Hunters and Crossbows

[Peppy]

Thought I'd ask this here.....

Recently in PA the crossbow has been added to the 6 week archery season. They've been legal for awhile now in the Special Regulation Areas of the State, but now they are going statewide.

I know the crossbow has been legal to use in Ohio for decades now during the archery season.

My question is; It seems to have seriously divided hunters. The passion one holds on the issue, on both sides, is very strong. Has Ohio dealt with this type of thing in the past or currently? And what are your thoughts concerning the crossbow as it continues to be legalized throughout the United States in the coming years. And will the hunters of PA ever get used to the crossbow in your opinion.

[redcloud102]

We have many threads on this site already about x-bow vs. compound bow. I have yet to chime in on one of them but since the issue is back again I thought I would :D.

I have hunted for many years and in those years I have always known there was a dividing line between cross bows and compound bows. I joined this web sight and have been shown there is actually 3 dividing lines with bow hunters and they are this : Traditional bows vs. Compound bow vs. Cross bows. Take any very passionate person from one of those divisions and put them up against another division and you will have an argument in a matter of minutes. Like I said I have yet to chime in on this debate but I will give you my opinion on the cross bow.

IMO the Cross Bow should only be used by young youth hunters, apprentice hunting permit holders just because it will give them more time/experience in the field, Elderly hunters that can't pull back the DNR regulated poundage, and handicapped persons. Any able bodied person that can shoot a trad or compound bow at legal poundage that uses a cross bow is lazy IMO. I have shot Trad Bows but mainly compound bows for years and have no use for a cross bow right now. As long as there are 3 types of bows and hunters using them your always going to see people fighting for their piece of the pie end of story.

I will end with this.. If you can slap a scope on it and use a bi/tri-pod or a shooting stick with it then it's a gun IMO.

[riverdude]

:DWe have many threads on this site already about x-bow vs. compound bow. I have yet to chime in on one of them but since the issue is back again I thought I would :D.

I have hunted for many years and in those years I have always known there was a dividing line between cross bows and compound bows. I joined this web sight and have been shown there is actually 3 dividing lines with bow hunters and they are this : Traditional bows vs. Compound bow vs. Cross bows. Take any very passionate person from one of those divisions and put them up against another division and you will have an argument in a matter of minutes. Like I said I have yet to chime in on this debate but I will give you my opinion on the cross bow.

IMO the Cross Bow should only be used by young youth hunters, apprentice hunting permit holders just because it will give them more time/experience in the field, Elderly hunters that can't pull back the DNR regulated poundage, and handicapped persons. Any able bodied person that can shoot a trad or compound bow at legal poundage that uses a cross bow is lazy IMO. I have shot Trad Bows but mainly compound bows for years and have no use for a cross bow right now. As long as there are 3 types of bows and hunters using them your always going to see people fighting for their piece of the pie end of story.

I will end with this.. If you can slap a scope on it and use a bi/tri-pod or a shooting stick with it then it's a gun IMO.

:yeahthat:
Well said Redcloud, you have learned well grasshopper. :D

[dannmann801]

Peppy,

Here's a link to a thread referencing a good magazine article
http://www.ohiosportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28424

I asked this same type question a few months back and got some excellent responses - here's a link to the thread
http://www.ohiosportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26033

The best quote was from NovemberSunrise, who said:
"There certainly are some hunters who look down at crossbow users, just like some traditionalists look down their noses at compound bow users. Just the way it is.
My experience with the "real bow" yahoos is that a very high percentage of them shoot compound bows. A compound bow shooter pontificating about real bows has about as much credibility as a prostitute lecturing others on the benefits of chastity."

Redcloud and Riverdude are my buddies, and tease me about my Horton all the time.
All I can say is..."dudes...you a Ho!" :D

[jackalope]

The learning curve, skills required, and natural talent required, goes like this from top to bottom.

1. Trad Bows
2. Compound bows
3. Crossbows

Crap rolls down hill..

That's why the crossbow gets bashed more than others..

[Deehntr56]

Peppy,

Here's a link to a thread referencing a good magazine article
http://www.ohiosportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28424

I asked this same type question a few months back and got some excellent responses - here's a link to the thread
http://www.ohiosportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26033

The best quote was from NovemberSunrise, who said:
"There certainly are some hunters who look down at crossbow users, just like some traditionalists look down their noses at compound bow users. Just the way it is.
My experience with the "real bow" yahoos is that a very high percentage of them shoot compound bows. A compound bow shooter pontificating about real bows has about as much credibility as a prostitute lecturing others on the benefits of chastity."

Redcloud and Riverdude are my buddies, and tease me about my Horton all the time.
All I can say is..."dudes...you a Ho!" :D

You know, that sums it up.:biggrin::biggrin:

It doesn't matter to me what people use and do as long as it's legal and if they get enjoy the sport, so be it.

"Some" have this mentality that their better by using something else, or it's easier using some other form, but like anything else in life, some things are more difficult that others and some are easier. It is.... what it is, and B#@$%#@ about it only seperates hunters as a whole.

["J"]

AMEN 56. Now this man gets it.

[OCLJ]

I will end with this.. If you can slap a scope on it and use a bi/tri-pod or a shooting stick with it then it's a gun IMO.

Which is why I will be hunting with a crossbow. I am a long time long gun shooter, and have no desire to learn to shoot a compound bow.

[antiqucycle]

There is quite a bit of difference in thinking between long time Pa Hunters and the average Ohio Hunter. Pennsylvania mountains was the place to go for ww2 vets with cabins and hi power rifles. Of they went, got drunk on the weekend and maybe sobered up by opening day. then hoped to see a spike buck. so a lot of tradition was set in place by these now old geezers.These plaid woolrich guys were toting mausers and winchester 30/30's so they did not accept radical changes like *** forbid a legal crossbow in bow season. These old guys still influence some of the really goofy deer regulations in Pa. like illegal scents, not allowed to pickup a shed.
I hunted with various compounds until I could afford a quality crossbow. I always shot in the Ravenna Arsenal archery shoots. but at some point your shoulders give out and you just cant practice enough.
BUT, I dont want hear about crossbows not being sporting when guys are investing $1500 in super modern compounds with 80% let off, teensy tiny arrows with 80 grain folding blade broadheads. The accuracy is unbeliveable compared to a 1980 compound or even the ancient bear whitetail hunter that tons of people bought.
I do believe an ultra modern compound can be shot more accurately at 60 yards and over.

[jackalope]

There is quite a bit of difference in thinking between long time Pa Hunters and the average Ohio Hunter. Pennsylvania mountains was the place to go for ww2 vets with cabins and hi power rifles. Of they went, got drunk on the weekend and maybe sobered up by opening day. then hoped to see a spike buck. so a lot of tradition was set in place by these now old geezers.These plaid woolrich guys were toting mausers and winchester 30/30's so they did not accept radical changes like *** forbid a legal crossbow in bow season. These old guys still influence some of the really goofy deer regulations in Pa. like illegal scents, not allowed to pickup a shed.
I hunted with various compounds until I could afford a quality crossbow. I always shot in the Ravenna Arsenal archery shoots. but at some point your shoulders give out and you just cant practice enough.
BUT, I dont want hear about crossbows not being sporting when guys are investing $1500 in super modern compounds with 80% let off, teensy tiny arrows with 80 grain folding blade broadheads. The accuracy is unbeliveable compared to a 1980 compound or even the ancient bear whitetail hunter that tons of people bought.
I do believe an ultra modern compound can be shot more accurately at 60 yards and over.

Show me a modern compound with a 4 power scope that can be rested on shooting sticks with a drawlock, then I might believe the compound has a chance at that title.. sorry I just can't believe it..

[jackalope]

Guys you're missing the point of why traddies don't like compounds or compound guys don't like crossbows.. It's the mentality of the people who chose that weapon. Not how the weapon operates.... All 3 offer the capabilities of different hunting styles. 1 easier than the other.. all different than the other.. but in some areas the same..

It's the type of hunter who is likely to chose the weapon, not the weapon of choice that most have a problem with..

[Hill Hunter]

My thoughts, I have killed deer Traditional, primitive and with a compound, not with a cross bow but only because I don't like the way they carry, I have seen severl bow hunters switch to them and always with the same result, if they were killers with a bow then they were killers with a cross bow and if the could not kill with a bow they could not kill with a cross bow. I could take my Matthews and standing free hand out shoot any of the cross bow hunters I have encountered. Just because I have opted for traditional equipment I don't think that means you have to, if you can go out and enjoy the wonders of the hunt with a cross bow then have at it. if you prefer a compound, have fun and if as I read in an earler thread, you want to bonk him in the head with a shovel (check the game laws on that one) go for it.
My two cents, spend it or toss it.:whistle:

[November Sunrise]

Any able bodied person that can shoot a trad or compound bow at legal poundage that uses a cross bow is lazy IMO.

That's an interesting perspective. I tend to classify the groups more by intellect. My experience is that the individuals who classify a compound bow as being a "superior" moral choice, a "real bow" as it were, are, as best as I can tell, the same ones who were in the slow group in the 1st grade, who were challenged to separate the peanut from the plain M&M's in the 4th grade olympiad, and who in high school considered themselves to be God's gift to women but were genuinely surprised when they won the "most likely to have body odor" award from their peers. As adults they had difficulty understanding Carly Simon when she sang that "you probably think this song is about you".

Of course, this is all, as you say, "IMO";)

[Thunderflight]

BUT, I dont want hear about crossbows not being sporting when guys are investing $1500 in super modern compounds with 80% let off, teensy tiny arrows with 80 grain folding blade broadheads. The accuracy is unbeliveable compared to a 1980 compound or even the ancient bear whitetail hunter that tons of people bought.
I do believe an ultra modern compound can be shot more accurately at 60 yards and over.

