BIG BUCK! What would you do?

[Thunderflight]

It's the middle of November and your deer hunting on private property about two miles from the local high $$$ fenced hunting preserve that is known to have bucks with antlers of enormous and legendar preportions.

A week earlier a freak ice storm causes a 300 year old oak tree to fall on the fence and take out a 20 yard section. The tree falls at night and the ranch owner doesn't find out about it until the next morning. During this time five or six 200 inch plus deer got loose and are now running wild. The ranch owner has posted pictures and word about the accident has quickly spread through out the local communtiy.

Back to the hunt: That you hear movement and turn to see one of the 200 inch deer chasing a couple doe. After a few heart pounding momements the monster stops 15 yards broadside. Although there is no ear tag you know in your heart that this is the one of the $15,000 pen raised bucks. What do you do?

[ohiosam]

I'd shoot it just on principle. The principle that if I didn't it probably would end up back in the pen and shot by somebody who was to lazy to go on a real hunt. :mischeif::D

[coonskinner]

legally i think youre in the wrong cause its no different than shootin a cow but the loophole is no ear tag...so how would you really know...i mean really know...now if yuh sed the ear tag was there i deginately would not shoot a cow...errrr i mean deer or farm animal...i doan know bout not havin a ear tag though unless the deer dunn somethin that made me aware it was a farm animal...like maybe runnin up to me tuh play...i iknow i wouldnt be too happy bout the possibly diseased gittin loose into the wild herd ...:D i put wouldnt shoot cause i think they should have ear tags if not the deer farmer needs a real hefty fine that hopefully puts him outta business...:Dthere be no satisfaction in shootin a farm animal...

[Thunderflight]

legally i think youre in the wrong cause its no different than shootin a cow but the loophole is no ear tag...so how would you really know...i mean really know...now if yuh sed the ear tag was there i deginately would not shoot a cow...errrr i mean deer or farm animal...i doan know bout not havin a ear tag though unless the deer dunn somethin that made me aware it was a farm animal...like maybe runnin up to me tuh play...i iknow i wouldnt be too happy bout the possibly diseased gittin loose into the wild herd ...:D i put wouldnt shoot cause i think they should have ear tags if not the deer farmer needs a real hefty fine that hopefully puts him outta business...:Dthere be no satisfaction in shootin a farm animal...

Coonie, your over thinking this. I spelled out the scenerio so please don't try to hijack this thread and mold it to your own story. This is not a deer farm. It's a hunting preserve and as I already said there are no ear tags.

[coonskinner]

Coonie, your over thinking this. I spelled out the scenerio so please don't try to hijack this thread and mold it to your own story. This is not a deer farm. It's a hunting preserve and as I already said there are no ear tags.

theres no hijack,i answered it,i wouldnt shoot it,simple an thats how i voted...:Dbesides ,high fence,whats the diff. i was mainly talkin bout canned huntin place or preserve...i voted no...

[TRAPPER JOHN]

I would drop it in it's track's :mischeif:

[Photog]

If I didn't pee myslef and fall off the stand I would shoot. Probably miss, but I would shoot. Hell, I would club it to death if need be.

[GMbuck]

I'd shoot it. Legally, you are not in the wrong. Deer are not domestic animals. The ranch owner maintains no ownership interest in them after they have left his land.

There are many animals on our walls right now that got there as a matter of pure luck. The only skill involved was making the shot, whether we know it or not. If I am lucky enough to have this scenario unfold around me, I don't refuse the opportunity.

[Gern186]

Shoot it, after all, I am hunting for deer, right?:dizzy:

["J"]

I'd drop it like a bad habit then make sure the rancher sees the pictures of me with it lol. That's why he has insurance :whistle: If not too bad for him. By the way I think I'd apreciate it more then some one paying 15K to shoot it. Just my .02 cents

[shu9265]

Well I guess if I could actually believe it was a real deer and not my mind playing tricks on me, I would shoot.

After all there is no fences, and it is chasing does in the wild. SO yeah I would shoot him.

[whistlepig]

I would shoot. :mischeif:

[Duffy]

Shoot. Given the scenario, the option not to shoot is unreasonable.

[Quantum673]

No ear tag does it for me. There would be no way to be sure this was one of the high fenced deer. That is until I have my hands around those massive antlers and the farmer happens to be able to make a positive identification (for his insurance purposes).

