Non Resident License Issue

[RUTIN]

I was wondering how many of you have an issue with our non-resident hunting license price? Personally ive wrote numberous emails and contacted the ODNR on the topic and it seems to get no where! I think its INSANE that our non-resident tags is damn near 1/3 of most other midwest states. I believe that what every state you come from you should have to pay there non-resident fee. For instance i hunt Illinois every year and pay a stupid amount of $400 to trophy hunt there state. Thats bow only, one buck & one doe, plus $50 for hunting license. Ohio is $130 and then to top it all off its $24 the same damn price we pay for our either sex tag. Does this topic touch a sore spot on anyone else that our state get flat out murdered and were one of the top 5 states? I was told by ODNR due to the economy this would not be a good time to raise our prices!!! BS.... k im done ranting!!!!!

[ohiosam]

About the only people that think that Ohio's NR licenses aren't undervalued are non-residents. Even some non-residents will admit Ohio is a great value. I recently cut and pasted "reasons to hunt Ohio" from an outfitters site, price of NR over the counter licenses was the #1 reason.

[laxin]

I think the NR should be increased.

I Wrote a novel of a post about it last year showing analysis of how we pay a rediculous % (resident fees as a % of NR fees) compared to the same % in NY and PA. I picked those states cause I hunt there in order to hunt with my in-laws.

NR fees should be increased by $100-$150 IMO.

[Deehntr56]

Don't get me started again on this one.:D

Dig back through these posts...I did a survey this past spring in here....

Results....Raise the NR Fees to comparable states and at least $200.00!!

The survey and various emails were sent to the ODNR.

Keep at it.....and keep sending emails.....someday the light bulb will come on!

[swanie]

i looked in to hunting ind. but it would cost something like $125 for my hunting lic. and 125 for the 1st deer tag. but after that you pay 15 a tag so to shot 2 deer i ind. it would be $265. and ohio have better deer

[Mountaineer]

What it all boils down to is Greed...Its why I dislike most hunters..I dislike most hunters because ultimately..most hunters want it all for themselves...The hunting community is the most territorial ..selfish group of any..You know why most in here want NR fee increases?..The reason is..because it may deter hunters from coming to Ohio..Thats the main reason..The greed amongst hunters is dispictable.."POSTED LAND"...LEASED LAND"..It seems Hunters are locking out and disableing most fellows from hunting..Its an implosion from within..and the Anti hunters are loving it.

Instead of trying to make things easier for hunters to hunt..People make it more difficult....Do i care how many hunters hunt the area I hunt?...No.. Absolutely Not ...they are out to enjoy themselves and im all for it.

Why do I care when i see big bucks killed in here if the land is locked out to fellow hunters? I say so what..I say You are greedy and dispicable..Why do I care about a Big buck killed in a place Im locked out of?
I say "Who cares"..Thats not admirable...take a buck on land that is open for all to enjoy and hunt..Now thats admirable and i salute you.

This ideology of "Keeping it all for myself and lock out fellows hunters"..Is just pure Greed and its digusting.:rant:

[laxin]

[quote=Mountaineer;365337]What it all boils down to is Greed...Its why I dislike most hunters..I dislike most hunters because ultimately..most hunters want it all for themselves...The hunting community is the most territorial ..selfish group of any..You know why most in here want NR fee increases?..The reason is..because it may deter hunters from coming to Ohio..Thats the main reason..

Mountaineer...besides being a very general statement, you couldn't be further from the truth with this statement (at least when it comes to me). I hunt public land as well. It is not mine, it is for all to enjoy. Raise the NR fees and use some of that additional money to purchase additional public hunting land. Something like 95% of the land in OH is privately owned. Using funds to supply us all with more land is not greedy!

Furthermore, start breaking down the $/day you get to hunt when hunting in OH as compared to surrounding states. I am not saying the 6-10 days you choose to hunt, I am saying take the total license and permit expense you incur across the 4 months you can pursue whitetails with a bow in OH and tell me you don't have a steal of an oppportunity compared to other states.

I again say, raise the rates to be compatible for the quality of animal available, and for the length of season you can pursue the animal. Use that money to re-invest for us ALL (yes that includes NR) to enjoy hunting as a passion/hobby/sport/etc in OH. Based on your hunting approach, I cannot see how you would be against having additional public land to hunt as a result of paying an increased fee.

[Monroe]

Same old argument. Last time I checked, Ohio and Illinois didn't share a border. When I lived in NW PA - there was a solid line of flat-landers from OH heading to our area for gun season to hunt. Funny how things change.

I actually agree with Mountaineer - guys are getting a little greedy. I am sure there are a lot oh Ohioans still roaming Penns woods for pheasants, deer, turkey, trout, you name it. And I know there are a ton of them crossing into WV everyday during bow season so they can shoot more than 1 buck (see them every year). I would be all for a reciprocal license raising event if needed...

[bowbean]

I hunted Ohio last year for the first time. I'm a NR and I think it's a great bargain. Honestly the only reason I went there was because my buddy Jeff is 62 (I'm 47) and Illinois was too far to drive. What does it matter to you what a NR pays? We here in Vermont have the same issues with our Moose permits going to 25% of NR and they pay just a little more than us residents. But I do agree the price should be raised and I wouldn't have a problem with that. Just my thoughts.

[Mountaineer]

I am an American and I enjoy hunting..I hunt sevaeral states per year and I take advantage of each states publiclands that they offer..My state of west Virginia has millions of acres of Publiclands for all Americans to enjoy..just like your state of Ohio. Why is it state vs state? We are all Americans who enjoy hunting and we should not fight among ourselves.

Im not in support of raising my own states NR fees...Im not in support of raising any fees that will make it harder on the hunter to do the thing he loves to do..and thats to hunt.

This notion of Hunter vs hunter..State vs State is ridiculous..We should all be against any type of fee increases just because other states are high....I applaud privateland owners who open their land for all hunters..For they are directly supporting the sport of hunting so it may live on for generations to come.

[RUTIN]

Theres some truth to your Hunter vs. Hunter statement, but at the same time because our NR price is so cheap we have more and more NR leasing up land in our own state that its getting rediculous. Maybe if WV got the publicity and got showcased like ohio does then this would hit a little more home for you. Im simply saying a state that charges an individual $400 to hunt should be charged the same to hunt any other state as a NR. $400?!? Thats crazy!! But you know what that reality and almost all the land in Illinois is locked up by outfitters and private people which in my opionion is fine! Theres a reason a state like Illinois can kill 2 deer a year, because management allows them to harverst mature deer and not have every Dick & Jane tromping everyones land doing the "Brown its down" theroy.... I hunt public land in the state of Ohio as well as public and i dont agree with turning people away, but not everyone is ethical and not everyone deserves a damn hunting license. I will not even participate in Ohios gun season unless im on private land by myself because theres way to many people that have never taking a hunter safety course here bc no one checks if you have a drivers license. Im simply saying if a NR from Illinois wants to hunt here in ohio they should have to pay there NR fee! Gaurentee licenses would be sky high anymore, or if they were it wouldnt take long before the herds got outta hand and they lowered them. This message wasnt geared towards Hunters vs Hunters although i absolutly agree with some of your statements. There simply needs to be fairness across the board though!!!

[ohiosam]

I take advantage

I think this line says it all.:whistle:;):mischeif:

[rhino2726]

last time I checked a resident doesnt recieve a dime of revinue from NR hunting licenses. Quit the Bit*****, and crying, Dam. We pay more than a resident does, and Ohio doesnt have the deer hunting illinois has. Dont get me wrong some nice deer in Ohio but don't compare to illinois. This will be my third year to ohio with about 6 others and it wont be our last. For some reason some resident feel that raising the licenses will some how make it to where they can walk into some public land and hunt and never see anyone, aint going to happen. Or that raising hunting licenses will miraculusly make more private land availible or to lease, AINT GOING TO HAPPEN. The fact of the matter is that licenses going up even a $100 will just be a drop in the bucket for 99% of hunters, hell Ive spend that on corn in a week, or hunting pants etc. The ODNR isnt stupid, They know that alot of revinue is brought to the state from NR hunters and the licenses being cheaper than some other states mean they have a better advantage of attracting hunters to their state which means more money for Ohio and the ODNR. GET OVER IT. Oh, and too the reason for some of the other state high license prices are due to that they have only a limited number of out of state licenses. They have draws, your dont win you dont hunt. Simple price and demand.

[deerhunt45]

Simple price and demand.

Ohio will be there soon enough...:nono:

If in the meantime 99% of the hunters will still come, why shouldn't the ODNR put a little more money in the coffers for improving it for those 99% (all of us)?

I don't want to argue this issue. I will say, I agree with the reciprocity idea...always have. Whatever you wanna charge me in Illinois should I draw a tag, that's what Illinois residents should pay to hunt here. We won't even make you draw for a tag, just come on over.

[rhino2726]

Illinois doesnt hardly have any public land due to the state turning deer hunting into a buisness. The reason for this is because illinois has become glorified and celebritized and this brought in the big money and on the heels of that the big time rich hunters. Illinois is out of reach to hunt for alot of people due this. Keep on with the demand of the license increases and before long it will become nothing but a buisness and the big money hunter will take it over too and you think its crowded now. Be carefull what you wish for.

[WHOOTY]

I think the price of NR license in Ohio are a bargin. Va NR is close to $250.00. WV keeps raising their price on resident tags. I think alot of it is about the money and not about the land, hunters, or the wildlife. Politics, Politics, Politics. Dont get me wrong, im sure some goes back to the land but here in WV. we sure do not see it, at least in our neck of the woods. Im not much to complain, I just love to enjoy what god gave us,,,,,,,The Great Outdoors,,,,,,,

[antiqucycle]

If non residents are willing to pay $500 a day to hunt in Ohio on a lease, or $5000 to lease land, jack the fees sky high. Obviously the non resident fees in other states plus the goofy drawings, preference points, guide fees, etc, keep me from hunting for elk, antelope, sheep, moose, etc.

Yes a lot of Ohio hunters did go to Pa just to hunt with a high power, a lot simply went because relatives owned camps or large properties and they were happy to say they got their buck (with 3" spikes).

Ohio needs to raise the NR licenses but the State definitely needs to regulate and heavily Tax those in the leasing "business" to weed out the slimeballs. Make the outfitters buy a license, provide proof of liability insurance. Make the outfitters responsible for blatant violations of hunting regulations, like leaving dead bucks in the woods without tags because they did not make the B&C book. or allowing their customers to hunt after dark or tresspass on other properties.

The whole leasing business is attracting the worst of the worst non residents.

[Deehntr56]

Same old argument. Last time I checked, Ohio and Illinois didn't share a border. When I lived in NW PA - there was a solid line of flat-landers from OH heading to our area for gun season to hunt. Funny how things change.

I actually agree with Mountaineer - guys are getting a little greedy. I am sure there are a lot oh Ohioans still roaming Penns woods for pheasants, deer, turkey, trout, you name it. And I know there are a ton of them crossing into WV everyday during bow season so they can shoot more than 1 buck (see them every year). I would be all for a reciprocal license raising event if needed...

Your not comparing apples with apples. It comes down to quality of the Deer.

Ohio is in the top 5 in the country When compaing bucks that make the various requirements to be entered in the book.. WV and PA are not. Ohio shoud be priced accordingly.

What's funny, is Wyoming is not in the top 5 and they will charge $316.00 for a NR tag and $566 for a special tag for whitetail.

Bottom line....Ohio is way underpriced for the Deer Quality and as MtDeer stated about our pricing..... "I Take Advantage". That's greed!!!

[benehunter]

Can't wait for deer season to start!!!:coolgleamA:

[WHOOTY]

You got that right. Come on deer season. Our early bow season came in today. Your only allowed 1 doe. $20.00 res. tag.... I think Ill wait till cooler weather. The doe's can wait for me.

[Mountaineer]

Bene..

Thats cuz NR fees are currently reasonable:whistle:

[Outdoorsman]

It seems to me that there is a group here that wants to raise taxes (NR fees):yikes:. To what end? Land management, land acusition,hiring more game wardens, all noble ideas but not realistic in this economy.

[mrex]

Dont get me wrong some nice deer in Ohio but don't compare to illinois.

You're right, it's not fair to compare Ohio with Illinois. Because Ohio is better. We have 25% less land mass and almost as many people. And the majority of Illinois population lives in 5 counties called "Chicago land." Ohio residents are strung out from Cleveland to Cincinnati.

Ohio looks good when compared to any state or province in North America for trophy whitetail deer.

[hunterforlife]

Same old argument. Last time I checked, Ohio and Illinois didn't share a border. When I lived in NW PA - there was a solid line of flat-landers from OH heading to our area for gun season to hunt. Funny how things change.

I actually agree with Mountaineer - guys are getting a little greedy. I am sure there are a lot oh Ohioans still roaming Penns woods for pheasants, deer, turkey, trout, you name it. And I know there are a ton of them crossing into WV everyday during bow season so they can shoot more than 1 buck (see them every year). I would be all for a reciprocal license raising event if needed...