I couldn't agree more.

Show me a modern compound with a 4 power scope that can be rested on shooting sticks with a drawlock, then I might believe the compound has a chance at that title.. sorry I just can't believe it..

Here ya go Jack.

http://bowdrawlock.com/Lock-a-Draw/Lock-a-Draw.html

Put one of these on it and your GTG. I know you said 4 power scope but all my friends that shoot string guns just use red dot scopes.

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Check it out. Zeiss makes a bow scope mount.

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Sono spiacente!

I forgot Knight and Hales steady ready!

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[tuffshot]

Look at it like this, the DNR has an expectation of how many deer that should be harvested in a year. Without the crossbow the quota would in all probability would never be met.

Of course in certain sections of the state the coyote is reducing the deer herd numbers at an alarming rate. PA has not seen this impact as of yet.

[Thunderflight]

Look at it like this, the DNR has an expectation of how many deer that should be harvested in a year. Without the crossbow the quota would in all probability would never be met.

With out the crossbow Ohio would probably have longer gun seasons and higher archery limits.

[geezer II]

With out the crossbow Ohio would probably have longer gun seasons and higher archery limits.

:gaga::gaga::gaga::gaga::gaga::gaga:

[tuffshot]

With out the crossbow Ohio would probably have longer gun seasons and higher archery limits.


They have already tried that too.:whistle:

Ya got a point though.

[Schu72]

With out the crossbow Ohio would probably have longer gun seasons and higher archery limits.


.......and a lot fewer deer hunter, which would mean higher fees!:tsk:

[jackalope]

I couldn't agree more.



Here ya go Jack.

http://bowdrawlock.com/Lock-a-Draw/Lock-a-Draw.html

Put one of these on it and your GTG. I know you said 4 power scope but all my friends that shoot string guns just use red dot scopes.

http://www.kandkonlinestore.com/images/WB1000full.jpg http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:uHTxXH9MAlY1MM:http://www.muelleroptics.com/img/products/MQS12233/Mounted.jpg

Check it out. Zeiss makes a bow scope mount.

http://images.netshops.com/mgen/master:ZEIS070.jpg

Sono spiacente!

I forgot Knight and Hales steady ready!

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_417072_imageset_01?$main-Large$


LOL :yikes::D

Yeah TF I see every compound sold equipped with that stuff standard.. Heck I was in Wal-Mart yesterday and they had a compound in the box that even came with all that.. It was the Wal-mart special "just add deer" compou, errr, crossbow..

[Peppy]

In PA we are just getting used to the idea of crossbows in archery season and in Ohio, where it's been legal for decades and hunters have shared the woods, it's still looks as though you guys are sounding much like PA hunters.

I was hoping to hear that we'd eventually get over all the bickering stuff, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon.

I have more of a problem with the way the process was handled moreso then the actual weapon itself. The powers that be really messed up in a big way and are still messing things up as we speak.

Lots of backroom handshakes, deals, threats, etc., and it's not over yet.

They legalized the crossbow for the entire 6 weeks of archery season, even printed it in our hunters digest, but now are attempting to roll back crossbows to just the first 2 weeks of archery.

Also, they are attempting to have Legislative interference on the matter by submitting House Bill #965, which would change the definition of 'bow' to include 'crossbow, thus making the crossbow as archery equipment and therefore would be legal all seasons that a bow is legal.

There is a three year Sunset Clause in place now to protect archery hunters from an unwanted overharvest, if their is one, but if this HB passes, then if they have to shorten the season ALL archery hunters could see a shorter season.

I told you it was a mess!! lol :rolleyes:

[deerhunt45]

Sorry the thread got a little off topic and thanks for bringing it back. Will the bickering will ever end on the debate ?...idk It's still a hot button topic here in Ohio and like you said we've had full inclusion for years.

What's going on in PA (and MI) on the crossbow issue is confusing to say the least...

[Peppy]

Not only is it confusing, but their is lots of dishonest things going on.

I'm am somewhat surprised however, that Ohioans are still battling issue's concerning the crossbow. Everyone in PA points to Ohio as the place that has had inclusion for so long and everyone is just so happy about it all.

[antiqucycle]

Thats Pennsylvania for you. Billions and Billions of laws but they only enforce them when they want to pick on you. I will bet doctors over there are sick of writing permission slips for so called handicapped hunters who needed a crossbow for bow season in Pa. Just like the horrendous abuse of Handicapped Parking tags in Ohio. You know, the ones on Lincolns, beemers, mercedes driven by perfectly healthy looking individuals and 400 to 500lb people who are not fit to drive a car.

[Peppy]

Their are currently 60,000+ disabled crossbow permits being used by hunters in PA.

[brock ratcliff]

The woods are not nearly as crowded during shotgun season as they once were. I think that is partly because so many hunt in archery season here now. Most everyone that likes to hunt "bowhunts" now. Squirrels have never had it so good. The chance to hunt unpressured deer is a thing of the past. We have over 300000 archery hunters in OH now....that translates to about two hunters for every tree suitable for a stand.

I don't think crossbows are inheritly bad. But, I do wish we had a bowhunting organization strong enough to lobby for mandatory bowhunter ed so that those with little to no experience would have some good info on properly killing with an arrow.....regardless of what it is shot from. As it is, we just seem to argue over equipment choice instead of the big picture. Hopefully, PA will not follow Ohio's example in that regard.

[jackalope]

Below you will find the mentality of 3 bowhunters... They each have a different personality and somewhat different goals.. They may overlap in some areas but are for the most part ideologically separate.. After reading about these individuals, please choose what you believe would be that persons "weapon of choice" based on their personality traits... They are in no way a "description" of all bowhunters in that weapon choice.. But 3 separate mentalities of single individuals. They are not meant to stereotype an individual weapon choice but rather to match the likely weapon with the personality of that hunter.


Hunter A..
Hunter prescribes to a challenge. He takes pride in his abilities. And constantly strives to be better at it even if he sucks.. He hones his skills of concealment, stalking, and woodsmanship. Immensely enjoys his time afield.. To him it isn’t about if he kills a deer, it’s about how he kills the deer. He has set a goal for himself to do something fulfilling in his hobby.. And strives for the sweet feeling of success.

Hunter B.
Also prescribes to a challenge, although not in the same way as hunter A.. His challenge comes from his knowledge and abilities as a bowhunter.. Always striving to learn more about his prey. He strives to the challenge of finding quality deer, Getting within 45 yards and killing them with a well placed shot.. He meticulously practices scent control, scouting, stand placement, the art of concealment, and stealth. He strives to understand the relation of bedding areas, feeding areas, and the funnels that connect them.. Some of them strive for big bucks, others for the time afield and the satisfaction of success.. He considers his hobby an art and a science.. And is always striving to figure out the unknown variables..

Hunter C
Well.. He doesn’t care so much about woodsmanship, scouting, concealment and stalking abilities.. He just wants to hunt and kill something today.. Hunter C prescribes to the philosophy that if he can make hunting easier, he doesn’t have to spend time sharpening his skills. This hunter feels that if he can eliminate skill he doesn’t have to spend time on practicing.. After all he just wants to make it easier to kill deer. Practicing scent control is just another thing that wastes time, stand placement is a moot point. I can just walk around and sit where I like.. Hunter C likes to take the quickest easiest way to achieving the end result of all bowhunters including A and B.. And he wants to do it the easiest way possible..

[geezer II]

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[CritterGitter]

A lot of stereotypes here in this thread which does not surprise me at all.

Peppy, you are inquiring about the hunter attitudes about crossbows in the archery season. I think it is fair to say that most Ohio hunters have become used to it and have accepted it. Now, you can go to Bowsite and find plenty of "archers" who still disagree with it and hate it. However, I think the general consensus of the majority is that crossbows are legal for archery season here and that's fine. Though, it did take us about 15 to 16 years to get to this point. Many young folks started out shooting a crossbow and now have kids shooting a crossbow so we have begun to evolve despite those diehards that hold true to their beliefs.

I started with a crossbow. Then, I bought a cheap compound, and now I shoot a high end bow. However, I don't expect everyone else to do that. I think, in time, you will see the attitudes change a little. It's a process that takes time.

[TheCream]

A lot of stereotypes here in this thread which does not surprise me at all.

Peppy, you are inquiring about the hunter attitudes about crossbows in the archery season. I think it is fair to say that most Ohio hunters have become used to it and have accepted it. Now, you can go to Bowsite and find plenty of "archers" who still disagree with it and hate it. However, I think the general consensus of the majority is that crossbows are legal for archery season here and that's fine. Though, it did take us about 15 to 16 years to get to this point. Many young folks started out shooting a crossbow and now have kids shooting a crossbow so we have begun to evolve despite those diehards that hold true to their beliefs.

I started with a crossbow. Then, I bought a cheap compound, and now I shoot a high end bow. However, I don't expect everyone else to do that. I think, in time, you will see the attitudes change a little. It's a process that takes time.

Kyle, I took the same path.

As for what I think about crossbows, I have absolutely nothing against them. The last thing on my mind when I am sitting in my treestand that first week of November is "Gee, I hope neighbor Bob isn't hunting with a crossbow." I admit, there are things I do have a problem with that have no bearing whatsoever on my hunting, like high-fence hunting, but crossbow hunting is not one of them.

[jackalope]

Kyle, I took the same path.

As for what I think about crossbows, I have absolutely nothing against them. The last thing on my mind when I am sitting in my treestand that first week of November is "Gee, I hope neighbor bluejeans Bob isn't trudging all over the place with a lawnchair hunting with a crossbow." I admit, there are things I do have a problem with that have no bearing whatsoever on my hunting, like high-fence hunting, but crossbow hunting is not one of them.