[jackalope]

Tag in the ear or no tag, the DNR says shoot it..
Legally the owner has no claim to that deer once it leaves his property.. The only stipulation in the Agriculture laws is for cows and pigs. I forget the amount of days for a cow but it's only like 15 days after escape before you can shoot it. A pig is like 2 days, unless the farmer notifies everyone then it's only a week.. And the DNR doesn't want pen raised deer mingling with the natural herd for any length of time.. Just like the wild hogs we have in Ohio. .They were once on a hunting preserve... A few years ago in Vinton county.. I know a buddy who shot a free range ELK on private property.. I wonder where that came from.

[CARPN-JAKE]

Shoot it...Then call the DNR and see if they can issue you another tag. Why in the heck wouldn't you shoot it unless the thing was so tame you could walk up and slip a rope over its head....Or if you were friends with the deer farmer.

[bowhunter1023]

I'd shoot it just on principle. The principle that if I didn't it probably would end up back in the pen and shot by somebody who was to lazy to go on a real hunt. :mischeif::D

Amen! :D

[Shadow]

I don't think there is any true justification not to shoot. I would be just as proud of my pure dumb luck to get that moster compared to an actually 'wild' one.

Shoot away!

[Bullwinkle]

Id shoot that deer on the spot and tag it like any other. In Mi this exact same thing happened..Paul Mickey shot a big buck years back that was loose from a farm.....no problems with any thing..and its in the books! Seems to me they are deeemed ( wild) once they are loose. Pigs same thing, sitka deer same thing....

Ofcourse it wouldnt be ethical to say it was something other than what it could be.

[Buckmaster]

I came out to deer hunt today, thus I would shoot it....unless it had an opportunity to get close enough to me to pet it; it would then be issued a free pass.

[dnm]

If I didn't pee myslef and fall off the stand I would shoot. Probably miss, but I would shoot. Hell, I would club it to death if need be.


+1000 :bouncy:

[buckster]

This happend to us he had a gate blow down and about 15 got out.We never saw any monsters but we saw some with tags in thier ear.This was two years ago last yr my son shot one with a tag hole in his ear the tag had pulled out and ripped his ear.

[jhammer]

Drop it in it's tracks.

[jackalope]

I think game farms should be made to tag animals and keep extensive records of them in their enclosure.. And do an annual inventory If any animal is missing it must be produced or pay a fine per animal.

Native wildlife species = 10,000 each
Non-Native I.e. Razorbacks = 20,000 each

[geezer II]

Coonie, your over thinking this. I spelled out the scenerio so please don't try to hijack this thread and mold it to your own story. This is not a deer farm. It's a hunting preserve and as I already said there are no ear tags.

Coonie prolly get the hebe jebe's and it would get away afore he settled down enough ta shoot - :whistle: :mischeif:

[TheCream]

It's not my fault some moron built a shoddy fence to protect his perfect breed, whack and stack, baby. :mischeif:

But realistically, if there is no ear tag there is no guarantee it came from the preserve. And even if it did, I'd probably still shoot, then sell the antlers to Cabelas or Bass Pro. :D

[hntwhitetail]

Shoooooooooot

[Thunderflight]

Coonie prolly get the hebe jebe's and it would get away afore he settled down enough ta shoot - :whistle: :mischeif:

Either that or Wendy would shoot it out from under him...:bouncy:

All I can say is WOW!!! I expected the majority to vote yes, but figured a few would also say no. So far Coonie's the only one who voted no (I voted both yes and no just so I could see the poll, but I'd drop a string on him in a second). Then again he did try to jack the thread and morph it to his own story....:mischeif: :whistle: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

[ltownhunter]

i would shoot it without a doubt!!:bouncy:

[Meister649]

Thhhwwwaaaaacccccckkkkk!

[Big H]

I came out to deer hunt today, thus I would shoot it....unless it had an opportunity to get close enough to me to pet it; it would then be issued a free pass.

Yeah WHATEVER Buckmaster, you would pet him, then shoot him. Me, he would never have a chance to get close enough to pet. Dead deer.

[benehunter]

I would shoot it after it mounts the doe so I would have some more monsters for the years to come:D

[geezer II]

Either that or Wendy would shoot it out from under him...:bouncy:

All I can say is WOW!!! I expected the majority to vote yes, but figured a few would also say no. So far Coonie's the only one who voted no (I voted both yes and no just so I could see the poll, but I'd drop a string on him in a second). Then again he did try to jack the thread and morph it to his own story....:mischeif: :whistle: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

Yea i think Wendy Sue is the shooter on that team - :whistle: :mischeif:

[XX78]

I'd shoot it. Believe it or not you probably don't and the ODNR definitely doesn't want that thing to breed with does. In the effort to select for large racks, who knows what other problems it will pass on to its offspring. Puppy mill anyone?

