Waterloo

[chopiq]

I'm new to this site, but I think I read in one of the posts that some of you camp at Waterloo during gun season. If thats the case I need to buy you all a beer. I hunt on private property on the other side of Waterloo, and it seems that as the hunters come in from Waterloo they drive alot of deer our way. There is one area where it bottlenecks into a valley on our side of the hill and every year we see alot of deer being pushed our way. It sounds like alot of deer are shot before the get to us but we always get a deer being pushed to us. If you all hunt at Waterloo next year I'll have to come up at visit you with a 12 pack.
Also Uncle Bucks sells beer during the early part of deer season until it gets to cold.

[OLDHAT]

You waterloo boys kill me (symmes valley hunh!)...hehehe i graduated from Rock Hill.

Anyway, that part of the Wayne is considered the "waterloo section".....that's eve off route 93 and into Gallia, Jackson & Lawrence counties....or it is also called the Ironton district.

I been thinking about putting on a bow hunt or turkey hunt for some of the fellas on here...I am pretty familiar with the Indian creek area (off Dry ridge/Collie Creek/ Brushy Buckeye etc). Your welcome to join in if we can get enough guys to go hunting one day...actually the Telegraph ridge area to tell you the truth around the old "Sheritts Farm".

What's your name?

Oldhat

[chopiq]

Old Hat, I might be talking about another area near Waterloo. The place I hunt on is right beside the big cliff they call Lookout Rock and near the train tunnel called Moonville tunnel. It is off of King Hollow road and near Racoon Creek. The guy who owned the property was Woody Woodruff. We used to stay at his house until he died a few years ago. The campgrounds at Waterloo I'm thinking off is off of 56 or 356 I think. Oh yeah my names John. I would be intrested in doing a hunt in that area. I think now that Woody died Uncle Bucks is buying the property for horses and that would end our hunting there.

[Spitfire]

Our group has never gun hunted the Waterloo area. We have been talking with Oldhat about a hunt at Indian Creek and maybe a Turkey Hunt. Never did a gun hunt down that way though, but you can still buy us a beer we won't mind.

We have hunted up on King Hollow Road, but that was early season bowhunts and I think a couple of us hunted coon creek once but that was also an early season outing.

[Spitfire]

We have been to Lookout Rock and Moonville Tunnel. I won't be going back to that damn Tunnel again I can tell ya that right now. We had a bad experience there one night. Can't get into the details on here. We might be able tell the story at Deer Camp around the campfire though.

[george tinkham]

Used to play Waterloo in Basketball and Baseball back in the 60s.We always won.I was a Indian.GUess what school I attended.

[OLDHAT]

Dunno about that, but can you remember the "Waterloo Wonders"?

If you can, then your a day older than dirt!

[george tinkham]

Yes I remember the waterloo wonders but that ain't the same waterloo as in A thens county.They were good enough to beat the pros and the globetrotters.

[OLDHAT]

hehheheh BV..ooops I mean George, you are "older than dirt" I see!

Yeah, the town of Waterloo I am speaking of is in Gallia/Lawrence county area...right off Symmes Creek off rt 141.

Yep them "Wonders" sure were something!



Hey George, you ever hunt that "bow hunting Only" area only off of Racoon Creek? Just wondering, I had a buddy's buddy hunt it and take a nice 10 the 1st day he hunted it.

Oldhat

[Spitfire]

Where is that "bowhunting only area" by coon creek?

[Caribou Dreamer2]

I also wouldlike to know alittle more about this bowhunting area only by raccoon creek, not sure where you are at,I know were raccoon creek is where abouts it this piece of ground.Spiter raccoon creek is the creek we waded across that year did you see a area like this.

[Q2XL]

might be able to get some crawfish in racoon creek.there are probably some in there. :cool:

[Dear_Hunter]

Hey Guys


Watch out for the claws on the crawfish if you are planning on picking up a few for camp. They do pinch a might, catch them as they will run backwards not forward. :D

[george tinkham]

ratcoon creek is dead water but coming back.