Fixed it for you to better reflect my experiences.

[CritterGitter]

Fixed it for you to better reflect my experiences.

Sounds to me you are more against "slob" hunters than crossbows. Now, I know...........I know...........you will say..............but they are "always" hunting with crossbows.

I am telling you right now................if tomorrow the ODNR took crossbows out of the archery season............Bluejeans Bob would buy a cheap used compound at a flea market and do the exact same thing he does now with a crossbow.............although he would likely be a little less proficient and more apt to wound game. So........which way is better then? Hmmmmm?

[jackalope]

Sounds to me you are more against "slob" hunters than crossbows. Now, I know...........I know...........you will say..............but they are "always" hunting with crossbows.

I am telling you right now................if tomorrow the ODNR took crossbows out of the archery season............Bluejeans Bob would buy a cheap used compound at a flea market and do the exact same thing he does now with a crossbow.............although he would likely be a little less proficient and more apt to wound game. So........which way is better then? Hmmmmm?


If that were true then it goes against the entire reasoning for legalizing crossbows.. You are saying if crossbows were made illegal then the slobs would get compounds. So let me ask you then, where were these slobs before the crossbow was legal??? Following your logic they all shot compounds.. I don't Buy it! Isn't the purpose of legalizing crossbows to attract a giant group of "NEW" people?? To finally get that giant demographic of "I want to hunt but I'm too lazy" group.... And get lazy blue jean bob off his ass to go buy a crossbow and shoot deer.... Bottom line is the DNR wants deer killed and generally gives a damn who does it.. And they are going to make it easier for any slob to do it.......

And I guarantee you most of the slobs wouldn't go pick up a compound or a trad bow if the crossbow left.. That goes against his entire slob mentality.. Nope, he just wouldn't hunt until gun season, when the real slobs come out of the woodwork in mass.....

Granted there are slobs in all bowhunting groups... It just so happens a very large percentage of slobs (far past majority) choose to hunt with a crossbow.. If there is any solace, there is another demographic group containing more slobs.. The "I Only hunt gun season group" seams to have more slob members than the crossbow group..

And to be fair, the Compound group probably has a far greater percentage of slobs than the trad group...

It's just how the cookie crumbles...

Now I'm not talking about your cousins uncle bob's niece who is 12 and needs a crossbow.. Or My grandpa needs a crossbow.. I'm not talking to the "hey jackaslop I hunt with a crossbow guy" We can assume that if your reading this on a hunting forum you are not a "slob" no matter your weapon of choice...... Slobs don't really bother with reading hunting forums about their quarry.. It again goes against their "do as little as possible and still achieve the end result" mentality.
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And If I'm so wrong.. Then answer my personality question above... It's easy really.. It's only 3 people... No group stereotype.. just 3 individuals mentality.. Just tell me what archery weapon hunter A, B, And C are likely to choose to hunt with..

[November Sunrise]

Below you will find the mentality of 3 bowhunters... They each have a different personality and somewhat different goals.. They may overlap in some areas but are for the most part ideologically separate.. After reading about these individuals, please choose what you believe would be that persons "weapon of choice" based on their personality traits... They are in no way a "description" of all bowhunters in that weapon choice.. But 3 separate mentalities of single individuals. They are not meant to stereotype an individual weapon choice but rather to match the likely weapon with the personality of that hunter.


Hunter A..
Hunter prescribes to a challenge. He takes pride in his abilities. And constantly strives to be better at it even if he sucks.. He hones his skills of concealment, stalking, and woodsmanship. Immensely enjoys his time afield.. To him it isn’t about if he kills a deer, it’s about how he kills the deer. He has set a goal for himself to do something fulfilling in his hobby.. And strives for the sweet feeling of success.

Hunter B.
Also prescribes to a challenge, although not in the same way as hunter A.. His challenge comes from his knowledge and abilities as a bowhunter.. Always striving to learn more about his prey. He strives to the challenge of finding quality deer, Getting within 45 yards and killing them with a well placed shot.. He meticulously practices scent control, scouting, stand placement, the art of concealment, and stealth. He strives to understand the relation of bedding areas, feeding areas, and the funnels that connect them.. Some of them strive for big bucks, others for the time afield and the satisfaction of success.. He considers his hobby an art and a science.. And is always striving to figure out the unknown variables..

Hunter C
Well.. He doesn’t care so much about woodsmanship, scouting, concealment and stalking abilities.. He just wants to hunt and kill something today.. Hunter C prescribes to the philosophy that if he can make hunting easier, he doesn’t have to spend time sharpening his skills. This hunter feels that if he can eliminate skill he doesn’t have to spend time on practicing.. After all he just wants to make it easier to kill deer. Practicing scent control is just another thing that wastes time, stand placement is a moot point. I can just walk around and sit where I like.. Hunter C likes to take the quickest easiest way to achieving the end result of all bowhunters including A and B.. And he wants to do it the easiest way possible..

LOL. Proof that arrogance diminishes wisdom. Get over yourself.

[OCLJ]

Let's put it this way. I am more worried about Bob the Slob trespassing and hunting on my land with a 12 gauge shotgun and 3 slugs much more than Bob the Slob trespassing and hunting on my land with a crossbow. Even worse yet would be Bob the Slob waiting until Muzzleloader season.

You're going to have people out there who only care to just kill something, no matter what weapons you allow them to use. If you took away crossbows, it was said they will just go to compound, but what about the slobs that go to shotgun and start shooting up people's property? I'd rather have an arrow stuck in a fence board rather than a slug passing through it and killing my horses.

[killa gorilla]

Now I'm not talking about your cousins uncle bob's niece who is 12 and needs a crossbow.. Or My grandpa needs a crossbow.. I'm not talking to the "hey jackaslop I hunt with a crossbow guy" We can assume that if your reading this on a hunting forum you are not a "slob" no matter your weapon of choice...... Slobs don't really bother with reading hunting forums about their quarry.. It again goes against their "do as little as possible and still achieve the end result" mentality.
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And If I'm so wrong.. Then answer my personality question above... It's easy really.. It's only 3 people... No group stereotype.. just 3 individuals mentality.. Just tell me what archery weapon hunter A, B, And C are likely to choose to hunt with..
I was gonna say!I use a crossbow and am by no means a slob hunter.As far as your A B and C guys,either one could be shooting either weapon.You cant judge a hunters personality or ethics on what they shoot.Are you one of those guys who thinks hes better than everyone else:D?

[bowhunter1023]

I used to be anti-crossbow. Used to be. Here is how I see it now...

Slob hunters can hunt with any weapon they choose. Crossbows just happen to be the weapon that makes it the easiest, which is what a slob hunt is after, ease of use. That does not make the weapon itself the devil. I think we all support the 2nd Amendment here. Guns kill people and they make it pretty damned easy, which makes it the preferred weapon of choice for most killers. But as a collective group of pro-gunners we don't condemn guns do we? We certainly don't because we understand that the gun is not to blame. Well, the crossbow is not to be blamed for Bluejean Bob and his lawn chair launching 80 yard shots in your direction...

No matter how I feel about crossbow, one thing remains steady and that is the fact that they are a legal weapon of choice during our archery season. I have my issues with them, but I have since decided that I want to live by this mantra and I would LOVE for the rest of the sportsmen in this state to live by the same: "I'll worry about me and you worry about you." I have no control over this issue, so why should I run someone down for their choice of weapon? Sure, things would be different if I made the rules. But I don't, so I let it be what it will be. Its a crying shame more people can't learn to think like that...

[killbuckcreekgiants]

No matter how I feel about crossbow, one thing remains steady and that is the fact that they are a legal weapon of choice during our archery season. I have my issues with them, but I have since decided that I want to live by this mantra and I would LOVE for the rest of the sportsmen in this state to live by the same: "I'll worry about me and you worry about you." I have no control over this issue, so why should I run someone down for their choice of weapon? Sure, things would be different if I made the rules. But I don't, so I let it be what it will be. Its a crying shame more people can't learn to think like that...

Very well said! Im not sure why so many ppl care what other hunters are using as long as its legal.

[TheCream]

If that were true then it goes against the entire reasoning for legalizing crossbows.. You are saying if crossbows were made illegal then the slobs would get compounds. So let me ask you then, where were these slobs before the crossbow was legal??? Following your logic they all shot compounds.. I don't Buy it! Isn't the purpose of legalizing crossbows to attract a giant group of "NEW" people?? To finally get that giant demographic of "I want to hunt but I'm too lazy" group.... And get lazy blue jean bob off his ass to go buy a crossbow and shoot deer.... Bottom line is the DNR wants deer killed and generally gives a damn who does it.. And they are going to make it easier for any slob to do it.......

And I guarantee you most of the slobs wouldn't go pick up a compound or a trad bow if the crossbow left.. That goes against his entire slob mentality.. Nope, he just wouldn't hunt until gun season, when the real slobs come out of the woodwork in mass.....

Granted there are slobs in all bowhunting groups... It just so happens a very large percentage of slobs (far past majority) choose to hunt with a crossbow.. If there is any solace, there is another demographic group containing more slobs.. The "I Only hunt gun season group" seams to have more slob members than the crossbow group..

And to be fair, the Compound group probably has a far greater percentage of slobs than the trad group...

It's just how the cookie crumbles...