[Bucko]

I guess my answer would be yes sir, there are big bucks in the area how would I know where it came from,I have seen big buck on the farms we hunt now and wonder where they come from and go to:mischeif: .BB

[45682]

i voted shoot, but after the rut of course. if i could pet him, i would feed him then turn him out during the rut around my house then he might comeback. get a collor to put on him. but before i could pet him id probably whack and stack him

[ohiosam]

I'd shoot it just on principle. The principle that if I didn't it probably would end up back in the pen and shot by somebody who was to lazy to go on a real hunt. :mischeif::D

And then I'd post photos on OS and you guys would all be impressed with what a great hunter I am.:whistle::D

[Woodland]

DRT.

I was hunting WNF during muzzy season about 10 years ago. We were down near New Metamoris along Rt 7 by the river. I turned around and saw 2 doe coming for me. Upon further review I noticed 1 was wearing a collar. I didn't know what to due. I wondered if some old lady had the other end of a leash out walking her pet deer. I watched the deer quarter past me to my right then finally decided heck with it I'm deer hunting ain't I. I took a shot as it was clearing a rise in the hillside. I missed but asked around in town about it & was told that the ODNR had put collars on some deer to track thier movements. If you shot one you had to return the collar.

[uglykat26]

thats freaky cause when we had that wind storm a few months ago, the hunting preserve here in cadiz had a tree come down across his fence two elk and a few bucks got out he got the elk back with a dart gun ,after one of them almost got hit by a car , not sure if he got his bucks back, but he said shoot em cause it would cost him more in damages if they got hit by cars then it would to try to get them back

[Beentown]

Tag in the ear or no tag, the DNR says shoot it..
Legally the owner has no claim to that deer once it leaves his property.. The only stipulation in the Agriculture laws is for cows and pigs. I forget the amount of days for a cow but it's only like 15 days after escape before you can shoot it. A pig is like 2 days, unless the farmer notifies everyone then it's only a week.. And the DNR doesn't want pen raised deer mingling with the natural herd for any length of time.. Just like the wild hogs we have in Ohio. .They were once on a hunting preserve... A few years ago in Vinton county.. I know a buddy who shot a free range ELK on private property.. I wonder where that came from.


:yeahthat:

[SouthernOhio#9]

Originally Posted by ohiosam
I'd shoot it just on principle. The principle that if I didn't it probably would end up back in the pen and shot by somebody who was to lazy to go on a real hunt.

And then I'd post photos on OS and you guys would all be impressed with what a great hunter I am.
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:D :D I'd say you're right!

[Outdoorsman]

Although there is no ear tag you know in your heart that this is the one of the $15,000 pen raised bucks. What do you do?


IF I KNOW IT IN MY HEART IT'S STEALING PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!

[coonskinner]

i guess some justify anythang,i aint shootin it an thats my answer...two reasons for me not too it belongs to somebuddy else and i just wouldnt want to shoot somethang that may just walk up to me...i qwill apologize for those scruples...:D

[OhioStuds2310]

It was an act of mother nature. If the tree fell on the fence than that is neither your fault or the owner of the ranch's fault. If a 200 hundred inch buck walked past me I would shoot it 100% of the time regardless where i was hunting. If there are no ear tags then whose to know if it is pen raised or not. It could just be your lucky day.

[Big H]

It was an act of mother nature. If the tree fell on the fence than that is neither your fault or the owner of the ranch's fault. If a 200 hundred inch buck walked past me I would shoot it 100% of the time regardless where i was hunting. If there are no ear tags then whose to know if it is pen raised or not. It could just be your lucky day.

Exactly my thoughts. Not only that, I would then "field dress" it in less than 3 minutes. :whistle:

Then you could post a picture on here, and have Coonie tell you it was probably fed some kind of mineral supplement and ate out of your food plot, and therefore was truly not a "wild" deer, and should have an asterix next to your name in the record book. :whistle:

[jackalope]

I would shoot it even if I watched it with my own 2 eyes walk out of the fence. Free range deer belong to the ODNR and they sold me a permit to shoot them.

[Hoytmania]

Fair game. The owner of the high fence farm should know better than to have a 200 year old oak that close to his high priced fence.

