How many would support.....

[whitetail_joe]

How many on here would support the idea that to earn your buck tag, you must first kill a doe first like they do in some other states. I sure would and its not like I can just go out and kill a doe anytime I want. There has been many years that I havent killed anything till the gun season. If they were to do this, here are some ideas I would recommend.
1. If you havent got anything by a couple days till gun season, then anyone can purchase a buck tag as long as you haven't already killed one. This way tag sales revenue, and nontagging issues of bucks would be minor.
2. Also have an early two day gun season, doe only if with a gun. But have it a little later then season start so people arent tempted by big buck in the beans.
So what are ideas and critics, would you support the idea or not. This should be interesting.

[Gern186]

I don't like the idea at all. I have friends and family who hunt Buffalo County Wisconsin and they don't like it up there for many reasons.

For one, some counties here, like up in parts of NW Ohio, couldn't survive very long if everybody whacked a doe before going for a buck. Our population is just not high enough to support that idea.

Secondly, there are a lot of guys around here that refuse to shoot a doe, just because it doesn't seem right to them.

I could see it happening in other parts of the state with higher populations of deer though.

[ohiosam]

:Protest_emoticon:

[uglykat26]

i dont support it but i would support a doe only muzzleloader season , one week for either sex then one week for antlerless only , our muzzleloader season just isnt long enough

[hunTer06]

I think it would just lead to more deer going untagged.

[bmiller]

So you're saying that you'd like the idea of having to pass up a 200" deer on opening day just because you have'nt killed a doe first?You are nuts :coco:

[FredT]

What I would like to see is a 4 point rule, the buck must have at least 4 points on one side to be legal. This would give the button bucks and spikes a chance to mature a bit. It works well in PA where they are seeing very nice antlered bucks now. The results in Ohio would be phenominal.

[Todd C]

Why is it that someone is always wanting to regulate what I can and cannot do. We have plenty of laws.

ya want to shoot a doe first, go for it, but why feel the need to infringe on my very limited amout of time that I can hunt, with more regs.

and for the record over the past ten years, my kill ratio is about 3-1 doe vs buck. But I don't need a regulation to make me do it, its just what walked by in range.

[CritterGitter]

:Protest_emoticon:

:yeahthat:

[countyroad]

I don't like the idea of earn a buck.

I understand the dnr is trying to force hunters to kill more does. The earn a buck idea to me is punishment toward hunters. There should be more incentives to harvest more does or more education.

I for one am not be able to eat more than one deer in a year so I only kill one, and that one has been a buck. I think there are many people in the same boat as me. I travel about 25% of the year so that really cuts into my venison eating and cooking time.

I've started compiling a list of friends that dont' hunt or maybe don't hunt as often as they would like but still have a desire for venison. My goal is to start harvesting more does and give them to friends that wish to take them. This past year I took one buck and my dad took 3 does off my grandparents' and there are plenty more to be had.

What are some of the incentives you see out there that could be offered in order to increase doe harvest?

[TheCream]

I would not support this. In a lot of ways, it makes sense and is well-intended to promote doe harvests. However, every year in Ohio it seems there is a stud or two killed on the archery opener. Take mrex's giant a few years back...would you approve a law that says he had to let that 200+ buck of a lifetime walk away because he had not killed a doe yet? Most folks in that situation would break the law and shoot the buck, and make a criminal out of an otherwise honest hunter. I know I would shoot the buck in that situation, not afraid to say it.

I think it would put a lot of hunters every year into a bad situation.

[hunter79]

i think it would just lead to more poaching and untagged deer like hunter 06 said.we have enough of that as is.

[hunter79]

I don't like the idea of earn a buck.

I understand the dnr is trying to force hunters to kill more does. The earn a buck idea to me is punishment toward hunters. There should be more incentives to harvest more does or more education.

I for one am not be able to eat more than one deer in a year so I only kill one, and that one has been a buck. I think there are many people in the same boat as me. I travel about 25% of the year so that really cuts into my venison eating and cooking time.

I've started compiling a list of friends that dont' hunt or maybe don't hunt as often as they would like but still have a desire for venison. My goal is to start harvesting more does and give them to friends that wish to take them. This past year I took one buck and my dad took 3 does off my grandparents' and there are plenty more to be had.