Now I'm not talking about your cousins uncle bob's niece who is 12 and needs a crossbow.. Or My grandpa needs a crossbow.. I'm not talking to the "hey jackaslop I hunt with a crossbow guy" We can assume that if your reading this on a hunting forum you are not a "slob" no matter your weapon of choice...... Slobs don't really bother with reading hunting forums about their quarry.. It again goes against their "do as little as possible and still achieve the end result" mentality.
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And If I'm so wrong.. Then answer my personality question above... It's easy really.. It's only 3 people... No group stereotype.. just 3 individuals mentality.. Just tell me what archery weapon hunter A, B, And C are likely to choose to hunt with..

I define a "slob hunter" as a hunter who uses archery prowess as a crutch for an inability to get inside 30 yards from a deer he/she would like to shoot.





I'm KIDDING, Jack, so don't flip out!!! :biggrin::bouncy::biggrin:

[Schu72]

Peppy,
I may be naive, but I think the riff between crossbow hunters and longbow hunters in Ohio is overblown. Now, here on this site you have a large group of hunters who are very passionate about their sport, but to the average hunter...I really don't think they care about what kind of bow you use as long as you obey the law.

I grew up in rural southern Ohio where school would be closed during the first two days of gun season. So as you can imagine deer hunting was a huge ordeal. When I was 14 I got my first long bow, a Darton SL-50, a shot this until I went off to college and about the same time outgrew the drawlenght of the bow. Then I switched to a crossbow, mainly because I couldn't practice while I was away at college. I was never ridiculed by anyone in our local hunting community for using the crossbow. There you were judged by your ability to identify good stand locations, your willingness to sit for long hours in brutal weather, your proficiency with your weapon, and by maintaining good relationships with the landowners. No one was judged by their choice of equipment.

Who knows......Maybe that was just a different time and place.

[Thunderflight]

I read an article that most crossbow shooters perfer puffy cheetos.

The artical also went on to say that most compounders prefer crunch and that traditoinalist tend to prefer jalepeno flavored cheetos.

[geezer II]

:gaga::chicken::gaga::chicken::gaga::chicken::gaga ::chicken::gaga::chicken::gaga:

[jackalope]

LOL. Proof that arrogance diminishes wisdom. Get over yourself.

First off It's not about me.. Don't dodge the question because it's painful to admit... It's a simple question really.. Based on the personality profile match what you believe that hunter would choose as their archery weapon of choice...

I was gonna say!I use a crossbow and am by no means a slob hunter.As far as your A B and C guys,either one could be shooting either weapon.You cant judge a hunters personality or ethics on what they shoot.Are you one of those guys who thinks hes better than everyone else:D?

I didn't say you were a slob for using a crossbow.. As a matter of fact I said if you are reading this on a hunting forum you probably aren't a slob no matter the weapon of choice..

Nor did i ask people to judge a groups personality or ethics on what they shoot...

I said match the personality to what you think that individuals weapon choice would be..






By everyone refusing to answer the question i can only assume the answer is painfully obvious.

[jackalope]

I define a "slob hunter" as a hunter who uses archery prowess as a crutch for an inability to get inside 30 yards from a deer he/she would like to shoot.





I'm KIDDING, Jack, so don't flip out!!! :biggrin::bouncy::biggrin:

Ohh I'm not flipping... :D

I just wish people would answer the question...

It's very simple really..



Match. Crossbow, Trad, Compound......to........A, B, or C


Maybe a poll would be better????????

[TheCream]

Ohh I'm not flipping... :D

I just wish people would answer the question...

It's very simple really..



Match. Crossbow, Trad, Compound......to........A, B, or C


Maybe a poll would be better????????

Just don't include Cheetos as an option...you know nothing can beat Cheetos in a poll. :bouncy:

[OCLJ]

First off It's not about me.. Don't dodge the question because it's painful to admit... It's a simple question really.. Based on the personality profile match what you believe that hunter would choose as their archery weapon of choice...



I didn't say you were a slob for using a crossbow.. As a matter of fact I said if you are reading this on a hunting forum you probably aren't a slob no matter the weapon of choice..

Nor did i ask people to judge a groups personality or ethics on what they shoot...

I said match the personality to what you think that individuals weapon choice would be..






By everyone refusing to answer the question i can only assume the answer is painfully obvious.

I'm not trying to be a jerk in my first few days on this website, but posting a completely subjective question, then calling people out for not answering it, does nothing.

[November Sunrise]

First off It's not about me.. Don't dodge the question because it's painful to admit... It's a simple question really.. Based on the personality profile match what you believe that hunter would choose as their archery weapon of choice...


Your entire premise that there's a correlation between archery weapon and personality profiles is silly.

You'd be well served to educate yourself on who the crossbow hunters in Ohio actually are. The Ohio Division of Fish & Wildlife can provide you with the age splits of harvest by weapon choice. What you'll see is that at age 10 the Ohio archery harvest is 95% from crossbows, but by age 21 it's over 60% longbows. The archery harvest remains at over 50% longbows until age 40, at which point it begins to shift by a percentage point or two every several years towards a higher percentage crossbow harvest. By age 55 the archery harvest is 63% from crossbows, and the percentages continue to get higher from there.

The primary factor in crossbow usage is age. The shift towards a strong preference for longbows for hunters in their twenties and early thirties is easily understandable, and the shift back towards a crossbow preference for hunters beginning in their early forties is also easily understandable, and it doesn't have anything to do with your silly personality profile premise.

[jackalope]

Your entire premise that there's a correlation between archery weapon and personality profiles is silly.

You'd be well served to educate yourself on who the crossbow hunters in Ohio actually are. The Ohio Division of Fish & Wildlife can provide you with the age splits of harvest by weapon choice. What you'll see is that at age 10 the Ohio archery harvest is 95% from crossbows, but by age 21 it's over 60% longbows. The archery harvest remains at over 50% longbows until age 40, at which point it begins to shift by a percentage point or two every several years towards a higher percentage crossbow harvest. By age 55 the archery harvest is 63% from crossbows, and the percentages continue to get higher from there.

The primary factor in crossbow usage is age. The shift towards a strong preference for longbows for hunters in their twenties and early thirties is easily understandable, and the shift back towards a crossbow preference for hunters beginning in their early forties is also easily understandable, and it doesn't have anything to do with your silly personality profile premise.

Yay.. Do they keep statistics on which group has the most slobs? That's what I'm looking for.. It's not rigged question.... It's a single personaly... Answer the question.... What is that personality likely to choose??

Slobs love crossbows... It's only logical.. A slob is going to pick up a crossbow over any other bow.. That's plain and simple common sense.. I'm going to put this next line by itself so nobody misreads it


NOT every person that chooses a crossbow is a slob.. BUT almost EVERY SLOB will choose a crossbow.. <-- That is an undesputable truth....

[jackalope]

I'm not trying to be a jerk in my first few days on this website, but posting a completely subjective question, then calling people out for not answering it, does nothing.


Oh you're not being a jerk.. it's just a discussion... Almost a semi annual requirement around here to have this discussion.. :D

The question however "is what it is"... It's not a subjective stereotype and not designed to categorize an entire group.... It's only 1 person per personality..

It's simple multiple choice..

Based on the personalities given.... I'll say that again. Based on the personalities given. What is the weapon of choice for that individual??

[bowhunter1023]

You are going to keep whining until someone answers this aren't you?!? :biggrin: :cheeky-smiley-022: ;)

Below you will find the mentality of 3 bowhunters... They each have a different personality and somewhat different goals.. They may overlap in some areas but are for the most part ideologically separate.. After reading about these individuals, please choose what you believe would be that persons "weapon of choice" based on their personality traits... They are in no way a "description" of all bowhunters in that weapon choice.. But 3 separate mentalities of single individuals. They are not meant to stereotype an individual weapon choice but rather to match the likely weapon with the personality of that hunter.


Hunter A.. Traddie
Hunter prescribes to a challenge. He takes pride in his abilities. And constantly strives to be better at it even if he sucks.. He hones his skills of concealment, stalking, and woodsmanship. Immensely enjoys his time afield.. To him it isn’t about if he kills a deer, it’s about how he kills the deer. He has set a goal for himself to do something fulfilling in his hobby.. And strives for the sweet feeling of success.

Hunter B. Wheelie
Also prescribes to a challenge, although not in the same way as hunter A.. His challenge comes from his knowledge and abilities as a bowhunter.. Always striving to learn more about his prey. He strives to the challenge of finding quality deer, Getting within 45 yards and killing them with a well placed shot.. He meticulously practices scent control, scouting, stand placement, the art of concealment, and stealth. He strives to understand the relation of bedding areas, feeding areas, and the funnels that connect them.. Some of them strive for big bucks, others for the time afield and the satisfaction of success.. He considers his hobby an art and a science.. And is always striving to figure out the unknown variables..

Hunter C String rifler
Well.. He doesn’t care so much about woodsmanship, scouting, concealment and stalking abilities.. He just wants to hunt and kill something today.. Hunter C prescribes to the philosophy that if he can make hunting easier, he doesn’t have to spend time sharpening his skills. This hunter feels that if he can eliminate skill he doesn’t have to spend time on practicing.. After all he just wants to make it easier to kill deer. Practicing scent control is just another thing that wastes time, stand placement is a moot point. I can just walk around and sit where I like.. Hunter C likes to take the quickest easiest way to achieving the end result of all bowhunters including A and B.. And he wants to do it the easiest way possible..

Seems logical to me. A slob hunter is one that takes the easy way out. Of the three weapons, what is easier? Jack has done a fine job of pointing that out, some just choose to ignore it. Perhaps, as Jack said, the truth hurts...

[TheCream]

Below you will find the mentality of 3 bowhunters... They each have a different personality and somewhat different goals.. They may overlap in some areas but are for the most part ideologically separate.. After reading about these individuals, please choose what you believe would be that persons "weapon of choice" based on their personality traits... They are in no way a "description" of all bowhunters in that weapon choice.. But 3 separate mentalities of single individuals. They are not meant to stereotype an individual weapon choice but rather to match the likely weapon with the personality of that hunter.


