earn a buck...

[coonskinner]

i keep hearing bout this earn a buck...i'm not really clear what this means or is about...can somebuddy inform me...i think its a way to get our bucks bigger like there not big enough now...seems a lot from other states think so...
wouldnt making it illegal to use trail cams help...many wouldnt be hoverin over a spot all season with bait if they didnt catch the big boy on film at night that you just doan see much by day...an speakin of baitin maybe makin that illegal would help give bucks a yr. or two qalso insuring more big boys...earn a buck maybe should mean going oit an relying on your eyes and binoculars more than trail cams...those with cams and plots are going to have much more oppurtunitie to earn the buck by takin doe first...some like me still like to go out and earn a big boy the old fashion way...lots of scouting by foot and hunting them in a natural environment...and that means its going to take longer and youll have less chances to take your deer...doe as well as a buck...some that are for this earn a buck want their cake an eat it too it might seem... wantin to illiminate those that doan bait or use trail cams or own their own land from having a chance at a big buck that might show up the first day we hunt,might be the 1st deer that those not usin cams or bait see...now you might flame me for the bit about your cams and your baiting but remember if it applies to you ...you bring up this earn a buck by shooting a doe 1st...well then maybe earn a buck should just apply to those using the cams and bait...since it seems that most are hunting that way now...and a lot of big boys are mainly being targeted by you...yup that would insure you more big boys...odds will be in your favor youll git em...so leave us outta it an let us hunt the way we always have...it ain done no harm...not hunting the deer naturally...ohio has no threat,xcept from technology advances...now this ain intended to cut down the cams an bait but is how i feel about this earn a buck...technology is a big reason so many are fallin...:there was a big jump in sucess rates for xample,when most hunters switche from recurves to cp's...just an xample...so wherin really lays the problem ...

[bowhunter1023]

i keep hearing bout this earn a buck...i'm not really clear what this means or is about...can somebuddy inform me...i think its a way to get our bucks bigger like there not big enough now...seems a lot from other states think so...
wouldnt making it illegal to use trail cams help...many wouldnt be hoverin over a spot all season with bait if they didnt catch the big boy on film at night that you just doan see much by day...an speakin of baitin maybe makin that illegal would help give bucks a yr. or two qalso insuring more big boys...earn a buck maybe should mean going oit an relying on your eyes and binoculars more than trail cams...those with cams and plots are going to have much more oppurtunitie to earn the buck by takin doe first...some like me still like to go out and earn a big boy the old fashion way...lots of scouting by foot and hunting them in a natural environment...and that means its going to take longer and youll have less chances to take your deer...doe as well as a buck...some want their cake an eat it too...illiminate those that doan bait or use trail cams or own their own land from having a chance at a big buck that might show up the first day you hunt,might be the 1st deer you see...now you might flame me for the bit about your cams and your baiting but remember if it applies to you ...you bring up this earn a buck by shooting a doe 1st...well maybe this should just apply to those using the cams and bait...since it seems that most are hunting that way now...and a lot of big boys are mainly being targeted by you...yup that would insure you more big boys...odds will be in your favor youll git em...so leave us outta it an let us hunt the way we always have...it ain done no harm...not hunting the deer naturally...ohio has no threat,xcept from technology advances...:D

Are you kidding me George? If that wasn't a fishing expedition, I have never seen one! Out-lawing trail cameras is going to help our state grow bigger bucks? Are you for real? I cut you a ton of slack cause I know you, but come on George! You are smarter than that...

Go research Wisconsin and their Earn-A-Buck program. You got the internet. Use it for more than a fishing trip...

[coonskinner]

Are you kidding me George? If that wasn't a fishing expedition, I have never seen one! Out-lawing trail cameras is going to help our state grow bigger bucks? Are you for real? I cut you a ton of slack cause I know you, but come on George! You are smarter than that...