What are some of the incentives you see out there that could be offered in order to increase doe harvest?
free or lower priced doe permits would probably help to get more people to kill a doe.i know i don't like spending the money on more than 2 tags per yr. but if i got a free doe tag i might kill one more.

[countyroad]

I was kinda thinking about the dnr offering a buy 2 get one free type of deal?
When you compare a the price of a tag to other things you can do with your time though (like see a movie or go to a sporting event) it's reasonable if not a bargain.

[jackalope]

Earn or buy a buck.....

Make it so you have to shoot a doe anytime during the entire season if you shot a buck..

You can still shoot that monster opening day, you just have the rest of the season to shoot a doe.

If you don't harvest a doe at any time during the season but have killed a buck Then Feb 2nd you get a bill in the mail for $100.

It's fair.. It doesn't limit your opportunities at a buck and offers a choice. You have early muzzleloader, shotgun, and late muzzleloader to shoot a single doe, not to mention all of archery.. It can be easily done.

If you shoot a buck on opening day and decide not to hunt the rest of the season, so be it, Feb 2 a bill for $100 arrives.

If you shoot a buck on the last day, you had all season to shoot a doe and didn't, then Feb 2 a bill for $100 arrives

It can be easily done and automated billing via the ODNR check in and tagging system...

Someone could cheat you say. For example, a guy shoots a buck and doesn't want to shoot a doe, so he gives his tag to his buddy to get him a doe.. Oh well it still serves the purpose.. A doe was killed, and the buddy still has to kill his own doe.. Same same....

The only people I could see hating this is the out of stater the “1 week a year warrior”... So what, you have 3 options.. Shoot a doe in that week you are here, pay the bill on Feb 2nd, or stay home...

It doesn't limit any opportunities, serves the purpose, and would be easy to initiate by the odnr

[deerhunt45]

Earn or buy a buck.....

Make it so you have to shoot a doe anytime during the entire season if you shot a buck..

You can still shoot that monster opening day, you just have the rest of the season to shoot a doe.

If you don't harvest a doe at any time during the season but have killed a buck Then Feb 2nd you get a bill in the mail for $100.

It's fair.. It doesn't limit your opportunities at a buck and offers a choice. You have early muzzleloader, shotgun, and late muzzleloader to shoot a single doe, not to mention all of archery.. It can be easily done.

If you shoot a buck on opening day and decide not to hunt the rest of the season, so be it, Feb 2 a bill for $100 arrives.

If you shoot a buck on the last day, you had all season to shoot a doe and didn't, then Feb 2 a bill for $100 arrives

It can be easily done and automated billing via the ODNR check in and tagging system...

Someone could cheat you say. For example, a guy shoots a buck and doesn't want to shoot a doe, so he gives his tag to his buddy to get him a doe.. Oh well it still serves the purpose.. A doe was killed, and the buddy still has to kill his own doe.. Same same....

The only people I could see hating this is the out of stater the “1 week a year warrior”... So what, you have 3 options.. Shoot a doe in that week you are here, pay the bill on Feb 2nd, or stay home...

It doesn't limit any opportunities, serves the purpose, and would be easy to initiate by the odnr

:nono:

[jackalope]

:nono:

What the downside? If you disagree, then on what grounds? If it has to be “earn a buck”.. That system eliminates all "excuses"

Is you disagreement based on the fact that I forgot to add one thing?:cheeky-smiley-022: :)


The only people I could see hating this is the out of stater the “1 week a year warrior” (Or the guides that host them)...

[deerhunt45]

What the downside? If you disagree, then on what grounds? If it has to be “earn a buck”.. That system eliminates all
"excuses"

Is you disagreement based on the fact that I forgot to add one thing?:cheeky-smiley-022: :)

In my opinion, we don't need EAB nor AR in Ohio. The sky is not falling and our OBR is just fine.
:)

[hntwhitetail]

Earn or buy a buck.....

Make it so you have to shoot a doe anytime during the entire season if you shot a buck..