Hunter A..
Hunter prescribes to a challenge. He takes pride in his abilities. And constantly strives to be better at it even if he sucks.. He hones his skills of concealment, stalking, and woodsmanship. Immensely enjoys his time afield.. To him it isn’t about if he kills a deer, it’s about how he kills the deer. He has set a goal for himself to do something fulfilling in his hobby.. And strives for the sweet feeling of success.

Hunter B.
Also prescribes to a challenge, although not in the same way as hunter A.. His challenge comes from his knowledge and abilities as a bowhunter.. Always striving to learn more about his prey. He strives to the challenge of finding quality deer, Getting within 45 yards and killing them with a well placed shot.. He meticulously practices scent control, scouting, stand placement, the art of concealment, and stealth. He strives to understand the relation of bedding areas, feeding areas, and the funnels that connect them.. Some of them strive for big bucks, others for the time afield and the satisfaction of success.. He considers his hobby an art and a science.. And is always striving to figure out the unknown variables..

Hunter C
Well.. He doesn’t care so much about woodsmanship, scouting, concealment and stalking abilities.. He just wants to hunt and kill something today.. Hunter C prescribes to the philosophy that if he can make hunting easier, he doesn’t have to spend time sharpening his skills. This hunter feels that if he can eliminate skill he doesn’t have to spend time on practicing.. After all he just wants to make it easier to kill deer. Practicing scent control is just another thing that wastes time, stand placement is a moot point. I can just walk around and sit where I like.. Hunter C likes to take the quickest easiest way to achieving the end result of all bowhunters including A and B.. And he wants to do it the easiest way possible..

I'm still trying to figure out which one is the gun hunter...:coco:

[jackalope]

You are going to keep whining until someone answers this aren't you?!? :biggrin: :cheeky-smiley-022: ;)



Seems logical to me. A slob hunter is one that takes the easy way out. Of the three weapons, what is easier? Jack has done a fine job of pointing that out, some just choose to ignore it. Perhaps, as Jack said, the truth hurts...


Maybe I'm getting my monthly...

It's like pulling teeth to get an answer.... :rolleyes: :) I would like to think it's not a hard question.....

If I provided these personalities

1. I like bottled Juice, glocks, and inner city.
2. I like Budweiser, camaros, and trailer parks
3. I like Tequila, extension ladders, and 20 in one apartment

Who would chose what lifestyle.....

I wouldn't even need to provide the answers for multiple choice... Yeah it's that obvious....


:D:D:D:D:D

[jackalope]

I'm still trying to figure out which one is the gun hunter...:coco:


That would require reading comprehension past the first sentence... :D:D:D


Below you will find the mentality of 3 bowhunters... They each have a different personality and somewhat different goals.. They may overlap in some areas but are for the most part ideologically separate.. After reading about these individuals, please choose what you believe would be that persons "weapon of choice" based on their personality traits... They are in no way a "description" of all bowhunters in that weapon choice.. But 3 separate mentalities of single individuals. They are not meant to stereotype an individual weapon choice but rather to match the likely weapon with the personality of that hunter.


Hunter A..
Hunter prescribes to a challenge. He takes pride in his abilities. And constantly strives to be better at it even if he sucks.. He hones his skills of concealment, stalking, and woodsmanship. Immensely enjoys his time afield.. To him it isn’t about if he kills a deer, it’s about how he kills the deer. He has set a goal for himself to do something fulfilling in his hobby.. And strives for the sweet feeling of success.

Hunter B.
Also prescribes to a challenge, although not in the same way as hunter A.. His challenge comes from his knowledge and abilities as a bowhunter.. Always striving to learn more about his prey. He strives to the challenge of finding quality deer, Getting within 45 yards and killing them with a well placed shot.. He meticulously practices scent control, scouting, stand placement, the art of concealment, and stealth. He strives to understand the relation of bedding areas, feeding areas, and the funnels that connect them.. Some of them strive for big bucks, others for the time afield and the satisfaction of success.. He considers his hobby an art and a science.. And is always striving to figure out the unknown variables..

Hunter C
Well.. He doesn’t care so much about woodsmanship, scouting, concealment and stalking abilities.. He just wants to hunt and kill something today.. Hunter C prescribes to the philosophy that if he can make hunting easier, he doesn’t have to spend time sharpening his skills. This hunter feels that if he can eliminate skill he doesn’t have to spend time on practicing.. After all he just wants to make it easier to kill deer. Practicing scent control is just another thing that wastes time, stand placement is a moot point. I can just walk around and sit where I like.. Hunter C likes to take the quickest easiest way to achieving the end result of all bowhunters including A and B.. And he wants to do it the easiest way possible..

[November Sunrise]

Yay.. Do they keep statistics on which group has the most slobs? That's what I'm looking for.. It's not rigged question.... It's a single personaly... Answer the question.... What is that personality likely to choose??

Slobs love crossbows... It's only logical.. A slob is going to pick up a crossbow over any other bow.. That's plain and simple common sense.. I'm going to put this next line by itself so nobody misreads it


NOT every person that chooses a crossbow is a slob.. BUT almost EVERY SLOB will choose a crossbow.. <-- That is an undesputable truth....

As I said before, get the stats from your wildlife division. The numbers are indisputable. The majority of hunters shoot compounds in their 20's & into their mid 30's and then they migrate in large numbers to crossbows in their 40's & 50's. As hunters switch from one archery option to another there is no indication that their ethics begin to vary or decline.

[TheCream]

That would require reading comprehension past the first sentence... :D:D:D

Jack, dang it, I was trying to drop a subtle hint that you need a new thread to describe gun hunters! What would we have...the slug gun hunter, the in-line muzzleloader, the trad muzzleloader, and the pistol hunter...would you include "the driver" and "the stand hunter?" :confused::D

[Hill Hunter]

Is it hard to shoot from that soap box?:dizzy:

[dannmann801]

Is it hard to shoot from that soap box?:dizzy:

LMAO, now that was funny
Hill Hunter - 1

[dannmann801]

You are going to keep whining until someone answers this aren't you?!? :biggrin: :cheeky-smiley-022: ;)



Seems logical to me. A slob hunter is one that takes the easy way out. Of the three weapons, what is easier? Jack has done a fine job of pointing that out, some just choose to ignore it. Perhaps, as Jack said, the truth hurts...

I understand completely what Jackalope is saying. And yes, of the three weapons, the crossbow is obviously the easiest to master. And unfortunately, I'm sure there are knuckleheads who go out and buy a xbow and have no respect for the sport or the deer or their fellow hunters and just want to kill something. Think it's easy. And they might even get something then think they're cool. Guys will do that with shotguns too. And to guys who were brought up or brought themselves up in a respectable hunting culture, these "slobs" are a stench in their nostrils. And rightly so.

I just get irritated because when I started into archery, I chose the xbow for my reasons...good reasons...and am now subject to something akin to "racial profiling" by brother hunters. I bought my bow for the right reason - to extend my season. And when I was shopping and put that bow up to my shoulder and pulled it in it felt natural, like an extension of me. And I practiced before I headed to the field with that bow, and felt sure of myself. And I practice still, almost every day. I was taught gun hunting the right way as a boy, and carried those ethics into archery hunting. So, I was getting a little miffed by the seemingly prevalent attitude of "crossbow hunters are slobs". Like I said, it can be like profiling. But as it turns out, most of my communications are with guys who have no problem with crossbow hunters and are supportive of anybody trying to participate in our sport the right way and may have started out as stringgunners then got turned on to compounds and are now truly passionate about it. I'm beating a dead horse. Stop now Dan. But you old timers need to remember that the noobs in our sport would profit from support rather than condescension. But being Americans we're gonna do whatever we want anyway and screw what anybody else thinks. Here's an idea for a poll: What weapon did you start your archery career with and what is your preference now? Bet there's a HUGE buttload of ex xbow guys doing compound now. I'd like to see the numbers on THAT.

[Peppy]

Something esle to consider is; compound hunters (I'm one) have also taken the easy way on regards to bows or they would be using a longbow or a recurve. Compounds have sights, silencers, triggers (aka releases), high let-offs, cams, parrallel limbs, very high IBO speeds, etc..

Not trying to be divisive in my analysis, but it's clear compound hunters, although not using a crossbow, have taken the exact path away from the traditional equipment, that many hunters are blaming the x-bow guys have taken away from compounds.

Their are plenty of compound hunters who don't practice, scout, etc., and may be just as likely to wound an animal or maybe even more likely because the weapon they choose is not as easy to master as the x-bow.

What has me upset about the addition of the crossbow in PA is the process in which in happened. I believe the manufactures were a big player as well as a PA Legislature who hunted in Ohio, and therfore wanted them legal in PA so he didn't have to drive to Ohio anymore. Consider yourselves lucky in that respect. lol :biggrin:

Also, while us hunters have been busy going at about this subject I fear we are giving the anti-hunters a side door to enter while we are looking. We need to band together at some point, I understand people are passionate about their position on this matter, but we might serve each other better if we hold each other more accountable, especially with bow hunting and education surrounding the weapon, including the x-bow, then the constant attacks and personal agendas.

[OCLJ]

I just get irritated because when I started into archery, I chose the xbow for my reasons...good reasons...and am now subject to something akin to "racial profiling" by brother hunters. I bought my bow for the right reason - to extend my season.


I was walking my property wearing all orange last gun season and had a slug hit a tree about 15 yards from me. I think the gun hunting "slobs" and trespassers during gun season are a much bigger issue and worry than crossbow hunters.