Going to Pennsylvania to hunt pheasants...LMAO...Why the hell would i drive to pennsylvania to hunt pheasants when i have them behind my house in Ohio...Also, pheasants don't thrive in woods, at all...:whistle::coolgleamA:

It seems to me that there is a group here that wants to raise taxes (NR fees):yikes:. To what end? Land management, land acusition,hiring more game wardens, all noble ideas but not realistic in this economy.

So someone has to cough up a few hundred more, so what, if it's too much they can stay home and wipe there a$$ with their saved money

Personally, I think they should triple the NR fees, and use the extra dough to purchase very large amounts of public land, with a large emphasis on upland habitat...:D:bouncy:

[OHBOW76]

Here is a novel idea, charge what their state cherges for a NR license. Make youth seasons open to resident youths only, and make the 1st day of gun resident only. I see no reason why youth season should be open to NR.

[OHBOW76]

Also allow guiding on land owned by the outfitter only, that would limit leasing.

[NativeTexan]

Looks like I need to get an temp. ohio plate when I come hunting to avoid some of this animosity. Ohio does have a reasonable NR fee and Ohio does have some of the best hunting in the country but the argument that NR should pay triple what they are paying now is just greed on the part of anyone who holds that view. Greed because you want to keep all of your land and deer to yourself. The argument is no different than me saying anyone who doesnt own land in ohio should pay more than someone who does. Oops, they do, never mind. Carry-on.:yikes:

[OHBOW76]

TEXAN,

I truly think you misunderstand where most of us are coming from. Its not about greed, but why should Ohioans pay $300-500 minimum in license/tags fees to hunt other states in the midwest, and west but those state residents can come here and for around $130 have a legit shot at shooting a trophy deer?

Whats fair is fair dont you think.....thats why you should pay whatever a NR would pay in your state.

[OHBOW76]

I would also say its not animosity but Ohioans being protective of the great hunting that we currently have. Sorry if we dont want it to end up like Texas where you only shot at a quality hunt is behind a high fence after paying god knows what to hunt some huge privately owned mega ranch.

[Deehntr56]

Looks like I need to get an temp. ohio plate when I come hunting to avoid some of this animosity. Ohio does have a reasonable NR fee and Ohio does have some of the best hunting in the country but the argument that NR should pay triple what they are paying now is just greed on the part of anyone who holds that view. Greed because you want to keep all of your land and deer to yourself. The argument is no different than me saying anyone who doesnt own land in ohio should pay more than someone who does. Oops, they do, never mind. Carry-on.:yikes:

Where does the money go from the fees? It's simple, none of us~~ NR and Residents alike "profit" from the fees.

You as a non-resident, if your serious about the resources should "gladly" pay the fees required since it helps preserve the resource you are hunting. I do at "any" state I hunt outside of Ohio, and it's "my choice". You don't have to pay the fees, but any "serious" hunter with half a brain would if he wants to hunt there.

If I "choose" to hunt at a state with great hunting, I SHOULD AND DO pay the price.

Why shouldn't anyone else coming to our state and hunting a top 5 State for whitetails!:confused::biggrin:

It is what it is....and it has nothing to do with keeping hunters out of the state, because we "ALL" know the serious hunters will hunt the state, like any other state with pricing that is already there.

I have no issue helping another state preserve it's resource,if I want to hunt there, even though some of them have "over priced" permits, IMO. The money goes to the Resources that I hunt. It is what it is.

The greed factor is born more with anyone stating "I take advantage" of our pricing, or stating "we want to keep all of our land and deer to ourselves" because we all know MANY ARE MOTIVATED with greed in their mind with our current pricing, since it is so underpriced. That's where the greed factor kicks in, with no concern for the resource that this state holds.

[ohiosam]

I have zero animosity towards NRs. What I take issue with is that the ODNR nickels and dimes residents on licenses causing us to have above average license fees while they have the price of NRs licenses below average.:irked: I can understand at one time Ohio thought it needed low NR license fees to attract NRs but those days are long gone.

[laxin]

Well said 56 and ohiosam!

[dtabor]

I guess I'll agree with OHBOW76 and the others who want reciprocity. I think OH should charge exactly what the NR hunters state charges.....I think those of us on here from VT would agree yes?????

VT NR Hunting license which INCLUDES One deer tag and one bear tag and the ability to hunt small game etc as well.....$90. Want to add fishing to that as well for the year? A grand total of $120.

[RUTIN]

dtabor.... that is why i started this forum.... i love all the feedback, i think this is great! But if i was going to hunt VT and only pay $90 to hunt there, i have NO issue at all about you coming to hunt our giants for $90. My whole fight about our NR fee is that hunting in most states has become such a big revenue on TROPHIES and ohio is behind the 8 ball when we claim world class deer every year in this state and the residents get the shaft bc every dick and jane can afford to come here and kill them. Unfortunatly some of us cant afford to do what we enjoy, which is HUNT, other states bc they've made it out of every blue collars price range. I love hearing everyones opinion on this topic.... Its funny to me that all the people from states with retarded high NR fees are gettin all pissy and bent bc they know ohio is PRIME and done want to see our NR fee jump. At the same time, ohioians are pissed bc we are losing our land to alot of NR's and still paying extremly high prices to enjoy other states. Like my original arguement stated.... an eye for an eye.... If your from Illinois, you pay $400 to hunt here, i pay $130 to hunt there.... problem solved, but it wouldnt bc you would be pissed that i only pay $130..... Now you see where everyone in Ohio is getting sick of gettin raped in prices elsewhere and losing there own home turn to out of staters!!!

[dtabor]

When I started coming to OH about 10 years ago, my buddy said they were headed out and asked if I wanted to go...at that time, Id never even HEARD of deer hunting in OH, now it seems I hear people talk about it all the time along with magazines and video etc.

I can tell you, I come to OH because of the sheer numbers of deer. Hocking County where I stay and mostly hunt is about the same size as the county in VT where I live. You shoot more deer in that one county than we shoot in the entire state of VT during bow season. Yes, the thought of the possibility of seeing/shooting that big buck is always there but its for the numbers. Im just as happy to come home with a doe or two.

To be honest, I was really amazed to see the resentment on this site toward NR because up until now, Id always had extremely good rapport with any resident that I had met or talked to when out there and always commented on the great attitude and welcome of the people out there.

[rgecko23]

To be honest, I was really amazed to see the resentment on this site toward NR because up until now, Id always had extremely good rapport with any resident that I had met or talked to when out there and always commented on the great attitude and welcome of the people out there.


I am almost posative you still will have a good rapport with them. i thin kthe majority of the problem which has been stated a couple of time sis the cost. I dont think anyone is going to bash you for being in ohio or bea d**k to you. I think they are still going to say it is BS that you can hunt here for a cheaper price than they can hunt your state.

[Deehntr56]

I guess I'll agree with OHBOW76 and the others who want reciprocity. I think OH should charge exactly what the NR hunters state charges.....I think those of us on here from VT would agree yes?????

VT NR Hunting license which INCLUDES One deer tag and one bear tag and the ability to hunt small game etc as well.....$90. Want to add fishing to that as well for the year? A grand total of $120.

Once again, it has nothing to do with NR residents coming here, it has all to do with the underpriced tags compared to all the other high quality Deer hunting states.

I've said it before, and I say it again...I hunt out of state and have no problem paying the fees. My choice and decision to do so.

Reciprocity does not take into consideration the "quality" of hunting here in Ohio. In comparing apples to apples, you need to compare Deer hunting with Deer hunting and the quality of what you get in each one. VT is not a top 5 state.

If WV and PA was a top "5" state in Mature whitetails, then yes. But they are not.

PA, WV, Ind. and many other residents come here because of under priced tags for the top "5" quality deer we have. If their state had the Bucks we have, a lot more would stay home and hunt them there, since it's cheaper.

NR know it(were underpriced) and use that accordingly.

Again, I can list states like Wyoming charging the prices I stated and are much pricier then ours, and they are not even a "Top" 5 state in whitetail hunting. We are underpriced, and the additional revenue can go to continuing the qulaity deer and resources we have for the serious hunters, NR and Residents alike.

If we all think Hunting is immune to the "money" out there then, you have had your head in a 10' hole buried underground all your life.

My season tickets for the Browns(when I had them for 17 years) were under $250.00 a year. It would take thousands with PSL's and season seats to have them today.(Thank God I don't:biggrin:)

Your 1st new car cost maybe $5,000 35 years ago....try buying one for that today.

Everything costs more...it is, what it is.

[mrex]

The "eye for an eye" system doesn't work because nobody from Iowa is coming here to hunt, and not many of us go to Maine to chase the "skippas" or "lambs" - (Northeast for button buck or yearling doe).

With the exception of Indiana, the vast majority of NR hunters coming to Ohio each year come from collar states that don't have the quality that we have.

[bowhunter1023]

I've said for a long time that I think Ohio has under priced it resources when it comes to the NR license and tag fees. I really bothers me that someone who has no vested interest in Ohio's wildlife (i.e. taxpayer dollars) can come here and get a tag for the same price that I pay as a resident and taxpayer. I think we should raise our NR license fees by 50-100% and at the minimum, double the tags. I've heard the argument that lower tags/licenses will encourage doe harvest, but that is not happening anyways. (At least from what I have seen and heard.) So if NR hunters are going to come here to head hunt as a generality, they should pay a “fair” price. And to me as a resident and taxpayer, fair means comparable to the likes of Iowa, Illinois, Kansas, and Wisconsin. Our deer herd and trophy potential is just as good, if not better, than those states at the moment and yet we price our NR licenses and tags like we have a herd similar to WV...

There are all kinds of arguments for and against raising license and tag fees in Ohio. For me, it boils down to pricing out our recources at a price that is first and more most, fair to the people of this state. Right now, I don't think those fees are fair to Ohio residents...

[Bucko]

So if NR hunters are going to come here to head hunt as a generality, they should pay a “fair” price.

I was not going to get in on this this time but here goes.....................................

Jesse not all of us come down to head hunt,granted we won't let a monster walk because thats what we all would like .But the guys i hunt with ,just come down to hunt.we don't shoot dinks ,just as soon shoot a doe as a little buck,we respect the land we are on.plain and simple.tags are a bargin no doubt, but to beat this old horse time and time again is old news.If and when they raise the tags we will buy them and then it still won't be enough for some ,they will want a draw system,hunt odd days,early starts and on and on.Just remember it's not the average guy that is leasing up all the farms,down were we are the locals have leased up ground and are now sub leasing by the week ,season. BB

[Monroe]

I think the license should vary county by county also. Those hunting in Athens or Pike or Licking should be paying way more than me hunting in Monroe. There has been like 1 BC deer in the last 10 years in Monroe - Ill be damned I should pay the same as everyone else to see spikes and forkies.

[Bucko]

This would sure kick a whole new hornets nest!!!!! :whistle: :)

[muzzymomentless]

As a NR I would be willing to pay another $100 to $150 bucks for my NR license. This will be my third year hunting Ohio and have yet to kill. The reason I keep coming back is the quality of the deer I see are much better than what I see at home. This will be my first year hunting on opening weekend in Ohio and am planning on buying an extra tag for a doe to hopefully use on the opener. If not used than, then maybe I can fill it when I come back in November. Also I am not one of the dreaded land leasers, everybody seems to love, but we hunt public land.

[bowhunter1023]

So if NR hunters are going to come here to head hunt as a generality, they should pay a “fair” price.

I was not going to get in on this this time but here goes.....................................

Jesse not all of us come down to head hunt,granted we won't let a monster walk because thats what we all would like .But the guys i hunt with ,just come down to hunt.we don't shoot dinks ,just as soon shoot a doe as a little buck,we respect the land we are on.plain and simple.tags are a bargin no doubt, but to beat this old horse time and time again is old news.If and when they raise the tags we will buy them and then it still won't be enough for some ,they will want a draw system,hunt odd days,early starts and on and on.Just remember it's not the average guy that is leasing up all the farms,down were we are the locals have leased up ground and are now sub leasing by the week ,season. BB


Here's a virtual pat on the back for avoiding generality...

Look, I'm not beating the dead horse here. The question was posed by RUTIN and I provided my opinion, which was asked for and really amounts to nothing in the scheme of things. This is afterall, a forum designed for the exchange of public opinion and I was not trying to use that format to take a shot at NR hunters. I was not trying to ruffle your feathers, or anyone else's, with that comment about the generalities of NR hunters. But let's be honest, if I go to Iowa, Illinois, or Kansas, what am I going for? I'm going to kill a big buck and I figure that is the GENERAL mindset for the larger portion of NR hunters no matter where they are hunting. Let's face it, the grass is greener in Ohio for some folks and all I am saying is as a resident, I feel we have under priced our greener pastures here in Ohio. I have absolutely no problem with NR hunters coming to Ohio. My problem lies with the DNR not pricing our resources appropriately and in my humble opinion, we could stand a rate increase on NR license and tags. It is nothing to take personal, I'd open up my land to you in a heartbeat if we were buddies, but I'd bust your balls the whole time you were here about getting a bargain to hunt! Its just how I feel and it harbors no ill will towards NR hunters...