[rjolenic]

Hey chopig,

I think I know exactly where you're hunting. I have hunted Waterloo for the past 5 years at deercamp (archery) and have had limited success, but that's only because I still don't fully understand how to hunt the hills. If you take Kings Hollow over the old "rickity bridge", your hunting off the the right in kind of a weatlands area that butts up to Waterloo, correct? As a matter of fact, there's a guy who lives on the Waterloo side of the road that holds a turkey camp for hunters every Spring, do you know the house and long white barn I'm talking about? We stopped after my buddy shot a seven point in Waterloo a few years back and talk to those guys for a while. I love that Waterloo area. The beer sounds good, maybe next November we can hook up.

rjo

[Spitfire]

I remember that area but it was you that waded it not me. I found a spot to walk across & not get soaking wet. Ray described it to a tee, looks as though he has been there also.

[george tinkham]

I have found that the best way to cross this ratcoon creek is by cutting a grapevine and swing across.Trouble is it is so crooked and winding you are always crossing it.Oh by the way anybuddy know the population of plugtown ?

[Caribou Dreamer2]

Plug town never heard of it ,Is that were that little store is at.

[chopiq]

Yeah rjolenic, that sounds like the place I hunt. At that old bridge, which is really narrow and then turns sharp, is the house we used to stay at. I think that house you are talking about is a hunting club which some guys from Columbus own. The place is full of people during gun season. The wetlands is private property on both sides the road but it butts right up to public property. Sounds good about the beer. Oldhat where is the bow hunting only area? I bow hunt down there but never seen bowhunt only area. We stayed at the Lake Hope cabins this year during gun season on Thursday, Friday and Saturday night.

[OLDHAT]

Chopig:

That's what I was asking George. There is an area there but it is only 700 acres from what I have been told. I asked "GEORGE", because he is probably more familiar with that area than I am.

That area you guys call "WATERLOO" is no the same "Waterloo" that I am familiar with. Mine is about 30 or 40 miles South East from that area.

Only thing I really know about Racoon Creek, is that I took a 14 mile (?) canoe trip down it that started around Bob Evans Farm. I was pitifully drunk about 1 mile into the trip and the last 13 miles was a nightmare...we had a "4 rows and then you had to drink" type thing going on, (stupid man beer game). There were 8 of us and 4 canoes with 6 cases of beer. Needless to say we were out of beer when we were done.

But, that was in my younger days.

There is an area though, guess I'll have to ask my Buddy's Buddy.
I think it is a "park" on the creek somewhere.

ALL:

Got my 1st role of film from my game cam developed today....3 does, 2 button bucks and a 3 legged 6 point. I seen that 3 legged six point just abot every time I was on the stand this year..poor ol deer, no leg, cut clean right at the shoulder blade.....looks to me like the leg was "froze" at birth with how there is no "leg" at all there. It was actually somewhat funny in a sense watching him come around the hill when I'd see him....I'd always see his rack "bouncing" up and down before I'd ever see his body. It's his front leg.

I also seen an 8 pt "roll him" after sparring (actually getting it on) w/another 6 pt. The 6 and 8 went at it for 45 minutes, while poor ol 3 leg was trying to suck down as many acorns as he could. Well, I thought foresure the 6 or 8 was gonna seriously hurt each other, well, the 6 pinned the 8 one time, and the 8 took about a 20 yard run (I guess he was emabarrased) and charged the 3 legged buck and knocked him on his butt. I actually got a little PO'd at the 8 point and thought to myself "yeah, ol 3 leg would probably laugh at you if I stuck and arrow in you about right now"...anyway, all of this went on within 40 yards of my stand adn at one point, the normal 6 and 8 were at the bottom of my tree fighting. Was the first time I had actually witnessed a knock down drag out fight. I've seen some "love tappping" going on, but never anything like this. None of the bucks were dominant (the 8 might score 90-100 and he was the biggest).

You guys ever see some bucks actually "get into it" like that before? One of the wildest thiings, was right before they started, both the 6 and 8 sniffed on each other, took a few steps back, and right before the started, both bucks had every hair on their body standing up..was kind aweird looking.

well, am rambling again!