I know every owner in the area around me, a total area of about 1300 acres. There are 4 people who have permission to hunt during gun season. For some odd reason, it sounds like WWIII out there.

Basically what I am saying is that I want to gun hunt, but for reasons of safety and for an extended season, I will be using a "gun" that is legal during archery season.

[Gary in Ohio]

Well this is your typical crossbow discussion. It's a bit odd to see it in a crossbow forum.

I'm reminded of something an old man who lived in a really nice part of Arizona said: "Everyone wants to be the last person to move to paradise". It was a great place to live but it would be spoiled by having too many people move in. For years he watched people move in and then try to restrict growth to keep others out.

It's a shame some people posting here are not as wise as old Martin.

[jackalope]

Well this is your typical crossbow discussion. It's a bit odd to see it in a crossbow forum.

I'm reminded of something an old man who lived in a really nice part of Arizona said: "Everyone wants to be the last person to move to paradise". It was a great place to live but it would be spoiled by having too many people move in. For years he watched people move in and then try to restrict growth to keep others out.

It's a shame some people posting here are not as wise as old Martin.

Following wise old martins logic applied to deer hunting, we should legalize high power rifles for next season...

Welcome BTW..

[mrex]

Would it help if jackalope said, “as a percent of each segment of the archery hunting population, more slob hunters choose to hunt with crossbows than any other weapon?” He’s stated repeatedly that all crossbow hunters are not slobs.

The over whelming argument in favor of crossbow hunting is the fact that it gives capable hunters the ability to hunt, that are not capable of hunting with a vertical bow. I started both of my kids out with crossbows. My oldest son was physically able to pull back a 45# compound when he was 10 years old. He killed his first P&Y at age 11.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p90/PupFan1/CCI12182008_00000.jpg

My youngest son was still hunting with a crossbow at age 12. Not because of his inability to pull back a legal weight bow, but rather his lack of practice and proficiency.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p90/PupFan1/corey06008.jpg

This isn’t to say my youngest was a “slob” hunter. He just didn’t have the drive to practice as much as his brother did at such a young age.

[conley20]

i am 32 years old and i hunt with a crossbow but i do have bad artritsis in my hands so it is hard for me to pull a compound back, but besides that i think it is the individuals choice on what kind of bow he or she prefers and if the compound bow people want to complain about crossbows then i'm gonna tell them if you want to hunt deer the way it used to be along time ago use a longbow or a recurve and put down your compound because compounds are more accurate and faster than a crossbow so that gives you the advantage, so i say hunt with what you like and don't talk about other people and what they like because i have no problem with what ever kind of bow you use and good luck to you all.

[jackalope]

Would it help if jackalope said, “as a percent of each segment of the archery hunting population, more slob hunters choose to hunt with crossbows than any other weapon?” He’s stated repeatedly that all crossbow hunters are not slobs.

The over whelming argument in favor of crossbow hunting is the fact that it gives capable hunters the ability to hunt, that are not capable of hunting with a vertical bow. I started both of my kids out with crossbows. My oldest son was physically able to pull back a 45# compound when he was 10 years old. He killed his first P&Y at age 11.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p90/PupFan1/CCI12182008_00000.jpg

My youngest son was still hunting with a crossbow at age 12. Not because of his inability to pull back a legal weight bow, but rather his lack of practice and proficiency.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p90/PupFan1/corey06008.jpg

This isn’t to say my youngest was a “slob” hunter. He just didn’t have the drive to practice as much as his brother did at such a young age.

Thanks Mrex thats exactly what I was am attempting to say.. I don't know if people are incapable of understanding that, or just refuse to understand it... With all weapons considered I think it flows in this logical order. As it pertains to percentages of slobs in each subset..

1. Gun Season Only group
2. Crossbow Group
3. Compound Group
4. Traditional Group

In my opinion the groups above are in order of most slob members..

However in my observations there is a giant leap between each group as far as the percentage of slobs they contain. This could also be due to the total amount of hunter participating in each group. As they also correlate in order from highest to lowest of participants.

I have never advocated removing crossbows from regular archery season... But I am a strong advocate of limiting their use to certain individuals of necessity..

1. Those under 18
2. Individuals with physical limitations incapable of drawing the minimum 45 pounds

[deerhunt45]

I have never advocated removing crossbows from regular archery season... But I am a strong advocate of limiting their use to certain individuals of necessity..

1. Those under 18
2. Individuals with physical limitations incapable of drawing the minimum 45 pounds

I totally disagree with you on that...

[OHBOW76]

Personally I dont give a crap what others choose to hunt with (hunt with a rock, .50 cal, whatever, as long as its legal), afterall we are all hunters and are all in this together in the end. I have hunted with every weapon allowed during the various seasons in OH. I have taken deer with Bows (in fact my two biggest bucks), a doe with a recurve, currently using a crossbow, and use shotguns, muzzeloaders, and handguns. I hunt with whatever I feel like hunting with that day in accordance with the season/regs. Each offers advantages and disadvantages in given situations, and I get satisfaction regardless whenever I harvest a deer regardless of the weapon used.

I just get fed up with people trying to push what they feel is appropriate or inappropriate on me or others. If you dont like the current system then contact ODNR, otherwise stop lobbying for your own little special season and stop trying to push others out. Get over yourselves.

[jackalope]

I totally disagree with you on that...

Within the crossbow subset you have 4 groups of primary individuals

1 Slobs
2. Kids and women.
3. Disabled people
4 Physically capable people that choose to shoot crossbows for whatever reason but are not slobs.

Numbers 2 and 3 would still be allowed in regular archery season....

Number 4 can still hunt with regular archery equipment..

Looks like the only losers is number 1. The slobs....

[Schu72]

So.....Why are able bodied hunters allowed to use Compounds in your senario? Why single out the crossbow? Shouldn't it be traditional or nothing for able bodied hunters? All of this just because of the slob hunters?

To me archery hunting is about the intimacy, not the weapon. I love getting so close you think they can hear your heart pounding. Crossbow, compound, or traditional it doesn't matter. You still have to get within 35-40 yards of your quarry.
However, I do agree that slobs will take the easiest route, and crossbows are the easiest to master. But, if that choice were taken away don't you think the slobs would move to the next easiest weapon?

[OhioStuds2310]

I agree 110% with "Redcloud" which was the first to reply to this topic. It is a debate that will always be in the hunting industry and comes about each and every year on this forum. I didn't sit here and read all of the comments on this debate because like I said the topic has be discussed before and I have given my opinion but Redcloud said it darn there perfect basically exactly as I stated before.If you can pull the leagal limit in draw weight pick up a real stick and string and practice. If you cant then by all means get out there and enjoy archery season with a crossbow (handicapped/incapable, elderly, youngsters, and women only). Basically If you have fun thats all that truly counts! Just my personal opinion.

[jackalope]

So.....Why are able bodied hunters allowed to use Compounds in your senario? Why single out the crossbow? Shouldn't it be traditional or nothing for able bodied hunters? All of this just because of the slob hunters?

To me archery hunting is about the intimacy, not the weapon. I love getting so close you think they can hear your heart pounding. Crossbow, compound, or traditional it doesn't matter. You still have to get within 35-40 yards of your quarry.
However, I do agree that slobs will take the easiest route, and crossbows are the easiest to master. But, if that choice were taken away don't you think the slobs would move to the next easiest weapon?

Yes they would.. The vast majority would probably just go the "gun only group" And we only have to deal with them for a few weeks a season that we already have to deal with them.

And the rest may actually attempt to Bowhunt.. They'll find out real quick lawncahirs and walking around all over gods green earth all morning isn't going to work well with a compound or a recurve.. Or at a minimum at least get very good at it to where it doesn't jack everyone else up on the entire property...

While Those under 18 and Individuals with physical limitations would still enjoy bowhunting with a crossbow in regular archery..

I would settle for just limiting them on public land during archery season.

Public land limited crossbows requirements...
1. Those under 18
2. Individuals with physical limitations incapable of drawing the minimum 45 pounds

[Hill Hunter]

As long as you hunt with some ethics, obey the laws and show some considreation for your fellow hunters and landowners I welcome you into the deer woods with me regaurdless of the weapon that you choose. And we have put everyone into groups to square off against every one, what about those new fangled aluminum and carbon arrows? a real hunter would never use something like ,that there are 2 groups, 2 sticks and a string and everyone esle.:o

To quote others: I'm just sayin

[jackalope]

So I was walking around public land this summer looking for new blackberry bushes.. I came across a 5 gallon bucket with a camo shirt wrapped around it. on the edge of a field no frontal cover.. So what you say... This Bucket was a mile away from the "public hunting area" and only 300 yards from the picnic area..

Care to guess what the hunters weapon of choice was?

[jackalope]

As long as you hunt with some ethics, obey the laws and show some considreation for your fellow hunters and landowners I welcome you into the deer woods with me regaurdless of the weapon that you choose. And we have put everyone into groups to square off against every one, what about those new fangled aluminum and carbon arrows? a real hunter would never use something like ,that there are 2 groups, 2 sticks and a string and everyone esle.:o

To quote others: I'm just sayin

I agree up to a point, but the sad reality is the majority of people i have seen being slobs on public land were toting a crossbow..

This isn't about technological advances or a technology war.. It's about the crossbow superhighway for slobs invading public land..

I'm not going to go into the similar archery principals of compound vs trad
But i will tell you none of them apply to crossbows...
Both of the later require a varying amount of skill. one more than the other.
A crossbow requires... Well..... just a crossbow... And thats why it's so appealing to slobs.

[jackalope]

To give you a little background of why i am so against them..