[Deehntr56]

So if NR hunters are going to come here to head hunt as a generality, they should pay a “fair” price.

I was not going to get in on this this time but here goes.....................................

B]granted we won't let a monster walk because thats what we all would like .But the guys i hunt with ,just come down to hunt.we don't shoot dinks[/B] , BB

Ok so we agree, that your hunting QUALITY deer in Ohio. Monster Bucks as you stated and other deer(Does etc) , because you know the "odds" are better at a "Good Buck" and filling your tags with Does and lesser deer, then in your home state.

You then know with that statement, that the Deer densities are higher here, providing you with better odds at filling your tag at a relatively cheap price, and in essence hunt here for that reason and the AMOUNT of Quality Deer here.

We all understand that, and we all agree.

We are on the same page except for the fact The NR rates are too low as stated by the Quality Deer Hunting we have.

But with appropraite fees, the Division would then have funds to continue "to provide" Quality Deer hunting for NR and Residents alike, for many years to come, which is the objective.

The Ohio Division Of Wildlife does a GREAT job in managaing our herd. They can continue to do so with the right funds and management.

[Bucko]

No ill will here,I was only using the Head hunter quote to make a point. I would pay more if I had to ,I hunt to hunt the main reason I hunt Ohio is over the counter tags, access to some great property and the fact that we have had some really bad winters and don't have the deer we use to.If it was only about filling tags I would stay home.I have never had a problem with anyone while in OH and hope I never do, but look at the post between mine and yours .you will see we will never make everyone happy.good luck on the opener .we won't be down until halloween.hope there is 2 left.BB

[rhino2726]

Ill put it to you residents like this, I come and hunt public land that is if im not mistaken funded mostly by federal dollars, and ran by federal dollars. all of ohios public land isnt maintained by state taxes. I pay around $20,000 in federal income tax. I believe I have some money in Ohios public land. I belive Ill be hunting it for $130. I live on the coast, my area is heavly fished from people that dont live on the coast. I dont think someone who lives in a non coastal state should pay out the a** to come hear and catch trout, snapper, grouper, amberjack, etc. just because thier state doesnt have this kind of fishing, its stupid. Im tired of hearing about the top 5 crap. How many state do you think has a lagitamite hunting population of whitetail deer. Let me put it to you like this, watching hunting on the outdoor channel, etc. states mostly hunted are Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Iowa, Illinios, Missouri, kentucky probably forgot a few but maybe 10 to 12 mayjor hunting states for whitetail out of 50, I mean, come on. Get of the high horse. I not tring to knock Ohios hunting but Im sick and tired of hearing you resident set forth claim to the great hunting in Ohio, like you've personnaly had something to do with it. You should be thinking the farmers and the strick regulations on deer harvesting. Im gonna come to ohio this year, just like year in the past and pay what ever the license and tags are and fill everyone I can get my hands on, or money can buy, if next year its more than this year Im going to open my wallet and get out some more cash, and pay it just for you, the cry babies. I dont think that licenses will ever reach the illinios price tag. But if it goes up in the coming years so be it.

[hunterforlife]

Ill put it to you residents like this, I come and hunt public land that is if im not mistaken funded mostly by federal dollars, and ran by federal dollars. all of ohios public land isnt maintained by state taxes. I pay around $20,000 in federal income tax. I believe I have some money in Ohios public land. I belive Ill be hunting it for $130. I live on the coast, my area is heavly fished from people that dont live on the coast. I dont think someone who lives in a non coastal state should pay out the a** to come hear and catch trout, snapper, grouper, amberjack, etc. just because thier state doesnt have this kind of fishing, its stupid. Im tired of hearing about the top 5 crap. How many state do you think has a lagitamite hunting population of whitetail deer. Let me put it to you like this, watching hunting on the outdoor channel, etc. states mostly hunted are Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Iowa, Illinios, Missouri, kentucky probably forgot a few but maybe 10 to 12 mayjor hunting states for whitetail out of 50, I mean, come on. Get of the high horse. I not tring to knock Ohios hunting but Im sick and tired of hearing you resident set forth claim to the great hunting in Ohio, like you've personnaly had something to do with it. You should be thinking the farmers and the strick regulations on deer harvesting. Im gonna come to ohio this year, just like year in the past and pay what ever the license and tags are and fill everyone I can get my hands on, or money can buy, if next year its more than this year Im going to open my wallet and get out some more cash, and pay it just for you, the cry babies. I dont think that licenses will ever reach the illinios price tag. But if it goes up in the coming years so be it.

I believe all of the residents here also pay an income tax so, I think they should decide how much you pay to hunt in their state..:coolgleamA::coolgleamA::p

l]Unnb@$Z:gaga:

[ohiosam]

Ill put it to you residents like this, I come and hunt public land that is if im not mistaken funded mostly by federal dollars, and ran by federal dollars. all of ohios public land isnt maintained by state taxes. I pay around $20,000 in federal income tax. I believe I have some money in Ohios public land. I belive Ill be hunting it for $130. I live on the coast, my area is heavly fished from people that dont live on the coast. I dont think someone who lives in a non coastal state should pay out the a** to come hear and catch trout, snapper, grouper, amberjack, etc. just because thier state doesnt have this kind of fishing, its stupid. Im tired of hearing about the top 5 crap. How many state do you think has a lagitamite hunting population of whitetail deer. Let me put it to you like this, watching hunting on the outdoor channel, etc. states mostly hunted are Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Iowa, Illinios, Missouri, kentucky probably forgot a few but maybe 10 to 12 mayjor hunting states for whitetail out of 50, I mean, come on. Get of the high horse. I not tring to knock Ohios hunting but Im sick and tired of hearing you resident set forth claim to the great hunting in Ohio, like you've personnaly had something to do with it. You should be thinking the farmers and the strick regulations on deer harvesting. Im gonna come to ohio this year, just like year in the past and pay what ever the license and tags are and fill everyone I can get my hands on, or money can buy, if next year its more than this year Im going to open my wallet and get out some more cash, and pay it just for you, the cry babies. I dont think that licenses will ever reach the illinios price tag. But if it goes up in the coming years so be it.

Mississippi "all game" license resident $17, non-resident $300:irked:

[Deehntr56]

Mississippi "all game" license resident $17, non-resident $300:irked:

Slam Dunk Osam!!:yikes::biggrin::biggrin:

[bowhunter1023]

I not tring to knock Ohios hunting but Im sick and tired of hearing you resident set forth claim to the great hunting in Ohio, like you've personnaly had something to do with it. You should be thinking the farmers and the strick regulations on deer harvesting.

We do have something to do with it!!! What an arrogant and ignorant statement. Hunters all over the state share some responsibility for the quality of our deer herd here in Ohio. We are harvesting more does than ever, more and more hunters are letting younger bucks walk, planting food plots is on the rise, and providing year-round nutrition through supplemental feeding and mineral supplementation is something that more land managers are choosing to implement on their properties. Our resident hunters are on the front line of the management efforts here in Ohio, not NR hunters like yourself. We are here from January through Decemeber doing our part to make Ohio one of the best states in the country for deer hunting. We are a proud group of hunters who are appreciative of our harvest regulations and for the land we have to hunt. Ohio's resident hunters do share in the responsibility for the quality of our deer herd and don't you ever forget that! Man that chaps my ass...

[antiqucycle]

Rich non residents come in, wave some greenbacks in a clueless farmer's face, who owes property taxes, and he gets exclusive rights to hunt, kicking out 20-30 residents who formerly had permission to hunt for the last 30 years. The Ohio hunters see the non residents still in the woods, a couple hours after quitting time, sitting in a tree stand. Then you find dead bucks that were arrowed on the adjacent leased property that did not make the record book, left to rot.


One thing Ohio hunters need to do is educate farmers who plan to lease, just how much money is being made by the fly by night outfitters and that the farmer should get a major cut out of the deal. And that once they lease their property, they have no idea who will be on the property or what kind ethics they have. and since money exchange hands, they just can't kick the bums out.

[ohiobowhntr1]

Hey Rhino, are you one of the group of hunters that comes up near Athens to hunt? The camp ground is full of NR's that are respectful.. heck I have even held camp for a couple Alabama boys that camp with me for free. I went down to hunt Alabama one Jan. and for a three day permit it was 150.00 for just three stinking days... I think it was 200 for 5 days. They love it up here and will continue come even if Ohio raises the permit fees because of our deer herd and the opportunity at a big boy roaming the public lands here.

[mrex]

Rich non residents come in, wave some greenbacks in a clueless farmer's face, who owes property taxes, and he gets exclusive rights to hunt, kicking out 20-30 residents who formerly had permission to hunt for the last 30 years. The Ohio hunters see the non residents still in the woods, a couple hours after quitting time, sitting in a tree stand. Then you find dead bucks that were arrowed on the adjacent leased property that did not make the record book, left to rot.


It's been my experience that the 20 or 30 residents are more likely to bend the rules than a handful of non-residents.

[jackalope]

Ill put it to you residents like this, I come and hunt public land that is if im not mistaken funded mostly by federal dollars, and ran by federal dollars. all of ohios public land isnt maintained by state taxes. I pay around $20,000 in federal income tax. I believe I have some money in Ohios public land. I belive Ill be hunting it for $130. I live on the coast, my area is heavly fished from people that dont live on the coast. I dont think someone who lives in a non coastal state should pay out the a** to come hear and catch trout, snapper, grouper, amberjack, etc. just because thier state doesnt have this kind of fishing, its stupid. Im tired of hearing about the top 5 crap. How many state do you think has a lagitamite hunting population of whitetail deer. Let me put it to you like this, watching hunting on the outdoor channel, etc. states mostly hunted are Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Iowa, Illinios, Missouri, kentucky probably forgot a few but maybe 10 to 12 mayjor hunting states for whitetail out of 50, I mean, come on. Get of the high horse. I not tring to knock Ohios hunting but Im sick and tired of hearing you resident set forth claim to the great hunting in Ohio, like you've personnaly had something to do with it. You should be thinking the farmers and the strick regulations on deer harvesting. Im gonna come to ohio this year, just like year in the past and pay what ever the license and tags are and fill everyone I can get my hands on, or money can buy, if next year its more than this year Im going to open my wallet and get out some more cash, and pay it just for you, the cry babies. I dont think that licenses will ever reach the illinios price tag. But if it goes up in the coming years so be it.


I grew up half my natural life hunting the delta of Mississippi south of Vicksburg in some of the most fertile farmland in America.... Crappy part is deer don't eat cotton. However they love worthless kudzu... I shot my first deer in Ms and countless more.. I now live in Ohio.... And I'll tell ya something there buddy.. You can keep that freaking state when it comes to deer hunting...

Sure you might see hunting shows in MS on tv. But where are they, Terra Wildlife, Reagan island.. That has no bearing of the quality of deer hunting in the state.. That's a deer farm.


With that being said I have shot untold amounts of dog sized deer in that state and it is NOWHERE NEAR the quality that Ohio has in regards to the quality of our animals... You could take the worst county in Ohio for deer kills and I would hunt it with my bow before going back to the MS delta to hunt the best county with a 30-06..

And public land in Ms is a joke. If there are deer on it at all you are more likely to get shot by a highpower than kill a decent deer. Well that or run over by some jackass and his 15 dogs running deer during "Either sex with dogs" season..


Now turk hunting is another story.. MS Turk hunting kick ohio's butt x 100

[Monroe]

Why is MS turkey hunting so good?

[ohiosam]

Why is MS turkey hunting so good?

Jack's still POed about his spring turkey hunt;)

[jackalope]

Why is MS turkey hunting so good?

Mississippi
Est. Pop. 575,000

Alabama
Est. Pop. 500,000

Ohio
Est. Pop. 220,000

Ok maybe not 100x better but 2.5x better anyway..

The season in MS runs Mid-March to Early May..
The season In Alabama ran about the same

I shot my first bird in MS at 14, by myself with an old lynch box call.. And shot my two birds a year in Ms. Then I would hunt Al and usually limited there also...

In Ohio, well... Lets just say my record is far less than stellar..




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[deerhunt45]

Are Ohio turkeys harder to hunt than say...Mississippi or Alabama birds?

If you define good hunting as making a kill or taking a limit, then I would have to agree I'd go to other states that have more turkeys. It's just been recently that all 88 counties in Ohio could say they even had a turkey population. Those populations and the opportunities in Ohio will continue to increase in coming years I suspect.

Hard to imagine an animal with a pea sized brain can humble a grown man :D don't know because I've never hunted them...

[Bucko]

Not to Hijack the post But......That's a fact on the turkey will just get better ,we had none ,then we had them in western part of the state now we are lousy with them state wide.they eat every nut in the woods.

[benehunter]

It's been my experience that the 20 or 30 residents are more likely to bend the rules than a handful of non-residents.