Go research Wisconsin and their Earn-A-Buck program. You got the internet. Use it for more than a fishing trip...

that was not my intent an i believe you know it...reread...my intent is to show if thiose really serious bout havin bigger bucks an more would see that if they use these tactics that that just might be the problem...i am not speakin bout illiminating anythang...i am just saying it wont work...because most of the big boys are being kilt using these methods...its very clear on these site...why woan earn a buck work,cause its much easier to kill the doe(s) too with technology ...an i doan have anythang against that...or do i want it outlawed...
my concern is this earn a buck ONLY penalizes those that doan get as many ops. at doe...so they can shoot a big boy...an i do hate to say i think we're a minority today...some choose to do it the hard way,thats our fault i guess...but doan tie our hands...thats all i'm sayin...:D

[bowhunter1023]

George, I have run trail cameras for five years. I have four in the woods right now. I can speak for the vast majority of those of us on OS that are trail cam nuts, they do not help you kill big deer. I am the proof in the pudding! I can't kill a cold, let alone one of the 13 mature bucks I have got on camera over the years. (Ok, I did kill one. But the picture is not what helped. It was the massive amount of sign I found while trailing a deer on opening weekend. The picture came Oct. 28 and was 200 yards away from where I shot him.)

I bait. I don't hunt over it. I use it for pictures. I got video of big bucks. And all those pictures and video come from the one spot that I do not have to ask persmission to hunt. I'm not spending the time there because of those pictures, I'm doing it because that is what I have. This is all personal opinion and experience here, but I am defending the practices that I employ that you feel make it easier for me to kill big bucks. If that is the truth, I should have a wall full of trophies and I don't. Could be because I post on OS while I'm in a tree. Could be I'm a horrible hunter. Could be that I am still learning and I'm getting my ass handed to me in the process. Could be alot of things...

I don't support Earn-A-Buck because the ODNR has proved you don't need it to grow big deer. It will never get passed here because of that. Trail cameras, baiting, videoing, etc. has not bearing on a state's overall production of big bucks because it has little to do with controling the overall deer harvest. Earn-A-Buck has drastic consequences on the overall harvest. Me not running my BEC's does not. See what I am getting at?

[coonskinner]

ok again i'm not wanting any debate over the cam/bait...it was just an xample an its from what i have seen an heard here on these sites over a lot of years...
i guess i feel that theres a lot that want this earn a buck but have no problem with adding more an more technology every year it seems that helps them achieve their goals...:D

[bowhunter1023]

I think you're paranoid George. I have never got the feeling on here, or any of the Ohio sites I visit, that Ohio hunters want an Earn-A-Buck program. Additional technology in terms of new gadgets, may have an impact on the effiecency of the hunters that use them. But they do not drastically impact the overall harvest. Things like an Earn-A-Buck program, the avalibility of tags, cost of tags and liscenses, lotteries, etc. have that kind of impact. It is like comparing apples to oranges...

[coonskinner]

I think you're paranoid George. I have never got the feeling on here, or any of the Ohio sites I visit, that Ohio hunters want an Earn-A-Buck program. Additional technology in terms of new gadgets, may have an impact on the effiecency of the hunters that use them. But they do not drastically impact the overall harvest. Things like an Earn-A-Buck program, the avalibility of tags, cost of tags and liscenses, lotteries, etc. have that kind of impact. It is like comparing apples to oranges...

i just read bout it in another thread...and it does pop up now and then...i just think its not right for some to have all they can to git their deer...and want to take so little from another person...i git sick and tired hearing it...well you know like when somebuddy sez something bout trail cams...:biggrin:

[bowhunter1023]

i just read bout it in another thread...and it does pop up now and then...i just think its not right for some to have all they can to git their deer...and want to take so little from another person...i git sick and tired hearing it...well you know like when somebuddy sez something bout trail cams...:biggrin:

Yep. I know. Unfounded generalizations...

I agree with you that I do not buy the Earn-A-Buck program for installation state wide. In fact, I think only select counties in Wisconsin do it. Buffalo County for one, which has serveral outfitters, particiaptes in the EAB program. I know how hard it is for some to kill one deer a year, let alone multiple. It may have nothing to do with skill for some, but everything to do with oppurtunity.

The ODNR is doing a great job and I see no need for major revamps in their system. I bet they don't either. Now the Farm Bureau on the other hand :whistle:

[stoneking]

hey 1023 have you gotten any big foots on your trail cams yet

[bowhunter1023]

hey 1023 have you gotten any big foots on your trail cams yet

No. But there is an ugly SOB that shows up in front of one every week and I can't figure out why someone would let him out in public like that!