I hunted public land archery for 2 years in ohio.. It damn near drove me to just hang up the bow permanently. On the third year I didn't even really bowhunt except about 10 days the entire season..... I was disgusted and done.... 7 of those days I huntef a private spot i got invited to.. 3 days were public in early season....

I am now a member of that private spot and will NEVER bowhunt public land again..

WHY

Because it's over run with every tom, dick, and harry, toting a crossbow and being complete slobs.

[OCLJ]

To give you a little background of why i am so against them..

I hunted public land archery for 2 years in ohio.. It damn near drove me to just hang up the bow permanently. On the third year I didn't even really bowhunt except about 10 days the entire season..... I was disgusted and done.... 7 of those days I huntef a private spot i got invited to.. 3 days were public in early season....

I am now a member of that private spot and will NEVER bowhunt public land again..

WHY

Because it's over run with every tom, dick, and harry, toting a crossbow and being complete slobs.

You are running a statistical fallacy here. I bet you that the problem is public hunting grounds, not the crossbows.

I bet if you ran a true survey and a true analysis, the problem with "slobs" would have a higher r when regarding where they hunt, rather than what they hunt with.

[Hill Hunter]

Hunting public land is tough unless you can find the pockets most don't know about, Turkey hunting years ago was that way, what few birds there were resided on public land and the slob hunters almost made it not worth the hassel ,Almost .Slobs do invade our public lands along with everyone esle because they have a hard time getting permission and thanks to them so does every one esle. I feel your pain Jackalope and am glad you found a place.

[Duke0002]

Lots of experiences here -good and bad.

Will try my luck with a crossbow for turkey this fall and in the spring. First time using something other than a full choke and #5s. I'm guessing it will be like hunting birds for the first time. Who knows, it may prompt me to go vertical.

[jackalope]

You are running a statistical fallacy here. I bet you that the problem is public hunting grounds, not the crossbows.

I bet if you ran a true survey and a true analysis, the problem with "slobs" would have a higher r when regarding where they hunt, rather than what they hunt with.


I also agree that there may be a greater portion of them utilizing public land because their slobbness gets them kicked off private land. But it doesn't change the fact that 95% of them are toting a crossbow. They still gravitated to that as their a weapon of choice..

We have 3 guys in our club that shoot crossbows.. None are "slobs" 2 are kids and 1 is far over weight.. BTW both kids age 13 just got compounds this summer and are good shots at 30 yards...

We also have about 20 in the gun only category, 40% them would probably be considered slobbish.. But I don't care.. I only have to avoid them for a few weeks out of the year..


I do agree with you though. It's probably not "crossbows as a whole" Probably just "public land crossbows" So maybe a (Public land limited crossbow usage requirement) would be better... Those under 18 and those with a handicap sticker..

Might make Ohio's public land somewhat enjoyable to hunt again..

[Fish-n-Fool]

These debates rise up every couple months it seems - especially in the off season.
First, I HAVE to address the SLOB issue. The weapon of choice has nothing to do with a slob. I've run across slob hunters in all regards and being 100% honest if I had to make a top 10 list, the top 10 all hunt with compounds. This is just as biased as those clammering about X-bow slobs, well because all 10 are in the same family! This entire family is very heavy into 3-D shoots (the women do quite well in competition) and they all start shooting at a young age. They also take ANY shot at ANY deer at ANY range. The uncle got tossed on property I used to hunt for launching 70-100 yard shots with his compound - completely absurd group of people. His brother called us to help him track a buck and when we showed up he told us he stuck him right in the leg as that was what he could see:coco:

Slobs are slobs and if you hand that slob a rifle, X-bow, or home carved recurve he will still be a slob and use the same poor judgement. I won't argue that a X-bow isn't easier to become proficient with, but lets not act like a compound bow is a great feat to learn to shoot either.

Personally, I have hunted and killed deer with: compound bow, X-bow, shotgun, traditional blackpowder, modern in-line blackpowder. I've bow fished with a recurve and even hunted deer with the same recurve in my youth, but never took a shot at a deer with it.

I hunted all of last year with a TenPoint X-box after falling and hurting my back at work. I didn't take a shot at a deer, but it would not have taken anything away from the experience - nothing! It looks like I will be hitting the woods with that same X-bow this year and I'm not upset the least - I still get to hunt!!!

I can't believe a bunch of adults that enjoy the same sport so much can have such strong feelings about what weapons their comrades are using:confused: As long as the weapon is capable and doesn't present unreasonable danger (centerfire rifles in the north part of the state, etc.) why do you care what your neighboor kills HIS deer with?

I'm sure the non X-bow hunters would kill a few extra deer and the gun seasons as well; however IMO the X-box crowd is vital to helping the state manage the herd.

Besides, this is all just in fun to discuss here in OH - it ain't going away for those of you that wish it would - you'd better move out of state or get over it!

[Schu72]

I agree up to a point, but the sad reality is the majority of people i have seen being slobs on public land were toting a crossbow..


Probably because statistically there are more crossbow hunters(I think) than vertical bow hunters. (More deer were harvested with crosss than vertical according to ODNR) So yes you will see more crossbow hunters in general.

I'm not sure what you are seeing when you say you see people being slob hunters. I don't see many hunters during bow season, even on public ground.

[jackalope]

Probably because statistically there are more crossbow hunters(I think) than vertical bow hunter. (More deer were harvested with crosss than vertical according to ODNR) So yes you will see more crossbow hunters in general.

I'm not sure what you are seeing when you say you see people being slob hunters. I don't see many hunters during bow season, even on public ground.

Oh where to begin.......

Walking around the whole place all day hoping to jump a deer and shoot it..
Walking up on someones setup and just keep going. No fellow hunter courtesy for setups.
Scent control .Forget it.
Pulling in an hour after sunrise and parking right by 2-3 other trucks and walking around genuinely not caring if they walk in on someone..
Walking around the whole place and plopping down under whatever tree they wish
Sitting around in lawn chairs.
Launching 80+ yard shots at deer.
Beer in a small cooler and X-bow on the other
ATV usage on no motor vehicle trails
Half camo if any camo at all. (jeans black carhart jacket)

These are just the things I have seen time and time again.. For the first 2 years I probably hunted public land every weekend both days and never once failed to see at least 1 of the above almost every time out.

[Schu72]

Perhaps you are just a "slob magnet"? Only kidding.:D I have seen some of what you describe, but only in gun season. I have been fortunate to be relativley unmolested while bowhunting.

[jackalope]

Perhaps you are just a "slob magnet"? Only kidding.:D I have seen some of what you describe, but only in gun season. I have been fortunate to be relativley unmolested while bowhunting.


I try.. I get away off the beaten path. Get around behind them.. Stay away from pull offs. Walk 2 miles in.. It never fails about 9:30am here come crossbow bob.. This is in Central Ohio where public land may be 40 miles apart and then only 1000-5000 acres.. I finally came to the conclusion you can't get away from them....

I did find one place though.. It's across a creek that runs the middle of the 5000 acre public property.. This piece is divided by the creek on one side and private land on the other. Creating a 500 acre slobless island.. So to get there you have to walk 3 miles around the creek or cross knee deep thats usually running hard and about 20 yards wide.. I used their laziness against them.. I packed thigh boots and crossed the creek

Even then i would still get walked up on every 2 or 3 hunts. You should see the deer over there after gun season..


I will say one thing we can probably all agree on who is the most inconsiderate, walk about, trespassing, hunters....

I'll give you a clue.. They usually only cary a stick in the fall turkey woods....

[oobuck]

I try.. I get away off the beaten path. Get around behind them.. Stay away from pull offs. Walk 2 miles in.. It never fails about 9:30am here come crossbow bob.. This is in Central Ohio where public land may be 40 miles apart and then only 1000-5000 acres.. I finally came to the conclusion you can't get away from them....

I did find one place though.. It's across a creek that runs the middle of the 5000 acre public property.. This piece is divided by the creek on one side and private land on the other. Creating a 500 acre slobless island.. So to get there you have to walk 3 miles around the creek or cross knee deep thats usually running hard and about 20 yards wide.. I used their laziness against them.. I packed thigh boots and crossed the creek

Even then i would still get walked up on every 2 or 3 hunts. You should see the deer over there after gun season..




I will say one thing we can probably all agree on who is the most inconsiderate, walk about, trespassing, hunters....

I'll give you a clue.. They usually only cary a stick in the fall turkey woods....



Would it be safe to say without crossbows, we would not have the lengthy archery seasons that we now enjoy in Ohio? Would it also be safe to say that the gun seasons would be greatly expanded, to help control the herd. Would you cry even more? Probably. Be carful what you wish for.:idea:

[jeffmo]

i'm just sitting here wondering a few things.
in the states where crossbows aren't allowed,WHAT is the preferred archery weapon of the slob hunter during their bow season?
outside of the moment of the shot(admitted difference being draw vs aim),are there any real differences between what either hunter needs to do,pertaining to scouting,stand location,scent and/or wind control,etc., to help his chances for a successful hunt?

there are slobs in every season carrying every type of weapon and wiping their feet on every law and regulation.

[redcloud102]

i'm just sitting here wondering a few things.
in the states where crossbows aren't allowed,WHAT is the preferred archery weapon of the slob hunter during their bow season?
outside of the moment of the shot(admitted difference being draw vs aim),are there any real differences between what either hunter needs to do,pertaining to scouting,stand location,scent and/or wind control,etc., to help his chances for a successful hunt?

there are slobs in every season carrying every type of weapon and wiping their feet on every law and regulation.


I know the guys your talking about there Jeffmo. They still use crossbows and I think we call them OUT OF STATE HUNTERS :D.