OLDHAT

[george tinkham]

old hat. T here was a book written on the waterloo wonders.Very good.When they got to the State championships the 1st yr. at St. Johns arena.They would eat hotdogs,drink pop and eat popcorn while taking a rest on the bench because they were so far ahead.One player on a full court breakaway,headed for the basket ,dribbled past it and out of bounds then dribbled out the door.They were staying at a local hotel and were up most the night just riding the elevators up and down because they never seen anything like it before.They wound up as a pro team when they left school.They were very successful here too.They were just a bunch of farm boys.

[rjolenic]

Not sure I caught that book George, and I've read plenty of books on sports since it's my job. Anyways, if you come across the title of the book shoot it our way so we can check it out. I bet it would be a hoot to read about how those boys rode those elevators through the night.

rjo

Can't wait to get back down to Waterloo! ;)

[george tinkham]

try the internet,it might show.sadly i don't know what happened to my copy.oh it could possibly be in the library too.that is how i heard about the waterloo wonders in the 1st place,the book

[george tinkham]

oh and another interesting think about basketball back in those days is everytime a basket was made there would be a jump ball at center court to restart the game.

[BottomBouncer]

Okay......now which Waterloo are we talking about here? The Waterloo Wonders Waterloo or a different Waterloo? If it's the Wonders Waterloo then that is where my grandpa grew up and went to school with the Wonders. Even has a book that tells all about them. He drove me around the area, looks pretty good.

[OLDHAT]

The waterloo I am talking about (the little town of waterloo...maybe 1/10 of a mile long) sits smack dab on Symmes Creek on Rt 141 between Arabia and Cadmus. Waterloo is in Lawrence cnty and a few undred yards down the road is Gallia County.

That's the waterloo I am talking about.

Oldhat

[george tinkham]

there is a waterloo in athens,county too but this is not where the waterloo wonders came from.

[OLDHAT]

Alright, I'll look into the "Bowhunting Only" area off of Racoon creek. The guy that killed a 10 pt there is "a friend of a preacher man" I know. Although I don't get to church much, I just might have to attend and ask this question:

"Tell Me Brother Triplet where excatly is that "bowhunting only" spot (700 acres) off of Raccon creek". and hopefully then, it will "come to pass" and hopefully I can get outta that dang church before the roof caves in on top of me.

Second idea.....now, I am a pretty open minded guy in taking time to show fellow hunters around on "the wayne", but now....wait wait wait...hear me out here....Let's say he tells me exactly where it is (and I am sure he will he hunted it also), then what if I go scout it out and decide that I have stumbled onto a "honey hole" that hardly no ones knows about......

DO YOU THINK I'D TELL YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Hope you fellas understand. Sure, I'll find out where it is, and I'll let you know when I find out...what I might not let you know, is where it IS!....

AND THEN IT CAME TO PASS!

I mean really, it's only suppossed to be 700 acres, hell I hunt about 50 acres more than that of private land where I am the only hunter (period)....that even gets crowded!

hehehehehehehehe!

Oldhat......."Mums the word!".

[OLDHAT]

Alright, we have it established..there are 2 different distinct towns in Southern Ohio that are called "WATERLOO".....if you want to see mine on the map, follow RT 35 from Jackson towards Gallipolis (spoken: GAH- LAP- O- LIS..hehehe)anyway before you get into GAH LAP O LIS (hhehe that's funny)...you will se RT 141 heading south west off of rt 35...............well see "Cadmus" down the road a few miles on rt 141? The next town below that is WATERLOO...it' sets on the banks of the mighty 99 mile creek called Symmes!! From Waterloo, it's about 15 minutes (west) to where "Indian Creek" is located (discussed area on another thread). Actually you see the rd at Waterloo that comes out of the east right around waterloo..well, out that road (dirt) is Indian Creek.).

Oldhat

[BottomBouncer]

The Symmes creek waterloo is the one I'm talking about.

[OLDHAT]

BottomBouncer

I was born and raised in "that area"...what's the last names of your relatives that came from that area?

Oldhat

[BottomBouncer]

Last name is Hall. My grandpa, his sisters and mom moved up to Columbus I believe while my grandpa was still in high school, so this would have been in 1937 or so that he lived down there. The old white house they lived in was still there when we drove through several years ago, probably still there today.

