so do not put words down that I did not say.That is BS. what I post as pics has no bearing on my post and is just a pic of what I consider a nice deer that i worked very hard for.If you want to see some of those pics that you are Talking about I'll send them to you along with some other nice bucks that I Have been lucky enough to kill.Now for the Back seat Deer managers on this forum that Want everyone to harvest Mature does.Doe's it make sence to take older does ( 2 to 4 years )That are better Breeders for passing on genes that are proven and are most likely to Give birth to 2 fawns 1 Buck 1 Doe or let the yearling doe with no Track record breed that will Drop one offspring most likely if they make it thru the winter.I don't know. I will Shoot the little one given the Circumstances at that time. Like how far away from the truck or what time of the season.Leave the harvest Qouta up to the real experts And take what is legal.They have done a very good job in this state.Big Bucks are what most people want to kill and yes I am one of them.But I'am not a Trophy hunter and Do not Pretend to be I Am a Deer hunter.So now that I have opened myself up for the on slot of Abuse that surely will come.Use any Weapon you want.I am also pro choice of weapons that could be used.

[OHBOW76]

First off button bucks are not considered cull deer and never have been, spikes maybe but not buttonbucks, there is a big difference. And the whole spike theory has gone out the window in recent years.Most buttonbucks are late born male fawns. The point is whether you shoot big racks or small racks, let the damm thing grow a year at least. One of the problems they have in PA right now is they have antler restrictions which are great, but they have a damm early antlerless muzzleloader season for the general public, and a early antlerless rifle season for youth hunters and senior liscence holders. This hunt takes place in October and people just blaze away, so many button bucks are shot during this season its ridiculous. Come general rifle season end of NOV, beginning of DEC. these same guys are bitching because they aren't seeing any bucks. Well no kidding becasue they were all eliminated in the early season the year before. This years button bucks are next years basket racks. My issue is with guys saying they purposely shoot buttonbucks, if given a choice....WHY! Whether you are a QDM guy or not it doesn't make sense.

Hunter06 the only thing that justifies it is it was your first bowkill ever. Other than that, first day of season, first buttonbuck (now there is a lofty goal), and this first on camera (what is this obsession with the camera? What next you goin to shoot anything that moves just because it wil be on camera) are all crappy reasons.

[Jimmy]

OHBOW,

You ask why shoot button bucks. I think most people have been pretty clear about it. Nobody has been "targeting" BBs. They either come by and they shoot them or they don't know that it is a BB. It's all read quite simple to me.

I understand how you feel and know what your saying. I myself have never even seen a BB. I'm on my 6th year of hunting and maybe it's just the areas I hunt that I've never seen one......I don't know. But relax, my friend. Worry about yourself and what you are trying to do in your area. You can't possibly get everyone's story about what, where and why they shoot what they do.

Just get out there and enjoy the outdoors. :D

[Andy Gehle]

90% of the people participating on this thread have an amazing knack for missing the point.

Here's the point:
Some guys are rack hunters. Some guys are meat hunters. Some guys are QDM hunters.
Whatever choices you've made for yourself, does not give you the right to be judgemental on others who have made different choices.

Basically, don't be an a-hole to people who do things differently than you.

I'm a rack hunter. I'll only shoot a mature buck. I also shoot does. But not for a second would I look down on someone who acts differently....as long as it's legal and ethical.

And who cares, anyway. Deer are not migratory. So unless this BB shooting happens on YOUR land, why the hell would you even care?

[jeffmo]

"Hunter06 the only thing that justifies it is it was your first bowkill ever. Other than that, first day of season, first buttonbuck (now there is a lofty goal), and this first on camera (what is this obsession with the camera? What next you goin to shoot anything that moves just because it wil be on camera) are all crappy reasons."


the problem is that waaaay too much value is put on rack size these days.face it,if someone's not the least bit interested in rack size what does it matter if he legally takes a button buck or not?his reasons, simply put,are just that,his reasons!
it's really no ones place to put THEIR values of what they consider a shooter deer onto another hunter.
ohbow76,i've looked all over the internet and can't find it so would you be so kind and send me the copy of "rack recipes"
life's short.looking back,there's several seasons where i would have like to have had the chance at a button buck!

[Jimmy]

Originally posted by Andy Gehle
90% of the people participating on this thread have an amazing knack for missing the point.

Here's the point:
Some guys are rack hunters. Some guys are meat hunters. Some guys are QDM hunters.
Whatever choices you've made for yourself, does not give you the right to be judgemental on others who have made different choices.

Basically, don't be an a-hole to people who do things differently than you.

I'm a rack hunter. I'll only shoot a mature buck. I also shoot does. But not for a second would I look down on someone who acts differently....as long as it's legal and ethical.

And who cares, anyway. Deer are not migratory. So unless this BB shooting happens on YOUR land, why the hell would you even care?

That's pretty much what I said........only I didn't say "a-hole". :D

[bowhunter1023]

Just to answer your question GobblinChimp, that buck is one that I'm proud of because that is the first deer I have hunted specifically and ended up tagging.

I'm equally proud of my deer, regaurdless of size. Some deer just create a more memorable moment/hunt than others.

[COB]

I think the Alarming Trend here is person can not express an honest opinion with out a bunch of folks jumping square in the middle of their back! Sound just another site I know of. JMHO

[jeffmo]

cob,that's kinda what i was thinking too! just like bowsite huh?????:rolleyes:

[Jimmy]

I like vanilla ice cream. Anyone got a problem with that??