Now really I wouldn't even like to take a guess on it but, I couldn't resist tossing that in lol.

[conley20]

when you say that most slob hunters use crossbows is like saying guns kill people, its people that kill people, not guns, so the same goes for the slobs its their personality and they are gonna be that way no matter what they use, so you can't take it out on the crossbow, you take it out on the individual

[jeffmo]

I know the guys your talking about there Jeffmo. They still use crossbows and I think we call them OUT OF STATE HUNTERS :D.

Now really I wouldn't even like to take a guess on it but, I couldn't resist tossing that in lol.

hey now, i was an out of stater a few years back in colorado!:D:D:D
but i used a 7mm rem mag.

[jackalope]

Would it be safe to say without crossbows, we would not have the lengthy archery seasons that we now enjoy in Ohio? Would it also be safe to say that the gun seasons would be greatly expanded, to help control the herd. Would you cry even more? Probably. Be carful what you wish for.:idea:

For 2008 kill was
Gun 117,487 or 16,783 deer a day
Crossbow 46,480


Mathematically one would only need to extend gun season by 2.7 days to make up for the entire harvest of crossbows.. If we factor in the kill from people that might switch to compounds.. Factor in the disabled people, and kids that would still be allowed to use crossbows.. We could probably safely say we may only need 1 day of additional gun season to offset limiting crossbows to the disabled and kids..

So, limit crossbows to disabled people and those under 18
Open Gun Week On Sunday not Monday.

Even Steven harvest numbers

[jeffmo]

why limit crossbows to disabled people or those under 18?

[jackalope]

i'm just sitting here wondering a few things.
in the states where crossbows aren't allowed,WHAT is the preferred archery weapon of the slob hunter during their bow season?
outside of the moment of the shot(admitted difference being draw vs aim),are there any real differences between what either hunter needs to do,pertaining to scouting,stand location,scent and/or wind control,etc., to help his chances for a successful hunt?

there are slobs in every season carrying every type of weapon and wiping their feet on every law and regulation.


Every state is different and have different season for length of gun and archery etc... Ohio has a very very short gun season comparatively to many states.. In most states with gun seasons slobs tend to avoid bow season. They just wait until gun season when they can be slobs without much extra effort.. That is, after all, why a slob chooses a crossbow in the first place easiest path to deer hunting..

If crossbows were restricted to kids and disabled people most slobs toting crossbows wouldn't bother to pick up a compound. It goes against the reason they chose a crossbow in the first place.. It also goes against much of the slob tactic's that the crossbow enables them to use.. Like walking around all day, sitting under trees like it's turk season, or just sitting in the woods in a lawn chair.. None of these offer even a fraction of the success rate when those tactics are deployed with a compound vs a crossbow... So even if the slob went against his lazy ways it would still force them to be a little less slobbish..

Nope most of them would just wait until gun season. When they can walk around, sit in lawn chairs and hunt deer sitting under trees like it's turk season.. Then we would only have to deal with slobs for 1 extra day during gun season.. A season where we already have to deal with them anyway. But the relief will come in that we don't have to deal with them for the entire damn deer season.

[jackalope]

why limit crossbows to disabled people or those under 18?

This has already been discussed in earlier posts. I recommend reading the entire thread before joining in on the discussion.. It will make the topic much easier to keep in some sort of order. Thanks :)

Within the crossbow subset you have 4 groups of primary individuals

1 Slobs
2. Kids and women.
3. Disabled people
4 Physically capable people that choose to shoot crossbows for whatever reason but are not slobs.

Numbers 2 and 3 would still be allowed in regular archery season....

Number 4 can still hunt with regular archery equipment..

Looks like the only losers is number 1. The slobs....

[OCLJ]

Jackalope,

Your elitism absolutely disgusts me. You know, I have been a nationally ranked sporting clays shooter and you don't see me jumping on the gun forum calling people "slobs" because of what gun they choose to shoot. Or that anyone wanting to shoot clays, it's fine for disabled people to shoot semi autos and kids, but when you are over 18 until you are disabled, you should have to shoot an O/U. Same concept. You make me want to delete this site from my favorites and never look back.

The point is, we are all sportsmen. That is all that matters. This continued elitism of yours will do nothing but turn people away from hunting.

Good day

[jackalope]

Jackalope,

Your elitism absolutely disgusts me. You know, I have been a nationally ranked sporting clays shooter and you don't see me jumping on the gun forum calling people "slobs" because of what gun they choose to shoot. Or that anyone wanting to shoot clays, it's fine for disabled people to shoot semi autos and kids, but when you are over 18 until you are disabled, you should have to shoot an O/U. Same concept. You make me want to delete this site from my favorites and never look back.

The point is, we are all sportsmen. That is all that matters. This continued elitism of yours will do nothing but turn people away from hunting.

Good day


I never called people slobs because they shoot a compound.. I said a majority of slobs in archery season shoot crossbows.. There is a HUGE difference..

Nor do I feel that I am an "elitist" because I shoot a compound.... I am sure there are tons of crossbow shooters that could give me a hell of a time when it came to the tactics of hunting.. But it is indisputable that having a crossbow season allows for massive amounts of slobs in the woods the entire archery season.. It's just the nature of the slob.. Not the Crossbow..

If you feel that you need to remove yourself from an entire site instead of a single topic simply over a person whom you don't agree with; then you might as well cut off your entire internet and never leave the house...

You don't have to participate much less read this discussion.. It's your choice..

I hope that you would stay, as it's only a discussion...

[Quantum673]

Jackalope - I get what you are saying but I do disagree on one thing. Slobs are going to be slobs no matter what you do. If we ask the government to regulate crossbows they will either pick up a CP or wait until slug season. Either way they are still slobs. You may only have to deal with them for the week of gun but all the good sportsman that choose to hunt gun will have to deal with all of them at once. I wish there was an easy solution. I hunt public land only during Bow Season and occassionally I will have that guy walk up on me (In the last 3 years it has happened maybe 4-5 times). I still enjoy my time in the woods. Bottom line. There is no easy solution to get rid of slobs. So lets teach the youth how to be a true sportsman and hopefully we can outlast the slobs.

[OCLJ]

I never called people slobs because they shoot a compound.. I said a majority of slobs in archery season shoot crossbows.. There is a HUGE difference..

Nor do I feel that I am an "elitist" because I shoot a compound.... I am sure there are tons of crossbow shooters that could give me a hell of a time when it came to the tactics of hunting.. But it is indisputable that having a crossbow season allows for massive amounts of slobs in the woods the entire archery season.. It's just the nature of the slob.. Not the Crossbow.. But wanting to limit those who can use a crossbow IS.

If you feel that you need to remove yourself from an entire site instead of a single topic simply over a person whom you don't agree with; then you might as well cut off your entire internet and never leave the house... No. It's because I choose to hunt with a crossbow because I want to. Bottom line. Your little "who's who" crap in the beginning of this thread started it for me. I don't want to be on a website with a bunch of condescending posters IN the crossbow forum.

You don't have to participate much less read this discussion.. It's your choice.. See, the problem is, this is the CROSSBOW forum. This is where Crossbow enthusiasts and hunters should be able to gather and discuss issues. Not be criticized.

Now let me ask you this. Would you rather have a "slob" 150 yards away from you, facing towards you getting ready to shoot at a deer holding a 1. Crossbow or 2. A slug gun?

Like I said before, I am a gun shooter, but I refuse to hunt during gun season because of the morons. You are worried about slobs, I am worried about morons killing me. I choose crossbow because that is what I want to hunt with. I have no intention of ever picking up a compound bow. You want to criticize me for that? Go ahead, but do it in another forum. This area is for crossbow enthusiasts.

[jackalope]

But wanting to limit those who can use a crossbow IS.

No. It's because I choose to hunt with a crossbow because I want to. Bottom line. Your little "who's who" crap in the beginning of this thread started it for me. I don't want to be on a website with a bunch of condescending posters IN the crossbow forum.

See, the problem is, this is the CROSSBOW forum. This is where Crossbow enthusiasts and hunters should be able to gather and discuss issues. Not be criticized.

Now let me ask you this. Would you rather have a "slob" 150 yards away from you, facing towards you getting ready to shoot at a deer holding a 1. Crossbow or 2. A slug gun?

Like I said before, I am a gun shooter, but I refuse to hunt during gun season because of the morons. You are worried about slobs, I am worried about morons killing me. I choose crossbow because that is what I want to hunt with. I have no intention of ever picking up a compound bow. You want to criticize me for that? Go ahead, but do it in another forum. This area is for crossbow enthusiasts.


Contrary to what you believe Mr. OCLJ. This is not some protected little haven for crossbow discussion, where everyone must check their opinion at the door, and all must hold hands sing Kume-by-ya or be quiet.... You are correct, this is a "forum" for crossbow enthusiast to gather and discuss issues... I guess you mean as long as those issues suit your point of view.. This "Forum" contains plenty of other "threads" for positive discussion, and i don't subject my opinion to them off topic..... But this threads topic is not one of those other topics.... Again you are welcome to not read it if it rubs you the wrong way... There are afterall plenty of other threads which you may read to suite your satisfaction.. However for this thread the Original poster asked a question.. That question read as follows...

My question is; It seems to have seriously divided hunters. The passion one holds on the issue, on both sides, is very strong. Has Ohio dealt with this type of thing in the past or currently? And what are your thoughts concerning the crossbow as it continues to be legalized throughout the United States in the coming years. And will the hunters of PA ever get used to the crossbow in your opinion.

I will say again that if you aren't happy with my opinion then fine, that's great... Challenge logically the argument at hand.. Address the topic sir not the method of descussion.

[deerhunt45]

This a the proverbial dead horse :(