You can still shoot that monster opening day, you just have the rest of the season to shoot a doe.

If you don't harvest a doe at any time during the season but have killed a buck Then Feb 2nd you get a bill in the mail for $100.

It's fair.. It doesn't limit your opportunities at a buck and offers a choice. You have early muzzleloader, shotgun, and late muzzleloader to shoot a single doe, not to mention all of archery.. It can be easily done.

If you shoot a buck on opening day and decide not to hunt the rest of the season, so be it, Feb 2 a bill for $100 arrives.

If you shoot a buck on the last day, you had all season to shoot a doe and didn't, then Feb 2 a bill for $100 arrives

It can be easily done and automated billing via the ODNR check in and tagging system...

Someone could cheat you say. For example, a guy shoots a buck and doesn't want to shoot a doe, so he gives his tag to his buddy to get him a doe.. Oh well it still serves the purpose.. A doe was killed, and the buddy still has to kill his own doe.. Same same....

The only people I could see hating this is the out of stater the “1 week a year warrior”... So what, you have 3 options.. Shoot a doe in that week you are here, pay the bill on Feb 2nd, or stay home...

It doesn't limit any opportunities, serves the purpose, and would be easy to initiate by the odnr


Not a bad idea @ all...... also raise the NR fees too when you do this..... There would be a lot of guys just putting the $100 on top of their tag.... if you raise the NR tag up.... then add some $ on top of that.... it could work out.

[Todd C]

with the new call in checking, all you would have would be a surge in urban tags being "used" and called in as kills,,,,,15 dollars in the trash, no doe killed.

bill me for 100 bucks because I didn't shoot a doe? lmao,,,,,,,just another means of taxation,,,,,NO you wanna give the state more money, go ahead, they take enough of mine already.

Raise NR fees, you bet, at least equal to what other states charge us for the ability to hunt similar species. i.e. 400.00 in Illinois, 400.00 in ohio in reciprocal tag fees. That puts dollars in the dnr coffers.

[jackalope]

with the new call in checking, all you would have would be a surge in urban tags being "used" and called in as kills,,,,,15 dollars in the trash, no doe killed.

bill me for 100 bucks because I didn't shoot a doe? lmao,,,,,,,just another means of taxation,,,,,NO you wanna give the state more money, go ahead, they take enough of mine already.

Raise NR fees, you bet, at least equal to what other states charge us for the ability to hunt similar species. i.e. 400.00 in Illinois, 400.00 in ohio in reciprocal tag fees. That puts dollars in the dnr coffers.



This is true about the Tele-Check.. The 100 dollar doe fine wouldn't work with Tele-check.. people could just call in a doe. It wouldn't be a tax to the state. It would go to the DNR just like you said about raising the NR Fees.

[Todd C]

if they bill me, its a tax, not a choice.

[jackalope]

if they bill me, its a tax, not a choice.

Nope you had a choice you had all year regardless of when you shot your buck to shoot a single doe... You chose not to shoot a doe before or after shooting your buck, so by making the I’m not killing a doe this entire season only a buck. You chose to pay the $100 instead...

[Todd C]

ok you see it your way, and I see it mine. I still call it a tax, a shooting tax, but a tax.

has anyone got any proof that there is a necessity for an eab program, or is it just the antler lovers that drive this conversation every year?

why does anyone care if I choose to shoot a fork horn? heck that leaves the big 10 out there for someone else to pursue.

there is no biological need for an eab program that I have ever seen. for that matter, if one is only to look at the stats of deer killed, antlered vs antlerless, the kill ratio in ohio is awful darn good.

so again, this is no more an issue than the wishes of a few, what to impose more regulations on others, for absolutely no good reason. oh and while your at it, lets give the state more money to waste away.

[jackalope]

ok you see it your way, and I see it mine. I still call it a tax, a shooting tax, but a tax.

has anyone got any proof that there is a necessity for an eab program, or is it just the antler lovers that drive this conversation every year?

why does anyone care if I choose to shoot a fork horn? heck that leaves the big 10 out there for someone else to pursue.

there is no biological need for an eab program that I have ever seen. for that matter, if one is only to look at the stats of deer killed, antlered vs antlerless, the kill ratio in ohio is awful darn good.

so again, this is no more an issue than the wishes of a few, what to impose more regulations on others, for absolutely no good reason. oh and while your at it, lets give the state more money to waste away.