[OLDHAT]

Lots of "Halls" that are scattered all over that area. Your probably related to all of them. I went to school with a few myself.

Never know, you probably have "long lost" family that own a few hundred acres....I'd be looking them up...might find ya a honey hole to hunt on private property!

Oldhat

[BottomBouncer]

Do you happen to know of a cemetary, in that area. It's on top of a hill....really old. I know that's a pretty vague description...any ideas?

[WickOhio]

There is a cemetary at the top of the Lake Hope cabins

[george tinkham]

its also called new marshfield,the one in athens county.

[Spitfire]

Hey Wick, isn't that the cemetary headed up to the cabins on your right?

[BottomBouncer]

I'm gonna have to make a trip down there, I can't remember where half of what I'm talking about is located:rolleyes: :p

[OLDHAT]

Bottom Bouncer/ALL:

Hehehehee, almost every hill in that area has a cemetary on it! Here is what the "old timers" used to do/why they had cemetary's on every hill...and it's pretty simple really.........................
A.) Closer to God (on top of the hill)
B.) The tops of the hill was land that couldn't be "worked" (farmed), so the theory being that the "Old timers" didn't want to take up room in their "bottoms" for a graveyard.

I still travel to the Greenup Ky area and clean off the "family" cemetary, used to take my Grandfather there every year and he and I would "hump" up the side of that straight up and down hill and clean the "weeds" off the tombstones. He's been gone a few years now, but I still make the journey, couldn't tell you who all is in the cemetary, because I didn't know a one of them, but that's not what matters.

Families used to own from 1-100's of acres back in "the day", you can bet that over the land they owned, the tallest nastiest "point" you could find, they put cemetary on it because they'd never use it for any thing else (they couldn't use it for anything else).

I've found them from a single grave that was civil war dated that was in the middle of no where to 10-50 that were covered with honeysuckle and no one had cleaned it off in 50 years....lots of those cemetaries around on these hills, and if ya run into a few, you'll soon see that most of the last names from "north" of Columbus made it into Ohio from the North, and most of the family names (last name) South of Columbus came from the "hills" of Southern Ohio and Northern Ky.

Kinda like your name "Hall", it's a Southern name...now the ones with a "ski" like Spicalwaski definetly came from up North.

Lots of History in these "hills", I'd bet most of you would be surprised to know that RT 23 (High street) running from Columbus down to Portsmouth used to be the original rt for the Iron transportation out of Southern Ohio to Columbus...they used to pull them (barges loaded with iron ore) by mule and work from dam to dam until they made it to Columbus and on up to Cleveland. There was a time when all the ol "Pig Iron" furnaces were the latest technology..that's really why the Southern part of Ohio was developed originally....plenty of pig iron furnaces around..if you have never seen one, I say you should do a search for Ironton Ohio (or Hanging Rock) on the internet and check out some of the pics of the ol furnaces and see how we "became" in this state.

Well, I am rambling on here. If your grandfather is still around ask him about the ol furnaces.

Oh, one more thing.....you guys ever notice how our hills in Southern Ohio have 2-3 flats running around the sides of them? Well, mother nature didn't put them there, the pig iron workers put them there..they used to timber and make "charcoal pits" (you can tell where a charcoal pit used to be because the soil is now the darkest soil ever seen) well, when they timbered, they would make the flats on the sides of the hills so they could get a team of oxen to the timber. Another thing, "Southern Ohio" as we know it today with all the trees and stuff, has only been that way for the past 100 years. I've seen pictures of the Southern part of Ohio before (old pics) that there wasn't one single piece of timber...they cut it all off for making charcoal for the furnaces...yes, clearcuts for as far as the eye could see...most of our growth is around the 100-150 year old mark, because the old timers cut it all for the furnaces.

Still Rambling on here, but our hsitory is pretty cool here in this State we call Ohio.

Oldhat

[BottomBouncer]

Thanks for all the interesting info:)

My grandpa isn't around anymore..........I sure wish he was though:(

In the woods where I hunt there is an old cemetary. Up along O'Shaughnessy reservoir on the west side there is a cemetary you can see from the water/boat. Dale from GFO showed it to me while fishing a bass T. People still take care of it.