I've been amazed at the amount of Ohio residents that have told me they shoot deer out of season and do other stuff I would never do. But I guess it doesn't matter here because it looks like all the problems are caused by the NR regardless what anybody says (including all the trash on the side of the road at the WNF).;)

It's been my experience that most NR hunters that go to Ohio practice some kind of doe management program, follow the rules and pick up the trash some resident left behind.

Plus if there are no deer in Ohio, why raise the NR tags??? I don't get it.

[RUTIN]

Seems like some people are taking the NR tag price to heart. The whole topic of this forum is to equal out the prices between states NR hunters. If there are no deer in ohio then dont waste your time? If all you see is trash in WNF it must all be hunters and not the other thousands of people that visit that site! Simply saying theres wrong doers everywhere you go. I know as a NR in Illinois i leave the land prestine when i leave also, who cares! every ethical hunter should do that! The simple fact is Ohio has had the media blow it up into a meca-state and we need to make it fair across the board to equal up to those other states. I feel like most people are so sick and tired of hearing people blow ohio up on our giants bucks but then keep our NR price so low.... its absolute BS, when damn near EVERYWHERE has a NR fee twice or three times ours! I wish they would take all that extra money and perserve some damn public land in every state so its fair across the board, and considering ohio has a ton of public land, what the hell do the other states offer. Every NR on this site would be the exact same way if your state got blown up for its deer and then you lost your land to NR or had more and more people to compete with bc your NR fee was dirt cheap. Its a simple consept, if your state charges $300 for NR, then we charge you $300..... $90 then $90, it should be equal across the board and some of you are taking this as we hate NR's. I think thats BS i have a ton of fun being a NR in some areas and enjoy the NR's i meet here. I just wish our prices were alot more fair in comparison to the states we compete against in the books every year.

[rhino2726]

Not disputing that any of you dont pay taxes. I wish I could say i didnt. Just not seeing the point about thinking just because your a resident you think a NR should come in and pay some outraggous price to hunt public land not some private farm or leased property, when my tax dollars fund the property I will be hunting just as much as yours HUNTERFORLIFE, or probably more.

[rhino2726]

Mississippi "all game" license resident $17, non-resident $300:irked:
Not sure on the nonresident license here, But I dont make the price either.

[rhino2726]

We do have something to do with it!!! What an arrogant and ignorant statement. Hunters all over the state share some responsibility for the quality of our deer herd here in Ohio. We are harvesting more does than ever, more and more hunters are letting younger bucks walk, planting food plots is on the rise, and providing year-round nutrition through supplemental feeding and mineral supplementation is something that more land managers are choosing to implement on their properties. Our resident hunters are on the front line of the management efforts here in Ohio, not NR hunters like yourself. We are here from January through Decemeber doing our part to make Ohio one of the best states in the country for deer hunting. We are a proud group of hunters who are appreciative of our harvest regulations and for the land we have to hunt. Ohio's resident hunters do share in the responsibility for the quality of our deer herd and don't you ever forget that! Man that chaps my ass...

Not being arrogant, You only shoot what the Odnr lets you. You shoot however many does the ODNR allows you to get tags for. Some of you will say its buck management and some may lagitamitly practice that, but you only get on buck a year. Its already being managed for you. Whos going to waste their one and only buck tag on a small deer if you only get 1. come on.

[jackalope]

Not disputing that any of you dont pay taxes. I wish I could say i didnt. Just not seeing the point about thinking just because your a resident you think a NR should come in and pay some outraggous price to hunt public land not some private farm or leased property, when my tax dollars fund the property I will be hunting just as much as yours HUNTERFORLIFE, or probably more.

If thats the case then whats wrong with your national forests?

Bienville, Delta, Desoto, Holly Springs, Homochitto, and Tombigee National Forest..

Or the many WMAs that Ms has to offer.. I mean after all there are tons of hunting shows filmed in Ms right..



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[rhino2726]

Hey Rhino, are you one of the group of hunters that comes up near Athens to hunt? The camp ground is full of NR's that are respectful.. heck I have even held camp for a couple Alabama boys that camp with me for free. I went down to hunt Alabama one Jan. and for a three day permit it was 150.00 for just three stinking days... I think it was 200 for 5 days. They love it up here and will continue come even if Ohio raises the permit fees because of our deer herd and the opportunity at a big boy roaming the public lands here.

Your right. We hunt the strouse run area, along with some private land in the area that we were approched, by the land owner to hunt. Does that sound like someone who is disrespectful. The deal is that I started coming to ohio with some buddies, and every year you hear someone with a bad attitude for NR because they feel they dont have enough property to themselves. They want the fees to go up in hopes that it will solve their problem. I come to hunt and have a good time. we dont drive 14 hours for nothing. Met some good people around the camp areas and never no disrespect. If you got charged 200 dollars to hunt hear I think Its B**L S**T. I think its all over greed and thats my problem. Im 28 and I live to hunt and cost me enough money as it is. And to have someone think their better or I owe them something because their a resident is S**T.

[Deehntr56]

Let's compare a few to see where Ohio falls....

Missisippi...NR License~~ $300.00

Wyoming NR Deer License~`$316.00 or $566.00 Special tag.

Wisconsin NR Deer $160.00 Gun and $160.00 Archery.

Kansas NR License $72.50 plus Deer Permit of $322.50

Illinois NR Archery Deer permit $400.00, Gun $300.00, and Muzzleloader $250.00 Plus NR Hunting License cost.

Iowa just raised their NR license fee from $81.50 to $110.50 and their preference points for DEER from $10.00 each to $50.50 each. Add the Deer tag cost of anywhere from $226.50 to $296.50 to this and voila....:whistle:

Ohio $125.00 and Deer permit $24.00...Hmmmmmmmmm it seems like we are a "steal".:irked::whistle:


Top it off, many Ohio Residents manage the deer and do it well. They spend a lot of time and money to "help' preserve the deer and thier habitat. There are some "serious" non-residents that do also.

Anyone that "knows" the situation, knows Ohio needs to boost this area of revenue up to accomodate the great hunting there is here. It's a no-brainer.

NR will still come, because they know Ohioan's do a great job at managing the deer herd. They will pay the price.

Look at the states above. You see them "hurting" for NR's???? Don't think so!!

[hunterforlife]

:evilsmile:Cough up the dough, Rhino:mischeif::coolgleamA:

[bowhunter1023]

Plus if there are no deer in Ohio, why raise the NR tags??? I don't get it.

You are starting to sound like a resident! There ain't no deer in Ohio :mischeif::shhh::D

[mrex]

Are Ohio turkeys harder to hunt than say...Mississippi or Alabama birds?

No Charlie, they're not. As as matter of fact, it's the exact opposite. Jackalope is hunting a small portion of the toughest area in SE Ohio and trying to paint the whole state with the same brush. The area he's hunting would be comparable with most areas of Mississippi or Alabama.

MS and Alabama do have more birds than us but they also have a lot more habitat. I've literally spent months and months chasing turkeys in the deep south and SE over the last 20+ years on some of the best property the south has to offer, with some of the best turkey hunters in the world, and without question, our birds are easier to hunt. With the exception of Joe, you can ask any veteran hunter who's hunted both areas and you'll get the same opinion.

Here's why Ohio, or any state, (like Vermont) with a relatively young or new turkey flock has better hunting. The deep south has had huntable populations of turkeys forever. Years of gobbler only harvest have skewed their gobbler to hen ratios so bad that the gobblers don't have to compete for available hens. No matter how good you sound, she looks better. They gobble to attract hens. When a tom turkey gobbles, he's also telling every predator in the woods his exact location. Once the hens are in sight, the birds quiet down. They're born one-to-one, but in most areas of the south its probably 10 hens for every one gobbler, (or worse). In areas where the flock has just been established, (like most of Ohio) the ratios are much better and the birds are much more vocal, making them easier, and a lot more fun to hunt.

The same analogy can be used when comparing West Virginia deer hunting with Ohio deer hunting. WV has more deer than Ohio but their buck to doe ratio is so screwed up because of over buck harvest that the bucks they do have don't make much sign because there isn't much competition for available does.

Some biologists and veteran hunters believe that the "un natural" selection of so many gobblers for so long in some areas of the south is leading to a less vocal flock. The vocal birds get shot, leaving the less vocal birds to do the breeding. You can breed specific characteristics into a dog in just a few generations and it's reasonable to believe this is happening to turkeys in the south.

Oh, and any kill stats are irrelevant, Mississippi and Alabama don't have check stations.

[rhino2726]

If thats the case then whats wrong with your national forests?

Bienville, Delta, Desoto, Holly Springs, Homochitto, and Tombigee National Forest..

Or the many WMAs that Ms has to offer.. I mean after all there are tons of hunting shows filmed in Ms right..



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There are a ton of public land hear. I own a 100 acers in central MS. I come to Ohio every year for some what of a vacation, just happens to be during hunting season. I not going to lie, better chance of a bigger deer in Ohio, but more of a reason than that. Just a different place to hunt. Why do motorcross riders travel to different track, why do people vacation some where other than where they live? For a change.

[ohiosam]

Rhino, Your profile says you're in construction. Do you charge your customers what you do because you are greedy or you hate them or do you charge something in the ball park of the going rate? Because your skill, experience and labor have value and you deserve to be compensated fairly. The price of licenses really should be looked at the same way.

[rhino2726]

Rhino, Your profile says you're in construction. Do you charge your customers what you do because you are greedy or you hate them or do you charge something in the ball park of the going rate? Because your skill, experience and labor have value and you deserve to be compensated fairly. The price of licenses really should be looked at the same way.


You see that your problem, your wrong. Nothing like the same. I provide a customer with a product due to my skill and work ethic. Thats what I get paid for. I am providing a service that can be provided by other people at different prices, some higher, some lower. But its me provideing the service, its you the residents that are complaining about the license fees, not the state in which is provideing me with a place to hunt. You the resident, dont recieve a dimes worth of my money. Its like the neighbor down the road complaining about what I charged someone to build their house in that neighborhood. They have no say so, and has nothing to do with them. They live their, walk the roads, attend neighborhood watch meetings, but dont have anything to do with what I charge to build a house in that neighborhood. Same deal, You the resident live in Ohio, you hunt in Ohio, but have no say so on what I should be charged to hunt In Ohio. Especially when your not provideing me with deer. I dont care what other states charge, or why and you the resident dont know either. Some states charge what they charge because they only have so many deer tags for a given year. Some charge higher fees than Ohio because they have more to offer, as far a how may deer you can shoot. In MS a hunting license will get you as many does as you want on private land and up to three bucks, I heard some on say it cost $200 for a Non Resdent license. If you dont like it dont hunt there, but wanting to cost me more money because you think Im getting more for my money than I should is crazy.

[Mountaineer]

Just spent all day yesterday and today in Ohio scouting a new peice of Publicland with my buddy...hiked over 8 miles and in those 8 or so miles..we found only 2 spots that will gauruntee a hunter for a chance at a monster..This is the kind of effort NR's have to deal with..Im not complaining..because Im used to this kind of effort..But I highly doubt many residents put forth such effort..We dont have it easy to begin with and raising NR fees wont help us in any way shape or form.

Also...went and visited the 1500 acre privateland Ohio farm this morning..Farmer gave me 4 permission slips and said .."Enjoy it this season..this will be the last year i let people hunt."..I asked him why? He said..It will be leased by a local Outfitter and he will be charging for hunts...Even tho I never hunted this property and may never..It still bothers me that this land will now be locked out to the locals and turned into Zoo like conditions where Bucks are grown like tomatoes and hunters are charged big money.

I hate whats happening to hunting..But you know what..ill continue to give the unfortunate hunters hope and show them success can occur on Publiclands..land that can never be taken from them.

[ohiosam]

You see that your problem, your wrong. Nothing like the same. I provide a customer with a product due to my skill and work ethic. Thats what I get paid for. I am providing a service that can be provided by other people at different prices, some higher, some lower. But its me provideing the service, its you the residents that are complaining about the license fees, not the state in which is provideing me with a place to hunt. You the resident, dont recieve a dimes worth of my money. Its like the neighbor down the road complaining about what I charged someone to build their house in that neighborhood. They have no say so, and has nothing to do with them. They live their, walk the roads, attend neighborhood watch meetings, but dont have anything to do with what I charge to build a house in that neighborhood. Same deal, You the resident live in Ohio, you hunt in Ohio, but have no say so on what I should be charged to hunt In Ohio. Especially when your not provideing me with deer. I dont care what other states charge, or why and you the resident dont know either. Some states charge what they charge because they only have so many deer tags for a given year. Some charge higher fees than Ohio because they have more to offer, as far a how may deer you can shoot. In MS a hunting license will get you as many does as you want on private land and up to three bucks, I heard some on say it cost $200 for a Non Resdent license. If you dont like it dont hunt there, but wanting to cost me more money because you think Im getting more for my money than I should is crazy.