Nuh Uhhh. :tsk: You killed him.. You just shot the big ten 3 years too early..

[Todd C]

yep, and why should anyone else care, if I don't? Bought my tag, hunted legally, and I chose to shoot a forky. Where is the problem with that?

[Todd C]

funny how you don't address the other issues that I have raised.

[buckstar25]

Pissing matches...gotta love'em.

I disagree with the earn a buck for a number of reasons, First like was mentioned before about having to pass up a giant buck (which with my luck would happen). Second, I think our deer herd and management efforts are exactly where they need to be, there enough of us out there to shoot does, more so than the rack hunters. Are there areas that can be changed? Sure, but don't go throwing the 4 point rule out there, that is the last thing I personally would want to see.

[buckstar25]

What and where did that come from? That is the craziest thing I have ever heard. "It can easily be done", maybe in your part of the state, but what about where the numbers of deer are not 8-10 per square mile? C'mon now that is outrageous.:coco:

Jackalope, what about the guy who can't afford the 100 bucks if he doesn't shoot a doe, maybe he can only hunt a couple days a year. Now your getting into turning people away from hunting period. One of the many (to be politically correct) responsibilities I have as a deer hunter is simple (which is how I like it).......To kill deer.

[ohiosam]

with the new call in checking, all you would have would be a surge in urban tags being "used" and called in as kills,,,,,15 dollars in the trash, no doe killed.

Good point! I guess ODNR would have to increase the fines for falsifying a tagging report. Where does it end?

BTW I don't see earn a buck or antler restriction coming to Ohio anytime soon.

[Todd C]

I don't see it either, Ohiosam, I just get upset, when a small group want to place unnecessary restrictions upon other.

[buckstar25]

:yeahthat:

[wildohio22]

Earn or buy a buck.....

Make it so you have to shoot a doe anytime during the entire season if you shot a buck..

You can still shoot that monster opening day, you just have the rest of the season to shoot a doe.

If you don't harvest a doe at any time during the season but have killed a buck Then Feb 2nd you get a bill in the mail for $100.

It's fair.. It doesn't limit your opportunities at a buck and offers a choice. You have early muzzleloader, shotgun, and late muzzleloader to shoot a single doe, not to mention all of archery.. It can be easily done.

If you shoot a buck on opening day and decide not to hunt the rest of the season, so be it, Feb 2 a bill for $100 arrives.

If you shoot a buck on the last day, you had all season to shoot a doe and didn't, then Feb 2 a bill for $100 arrives

It can be easily done and automated billing via the ODNR check in and tagging system...

Someone could cheat you say. For example, a guy shoots a buck and doesn't want to shoot a doe, so he gives his tag to his buddy to get him a doe.. Oh well it still serves the purpose.. A doe was killed, and the buddy still has to kill his own doe.. Same same....

The only people I could see hating this is the out of stater the “1 week a year warrior”... So what, you have 3 options.. Shoot a doe in that week you are here, pay the bill on Feb 2nd, or stay home...

It doesn't limit any opportunities, serves the purpose, and would be easy to initiate by the odnr
:Protest_emoticon: you pay for a tag right? ok and if you dont use something you already paid for you have pay 100? thats ignorant, thats unethical, some people that live in state dont have a whole lot of time to hunt its just not out of staters. especially with the economy today people that can hunt everyday dont just have 100 bucks to shell out because they didnt use their doe tag, thats penalizing an honest hunter. our current laws are just fine. that state of ohio has plenty of bucks, and yes a butt load of does but that would just make a simple system way more complicated than it has to be. and it serves no purpose:coco:

[jackalope]

So what would you guys rather have.. An earn a buck program that requires you to shoot a doe first.....

Or a program that doesn't require you to shoot a doe but also gives you the entire year to do so if you choose......

You may not want a EAB program, That’s a moot point. We may have one eventually but if i had to choose, it would be the latter....