[Kaiser878]

I would airmail a rage mounted Carbon Express maxima right to the boiler maker! Signed and sealed with love from yours truly!!!!!!!

[coonskinner]

i feel very sad tuh have read this thread...really...i jus learned a lesson on ethics,,,:nono:

[Beentown]

I see nothing unethical about shooting a deer on my hunting property. Besides how in the heck could you determine if it was one of the penned animals anyway since they are hypothetically not ear tagged.

Ethics are mostly personal choices. One judgement of ethics would be if your "inner voice" was telling you if something was amiss. If I shot that deer my voice would be saying...should have kept it on your property....I will get my chance at a true trophy (wild deer in your definition) another year.

Beentown

[ohiosam]

i feel very sad tuh have read this thread...really...i jus learned a lesson on ethics,,,:nono:

OK, I think this thread was supposed to be a fun, but if you want to use it to question the ethics of members of the board 2 can play this game!

I know it is a violation of Ohio law to not have a farm raised deer tagged with a tag that identifies the farms. I believe it is a violation of Ohio law to release farm raised deer into the wild. I believe the part of the reason for not releasing farm raised deer is concerns about spreading diseases like CCW.

Based on the scenario Thunderflight put forth the deer with no ear tag is either A. Not one of the farm's bucks or B. A buck the farm was improperly keeping.

If you believe it is A. It is your prerogative as a legally licensed and equipped hunter to kill or not to kill this deer.

If you believe it is B. Then I believe it is your obligation as an ethical hunter to remove this deer from the herd before it has an chance to potentially contaminate the rest of the herd.

There stick that in your ethical pipe and smoke it.:mischeif::D

Last year in the area I hunt an Asian antelope ( I forget the exact name of the species) escaped from a local farm. The game warden requested that if anyone saw it during deer season that they should kill it. It was killed a couple of miles from where I hunt.

[NRA4Life]

I wouldn't hesitate in shooting this buck.

[357MAX]

125gr. Muzzy is on the way! I've been called unethical before for takeing a legal shot, and i'd take that shot again too!

[badger]

OK, I think this thread was supposed to be a fun, but if you want to use it to question the ethics of members of the board 2 can play this game!

I know it is a violation of Ohio law to not have a farm raised deer tagged with a tag that identifies the farms. I believe it is a violation of Ohio law to release farm raised deer into the wild. I believe the part of the reason for not releasing farm raised deer is concerns about spreading diseases like CCW.

Based on the scenario Thunderflight put forth the deer with no ear tag is either A. Not one of the farm's bucks or B. A buck the farm was improperly keeping.

If you believe it is A. It is your prerogative as a legally licensed and equipped hunter to kill or not to kill this deer.

If you believe it is B. Then I believe it is your obligation as an ethical hunter to remove this deer from the herd before it has an chance to potentially contaminate the rest of the herd.

There stick that in your ethical pipe and smoke it.:mischeif::D

Last year in the area I hunt an Asian antelope ( I forget the exact name of the species) escaped from a local farm. The game warden requested that if anyone saw it during deer season that they should kill it. It was killed a couple of miles from where I hunt.

I'm with ya Sam!

[OhioBoy86]

smoke him! if there is no ear tag, there should be no problem. It could be the state's property for all I would know at the time. Sure, I may see the pictures after the fact, but I shot the deer in the wild, which is better than walking up to it with corn in one hand and a gun in the other in a high fence area anyway:irked::whistle:. If it's any consolation, at least the deer was killed during a wild hunt and not a high fence area

[Gern186]

I'd shoot it just on principle. The principle that if I didn't it probably would end up back in the pen and shot by somebody who was to lazy to go on a real hunt. :mischeif::D


Are you referring to someone named Rob McCarly??

[robnj]

depends on how much of a reward he was asking for the deers return. whats the range on a tazer gun anyway:biggrin:
how come there no laughing smilie on this site?

[jeffmo]

not too many years ago a bull elk got loose from a high fence operation fairly close to where we deer hunt in vinton county.all the locals were keeping an eye on their cattle feeders and sure enought the big boy showed up and BOOM!!!!!!!
once the'yre out they're fair game in my book.
btw,if a 200" buck came by me i'd PROBABLY miss but,i'd definately shoot.and the pillow wouldn't seem hard that night for it either.sorry 'bout their loss!

[coonskinner]

so yuh all gonna enter it in the books too...:D

[jeffmo]

no,i'd tell people that i got it at a high fence operation and paid $12,000 for it!
that'd sure get the rumors going!!:D :D :D