Your labor is a resource that belongs to you alone, you have the right to charge for it or give it away. The deer is a resource that belongs to all residents in the state, just like timber or minerals on public land. The state has an obligation to all residents to make sure it has fairly priced the resources that it "sells".

[mrex]

..we found only 2 spots that will gauruntee a hunter for a chance at a monster..

How did you identify these spots?

[Buckeye Dan]

I was wondering how many of you have an issue with our non-resident hunting license price? Personally ive wrote numberous emails and contacted the ODNR on the topic and it seems to get no where! I think its INSANE that our non-resident tags is damn near 1/3 of most other midwest states. I believe that what every state you come from you should have to pay there non-resident fee. For instance i hunt Illinois every year and pay a stupid amount of $400 to trophy hunt there state. Thats bow only, one buck & one doe, plus $50 for hunting license. Ohio is $130 and then to top it all off its $24 the same damn price we pay for our either sex tag. Does this topic touch a sore spot on anyone else that our state get flat out murdered and were one of the top 5 states? I was told by ODNR due to the economy this would not be a good time to raise our prices!!! BS.... k im done ranting!!!!!

The non resident hunting license fees are fine by me. What we need to do is implement non resident deer tags. They should not get our $15 archery antlerless permits at all. And they shouldn't get our $24 either sex tags at all.

What would really be nice is a non resident $24 doe only tag and non resident buck tag $125 same as license. This might give us some doe action until they see what is out there. But after a nice doe hunt which is still cost effective by the way. The non residents would be running to the stores for the more expensive buck tag in short order once they got a look see at what's out there. Makes perfect sense to me to just give them their own tags.

But in reality by them spending their money the same as you for tags and licenses...They have as much right to the game as we do. That money goes right back into the system that makes Ohio the great place to hunt that it is. The resources will do pretty much what they want. It's a fine line between gouging/exploit and welcoming our out of State brothers to share in our bounty.

[Monroe]

Thanks for the turkey insight. Always wanted to go South for a turkey - have had the chance, but always too busy.

Anyway - no one ever answered why I should pay more to hunt in Monroe county? I have been looking for 10 years for a place I would be "guaranteed a monster". Haven't found it yet. Maybe it is you guys that owe me...

Quit bitc%hing, you only have so many Ruts left...

[Gern186]

How did you identify these spots?


Must have been in Rob McCarleys favorite high fence location:whistle::whistle:

Come on Mountaineer, there are no guarantees in hunting, especially when it comes to big bucks.

[Mountaineer]

The lay of the land and the enviromental conditions dictates these spots. Sure. we found lots of possibilities..but the odds of success in those spots would be lower. I ask myself One question..Can i sit here 1 solid week dawn to dusk during the rut and get a crack at a good buck? if i think i can ..then i consider it a Spot to hunt..If not..i dont bother..Most hunters think in terms of Hours on stand..couple hours in the morning..couple hours in the evening ...this day that day..thats fine but i dont go about it that way...If i hunt...I pick 4 or 5 days in a row and hunt strait thru..dawn to dusk....I think in terms of days on stand not a couple hours here and there. My GPS indicated we hiked around 6 to8 miles..zig zagging..here and there..Only 2 spots looked like the odds would be in our favor. Sure..thers no gauruntees..but you can greatly increase your odds 10 fold.

[ohiobowhntr1]

Your right. We hunt the strouse run area, along with some private land in the area that we were approched, by the land owner to hunt. .

Well then I have met you before, I have been camping there for the past 15 years. I camp all the way in the campground near the bridge and turn around.... I speak to many guys from your group on a daily basis and know your land owner that allows you to hunt... Spoke to him several times over the summer, he even offered me permission but when he mentioned his grandson and all his friends would be in there plus yall I passed. What week y'all coming up this year? We are planning the second week the 5th - 14th...
I think you may be taking this whole idea of fees the wrong way, atleast I know I am not trying to dictate what you pay we are just making observations. I know for myself because I speak to so many wildlife officers that they are spread thin having to watch 3 to 4 parks solo.. we as residents are just trying to think of ways to help raise money for our ailing economy... dont take it personal.

[Deehntr56]

Thanks for the turkey insight. Always wanted to go South for a turkey - have had the chance, but always too busy.

Anyway - no one ever answered why I should pay more to hunt in Monroe county? I have been looking for 10 years for a place I would be "guaranteed a monster". Haven't found it yet. Maybe it is you guys that owe me...

Quit bitc%hing, you only have so many Ruts left...

Because you "choose" to hunt there, you tell us why.

Why did you Hunt Ohio or in Monroe? If you don't want to pay the fee, you have choices in life to hunt elsewhere.

Why does someone hunting in Cuyahoga County need to pay the same. Because that's the fee structure. They choose to hunt there.

I hunt counties and other "states" I don't live in. I did my reserach and garnished permission, and I hunt there. My choice.

Your not happy with your choice, you may want to evaluate why you made that choice and try a new approach.

It's a simple concept.

Guarantees??? LOL.... There are "two" guarantees in Life...Death and Taxes, the rest relies on what you make of it. Well, unless your mtneer, he wants guarantees and deer pushed to him> :biggrin:

[jackalope]

No Charlie, they're not. As as matter of fact, it's the exact opposite. Jackalope is hunting a small portion of the toughest area in SE Ohio and trying to paint the whole state with the same brush. The area he's hunting would be comparable with most areas of Mississippi or Alabama.

MS and Alabama do have more birds than us but they also have a lot more habitat. I've literally spent months and months chasing turkeys in the deep south and SE over the last 20+ years on some of the best property the south has to offer, with some of the best turkey hunters in the world, and without question, our birds are easier to hunt. With the exception of Joe, you can ask any veteran hunter who's hunted both areas and you'll get the same opinion.

Here's why Ohio, or any state, (like Vermont) with a relatively young or new turkey flock has better hunting. The deep south has had huntable populations of turkeys forever. Years of gobbler only harvest have skewed their gobbler to hen ratios so bad that the gobblers don't have to compete for available hens. No matter how good you sound, she looks better. They gobble to attract hens. When a tom turkey gobbles, he's also telling every predator in the woods his exact location. Once the hens are in sight, the birds quiet down. They're born one-to-one, but in most areas of the south its probably 10 hens for every one gobbler, (or worse). In areas where the flock has just been established, (like most of Ohio) the ratios are much better and the birds are much more vocal, making them easier, and a lot more fun to hunt.

The same analogy can be used when comparing West Virginia deer hunting with Ohio deer hunting. WV has more deer than Ohio but their buck to doe ratio is so screwed up because of over buck harvest that the bucks they do have don't make much sign because there isn't much competition for available does.

Some biologists and veteran hunters believe that the "un natural" selection of so many gobblers for so long in some areas of the south is leading to a less vocal flock. The vocal birds get shot, leaving the less vocal birds to do the breeding. You can breed specific characteristics into a dog in just a few generations and it's reasonable to believe this is happening to turkeys in the south.

Oh, and any kill stats are irrelevant, Mississippi and Alabama don't have check stations.

Very Small Portion of SE Ohio you say? I have hunted birds in Vinton county north and south, Ross, Athens, WNF, Tar Hollow, and Wildcat hollow in Ohio...

And one thing holds true... Bird numbers are way way out of wack.. Leading to some very difficult hunting. Couple that with half day only hunting and it's about worthless..

You are correct there are plenty of hens in MS also.. But I can hunt these birds at 5pm when the hens have gone to do other things.. Nesting / laying eggs / feeding.... And old stud Mr. tom is left alone and frantically looking for a lone hen...

I have hunted many many areas of Ms to include Vicksburg, Utica, Yazoo, Granada and many other spots.. Across the boarder in Alabama it's a little more tough but not impossible....

It is Nothing to walk out on a cool morning hit the call and have 6 birds hammer back and that was pretty much everywhere I went. If a bird hangs up give him 30 min and forget about him. Move on to another one.. They are difficult to hunt in the south but there are also far far more of them..... I don't have to work one semi vocal bird all morning like here in Ohio.. I have the ability to say the heck with him and go locate another one. It's easy.. I could usually locate another bird in as little as 30 min but never more than an hour..

For as many things that can happen working a bird, hens, hung up, not-interested, shuts up, or disappears.. It's nice to be able to say the heck with him and go get on another one and have ALL DAY to do that.

It's a numbers game...

Now maybe a lot has changed in the magnolia state in the past 10 years and the turk hunting has gone to crap.. I haven't hunted there in 10 years so maybe I'm just reminiscing of the old MS heyday or turk hunting.

Or maybe i was just that good at age 14-20 lol..... Then went to crap after that... Who knows.. I guess i should make a trip back to the old magnolia state next spring.. And see how horrible it has become.. One thing is for sure though, it can't be worse that the last 3 years in Ohio...

[Mountaineer]

Haveing too many hens is a minor problem compared to low bird populations. Im not surprised the TV guys think too many Hens is a problem.

Ive hunted Northern missouri since about 1993...I'll hear 20 to 50 gobblers at dawn on publicland..but here's the thing..there's 5 times the amount of hens...never a problem for us..we bring back 2 birds each every year.

The TV guys are the last ones to use as examples:tsk:

[jackalope]

Haveing too many hens is a minor problem compared to low bird populations. Im not surprised the TV guys think too many Hens is a problem.

Ive hunted Northern missouri since about 1993...I'll hear 20 to 50 gobblers at dawn on publicland..but here's the thing..there's 5 times the amount of hens...never a problem for us..we bring back 2 birds each every year.

The TV guys are the last ones to use as examples:tsk:


I don't think having to many hens is a bad thing.. In reality i don't care how many there are.. But if we only have 222,000 birds and another state has over 500,000 (both estimated) it doesn't take an genius to figure out you're going to have 2.5 time more opportunities at birds.. Throw in the fact that you can hunt all day and you could at a minimum double that chance to 5x or better.. And that's not including the added benefit of afternoon birds where the hens are off doing other things. IMO exponentially increasing the odds..


In Ms and Al I might not get my bird at 7:30 am.. But i bet by 3pm I'm carrying one out.. Why, because if that birds not cooperating, I have 2.5x the opportunity to go find another bird.. And if that new bird doesn't work out.. I can even go back to the first bird around 3pm and see if he's now willing to work.. Couple more birds with the ability to hunt in the evening and it goes up even more.....

Turk hunting is all about 1.Finding Birds 2.Their Workability.. Increase the number of birds and double the allowed hunting time and both will be better.

But as it stood Ohio had almost 1/3 less birds and half the time..

Now next year in the last 2 weeks we'll get to hunt all day. It should be interesting.

[mrex]

Very Small Portion of SE Ohio you say? I have hunted birds in Vinton county north and south, Ross, Athens, WNF, Tar Hollow, and Wildcat hollow in Ohio...

And where were the birds re-introduced to Ohio 50 years ago???? That's right -- Vinton county north and south, Ross, Athens, WNF, Tar Hollow, and Wildcat Hollow. You've systematically hunted the toughest areas of Ohio and those areas are getting a lot like the deep south.

There's a lot of areas in Ohio where the flock is still young. That's why the kill has remained flat.


You are correct there are plenty of hens in MS also.. But I can hunt these birds at 5pm when the hens have gone to do other things.. Nesting / laying eggs / feeding.... And old stud Mr. tom is left alone and frantically looking for a lone hen...

Most afternoon birds are shot are shot in ambush by field or roost sitters. I'd rather watch paint dry.

[mrex]

I don't think having to many hens is a bad thing.. In reality i don't care how many there are.. But if we only have 222,000 birds and another state has over 500,000 (both estimated) it doesn't take an genius to figure out you're going to have 2.5 time more opportunities at birds..

But apparently, you have to be smarter than the average bear to figure out that if one state has considerably less habitat and considerably more people, the turkeys will be confined to a much smaller area. And if one state has a better gobbler to hen ratio, and the gobblers have to compete for available hens, then those gobblers will be considerably easier and MORE FUN to hunt.

[mrex]

Haveing too many hens is a minor problem compared to low bird populations. Im not surprised the TV guys think too many Hens is a problem.

Ive hunted Northern missouri since about 1993...I'll hear 20 to 50 gobblers at dawn on publicland..but here's the thing..there's 5 times the amount of hens...never a problem for us..we bring back 2 birds each every year.

The TV guys are the last ones to use as examples:tsk:

If you're hearing 50 gobblers on the roost, there can't be any sport in shooting one. Ray Charles could guide Stevie Wonder to a bird under those conditions. Just sit down, one of them has to come your way. I thought you were all about the experience? What happened to the "old salt" Mainer we've read so much about. You know, the guy who only respects the hunter who "earns" his success. You sound like Rob McCarley hunting in a Butterball Slaughter House.

[rhino2726]

Your labor is a resource that belongs to you alone, you have the right to charge for it or give it away. The deer is a resource that belongs to all residents in the state, just like timber or minerals on public land. The state has an obligation to all residents to make sure it has fairly priced the resources that it "sells".