I was proposing a better program, addressing the concerns about "what if" a big buck walks out first.. Or "I only have a week to hunt." Problem solved..

The ERB program has been kicked around by the ODNR before. Some states already have it.. It may end up here it may not.. But as far as the ODNR is concerned we aren't shooting enough does / deer.. If we continue the DNR will be forced to find a way to make us kill more... Besides just giving us cheap tags..

Now what one would you like to see..

1.Earn a buck only.... where you have to shoot a doe befor you can buy a buck tag

2.Or earn a buck or buy a buck... Where you can shoot that doe anytime durring the season. if not it's $100 your choice...

I'll take the latter.

[wildohio22]

you show me where it says that they're concerned about us not shooting enough does. i think your just making up a scenario to see what kind responses you can get. i think you eat more pot than the deer in clermont county do!

[Todd C]

I reiterate my request to show me the biological reasoning for this. You want to limit those that only want to shoot 1 deer, to only shooting a doe. Why? The DNR isn't proposing any more liberal issuance of tags other than in URBAN zones.

The only way the urban issue is going to ever be addressed by hunters, is if the dnr, could get municipalites within the urban zones to open up to hunting.

We need to liberalize the laws, not make them more restrictive.

[ohiosam]

So what would you guys rather have.. An earn a buck program that requires you to shoot a doe first.....

Or a program that doesn't require you to shoot a doe but also gives you the entire year to do so if you choose......

You may not want a EAB program, That’s a moot point. We may have one eventually but if i had to choose, it would be the latter....

I was proposing a better program, addressing the concerns about "what if" a big buck walks out first.. Or "I only have a week to hunt." Problem solved..

The ERB program has been kicked around by the ODNR before. Some states already have it.. It may end up here it may not.. But as far as the ODNR is concerned we aren't shooting enough does / deer.. If we continue the DNR will be forced to find a way to make us kill more... Besides just giving us cheap tags..

Now what one would you like to see..

1.Earn a buck only.... where you have to shoot a doe befor you can buy a buck tag

2.Or earn a buck or buy a buck... Where you can shoot that doe anytime durring the season. if not it's $100 your choice...

I'll take the latter.

Jack, There's a third option you should have included. Give farmers a whole bunch of crop damage tags.:evilsmile::hide:

[BigGeaugaBucks]

i think the laws are strict enough as they are now they put limits on everything we can and cannot do....imposing earn a buck is nonsense for the hunters who dont get as much field time as the rest of us may...my line of work allows me to put in lots of hours in the later months of the year...but not everyone has the opportunities to be out there everyday...so my 2 cents is its definitely not a good idea to change anything at this point i dont muzzle load but would like to see that season become longer for the guys that do....

[jackalope]

you show me where it says that they're concerned about us not shooting enough does. i think your just making up a scenario to see what kind responses you can get. i think you eat more pot than the deer in clermont county do!

I reiterate my request to show me the biological reasoning for this. You want to limit those that only want to shoot 1 deer, to only shooting a doe. Why? The DNR isn't proposing any more liberal issuance of tags other than in URBAN zones.

The only way the urban issue is going to ever be addressed by hunters, is if the dnr, could get municipalites within the urban zones to open up to hunting.

We need to liberalize the laws, not make them more restrictive.

The ODNR wants us to shoot more does.. That’s obvious, and they have said it many many times.... First that’s the reason they gave us the bonus weekend of shotgun. The next year they started the antlerless tags. (and upped the limit of does) The next year (this year) they extended the antlerless tags into shotgun.. What’s next? How long are they going to keep trying "voluntary" tactics to get us to kill more deer... The ERB card is up their sleeve.. Now if they choose to use it or not is yet to be seen....

I ask you again...

what program

1. (Earn a buck)
2. (Earn a buck, Bill a Doe)

[ohiosam]

So how many more does do you really think will be killed with earn a buck? In the states that have implemented it what was the % increase in doe harvest the following year?

[Todd C]

neither

[buckstar25]

Jackalope, I would not want either program. Neither of them will do anything for the deer herd.

[jackalope]

The question I asked a second ago wasn't " if " you wanted a ERB.. It was "Which one" is more appealing if it was going to b done… Hence "Neither" wouldn't be an option..

