Carry handgun

[Star1pup]

Now that Taft has finally signed the bill, let's have a discussion as to what we should carry.

Did anyone notice how Taft is now in favor of concealed carry since he was forced to support it? He said today that he believes in the Second Amendment and Ohioan's right to concealed carry.

Wasn't it Mark Twain who said something like, there are politicians and there are liars, but wait, I repeat myself.

[Basementdweller]

Just about everything I own is too big for concealed carry. I own a number of glocks and tarus revolvers. I was looking for at a keltec p-11. It is 9mm 9+1 config. it weighs 20oz.s loaded 5.6" long and 4.3 hieght. I have not even touched one so I cannot speak to quality or feel yet. Hopefully I will aquire one soon.

Has anyone heard if the state has designate the course you need to take to qualify. I know a bunch of people are running out and taking the nra concealed carry course is that gonna be the one?????

[XX78]

I know right now I'm gonna research the bill to see if I'm up for applying for the permit. There are many things about the bill that I dont know about. I just downloaded a pdf file containing the bill in its entirety, some 140+ pages for me to review. I want to make sure I know what I'm getting myself into. For instance I want to know to what capacity can journalists gain access to and or publish the information found. Second I want to know what other people have access to this list, ie will it show up on a background check that a potential employer may run. It may sound stupid but if the HR person in charge of hiring you is a liberal, or against concealed carry, how would you know how much that affected your consideration. It should never happen, but I wouldnt be suprised. Thirdly what is the protocol for granting a person permission should they finish, all applicable training. I could see the sherrif's dept holding out or possibly dragging their feet in granting permits in protest. I've also read that trainers are starting to charge more for training as a result of this legislative passage.

In short I'm gonna wait and see a while before I decide to apply or not.

If I do apply I will probably carry a small frame Glock model prob .40 cal

[Thunderflight]

"IF" I was to ever carry a concealed weapon I'd probably use my Baby Eagle .40.

I do support the right for others to carry concealed weapons, but I don't know if it would be for me.

TF

[CritterGitter]

I was in favor of this bill, but I don't know how the final version shakes out and I wouldn't evn want to think abour reviewing 140 pages of legislative text.

Also, I'll admit that I don't know the first thing about hand guns so I won't be applying for a permit.

CG

[Star1pup]

I will probably not carry concealed very often, but I will have one in my truck when I come home late at night as I live in a secluded area. Rigt now that would be illegal since it would be loaded and concealed in the truck. For the truck my GP-100 will work fine, but I'll need something smaller for those times I carry on my person.

I understand that the Ohioans For Concealed Carry will offer free courses for instructors once everyone knows just what training will be required. They have a website at www.ohioccw.org

[Basementdweller]

I had no idea that you can carry in the car. But you are not allowed to touch it and it is a felony if you are pulled over and not immediately keep you hads visible and alert the officer to the fact you are carrying.

This site has a real nice summary

http://www.sacsconsulting.com/ccw_Proposed.htm

[Star1pup]

It would be in the glove compartment and I would immediately tell any officer that pulled me over that I had a CCW and had a firearm in the truck. However, if I pulled into my secluded drive and there was someone other than a repairman carrying out my TV, I might show it to him. I would not shoot someone over a TV, but if he threatened me and I was in fear of my life or my wife's I would do whatever I had to do.

[chadwimc]

I wouldn't carry a Smith and Wesson Model 12-3, .38, nickel, with a bobbed hammer. Nope, that would be illegal... Oh, you mean *after* the bill becomes law. Well, that would be a Smith and Wesson...

[Buckmaster]

Well, My buddy and I are signed up to take the class April 3 & 4th. I'm getting licensed so I have the flexibility to carry if I'm ever required too. How many other people anticipate getting licensed?

[Star1pup]

I'm already signed up for a class. I will get a permit as you said, to give me the option.

[Beentown]

I will get it also. I probably will not carry on the average day. I will have one in my vehicle, probably my beretta 92fs 9mm. I am very proficient with this hand gun and would be most comfortable with it.

[XX78]

What's the training gonna cost where you are going. Up around Cleveland it'll cost you anywhere from 100-175.00

If I get certified, I'll either carry my compact HK9mm, or purchase a compact Kimber .45 acp

[Buckrun]

I picked up a flier at the Lima guns show yesterday. The
price for the class they were advertising will cost $125.00. I
read somewhere not to jump in and take the class right away.
There may be some changes that will cause you to have to
do it again. When I plop down my $100 + I only want to do
it once.

I also want to read the bill Taft sighed to make sure I know it
all. I printed it out the other day. It was 141 pages of political
mumbo jumbo!
Steve

[Buckmaster]

XX78, The cost was $110.00 and an NRA certified instructor from Chardon was holding the program. It will be held at A&A Shooting and Hunting club in Nelson near Nelson Ledges State Park. It seems you're nearby my area so you probably are aware of A&A's location.

[hntnfsh]

As I understand it, if you are driving a car, the gun either has to be in plain site on the seat next to you, or locked up and inaccesible if out of sight. That's the stupid part, if you ask me.

Hammerless Taurus Tracker in .357 in an ankle rig.

Or the Glock 21 in the back of the pants with a jacket.

Or the MAC 10 - uh, no, wait a minute. Retract that last part.

:-*

[Star1pup]

Our cost here will be $100 with the class held at Lowellville Rod & Gun Club. It will be an NRA certified instructor.

[Buckrun]

I just talked to a Deputy Sheriff that came into the store about the courses that are being offered. He said that the Sheriff of each county had to come up with a basic plan of what will be required in the course. Then all the plans for all 88 counties will be discussed. They will try to get all the requirements to be as close to the same as possible. I think they are going to make you take the course in the county you are from. He said it will be a couple months before all this is finished. You may be paying to take a course that will not have all the requirements for the county. If so you will have to take another course and pay to do it again. He recommended waiting until all the paper work is final before forking out the bucks

Steve

[Buckmaster]

The program is so widespread I would have doubts about being forced to retake the class again. I would imagine there would be somekind of grandfather clause to cover the early testers.

[205]

Just my 2 cents on the subject guys. I've been packin for the last 12-15 years. Have a permit here in WV. I have an American Derringer in .357 cal. that tucks nicely in my back pocket. If the bad guy wants my wallet, he better know what pocket I keep it in.:D Seriously though, I would never pull it out unless I felt my life was in danger! He best not make me feel this way. Since I came back from Nam, I just dont trust people the way most do. And there is a lot of bad guys out there. Does the state of Ohio except any states classes. I seen where some of the classes are 100 dollars and over. I think I would check around. Sounds sorta steep to me. Also, I didnt have to take a class to get mine. It helped a little knowing the Sheriff and Prosecutor here in my county. You might check into this if you are a veteran. I qualified with a .45, as well as several other weapons in the Army. All I had to produce was verification (DD214). Then all thats left is your background check and the license fees. The money is all theyre interested in anyway. I renewed mine last year and I believe it was 75.00 for the next 5 years. And as for some of you worrying about the Plain Dealer, I would say its just a bluff. And as far as that goes, they can kiss my butt! Ohio is one of the last remaining states that doesnt allow you to carry. The Plain Dealer may be setting their own self up for a lawsuit if they were to do this. Like Karl Mulden says, "Dont leave home without it!"

[vvarmitr]

You are packing heat for one reason. If you have to weigh how treatening the situation is before you act ....you're already dead!!!:mad: Maybe some of you should just leave your CCW at home instead having them available for some punk to take off your dead body.
It's not a badge; it's not a fashion statement; it's not to show your taste in guns; it's not to scare'em; it's to kill! To kill the person(s) who threaten to take the opportunity to kill your friends, family, or self.

For my gun I'm looking at the Taraus PT-145. A 45ACP DAO (double action only) 10 round clip auto.

Don't get me wrong I'm not anxious to shoot anybody & I pray ernestly to God that I never have to use it for it's intended purpose.
Think about it.;)

[pawclaws]

V V you are on target! If I show it to you or unholster it; I'm firing it at the center of target mass with every intent to kill. That decision has already been made. On my own property I am armed whenever I am out of doors since having one very aggressive copperhead strike at me and actually "shut down" my weed eater when he hit the spool and the wife's trip to the ER over a vicious dog attack. Concealed Carry? I'm not sure yet. I guess it should help with the knowledge that your fellow citizen "may" be armed before a potential criminal acts up. Weapon? I guess that depends on the skill, preference and physical size and attributes of the individual. Anyone have a clue what other states will honor Ohio's permit?

[Basementdweller]

Varmiter......The couple of situations I have been in.....I was saved only by the gods of timing. Police car in the grocery store parking lot saved me one time. And a quick elevator door in a parking garage another.

Now in both cases my hand would have been on the firearm ready to draw.

The parking lot it would have gotten drawn, because the group was closing on me quickly. I could not have gotten in my car. I would have drawn and fired for sure. The police car stopped them at my back bumper and they booked around the side of the store. The cop saw it all. He asked if I had bought my lotto ticket yet.

The elevator door.....I would have been ready because they were still 50 feet away. What worried me was they were looking in cars in the garage and when they saw my wife and I they immedately came toward us. Door opened we got in and hit the emergency button. Security sweep the garage and the teens were calling us racist, bigots, a bunch of 4 letter words and we were told by the punks they better never catch us in there again.

One last question to the group. I saw a quote somewhere that said, "Every scum bag has a family with an attorney." So has anyone checked into any insurance to help with the legal cost? I know the NRA has it but does anyone else?

Can you believe that punk that got shot trying to rob the donatos pizza delivery guy is sueing the columbus police for shooting him. His mug shot he had a huge afro and on the interview he was cleaned and trimmed. his buddy dropped his bb gun and didnt get shot this clown keep his and got shot.

[vvarmitr]

My question is ....can dead people sue?:eek:

[Star1pup]

I just completed my course. It was very intense as we did the 12 hours over 2 days. We had 2 NRA certified instructors, one of whom was a police officer. We had more than the necessary 10 hours of classroom and at least 2 hours of live fire.

The officer spent a lot of time reviewing the law with us as to how it relates to the use of deadly force. This no place to be, or listen to, a backyard lawyer. No matter who teaches your course, make sure that you hear the law from a trained police officer or a competent lawyer.

Our course cost $100 with the guarentee that we would be given anything new that might be needed free of charge. I don't think anything can be added that these people did not cover.

[Buckrun]

That is great. How long till you can get the permit? I heard
that it won’t be until later this spring or summer. I will be
getting my permit this summer. I am not in the hurry I
thought I would be. I have several different handguns I can
use as my carry gun. What do you think you will be carrying.

I have started seeing the little signs that say “NO
CONCEALED CARRY” We went to the Golden Corral to
eat last night and saw one. I told my wife they should get a
sigh that says “ROB US WE ARE UNARMED” don’t these
people get it? It is the honest citizens that will have the
CCW permits. The bad guys are already carrying. IDIOTS!
Steve

[Star1pup]

From what I learned in the course, the sheriff will have 30 days after the law takes effect on April 7 to begin accepting applications. I'll apply as soon as I can, but I'm in no big hurry.

I will not be able to avoid every place that posts a sign, but I will try to take my business to places that allow my gun to be carried. You will not be allowed to carry in any place that sells alcohol. Does Golden Corral?

[Thunderflight]

So if Golden Corral hangs a sign that says no concealed carry then does that mean you can't legally go into Golden Corral?

TF

[Star1pup]

You cannot take your gun into any place that has a sign forbidding it. You may take off the gun in the parking lot and lock it up. Our instructor recommended that one of those gun safes that can be bolted to the vehicle floor would be a good investment. Some of them also have insulation to protect the gun from intense heat in the locked vehicle.

This is not a perfect bill, but the best we could get. It is hoped that it will be ammended in the future after our anti-gun governor is out of office.

[Basementdweller]

My understanding is that most of the major chain stores will post on their entry doors no firearms. This will be the way for the first couple of years then they will lighten up.

On your course....I felt a little cheated. I spent 150 bucks for a 6 hour safety course. a 2 hour lecture of the dont dos by an attorney and police man and another 2 by the instructor on gun, ammo and shooting techniques. I shot as required but at 15 feet and 25 feet?????? I was amazed at the people that couldnt do it. Oh well its done and I have my NRA personal defense certificate.

[H2O Mellon]

Thanks for the info guys. I just moved back from Montgomery County to Greene County, so I shuld be taking my course soon.

How many people were using snub noses? I plan on carrying a Tarus .44Special snubby. I personally dont have trouble hitting the req area @ 25 feet, but I figured some may, if using a snub nose.

Just in case I figured I might take the class using my .40 Beretta.