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Hougan
02-14-2004, 09:46 AM
I just got some very disturbing news yesterday concerning a potentially new wildlife area.

There are two gravel pits near Spring Valley, Ohio owned by Martin Marietta. One has been retired for a few years now and has no human traffic at all, the other is still in operation. The retired gravel pit in just a few years years has grown to hold as many as 5000 ducks and geese. The birds have been using this as a late season roost since the depth of the water keeps it open much longer.

The wildlife office at Spring Valley is attempting to aquire this property from Martin Marietta. I asked what thier intentions were with the property if they do get it and the answer was "It would be another reacreational area", "We would allow public fishing, dove hunting, and duck hunting".

I can't beleive this awesome resource is going to be destroyed by allowing public access. This is an awesome refuge for the birds in the area and those migrating through. What a pleaseure it was to be able to sit and watch pintails, wigeon, green wing teal, gadwal, mallards, blacks, geese (two leg bands) bluebills, hooded mergansers etc in huge numbers. Not to mention the benefit to the hunting in the area. The fields in the area were hot with ducks and geese this year. If Spring Valley gets it it'll be just another spot in Greene/Warren county to sit and watch empty skies.

Personally, I'd like to see it managed as a wildlife refuge. When the other gravel pit or the other gravel pits in the area retire I'd like to see them retire to raising ducks and geese. This particular property is large enough to build an educational center right on the spot. Some blinds on the rim of the lake would make for great birding for sportsman and birders. I still can't beleive what a great opportunity there is here and wildlife wants more marginal public hunting. I'd rather see wildlife do something to provide more birds to hunt/watch rather than provide more places to hunt. Already there are loads of places to hunt public ground but there are no birds. Here is a chance to keep birds in the area longer than ever before. Migrating birds will imprint on this area and bring with them thier young for years to come. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see 10,000 birds on this lake in the next five years if it were managed as a refuge. We could have our very own Ottawa wildlife sanctuary down here in the next couple of years and the birding and the hunting would be second to none.

Better still is the state owns fields in the area and those fields would be prime for lottery draws like the ones at Mercer or Misquito. I am lucky enough to hunt some of the most incredible places in America and it's all because of refuges in the immediate area. We need to provide migrating birds wether it be game birds or shore birds a place to rest.

This area of the state is in desperate need of a refuge system and here is the perfect opportunity to start. The Little Miami and Great Miami river corridors are world suppliers of gravel. This extensive stretch of gravel pits from Springfield to Miamitown can provide a long refuge system to these birds and the number of birds that would be attracted to this area is staggering. We could see birds numbering in the 100,000's using this area, but only if we provide shelter for them. Lord knows we have plenty of food for them.

I so bent on this I have called ODNR District 5, ODNR Columbus, Dayton DU, Ohio DU, and yes I called Dayton Audabon.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:




3006
02-24-2004, 09:11 AM
Is it that you are guiding around these areas and that is where the $$ birds are???

Sounds like a good idea to me. People get in and shoot these roosts the first couple days and the hunting sucks the rest of the year.

CritterGitter
02-24-2004, 10:12 AM
Good post Hougan. You make some very good points! I hope the ODNR will consider your comments. However, it has been my experience in the past that the people within the ODNR don't listen to the public. They hold their little hearings so they look good, but they usually have already made their decision. You will need many many many more stating the same points that you have and building that very detailed professional argument. Otherwise, it's all a bunch of wasted breath. I know, I've been down this road with them several times.

CG

Darron
02-24-2004, 11:27 AM
This bothers me too. A refuge is great don't get me wrong, but will the fields around the refuge be leased up and the only way to hunt them is to fork out big bucks? If the state can't buy some fields around the refuge then hunting them will be by guide only because you know what happens when refuges get started. If the state buys the fields around the "refuge" so everyone has a chance to hunt them that is great, but if they can't, a lot of people are going to be frustrated because then only the guys willing to fork out the 100's dollars a day to shoot will get into them. If the state does do this they need to all consider this as well. They need to buy as much property around the refuge and have draw hunts. If they can't do this then it's going to be pay hunts only.

Hougan
02-26-2004, 08:34 AM
There are several fields in the area now owned by the state. All of them are intended either pheasnat hunting, rabbit hunting, or even dove hunting. Some of them used to be rented to farmers to plant corn but those days are gone. There are a few feilds in the area that could reall be good for a lottery deal much like the Mercer or Misquito deal at $3 a pop.

I am not guiding in the area!

Once we hear what Martin Marietta and the State have planned if anything then we have a plan. First is an online petition as well as a hard copy paper petition. We're writing letters to several local politicians (State Reps and Senators etc.) We'll submit all this to Mr. Haines at District 5. We'll be reqruiting help from DU. Delta, and even Dayton Audobon.

10Gauge
02-27-2004, 12:31 AM
My vote goes to the State and purchasing the land, opening it to the public for hunting and fishing! If it does become a refuge as Hougan would like I think Darron is right..........all the fields around the strip pits will be leased by guys like me :D and we'll kill everything flying in and out of that refuge.

Okay.....I changed my mind lets make it a refuge and I'm heading to SpringValley in the morning to knock on some doors with my wallet open!;) That is if Darron hasn't already been over there knocking on doors and doing chores!
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I love this site!

Darron
02-27-2004, 07:44 AM
Once again 10ga, you love opening up a can worms. All I can do now is laugh at your posts. Yes I have been there and done that. My buddy does have permission to hunt a field out that way, but it's getting a little far from the pits there at Spring Valley. This one time, and only one time, if you did lease a field out that way and needed help paying for it, you know my number:p (if they turned it into a refuge). Man you must have a lot of money to just be going around leasing every spot you hunt. Must be nice. I'll save that money, and buy me some later down the line.