Lets say the DNR said it was going to happen regardless if you wanted it or not. But you can choose the program

When someone said they wouldn't support an ERB because of X Y Z reasons, I proposed a solution to X Y and Z as a plan.....
The earn a buck / buy a doe proposal was in that context..

[Todd C]

not gonna bite on what if, and you still won't answer my question as to biological proof.

and in regards to the extra doe tags going thru gun season, don't you think that was a means of being fair to gun hunter? I certainly do, I don't feel I'm more entitled due to the fact I bow hunt.

The original question posted was how many here would support a eab program. I think I have seen 3, maybe for respond in a positive manner, and I again state that no, I am not in favor of. So go ahead and tally up.

[Hawgleg]

Earn or buy a buck.....

Make it so you have to shoot a doe anytime during the entire season if you shot a buck..

You can still shoot that monster opening day, you just have the rest of the season to shoot a doe.

If you don't harvest a doe at any time during the season but have killed a buck Then Feb 2nd you get a bill in the mail for $100.

It's fair.. It doesn't limit your opportunities at a buck and offers a choice. You have early muzzleloader, shotgun, and late muzzleloader to shoot a single doe, not to mention all of archery.. It can be easily done.


If you shoot a buck on opening day and decide not to hunt the rest of the season, so be it, Feb 2 a bill for $100 arrives.

If you shoot a buck on the last day, you had all season to shoot a doe and didn't, then Feb 2 a bill for $100 arrives

It can be easily done and automated billing via the ODNR check in and tagging system...

Someone could cheat you say. For example, a guy shoots a buck and doesn't want to shoot a doe, so he gives his tag to his buddy to get him a doe.. Oh well it still serves the purpose.. A doe was killed, and the buddy still has to kill his own doe.. Same same....

The only people I could see hating this is the out of stater the “1 week a year warrior”... So what, you have 3 options.. Shoot a doe in that week you are here, pay the bill on Feb 2nd, or stay home...

It doesn't limit any opportunities, serves the purpose, and would be easy to initiate by the odnr
I like this. Keeps people semi honest.

[deerhunt45]

I like this. Keeps people semi honest.

Yep, keeps the honest...well...semi honest...honest it does :whistle:

[Todd C]

LMAO thats what I was thinking, I was just biting my tongue(so to speak). is that like being a little bit pregnat=semi honest?

[bud45601]

i wouldnt mind trying it for a year to see how it worked

[coonskinner]

i can see why so many baiters would go for this but it jus ain fair to the reg. hunter who does it the hard way...also it ain fair to the 1st time hunter that gits lucky an sees a nice buck in the early season an cant shoot it...an for non baiters or leasers that could be the buck of a lifetime,possibly the only chance...game pics on hear are proof of the ops baiters have...turnin down even 150 class bucks an up...these are deer most non baiters/non leasers call a deer of a lifetime...an sooo many here with a hanful of big bucks or two hanfuls of nice bucks support this...:nono:...an wanna deny those who hunt on public an are rookie hunters that chance to git a big boy...even though its less than 130 prolly...i think the odnr recognizes this...an i hope they continue too...makin this a law will force others into easier ways to git their doe 1st...so they can have it outta the way before that big boy comes in...but then again what if its the 1st day,the first hour...a young 1st time hunter on the national forest an i perfect 10 with a wide rack steps out...what a surprise...but then dad sez,sorry johnny you gotta let it walk...thanks to those that already got a wall full big boys an want more...they have what we doant,money an a wall full of trophies that jus ain good nuff for em...:D...

[Buck I]

I don't like it. I took 4 does this year. I process my own deer and don't want to mess with does when it's warm. If I take a buck it will be a BIG one and worth the hassel. I will take my share of does but I want to do it at my convience.

[hntwhitetail]

Why don't they have it mandatory if you shoot a buck.... you must also take a doe?? If not... you will have to pay an extra fee??????? This would bring in some revenue. It would also make the out of staters have to pay extra if they drill a buck.... then just leave. The only problem is with the new telecheck system......... every hunter could just call in and say "yeah i shot a doe"