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Spitfire
06-21-2005, 08:34 AM
It all came back to me as I watched my grandson play a shooting gallery game where both bucks and does were present to be shot. My grandson made several good shots on does, and a youngster watching him began to berate him for killing a doe.

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I was surprised that a youngster of six or so years old would be so set in his ways as to scorn my seven year old grandson for killing a doe. Obviously someone has influenced this future hunter’s opinion and taught him that doe are not all right to kill.

I have killed a great many deer in my time as a deer hunter, and I can truthfully say some of my most exciting hunts have be the result of shooting does. A smart mature doe can be every bit of a challenge as a buck at times. After all who do you think teaches the younger deer all the tricks and responses to evade outsiders? The does teach the little ones to be weary and grow up to be big bucks and very well educated does.


I wish I had a dollar for every time a smart and alert doe has busted me. I had one old gal that I hunted in particular and had promised if I could kill her I was going to have her head mounted and put up on the wall with my trophy bucks. She was smart, adaptable and knew every trick in the book. Long story short I was never able to kill that doe. She was huge and seemed to always know exactly what yardage and where to go to stay out of range for my bow or gun. For all I know she is still out there. I like to think of her as an excellent doe to produce great offspring by mating with a good buck in the area. Because of her size and intelligence she should throw some great fawns and potential great deer. In that respect I am glad I was never able to take the old girl. Though there were times I really disliked her for always outsmarting me or leading deer away from my stand.

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I for one am proud of every deer that I have ever shot be it doe, buck, or yearling. I enjoy the fresh healthy meat from the animals and a good doe or yearling will produce great table fare. This is not to say a buck won’t provide the same things however. I hear so many saying they do not want a buck to eat but personally I have never shot a buck that was not good table fare. Preparation of the animal quickly after the kill is a key to getting good tasting venison.

We know now that killing does is a good management practice as well as a means to keep the herd to a perfect buck to doe ratio. This is good for the herd and keeps it healthy and strong.

Some tactics that work on does is to ambush them coming and going to food sources. Sometimes a bleat call with draw them in during early season and I have actually called them to within shooting distance with a regular grunt call.

All in all never hang your head in shame at taking a doe. All deer are trophies and a hunter never needs to apologize for taking a doe or even a yearling. The meat is great off of these animals and the hunt can be most challenging. Does are fair game and as such should be regarded as an animal well worth the effort to hunt.




Duffy
06-21-2005, 08:42 AM
Good article!

countyroad
06-21-2005, 09:11 AM
Good read. Old does are just as hard to kill as old bucks.

Caribou Dreamer2
06-21-2005, 09:38 AM
Good reads

Buckmaster
06-21-2005, 09:39 AM
Nothing shameless about shooting a doe. I've changed my tactics and philosphy now with the booming deer populations in Ohio. I let the fawns, button bucks, and all bucks under 130" walk. I harvest does first then target mature bucks for the balance of the season. Patience and a good pair of binos are the ticket.

countyroad
06-21-2005, 10:15 AM
Same here buckmaster. I've taken it upon myself to shoot a healthy doe the first chance I get THEN focus on a buck. Last year I had my doe tagged by 8:45 on opening morning.
My dad has the same philosophy. Last year we took 4 doe and 2 buck together.

Buckmaster
06-21-2005, 12:36 PM
I agree. If I harvest 3 does in a given season I see it as more positive and productive in my area then harvesting 2 does and a 120" eight pointer. Antlers are getting more and more meaningless to me every year except if I saw Brad's deer walking in front of me. In that case, it would be very meaningful and arrow or sabots would be flying. Our camp last year took 12 does and 4 bucks under TQDM methods.

mrjbigfoot
06-21-2005, 03:05 PM
Very well stated spitfire & the pictures were a nice addition. My son has the Deer Hunter computer game & Cabela's big game hunter for the pc & ps2 and I find it interesting that you pointed out the buck only perception your son's friend had because after reading this, it made me think that all those games are targeted at bucks/racks only & they may even fine you for shooting a doe. I know if you shoot something your not supposed to, like a bear, in a restricted area, on big game hunter, the game warden pops up & reads you your fine. I know that my son knows better because he's been out in the woods with me & he knows that taking does is very much a part of the process of managing the heard. Besides all that, he loves to eat the meat & could care less if it's buck or doe...LOL! He gets on me all the time to make more Jerky...LOL!

CountryGirl
06-21-2005, 09:50 PM
They all taste the same to me! I see it as tenderloins, steaks, roasts & grind that I can make anything I would out of ground beef. I normally prefer to marinate venison more than I do beef or pork but it ends up tasting great off the grill or out of the oven.

Duffy
06-22-2005, 08:04 AM
Hey, CountryGirl, you're alright!

mrjbigfoot
06-22-2005, 11:50 AM
Yes, she is! She's my better half & even though she doesn't like to hunt, she likes to eat almost all the wild game I've ever brought home and she loves to fish!

Duffy
06-22-2005, 12:59 PM
Good deal!

Brad Jerman
06-26-2005, 10:47 PM
Great article!

I don't remember telling you all about my 2nd check station experience this past year, but during gun week I went over to Wayne National like I always do...

I shot two mature does on day 2 and had them in the back of a friend's pickup at the check station later that afternoon... The guy working the station had just put the permanent tags on and I was standing there talking to my friend.

Along comes this guy and his buddy to inspect the feet sticking up; "watcha got there?", "oh... just a couple of does...", "I wouldn't have shot those!". My friend busted out laughing and was teeing up the retort on the guy, but I told him to save his breath. I was tired and simply didn't want to go there at that time.

We just laughed it off, but later over supper we discussed how statements like those show how ignorant some people are to what wildlife management was all about. That mentality hurts us all in the end. I believe it is the obligation of capable hunters to harvest as many does they can utilize (of course within tag limits). I should have taken the time and pain to try and educate the guy a bit. Whether he would have listened or not I don't know.

We can really only control our actions, so for me, I will continue to share in the celebration of whatever game the hunter has harvested. I will try to encourage and build as much self esteem as possible in other hunters. Not only in our younger hunters but us older guys need that positive reinforcement as well.

We all hear so much junk, that it is refreshing to see others excited for us. Check station macho men need not apply.

Spitfire
06-27-2005, 05:58 AM
I second that Brad!!

countyroad
06-27-2005, 04:25 PM
Brad's story reminds me of a story posted on here last deer season by someone else. At a check station a "hunter" looked into a truck and seen a young boy's first deer that wasn't a "huge buck" and the "hunter" laughed at the younger boy. The OS.com member, rather than say something to the "hunter", he went and congratulated the young boy on his harvest. The young boy's father thanked our fellow OS.com member. It's a shame how people can be.