[stoneking]

:mischeif:

[bowtech_buster]

i know someone who would disagree with the statement that trail cams dont help you kill big deer...but i'll leave it at that:D

[bluedog]

I thought earn a buck programs were more about getting more does shot, not bigger bucks?

I go back and forth about doing this on my farm. I have 2 guys that have been hunting my farm since before I bought the place in 1996. They are nice guys and respectful hunters and I have enjoyed giving them the opportunity to have a place to hunt. But they are big buck hunters. They won't shoot does because they don't use the meat that much. But gosh darn it, this is a working farm and I could use a little doe population control. I also don't want to give permission to 12 different people to get the job done. I have a few other people who hunt here too, but do it sporadically and they are primarily after bucks too. I'd love to tell them all that they can hunt here if they take a doe first. See what I'm getting at? Sometimes all people want to do is shoot a buck and they seem to forget that some does need thinned out too. That's where I see the value of earn a buck programs. (Not that I want Ohio to adopt a program. I actually think the ODOW does a good job managing the deer herd.) On the flip side, I would not want to restrict anybody from shooting a big mature buck just because they hadn't shot a doe yet. So that's why I haven't said anything to any of my hunters (yet).

[bmiller]

You guys keep braggin up the ODNR about how great a job their doin and they will change it.Look at some of the draw hunts that are goin on.Lake Katherine area has some really big bucks on it but you have to kill your doe first.I talked to a guy last year that hunted it and he said he saw close to 20 deer and everyone of them had horns.He went home empty handed because he saw nary a doe one.I thought the purpose of the hunts were to reduce the number of deer in a particular are,not just the slick heads.I say the Earn a Buck will increase the population ten fold :tsk:

[coonskinner]

You guys keep braggin up the ODNR about how great a job their doin and they will change it.Look at some of the draw hunts that are goin on.Lake Katherine area has some really big bucks on it but you have to kill your doe first.I talked to a guy last year that hunted it and he said he saw close to 20 deer and everyone of them had horns.He went home empty handed because he saw nary a doe one.I thought the purpose of the hunts were to reduce the number of deer in a particular are,not just the slick heads.I say the Earn a Buck will increase the population ten fold :tsk:

takin slickheads is the best way to lower the pop...and if it werent for the reason of lowerin the pop. hunters wouldnt be huntin here...this has nothin to do with earn a buck...the odnr got it right an the parks people want the pop. lowered:biggrin:

[coonskinner]

I thought earn a buck programs were more about getting more does shot, not bigger bucks?

I go back and forth about doing this on my farm. I have 2 guys that have been hunting my farm since before I bought the place in 1996. They are nice guys and respectful hunters and I have enjoyed giving them the opportunity to have a place to hunt. But they are big buck hunters. They won't shoot does because they don't use the meat that much. But gosh darn it, this is a working farm and I could use a little doe population control. I also don't want to give permission to 12 different people to get the job done. I have a few other people who hunt here too, but do it sporadically and they are primarily after bucks too. I'd love to tell them all that they can hunt here if they take a doe first. See what I'm getting at? Sometimes all people want to do is shoot a buck and they seem to forget that some does need thinned out too. That's where I see the value of earn a buck programs. (Not that I want Ohio to adopt a program. I actually think the ODOW does a good job managing the deer herd.) On the flip side, I would not want to restrict anybody from shooting a big mature buck just because they hadn't shot a doe yet. So that's why I haven't said anything to any of my hunters (yet).

its mainly to grow bigger bucks and more of them...from what i've read on here anyway...:biggrin:

[Big H]

:banghead3:

If you search last year's posts, or the year before, this subject was hashed over and over already.

Bluedog, if you are the landowner, and you want does shot, then you need to make it a requirement to hunt on your property. If the guys that are hunting it won't comply, then get someone else. They can always donate the meat to a needy family or harvest for hungry. If I was them, I would have a doe done up in summer sausage and smokies, and give it to you for the privilidge of hunting on your place.