I believe that I would have some say so also, being that its public land. Last I checked I am considered the public. And also my money goes towards this public land too. Every state public land recieves federal funds, My money pays for research, federal wildlife officals paychecks, etc. Minerals, thats a good subject. You think what minerals come out of ohio you get a discount and evereyone else pays a higher price. Let me give you a example. the Gulf of Mexico is out my back door. I fish the oil rigs all the time right off the coast. You think I pay a cheaper gas price at the pump, :tsk: You pay less than I do, gas was always cheaper in ohio. And it comes of my coast. How would you like it if I said that you should pay double the gas prices I do.

[rhino2726]

Well then I have met you before, I have been camping there for the past 15 years. I camp all the way in the campground near the bridge and turn around.... I speak to many guys from your group on a daily basis and know your land owner that allows you to hunt... Spoke to him several times over the summer, he even offered me permission but when he mentioned his grandson and all his friends would be in there plus yall I passed. What week y'all coming up this year? We are planning the second week the 5th - 14th...
I think you may be taking this whole idea of fees the wrong way, atleast I know I am not trying to dictate what you pay we are just making observations. I know for myself because I speak to so many wildlife officers that they are spread thin having to watch 3 to 4 parks solo.. we as residents are just trying to think of ways to help raise money for our ailing economy... dont take it personal.


Not at all tring to take it personnal, If the fees were raised for NR to better the hunting and the land, or to pay the wildlife officials more, hey look would'nt have a problem in the world with it. My Pisstivity goes towards the people who think I dont have a right to come up to Ohio and hunt the public land just because they want to pull up to a camp site and not see another vehicle or person just because they want it all for themselves. To anyone other than that no harm mint. Your right probably seen or talked to you before, My favorite part about coming into the camp site everyday is to see what everyone has shot and shoot the S**T. Were not talking about the same guy, He has no kids and to my knowledge no one else hunts the property. Weve been talking to him pretty regularly in the past few months. We will also be there the 5 thru the 14. We were there last year from Oct 31 til Nov 7. we camp out right by the road. I drive a silver jacket up 4 door duramax. We were there the year before that a week later.

[jackalope]

And where were the birds re-introduced to Ohio 50 years ago???? That's right -- Vinton county north and south, Ross, Athens, WNF, Tar Hollow, and Wildcat Hollow. You've systematically hunted the toughest areas of Ohio and those areas are getting a lot like the deep south.

There's a lot of areas in Ohio where the flock is still young. That's why the kill has remained flat.


So you're saying the future of Ohios Turk hunting will only get crappier and crappier as the birds live there longer... If all those places suck because they were the first, it's only logical to assume other will follow suite. Much like the first areas to get reintroduced in Ohio with birds? Well that paints a hopeful future for Ohio turk hunting..



Most afternoon birds are shot are shot in ambush by field or roost sitters. I'd rather watch paint dry.

Are most birds in Ohio not killed within 100 yards of the roost on a preferred travel path in the mornings? Whats the difference in killing a bird 100 yards from the roost in the evening vs morning... Except where the sun sits on the horizon? I think even your buddy Eddie gave the tip of find the roost in the morning and figure out where the birds want to go, then set up...




Yep.. There it is..



Eddie Salter
If I locate a turkey, I don’t just say, “Okay, I’ve got you. I know where your roost is.” I stay with the turkey. I want to not only know from what tree the turkey’s gobbling and in what direction the tom will travel after he flies down from the tree. For instance, if I hear a turkey gobble from the roost and then hear him fly down, start gobbling and moving north, instead of planning to go to that roost tree the first morning of the season, I’ll take a stand about 100-yards north of the roost tree. I’ve done this, and before I even can make a call, a turkey may come straight to me. http://www.hunterspec.com/Updateable/update_display.cfm?pageID=2275&categoryID=12


Dang them southern roost sitters.. I tell ya! :nono:





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[jquintano78]

thats it i cant take it anymore i have been hunting the shawnee for three years now me and my buddies bust are butts scouting driving 5-6 hours and spending our money down there i love hunting there and thats what keeps us coming back trust me its not the courtesy we recieve when we are there some of the rudest people i have ever come across because of a football game give me a break u should be happy people are coming there to hunt and generally they are dedicated hunters like myself so raising the price is a joke but if the odnr choses to do so it wont stop me this is what i have to say i live on the best muskie lake in the north america lake st. clair and a great small mouth lake i keep my boat in a marina and the funny part is i sure do see alot of guys from ohio catching my fish thats the way u guys act about the deer so thats why i said that so i say we raise your fishing license to 500 dollars since this is a world class fishery and like i said the best lake for muskie so u guys are trying to compare ohio to kansas iowa and illinois come on so we have the best muskie lake and small mouth lake around so it should be fair to raise it to 400-500 right and one other thing i gave a tow in to a fellow from ohio if my vehicle was broke down and u saw my michigan plate u would probably run me over or keep driving get over it its just a game :rant::rant::rant:

[Deehntr56]

thats it i cant take it anymore i have been hunting the shawnee for three years now me and my buddies bust are butts scouting driving 5-6 hours and spending our money down there i love hunting there and thats what keeps us coming back trust me its not the courtesy we recieve when we are there some of the rudest people i have ever come across because of a football game give me a break u should be happy people are coming there to hunt and generally they are dedicated hunters like myself so raising the price is a joke but if the odnr choses to do so it wont stop me this is what i have to say i live on the best muskie lake in the north america lake st. clair and a great small mouth lake i keep my boat in a marina and the funny part is i sure do see alot of guys from ohio catching my fish thats the way u guys act about the deer so thats why i said that so i say we raise your fishing license to 500 dollars since this is a world class fishery and like i said the best lake for muskie so u guys are trying to compare ohio to kansas iowa and illinois come on so we have the best muskie lake and small mouth lake around so it should be fair to raise it to 400-500 right and one other thing i gave a tow in to a fellow from ohio if my vehicle was broke down and u saw my michigan plate u would probably run me over or keep driving get over it its just a game :rant::rant::rant:

WOW! And no Full moon out tonight!:biggrin::biggrin:

Ohio NR Fees>> License~~ $125.00 and Deer permit $24.00 ~~Total $149.00 For all hunting seasons.

Michigan NR fees~~~ $138.00 Archery Deer and $138.00 Gun. Combination total cost $276.00.

One other question, which state has CWD?

[jquintano78]

not comparing michigan deer hunting to ohio if u read what i said i was making a comparison to fishing and how we should charge more for fishing not hunting since we have a good muskie and small mouth fishery so get it right

[ohiosam]

Things must be bad in Michigan, they've run out of punctuation. :evilsmile:

[jquintano78]

and another thing alot of us hear in michigan think that was just a ploy to get rid of baiting oh yeah one other question if we have how long before u do have u thought about that:whistle::whistle:

[Mountaineer]

When i say i can hear upwards to 50 birds..it doesnt mean its everyday and it doesnt mean they are in my immediate area..I can hear birds upwards to a mile away..the point is..Too many hens is not a problem compared to Unsustainable bird populations such as Jackalope's area...i hunted jacks area now for the past 2 seasons..its some of the poorest turkey hunting ive ever experienced..Not that the birds are difficult..they just dont exist. There are more hunters afield then there are birds. 10 guys after one bird is not fun.:irked:

Where in Eddie's Salters equation does it include other hunter competition? These TV guys dont contend with such conditons so they really do understand the reality of what the common hunter deals with

[jquintano78]

oh i forgot u must be one of the rocket scientist that live in a trailer down there dont fire on me unless u want it back:tsk::tsk:

[Deehntr56]

not comparing michigan deer hunting to ohio if u read what i said i was making a comparison to fishing and how we should charge more for fishing not hunting since we have a good muskie and small mouth fishery so get it right

But I was!!! How come it's more expensive there, and we are a Top 5 state in the country for Mature Bucks along with quality deer Hunting????

We should be paying "less" to hunt there....but we would end up paying a lot more???:tsk:

Is that because were getting a Bonus with our Deer Harvest?:mischeif:

And if I wanted to fish there, I would pay the fee and be happy to do so..no complaints from me on that!:biggrin:

LOL @Osam!!!:biggrin::biggrin:

[jquintano78]

and i will pay it as well if they raise the nr fee but dont think they should

[ohiosam]

Does anyone know of a good Michigander translation website?:dizzy::mischeif::D

[Deehntr56]

and i will pay it as well if they raise the nr fee but dont think they should

I understand, and hope you do well in the future.

We all have our opinions, and I don't fault anyone for theirs...that is what this is all about...able to read and understand everyones view point.

[hunterforlife]

U guys should give up...These irrational NR's are ridiculous...;)

[rhino2726]

WOW! And no Full moon out tonight!:biggrin::biggrin:

Ohio NR Fees>> License~~ $125.00 and Deer permit $24.00 ~~Total $149.00 For all hunting seasons.

Michigan NR fees~~~ $138.00 Archery Deer and $138.00 Gun. Combination total cost $276.00.

One other question, which state has CWD?

Wow, I'll pay more on a NR license if it will go towards Ohio math classes. Man come on, obviously a NR isnt taking a short drive to another state. Most are not going to hunt archery and then drive all the way back for a gun season. Especially when you already filled your tag. Usually a 1 week visit. Ohio149.00 Michigan $138.00 cheaper

[Deehntr56]

Wow, I'll pay more on a NR license if it will go towards Ohio math classes. Man come on, obviously a NR isnt taking a short drive to another state. Most are not going to hunt archery and then drive all the way back for a gun season. Especially when you already filled your tag. Usually a 1 week visit. Ohio149.00 Michigan $138.00 cheaper

Wrong again, I have done it!:biggrin:

Plus Michigan isn't even close to the top ten state, so we should be paying much less!!

What was Your states NR cost and standing in the amount of mature bucks entered?:biggrin:

$300.00???

There's a reason you hunt here, and it isn't just for the scenery and the anterless deer!

[jquintano78]

trust me ohio sam i always feel a little smarter everytime i come back from ohio u should stop now and go to bed im sure your cousin is waiting:coolgleamA::coolgleamA:

[hunterforlife]

Is Jquintano an Indian name...If it is whats it stand for:mischeif:

[ohiosam]

trust me ohio sam i always feel a little smarter everytime i come back from ohio u should stop now and go to bed im sure your cousin is waiting:coolgleamA::coolgleamA:

You probably are smarter when you come back from Ohio. Yet another reason NRs license fees should be higher, the quality education you get just being around us. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee116/ohiosam/2020.gif


:D

[jquintano78]

dont know why dont u tell me

[jquintano78]

no thats not what i meant osam im sure u caught the cousin thing the only thing i have learned down there is who needs a garbage can when u have the whole yard:whistle:

[ohiosam]

See, it's working asterisks are almost punctuation, you're getting smarter already in just a few easy lessons.:cheeky-smiley-022:

Awe geez, you removed 'em. Backslider!

I notice you seem to have an incest fetish, and here I thought Michiganders were mostly into farm animals.http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee116/ohiosam/Boom.gif

[mrex]

So you're saying the future of Ohios Turk hunting will only get crappier and crappier as the birds live there longer... If all those places suck because they were the first, it's only logical to assume other will follow suite. Much like the first areas to get reintroduced in Ohio with birds? Well that paints a hopeful future for Ohio turk hunting..



Yes Joe, that's exactly what I'm saying. As all of Ohio's turkey flock matures, the quality of hunting will decline, just as it has in VC and the deep south. I spoke with an NWTF biologist last fall who predicts that turkeys wont gobble in many areas of their range in the next 50 years.

[jquintano78]

i can go bagging on u for hours but its kinda boring so im done but one thing while u are in your home watching your beloved buckeyes spitting your tobacco on the floor and dreaming about your cousin in a french maid outfit i will be down there shooting your deer and drinking your beer

[laxin]

Wow, I'll pay more on a NR license if it will go towards Ohio math classes. Man come on, obviously a NR isnt taking a short drive to another state. Most are not going to hunt archery and then drive all the way back for a gun season. Especially when you already filled your tag. Usually a 1 week visit. Ohio149.00 Michigan $138.00 cheaper


Really??? Rhino, why is it "obvious" that someone who lives within close proximity of a state border wouldn't hunt the neighboring state??? :mischeif: Furthermore, what qualifies as a "short drive"? I would imagine there are plenty of NR hunters in the OH woods each fall/winter who live within 5 hours of OH (I would quantify < 5 hours as a realtively short drive for hunting trip purposes).

I wonder if it is possible to get a dataset from the ODNR showing home postal codes for all hunting license applications. I would love to plot them on a map with some software I have to see the distribution across the US...:D

[ohiosam]

Giving up so soon? Oh, I just noticed it's almost 11. Did mom tell you to turn off the computer and brush your teeth because it's bed time?:16suspect1:

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[jquintano78]

at least i have teeth sorry couldnt help it

[hickslawns]

I think we have it fair in Ohio for hunting. Resident or non-resident. If they raise the fees AND the money goes into more wildlife programs or Park Rangers or at least doesn't get pissed away into the general fund, I would pay more.