[rjolenic]

Hey OLD HAT,

Thanks for the history lesson. We all could have a better understanding of the land we are hunting here in OHIO. Sounds like you really know your stuff on the history of the buckeye state. Are you sure we can't get you to admit that you are a professinal writer of some sort ????? I like the info your are sharing with us, keep it coming.

rjo

[OLDHAT]

rjolenic:

Nope, not a writer at all, just know a lot about the history through my mother, she is obsessed with the geneology/civil war/Shawnee era/Inhabitants of 1000 yrs. + ago thing.

Another interesting thing you might want to know.....:

The southern Ohio population of current day is = to or < than the population back 1000 yrs + ago. There used to be 10's of thousands of "Indians" (not the Shawnee era, but much older) the Adena's and Hopewells. The Ohio Valley was a major "summer area" for these Indians. Even in present day, you can pick up flint all along the bottoms on the Ohio river. I'd say I proabably have 200-300 perfect arrowheads,drills, scrapers, and ax heads and my mother and father proabably has an addtional 500-600 pefect ones themselves. We probably have 10-20 5 gallon buckets full of broken arrow heads and flint chunks....they were broken because the farmers of present day would break them while plowing/disking.

The "Indians" would spend the summer in camps on the banks of the Ohio river (the Ohio used to be a shallow river...that you could wade across in spots) and fish and take game. Once winter came about, they would follow the creeks and hollows back to caves and over-hangs and spend the winter there (would usually be a 3-5 mile journey back up the hollows) ..this got them "out of the weather" for the winter.

You can pretty much find any type of Over-hang/rock-house/cave here in Southern Ohio and scratch around in the dirt (dig) and find flint that has been "worked", elk antlers (they made these into needles for sewing and a variety of things). I've "dug" a few caves myself on private property with my family and found most of our nice arrow-heads from the diggings.

The Shawnee were present day "Indians" and if you are interested in a little about the Shawnee, I suggest you read the book called "Blue Jacket". Is a story about a white man that became a leader for the Shawnee..they captured him out of present day West Virginia and bought him back to Chillicothe as a prisoner. Present day Chillicothe was where there "capital" was located. They were then spread out in "sub-groups" around the Scioto river down to Portsmouth and around the Ohio river. Present day "Shawnee State Forest" used to be a major stronghold for the Shawnee also.

So, most of the "flint workings" came from the older Indians back even 2000 years ago, not the Shawnee, Miami or the Piqua Indians.

I'd also suggest that others that are interested take the family for a day down to "Old Man's Cave" and see that and stop by "ASHY cave", and "Serpent mounds" and take a look at that stuff. Pretty interesting stuff. We think of Ohio and think of Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland. but to tell you the truth, there were inhabitants here 2000+ years ago, and lots of them, not some rag-tag societies that we think of, but large communities and towns..10's of thousands of them.

Oh, and the arrowheads we find.....It was a "trade" in the family groups. THere would be 1 or 2 "Indians" that specialized in making those arrowheads, kinda like a "witch doctor" for each tribe. that was his/her sole responsibilty was to turn rock/flint into arrowheads and hunting points. The thing funny about the flint, is that in the Southern part of Ohio, there is no flint deposits, all of it was imported in from "Flint ridge" which is around the North eastern part of the state.

Oh, another interesting thing if you haven't seen it, head down to "Big Bone Lick" in the Cincy area. That was a set of Bogs/swamp that Dinosaurs and prehistoric animals got stuck in and died....lots of bones there...real old stuff there....100's of thousands of years old.


That's about all for now, until I can think of more.

oh, on the pig iron furnaces, The "Hecla Furnace", "Vesuvious" and "Hanging Rock" furnaces were the last ones to go. The vesuvious furnace has been restored and the Ohio University Ironton Branch has a working replica of the operation. IF you've never seen one, it's a furnace that was built like a pyramid (and looks like one also)..stood about 30-45 feet tall. THere was an opening at the top to pour in the iron (about an 8 ft square) and at the bottom and on one side was an opening (about 8 X 8) to put the charcoal into to fire the furnace. These furnaces were working full tilt in the 1800's and the last to go was in early 1900's if I remember correctly.