[Jimmy]

Originally posted by COB
I think the Alarming Trend here is person can not express an honest opinion with out a bunch of folks jumping square in the middle of their back! Sound just another site I know of. JMHO

So, COB........what's your opinion??

Don't fly in here and criticise others without giving your own opinion. JMHO

[COB]

My opinion is I'm trying to be a kinder gentler Curusty Ole B@$tard and you won't let. That what I think about that! ;) :D
Vanila is for old women and sissies! CHOCOLATE all the way!

[Jimmy]

Originally posted by COB
My opinion is I'm trying to be a kinder gentler Curusty Ole B@$tard and you won't let. That what I think about that! ;) :D
Vanila is for old women and sissies! CHOCOLATE all the way!

I like vanilla WITH chocolate syrup!! :p

[hunTer06]

I can't believe somone would have the nerve to tell someone else what they can and cannot shoot. I was very proud of my BB, and felt a great sense of accomplishment when I found it. Sure I was a little ticked that it wasn't a doe, but I had the time of my life that morning.

Me shooting a button buck isn't gonna affect the deer management on your property so don't worry about what I'm shooting.

[Flaming Arrow]

And you should be proud of your button buck too. Very few true bowhunters actually kill an animal.

[COB]

Flame you sound like that sissy jimmy! :D :p :) ;)

[Flaming Arrow]

COB I'm just an old bowhunter who is trying to get by.

[Jimmy]

Originally posted by COB
Flame you sound like that sissy jimmy! :D :p :) ;)

That was just mean.

I've never called you old and decrepit, have I?

[Thunderflight]

Better watch out. You don't want old COB after ya.;)

[Jimmy]

He's been after me for weeks. And it's not for my girlish good looks :eek:

[OHBOW76]

Flaming arrow very few bowhunters shoot an animal? Where do you hunt? If you remotely know what your doing its not that hard. As far as the guy who made the comment about no recipes for antlers, you cant even call what a buttonbuck has as antlers. Want to really shoot a trophy shoot a mature doe, like I said whether you believe in big racks or not, and most guys on here would be happy with a big rack its why they hunt, so dont tell me otherwise. So how do you think Ohios deer herd would be if everyone went out and shot buttonbucks? Buttonbucks= tomorrows trophys......Like I said if you want meat shoot soem of the damm does running around, it does more for population control than shotting buttonbucks that aren't even weaned.

[Lance]

Here are some Ohio numbers to backup Flaming Arrows comments regarding bowhunter succes rate in Ohio for the 2003 season.

Deer hunter success rates: 32 percent.

Number of bowhunters: Approximately 200,000.
Bowhunter success rates: 16 percent

Number of muzzleloader hunters: 200,000.
Muzzleloader success rates: 11 percent.

Number of firearm hunters: 400,000.
Firearm success rates: 28 percent.

Bow hunting is a lot like fishing. Only about 10 catch most of the fish and it's not too different with this. Ohiobow76, Obviously probably in that very successful minority and what's simple to you isn't always so to someone else, even when they do the legwork and all. Some people just have a knack for getting into the right situations to take game. Based on these numbers it's awfully difficult to find fault for what someone takes with a bow.

[Flaming Arrow]

Thank you Lance.

[Andy Gehle]

One last time OHBOW76......you shoot what you want and others will shoot what they want. This aint PA. We don't wipe out 70% of our bucks every year. The ODNR does a great job of managing the herd without your intervention. So LET IT GO and zip it up, dude.

Plus, they should have taught you in nursing school that it takes more than 2 occurrances to constitute a trend.

[swantucky]

You guys crack me up!!! I have shot buttons in the past by mistake but try to avoid it when posssible. I have hunted with a bow for almost 25 years and I usually have to really look 2 or 3 times to identify one. Some of you folks must have super vision!!
Killing a deer with a bow, any deer is an accomplishment in my book and for anyone to beat someone down because of the size, sex, or maturity level other than in good fun is just b.s. To each his own within the law.
Some of you need to join an exclusive hunt club so you can control every deer taken....untill then leave the rest of us alone.
By the way I was really temped to take a trophy button last night 4 yards from my stand. The "buttons" had to be a good 3", I have never seen buttons that big! lol

[Thunderflight]

I think you'll find that we are the minority when it comes to bowhunting success.

Most folks don't put even half the time and dedication into it was we do.

[hunTer06]

I found that to be true

[Nut]

Guess I will have to shoot a button buck with a crossbow now. and then post the pic:D :rolleyes:

[hunTer06]

now THAT would piss some people off

[Nut]

Originally posted by hunTer06
now THAT would piss some people off


Hey it comes natural to me.:D

[WVcat]

who is get sick of OHBOW76 BS. Who is he to tell someone to hunt and what to take.

Dan Fitzgerald has the best saying

IF IT BROWN IT DOWN


http://www.ohiosportsman.com/photopost/data/500/166135532icon4-thumb.JPG

[GobblinChimp]

Everyone, relax. A few casual observations about this thread. OHBOW will never succeed as a politician! Many people on this site have very thin skin. A lack of dissenting views makes for a boring discussion. Insulting someone certainly does not put you or your argument in a better light. Some people pass on their beliefs as fact. This topic is interesting but I think we can all agree this discussion has run its course. I think this is an interesting article and supports a middle of the road path in regards to button bucks, I think this where most people on this site stand. http://espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/s/c_fea_QDMA_button_buck_biology.html

[eschatts]

I think that it is time to close this one down.

Ed