While I am not siding with NR, in all fairness to them, when they travel here they do bring more dollars to our economy. Lodging, fuel, food, bars, etc. They spend money while traveling or staying here. However, so do many residents that travel to southern Ohio to hunt.

In regards to ethical hunters and litterbugs, let's face it: There are hacks from every state. There are poachers, guys leaving deer with no backstraps and heads, etc everywhere you go. Doesn't make it right, but it happens.

In regards to jquintino78: ????? Spit it out. What the heck are you trying to say? If you don't like our state, don't come here. This is why I only go to your state to pick up equipment cheap at your auctions. I don't like MI, so I just don't go there. You won't find me on Michigan Sportsman websites complaining and rambling incoherently.

[jquintano78]

first off u guys are the ones complaining like ohio is illinois dont get me wrong i love hunting there and your state has good hunting but its not the deer or the land im complaining about to ohio sam its the IGNORANT REDNECKS that have to be as rude as they possibly can over a football game i put it in caps for u so u understand now

[ohiobowhntr1]

Not at all tring to take it personnal, If the fees were raised for NR to better the hunting and the land, or to pay the wildlife officials more, hey look would'nt have a problem in the world with it. My Pisstivity goes towards the people who think I dont have a right to come up to Ohio and hunt the public land just because they want to pull up to a camp site and not see another vehicle or person just because they want it all for themselves. To anyone other than that no harm mint. Your right probably seen or talked to you before, My favorite part about coming into the camp site everyday is to see what everyone has shot and shoot the S**T. Were not talking about the same guy, He has no kids and to my knowledge no one else hunts the property. Weve been talking to him pretty regularly in the past few months. We will also be there the 5 thru the 14. We were there last year from Oct 31 til Nov 7. we camp out right by the road. I drive a silver jacket up 4 door duramax. We were there the year before that a week later.


We were down last year on the Thursday... I think the 5th. I drive a white Ext cab Silverado... I have seen your crew down there for a few years now and always enjoy talking to yall and I am the same, like to hear what everyone is seeing and shoot the Sh*t. I talked to the older gentleman that walks his small brown dog.. has something like a spanish name... cant remember. He was telling me that the same bunch of boys(y'all) from Mississippi would be up hunting his place so unless there is two groups(which there could be) it's gotta be the guy. I think y'all picked a good week this year and stop over and say hey, we will have our normal mixed bag at camp. Two boys from Alabama, my Dad, and my buddy Jay.. my name is Donnie.

[Outdoorsman]

:yikes:at least i have teeth sorry couldnt help it
OUCH!!!

[ohiosam]

Minerals, thats a good subject. You think what minerals come out of ohio you get a discount and evereyone else pays a higher price. Let me give you a example. the Gulf of Mexico is out my back door. I fish the oil rigs all the time right off the coast. You think I pay a cheaper gas price at the pump, :tsk: You pay less than I do, gas was always cheaper in ohio. And it comes of my coast. How would you like it if I said that you should pay double the gas prices I do.


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Nope, I pay 15 to 20 cents more then you do around Gulfport. On the 4-5000 gallons I go through a year that's close to $1000 more then if I lived where you do:tsk:

http://www.ohiogasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=A&area=Youngstown&dl=Y&intro=Y

http://www.mississippigasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=A&area=Gulfport&dl=Y&intro=Y

You still have not explained why Mississippi charges $300 to non-residents and what you are doing to change that.

[deerhunt45]

Originally Posted by rhino2726 http://www.ohiosportsman.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.ohiosportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?p=366398#post366398)
Minerals, thats a good subject. You think what minerals come out of ohio you get a discount and evereyone else pays a higher price. Let me give you a example. the Gulf of Mexico is out my back door. I fish the oil rigs all the time right off the coast. You think I pay a cheaper gas price at the pump, :tsk: You pay less than I do, gas was always cheaper in ohio. And it comes of my coast. How would you like it if I said that you should pay double the gas prices I do.


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Nope, I pay 15 to 20 cents more then you do around Gulfport. On the 4-5000 gallons I go through a year that's close to $1000 more then if I lived where you do:tsk:

http://www.ohiogasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=A&area=Youngstown&dl=Y&intro=Y

http://www.mississippigasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=A&area=Gulfport&dl=Y&intro=Y

You still have not explained why Mississippi charges $300 to non-residents and what you are doing to change that.

A Husky refinery is right outside my backdoor...explain that :whistle:

Thanks for bringing the thread back on topic Osam...

continue :rolleyes:

[rhino2726]

We were down last year on the Thursday... I think the 5th. I drive a white Ext cab Silverado... I have seen your crew down there for a few years now and always enjoy talking to yall and I am the same, like to hear what everyone is seeing and shoot the Sh*t. I talked to the older gentleman that walks his small brown dog.. has something like a spanish name... cant remember. He was telling me that the same bunch of boys(y'all) from Mississippi would be up hunting his place so unless there is two groups(which there could be) it's gotta be the guy. I think y'all picked a good week this year and stop over and say hey, we will have our normal mixed bag at camp. Two boys from Alabama, my Dad, and my buddy Jay.. my name is Donnie.

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Thats us, the old man is Mr. Beasly, Me and my buddies dont hunt his property, but a couple of other guys that we ride up with does though. Man I sure hope its good this year. Last year we got caught in that miserable week of unseasonal hot weather, the first week in Nov. Still saw some good deer but they werent on the move like they should have. When it gets closer to the date get up with me and maybe we all can get together at the camp sit.

[rhino2726]

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Nope, I pay 15 to 20 cents more then you do around Gulfport. On the 4-5000 gallons I go through a year that's close to $1000 more then if I lived where you do:tsk:

http://www.ohiogasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=A&area=Youngstown&dl=Y&intro=Y

http://www.mississippigasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=A&area=Gulfport&dl=Y&intro=Y

You still have not explained why Mississippi charges $300 to non-residents and what you are doing to change that.


I see your, your on of those who believes everything you read on the internet. Have you came down hear and bought gas or diesel. I have, I do it every year and I drive a diesel, and gas and diesel is cheaper in athens boy. I havent answerd why Mississippi charges $300 dollar because I have not been asked. You see thats how it works, I get asked a Question and then I answer. Dont really know why Mississippi charges $300. I think it bulls**t if you ask me. Its $150 to hunt Ohio. You only get 2 does and One buck. Hear in Mississippi, which is only 2 to texas in Most deer in the country, Yeah look that up on the internet, You can kill up to 3 bucks in a license year and as many does as you want too on private land. Way more for your money. Now still not tring to condone the $ 300 dollar price tag but thats what you get for your money. Thats it not tring to change nothing. But you still havent answered my question in which, How would you like to pay 3 time the gas prices just because the coastal states provide alot of oil to this country. Same thing, you should pay more for my states services. :whistle:

[rhino2726]

Originally Posted by rhino2726 http://www.ohiosportsman.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.ohiosportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?p=366398#post366398)
Minerals, thats a good subject. You think what minerals come out of ohio you get a discount and evereyone else pays a higher price. Let me give you a example. the Gulf of Mexico is out my back door. I fish the oil rigs all the time right off the coast. You think I pay a cheaper gas price at the pump, :tsk: You pay less than I do, gas was always cheaper in ohio. And it comes of my coast. How would you like it if I said that you should pay double the gas prices I do.




A Husky refinery is right outside my backdoor...explain that :whistle:

Thanks for bringing the thread back on topic Osam...

continue :rolleyes:
Refineing what, Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, My oil, yeah Osam carry on,

[rhino2726]

Wrong again, I have done it!:biggrin:

Plus Michigan isn't even close to the top ten state, so we should be paying much less!!

What was Your states NR cost and standing in the amount of mature bucks entered?:biggrin:

$300.00???

There's a reason you hunt here, and it isn't just for the scenery and the anterless deer!


Wasnt saying it hasnt been done. Go back and read my post. I said most, and most NR probably dont travel even 5 hours to hunt both seasons. A week of hunting most of the time pays off with a deer which leaves no reason to return for another season. Good try though

[Deehntr56]

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Nope, I pay 15 to 20 cents more then you do around Gulfport. On the 4-5000 gallons I go through a year that's close to $1000 more then if I lived where you do:tsk:

http://www.ohiogasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=A&area=Youngstown&dl=Y&intro=Y

http://www.mississippigasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=A&area=Gulfport&dl=Y&intro=Y

You still have not explained why Mississippi charges $300 to non-residents and what you are doing to change that.

Come on osam.....that's "double" our price......If we use MS as a guide, based on the deer there and the amount of Mature Trophy Bucks entered into the books, our NR License fee should be around.......$850.00 + $125.00 a year for preference points:biggrin::biggrin:

He's going to give us "Ohio Residents" a tax credit to hunt there since the Deer are the size of Armadillo's!:whistle: :biggrin::biggrin:


By the way Rhino, don't need to read your reply, since you need to re-read mine closer..... I also 'go back" and hunt PA about half a dozen times even If I tag out on a buck like I did the last 2 years on opening day of Archery!!:biggrin:

I enjoy helping the others and bringing my son out to hunt there too. Sometimes they help me!!:biggrin:

Several of my friends also "go back" several times a year....it happens way more overall then your "one" visit to Ohio!!!!!!:tsk:

I also will spend more on NR licenses in 1 Year, then you will in 5-7 years!!

Once again your hunting Ohio for more then the Scenery and the Does we have!! Time to Bone up and pay the piper to maintain great Hunting here in OHIO!!!!

$300.00???? For Missisippi??? Man.....what was the reasoning for that outrageous price, without any good reason???

You mentioned Texas??.....another rip...$315.00 just for the license in Texas for NR.......Ohio keeps on looking like a steal every time we throw another state out on here!!

No wonder our "facts" about our NR rates are too low are right on the mark!!!

[ohiosam]

I see your, your on of those who believes everything you read on the internet. Have you came down hear and bought gas or diesel. I have, I do it every year and I drive a diesel, and gas and diesel is cheaper in athens boy.

I was in Houston this summer and gas was substantially cheaper there so it isn't just the internet where I get info. I just chose to cite a source the reflected what I've seen. BTW When I said gas that's generic because that included gas, diesel, #2 heating oil and LP. I didn't even get into fertilizer costs which are way lower (30-50% lower)at the gulf then here and NG is the major cost in the mfg of N.


I havent answerd why Mississippi charges $300 dollar because I have not been asked. You see thats how it works, I get asked a Question and then I answer. Dont really know why Mississippi charges $300. I think it bulls**t if you ask me.

I brought it up several pages ago.


Its $150 to hunt Ohio. You only get 2 does and One buck. Hear in Mississippi, which is only 2 to texas in Most deer in the country, Yeah look that up on the internet, You can kill up to 3 bucks in a license year and as many does as you want too on private land. Way more for your money. Now still not tring to condone the $ 300 dollar price tag but thats what you get for your money.

And that cost you as a resident $17(5% of NR)!! My buck and 2 does cost me as a resident $73!!(41% of NR) We residents are subsidizing you non residents. The fact that you hunt National Forest is a moot point because if you understood wildlife ownership those deer do not belong to the Feds they belong to the State. You(everyone) gets to trespass on that Fed land free of charge, if you want to pursue deer you pay the State.


Thats it not tring to change nothing. But you still havent answered my question in which, How would you like to pay 3 time the gas prices just because the coastal states provide alot of oil to this country. Same thing, you should pay more for my states services. :whistle:

Read the commerce clause of the Constitution, it applies to things like "your" oil or my grain. It doesn't apply hunting privileges.

[ohiosam]

You mentioned Texas??.....another rip...$315.00 just for the license in Texas for NR.......Ohio keeps on looking like a steal every time we throw another state out on here!!


Montana NR deer license $750!:yikes:

[Deehntr56]

Montana NR deer license $750!:yikes:

and I'm hunting there in the near future.......:whistle::biggrin:

My Moose Wyoming NR license is over $1,500.00 and I'm on my 8th Preference point right now at $75.00 each!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Add it up Rhino.....

[ohiosam]

and I'm hunting there in the near future.......:whistle::biggrin:

56 if I had your money, I'd burn mine;):D

[Deehntr56]

56 if I had your money, I'd burn mine;):D

Trust me, my two college age kids are doing that very well.....:whistle::biggrin:

My Alberta NR Deer License...$430.00 + 5% GST.......

Come on Rhino....you have to be blinder then a burrowing mole to admit we are way off here in Ohio!!!

[ohiosam]

My Alberta NR Deer License...$430.00 + 5% GST.......


Is that real dollars or Canuckistan dollars?

[Deehntr56]

Is that real dollars or Canuckistan dollars?

American Green Backs....

[rhino2726]

I was in Houston this summer and gas was substantially cheaper there so it isn't just the internet where I get info. I just chose to cite a source the reflected what I've seen. BTW When I said gas that's generic because that included gas, diesel, #2 heating oil and LP. I didn't even get into fertilizer costs which are way lower (30-50% lower)at the gulf then here and NG is the major cost in the mfg of N.