Oldhat...still rambling on!

[OLDHAT]

Also forgot to mention, the name of this thread also has a furnace there. There is a "Waterloo" furnace. I think they called it the "ETNA WATERLOO" furnace.

That's how I found "Indian Creek" that I have spoken about before. My family and I were out (I was maybe 8-10 years old) looking for a spot we thought was an Indian Mound. Well, we scouted that entire area..didn't find a mound, but my father decided to start bowhunting it from the sign we seen. Well, you probably remember me talking about a "patch of pines" we could camp in and hunt if you guys wanted to come down and bowhunt. Well, over-looking those pines and about 50 ft up on the hill is an old "over-hang", I found plenty of flint workings in it about 20 years ago. Isn't a cave or nothing, just a rock face with a feew feet of shelter..lots of flint there...hence the word Indian Creek...It's actually called Buffalo Indian Creek for the record. A lot call it "Sheritts" because that's the name of the family that used to own all the land, but on th emap, it's Buffalo Indian Creek.

[george tinkham]

the other waterloo and athens county is interesting too.salt was king before coal.between athens and chauncey is a small hamlet called beaumont.back in the salt days it was called salinas because of the salt deposits there.nelsonville was the crown jewell of ohio then.due to its position on the hock hocking river.natural salt licks ooze up thru the ground along the hocking and in the wayne in this area today.deer are attracted to the salt licks.lot of good hunting along that river.lot of big bucks.this is where the first settlers came up the hock hocking from the mighty ohio and the mt. nebo trail.

[BottomBouncer]

Sometimes while fishing I'll break open rocks and dig around the banks to see what I can find. Lots of neat stuff, nothing special, just neat rocks and fossils.

[Spitfire]

You the man OLDHAT!! Can't wait to hook up with you on that scouting trip.

[wilybuck]

ya know after readin all that history of ohio, maybe someone ought to start a thread about the history of our state and everyone could post what they know about the history...... might make some good readin material while i set here at work .....

[Spitfire]

That would be pretty interesting to read.

[BottomBouncer]

That would be cool.........hey oldhat, why don't you get us started in a time/era and we'll follow with our knowledge(or lack of:p )

[OLDHAT]

"LACK OF"

The term "lack of " (actually "lack there of") when refering to knowledge derived from the 15th century Latin term "lakos pro bono mino ono erfo sum gratos" and was later transfered to simple "lack of" in the early part of the milenia by a yodel*...ok I am pulling your guys leg!
hehehhehe

Sounds like a plan, I also thought about starting a thread(s) where guys could directly give a report to others on here about certain lakes they are "expert" fisherman at, Information regarding "areas on "the wayne"", and likleness minded topics to use as a point of reference.

I'll see what I can come up with. Maybe an "Interesting Facts About Ohio" Thread and a "Ohio History 101" thread.

Dunno, any other suggestions?

Oldhat

[rjolenic]

OLD HAT, I have to admit, you have got a way with words "on paper". You really do sound like a professional writer of sorts from time to time. I like the talk that you bring to the table!

rjo

[OLDHAT]

Rjolenic:

Get to know me a bit better, and you'll surely call me an a$$hole, that's what most people think I am. I take it as a compliment though, not just any-ol-body has what it takes to be one, or even a half-a$$ed-a$$hole.

Thanks for the compliments though. I just type what I have in my mind at the time. Am a pretty good typist so I can pretty much keep up with my thoughts and type them out. Typical response like this is a 2-3 minute time frame, so I just pretty much type what I am thinkiing.

Oldhat

Mr. happpy-go lucky

[george tinkham]

to be half assed i vision you as not real fast but not real slow eather.you are half fast.

[rjolenic]

OLD HAT,

We may just be "two peas in a pod". Everyone thinks that of me ass well! (No pun intended) Again, I like the way you write and appreciate your input.

rjo

[george tinkham]

there was even a song about waterloo!!!