I brought it up several pages ago.



And that cost you as a resident $17(5% of NR)!! My buck and 2 does cost me as a resident $73!!(41% of NR) We residents are subsidizing you non residents. The fact that you hunt National Forest is a moot point because if you understood wildlife ownership those deer do not belong to the Feds they belong to the State. You(everyone) gets to trespass on that Fed land free of charge, if you want to pursue deer you pay the State.



Read the commerce clause of the Constitution, it applies to things like "your" oil or my grain. It doesn't apply hunting privileges.


If the deer are owned by the state it seems to me they dont have a problem with the NR fees, if they did they would have raised them. You may pay more in NR fees than me in a years time but but I promise you I Pay more income take in one year than you in 5 years, hell maybe 10. Probably dont even pay taxes, hell I probably support your A**. As long as my tax dollar are given to state parks and recreation, ill stand by my argument. Look Im tires of this typing, I should have gotten another deer head by my name. all these allocation for wanting to raise NR fees are Bulls**T. So that leaves 1 other reason for all the animosity towards NR, or me. You got a problem with me coming to your state and hunting? If so Ill be in strouse run hunting grounds for a week starting Nov. 5. :D

[ohiosam]

If the deer are owned by the state it seems to me they dont have a problem with the NR fees, if they did they would have raised them. You may pay more in NR fees than me in a years time but but I promise you I Pay more income take in one year than you in 5 years, hell maybe 10. Probably dont even pay taxes, hell I probably support your A**. As long as my tax dollar are given to state parks and recreation, ill stand by my argument. Look Im tires of this typing, I should have gotten another deer head by my name. all these allocation for wanting to raise NR fees are Bulls**T. So that leaves 1 other reason for all the animosity towards NR, or me. You got a problem with me coming to your state and hunting? If so Ill be in strouse run hunting grounds for a week starting Nov. 5. :D

If you pay as much in income tax as you claim you must be loaded. Then you must really be a cheap bastard to worry so much about an extra $100 for good quality deer hunting. :coco:

I have no problem with you coming to Ohio to hunt. I do have a problem with you thinking we owe you a cheap hunt. I hope you get a nice buck there in Strouds Run, then you can go home an find the cheapest taxidermist to mount it and then you can brag to your buddies about the great Ohio hunting and what a deal it is.:tsk:

[jackalope]

If the deer are owned by the state it seems to me they dont have a problem with the NR fees, if they did they would have raised them. You may pay more in NR fees than me in a years time but but I promise you I Pay more income take in one year than you in 5 years, hell maybe 10. Probably dont even pay taxes, hell I probably support your A**. As long as my tax dollar are given to state parks and recreation, ill stand by my argument. Look Im tires of this typing, I should have gotten another deer head by my name. all these allocation for wanting to raise NR fees are Bulls**T. So that leaves 1 other reason for all the animosity towards NR, or me. You got a problem with me coming to your state and hunting? If so Ill be in strouse run hunting grounds for a week starting Nov. 5. :D

You mean "Tax" and MS is like 38th in taxes while Oh is 4th highest.. So... uhhmmm.. No..

[hunterforlife]

Ill put it to you residents like this, I come and hunt public land that is if im not mistaken funded mostly by federal dollars, and ran by federal dollars. all of ohios public land isnt maintained by state taxes. I pay around $20,000 in federal income tax. I believe I have some money in Ohios public land. I belive Ill be hunting it for $130.

If the deer are owned by the state it seems to me they dont have a problem with the NR fees, if they did they would have raised them. You may pay more in NR fees than me in a years time but but I promise you I Pay more income take in one year than you in 5 years, hell maybe 10. Probably dont even pay taxes, hell I probably support your A**. As long as my tax dollar are given to state parks and recreation, ill stand by my argument. Look Im tires of this typing, I should have gotten another deer head by my name. all these allocation for wanting to raise NR fees are Bulls**T. So that leaves 1 other reason for all the animosity towards NR, or me. You got a problem with me coming to your state and hunting? If so Ill be in strouse run hunting grounds for a week starting Nov. 5. :D

From the highlighted text above, I now believe you are a very IGNORANT person.:cheeky-smiley-022:...

Do you think thats alot, I mean for some people maybe...But considering I know a guy personally,(Very Close):whistle::eek: who pays 7 times that amount equalling $140,000 a year in income tax...So if you do the numbers he pays 7 times the amount you do in a year...:biggrin::gaga::coolgleamA:...He is also a resident who deer hunts here in Ohio, so he has more say over the NR fees than you do, according to your "Ideas" about who decides how much who pays...By the way what do you make a year $50,000 - $60,000?;)

[hickslawns]

I don't believe Rhino is supporting those responding on this website post. From what i have seen, most of those living off the system don't care much if they even buy a license, get permission to hunt the land they hunt on, or eat the animals they kill, let along get on a website to learn and share stories/comradarie/view points on ethics etc. Quite honestly Rhino, I wish you would start supporting my "ignorant a**" so I wouldn't have to send checks to the government every month for different taxes pissing away my hard earned money and I could actually get some time off to go hunting as often as I wanted to.

[swanie]

i think if you hunt fed. land no matter where you are Oh,Ill.,Mo. you should pay one flat rate set by the the NFS not by the state. but if you hunt state land the nr. fee should be higher for nr. i do think nr should pay 125 for a buck tag. ohio do have some of the biggest deer. and if some peple dont like it then dont hunt here. not to make anyone mad but thats how i see it. i cant pay to hunt out side of my state of ohio because the cost of nr tags are too high in other states.

[Mountaineer]

Ive hunted Ohio for 2 seasons and Ive witnessed dozens of residents breaking the law. Confronted one resident about his actions and he asked where im from ..i told him and he said " Mind your own business out of stater"...Confronted another guy and he just ignored me...It seems Ohio is like a 3rd world country down in the area i hunt... Lots of Law breakers :irked:

[ohiosam]

Ive hunted Ohio for 2 seasons and Ive witnessed dozens of residents breaking the law. Confronted one resident about his actions and he asked where im from ..i told him and he said " Mind your own business out of stater"...Confronted another guy and he just ignored me...It seems Ohio is like a 3rd world country down in the area i hunt... Lots of Law breakers :irked:

Part of the problem is we need more game wardens. More money from NRs could help pay for some.;)

[Deehntr56]

Ive hunted Ohio for 2 seasons and Ive witnessed dozens of residents breaking the law. Confronted one resident about his actions and he asked where im from ..i told him and he said " Mind your own business out of stater"...Confronted another guy and he just ignored me...It seems Ohio is like a 3rd world country down in the area i hunt... Lots of Law breakers :irked:

Based on many other statements you have made, I would bet this one is exagerated also.

[Luvthebow]

If I live out of state but buy a piece of ground to hunt, which liscence do I get? Resident or non-resident?

[ohiosam]

You are still a non-resident. However on your own land you are not required to purchase an Ohio hunting license. If you leave you're property to recover a deer you need a NR license.

• Landowners, spouses and their children - Are not required to have a hunting license, fur taker permit, deer permit, antlerless deer permit, spring or fall turkey permit or Ohio Wetland Habitat Stamp when they are hunting or trapping on land they own. Members or shareholders of a corporation or L.L.C. do not qualify as landowners and must purchase all licenses and permits.
• Tenants and their children on land on which they reside and from which they derive the majority (more than 50%) of their income from agricultural production on that land - Are not required to have a hunting license, fur taker permit, deer permit, antlerless deer permit, spring or fall turkey permit or Ohio Wetland Habitat Stamp when they are Hunting or trapping on land where they reside.
• Landowners’ grandchildren who are under 18 years of age - Are not required to have a hunting license or an Ohio Wetland Habitat Stamp while hunting on their grandparent’s land. All other licenses and permits are required.

[CJR123080]

I myself am an out of stater. I've hunted Ohio since I was a college student and graduated in 2003. I'm 28 and have hunted 4 different states for whitetails and can tell you that Ohio can hold it's own with high end bucks. I will hunt 3 different states this year, OH being one of them. Hell, I killed my best buck in your state. In that respect, Ohio is a bargain, no doubt.

I personally would have no problem paying a higher license fee if those additional revenues would help preserve the land and resources available to us as hunters.

For those that believe raising NR license fees will scare off many NR's who currently visit - I don't believe that's the case. One of the states I hunt has raised it's prices consistently over the past few years. In fact, the cost of a preference point increase by 5x this year. Will I complain about it - A little bit, but I'll never stop hunting that state because it's phenominal hunting - no differently than Ohio.

OH has slightly more than 400k resident huntings and an additional 25k of non-residents annually. The latter of which increases annually. I'm from PA where slightly less than 1 million people hit the woods annually. That is one of the many reasons why OH is a much superior whitetail state. Forget resident/non-resident for a second - as whitetail hunters we need to be concerned with the health and longevity of the deer herd. For that reason, I would also support a draw system in Ohio.

- 6,000 out of staters hunt Iowa annually
- approximately 20,000 out of staters will hunt Kansas

In my opinion, OH's quality of hunting is on par with those states. There are also less resident hunters in those states. For OH to continue to remain on par with those states, I believe there will need to be parameters established relative to the number of NR's that are awarded tags each year. I also believe a draw system would be more advantageous than raising fees.

However, considering that many local OH businesses thrive off of those that visit the state, that may never happen.

[hickslawns]

I personally would have no problem paying a higher license fee if those additional revenues would help preserve the land and resources available to us as hunters.
My sentiments exactly. This is why I would not hesitate if even my instate fees increased. Would I complain? Sure. Would I still buy them? Definately. It isn't always about the price as much as what you get for your increased cost.

However, considering that many local OH businesses thrive off of those that visit the state, that may never happen.
This too is consistent with what I stated earlier. There is more dollars being brought into the state than the fees generated. However, inconsistent with your first quote, the other revenue generated does NOT go into preserving the land and resources. While it is good for the local business, it doesn't help with the deer.

[Deehntr56]

I myself am an out of stater. I've hunted Ohio since I was a college student and graduated in 2003. I'm 28 and have hunted 4 different states for whitetails and can tell you that Ohio can hold it's own with high end bucks. I will hunt 3 different states this year, OH being one of them. Hell, I killed my best buck in your state. In that respect, Ohio is a bargain, no doubt.

I personally would have no problem paying a higher license fee if those additional revenues would help preserve the land and resources available to us as hunters.

For those that believe raising NR license fees will scare off many NR's who currently visit - I don't believe that's the case. One of the states I hunt has raised it's prices consistently over the past few years. In fact, the cost of a preference point increase by 5x this year. Will I complain about it - A little bit, but I'll never stop hunting that state because it's phenominal hunting - no differently than Ohio.

OH has slightly more than 400k resident huntings and an additional 25k of non-residents annually. The latter of which increases annually. I'm from PA where slightly less than 1 million people hit the woods annually. That is one of the many reasons why OH is a much superior whitetail state. Forget resident/non-resident for a second - as whitetail hunters we need to be concerned with the health and longevity of the deer herd. For that reason, I would also support a draw system in Ohio.

- 6,000 out of staters hunt Iowa annually
- approximately 20,000 out of staters will hunt Kansas

In my opinion, OH's quality of hunting is on par with those states. There are also less resident hunters in those states. For OH to continue to remain on par with those states, I believe there will need to be parameters established relative to the number of NR's that are awarded tags each year. I also believe a draw system would be more advantageous than raising fees.

However, considering that many local OH businesses thrive off of those that visit the state, that may never happen.

Agree on all points except I don't see the draw happening. I like the Draw, but unless the deer herd is dramtically reduced, I don't think it will be considered, but you never know. I just believe the "either or Deer Tag" needs to be increased to accomodate having suffiicient funds in the future to continue this great hunting we have.

The Ohio NR License fee at $125.00 can slighly be increased, but the Tags definietly need to be addressed, especially the Buck Tag, and were talking substantially, so it is competitive with the other states that are similar to Ohio in the top 5-10 states.

Ths state you mention that increased their preference point 5x...Is Iowa, this past June.:biggrin: THEY WENT FROM $10.00 TO $50.50 just for the preference point.

[Zeke]

OK, I couldn't wade thru 10 pgs. of this, but I'm going to throw in my 2 cents anyhow. I used to split my year between the states of OH and PA and could only afford to hunt one, because I could not justify paying either NR fee. I chose to remain a PA resident to hunt with my family members. Now I have become a full time OH resident, and dearly miss the annual hunts with my family in PA. There are alot more reasons to buy NR licenses than just those who can afford to traipse across country wherever the biggest trophys are. Hunting is not supposed to be a business venture, it's supposed to be a uniquely american privelege open to the common man, not the rich and royalty. I find it deeply disturbing that the trophy craziness has changed the face of hunting today, and spawned such things as high-priced leases, trophy fees, canned hunts, etc...I don't know what the answer is, but charging more money to make hunting more restrictive is definitely not it. The rich and the antler-obsessed will continue to come and pay regardless of price, while more common family recreationers will get shut out. :nono: