No scent control

[NKFD13]

After reading that interesting thread by Oldhat and all the posts that followed,I have to ask a question that I ahve wondered about for some time. How many of you OTHER than Oldhat :D do NOT use some type of scent control and have some measure of success?
I think it is important but I am also a big beleiver in hunting the wind formost, I don't think you can ignore the wind just because yo believe you are "scent free" ;)

[Buckmaster]

I go scent free and play the wind.

[stoneking]

i'v used nothing but crushed up apples befor i rubed them all over my clothing and had great luck. it really brings the deer in.

[bowhunter1023]

I never used to and I did not watch the wind. I was busted more times than I care. Then I started watching the wind, but did not do the "scent-free" thing. Things got better. I went through my "scent-free" stage after that and played the wind even more. Now I smoke up and play the wind with religion. No matter what you choose to do, having the wind in your face and the deer in front of you is a smart way to roll...

[wallydog1]

I use Scent free soap on me and my clothes,that is it.Play the wind and you will be ok most of the time,saying that I have 1 spot that I know the deer will cross my wind coming out of a swamp if they get by me.So far 2 decent Bucks have not made it by.sometimes taking a chance with the wind can pay off ,It all has to do with the terrain and the travel patterns.

[Kaiser878]

I am a firm believer in scent control. I know this is kind of off your topic but I will add my 2 cents. Ignore if you dont care about my beliefs. I wear scent lock from head to toe, rubber boots and wash my clothes in scent free jazz, spray down in Carbon blast religiously and store my hunting clothes in a scent free tote. I keep my tote scent free by having a layer of loose activated carbon in the bottom and a piece of panty hose filled with activated carbon on top all my clothes once they are in there. I also bathe before I go out. I do not play the wind, I jsut hunt. Last year I got winded one time and thsi year I have not been winded yet. I constantly have deer down wind of me, and I seem to always go undetected.

I must admit I am quite anal about my hunting clothes and set ups. My father just started hunting the farm I hunt. He is one of those non believers and thinks that deer cant smell him and it doesnt matter. I couldnt disagree more. As I have witnessed himbeing winded a multitude of times. Since he didnt want any part of it and I didnt want my good hunting location D!cked up I went out and bought him scent lock everything. I go as far as to prepare his clothes and make sure he has all that is needed. I know if I dont do it he wont either, thus my spot will go down the drain. Face it, this isnt fishing, my last name isnt vandamn, going all natural isnt an option!

[stoneking]

my ? is what do you all think the indians used. they went all natural

[Kaiser878]

They also chased buffalos on horses to kill them. Where do you think modern day deer drives came from?? 2 indians at end of hollow, 16 at other end, then they would push! Not to mention they didnt bath in strawberry kiwi delight. Nor did they use herbal essences in their hair. Lard was the soap of choice if there was soap used. Indians smelled of the land, not of bath and body works!!!:nono: Hygiene has improved slightly over the last several hundred years!

[stoneking]

hahahahaha you know what i think. i think maybe the indians invented the smoker. better let bowhunter know who really invented the smoker.:bouncy:

[bowhunter1023]

my ? is what do you all think the indians used. they went all natural

Umm... There are well documented examples of Indians using a campfire prior to a big hunt. Their natural and ours are vastly different...

[stoneking]

thats what i'm saying 1203 the indians are the real inventers of the smoker.

[bowhunter1023]

thats what i'm saying 1203 the indians are the real inventers of the smoker.

I had no idea they had such refined metallurgy skills...

I get what you are saying. They were the first to pioneer the use of smoke for the purposes of chasing dinner. I wonder if the caveman used it to fool T-Rex?

[stoneking]

Hahahaha I'm Just Being A Smart Azz 1023;)

[deerhunter_matt]

NOt playing the wind, and not using scent control, you might get lucky. Just playing the wind is smart, but deer can still wind you and let all the deer in the surrounding 8 conties know your there. PLaying the widn ans using a scent control regimen will just stack the odds further in your favor. Just my $.02

[oobuck]

I just keep my clothes as clean as possible, washing outer garmets every few hunts(unless I funk-em-up sooner). I will play the wind for the most part. I killed the biggest buck of my life last year when the wind was wrong. I dont belive a hunter can ever be totally scent free. I think just being out in a tree rather than sitting on the couch increases your chances 100% of tagging a deer. If a hunter is comfortable and confident with the way they hunt, who-cares what anyone else thinks. Just hunt and have a good time.

[bakerboy]

I'm with Oldhat. Don't use it, don't need it, and think a lot of people are wasting a lot of money. I pay close attention to the wind and choose a stand site accordingly. However, one cannot predict where a deer will come from. When they get downwind of you ...............they win, come back tomorrow. That is why it's called hunting, not killing. BTW, the same goes for attractant scents, waste of money.

[CritterGitter]

Indians sat around campfires every night to. :whistle:

[stoneking]

so if i build a camp fire by my stand then the deer will never smell me :mischeif:

[OLDHAT]

For the record my scent-control consists of the following:

I wash my clothes in "water" with no soap/detergent. I am somewhat conscious of my boots...as in I try not to wear them to a gas station, that's it. Now if I do wear them to a gas station then I will rub them in dirt and cow poop once I get back to one of the farms I hunt before or while going to the stand. I have never used any spray and have never purchased any "scent-lok" stuff for the purpose of buying scent-lok stuff. I have purchased it because the feel of the material, be it a shirt or jacket was what I was looking for as far as thermal qualities and comfort were concerned.
When at camp when I get crap on my hands from eating or whatever I do use scent free soap to wash them with.

If I were going to try and attempt to go "scent-free" my 1st purchase would be a pair of rubber boots.


That's my scent control...Oh wait, I try not to pee from the stand and I try to use the wind as much as possible.

If I were to ever kill a truely massive buck I'd have to run to Wally world and get some products to say I was using in the interview because no one would want to sponsor me....maybe little Debbie Snack Cakes, Coke, or Enon Springs water could pick me up but that would be it. Hell, I'd even call Brock if the price was right and have him come over and smoke me up if I thought either one of us could make a buck or two...happens all the time!

Oldhat

[benehunter]

I believe in scent free and playing the wind, however I have a hunting spot in the city where the only set up possible is downwind and deer are used to the scents of people and pets. I do not worry at all and I have had good success so far. I passed on a small 6 today at 20 yards directly downwind and never knew I was there. So far no deer have spooked from this set up. ;) It consists of a groundblind 20 yards from a dry creek bottleneck between two patches of woods wit good thickets all around. No shower after work, no smoke, no scent lock or camo needed.

[larrywilson411]

16 foot up never hurts

[Buckmaster]

:shhh: Since Oldhat's revealing his darkest secrets here are mine.

I use Ivory non scent soap only for body and hair.
I use Avon non scented deorderant.
I wash my clothing in baking soda and store them in plastic tubs with Dirt Wafer scents sold at Walmart.
Most of my 32 degree clothing and above has been purchased at Walmart on clearance post deer season. $ 5 cotton pants and $3 cotton shirts. I believe cotton absorbs my dirt scent the best. My wife says it best, "you smell like dirt".
I pee from the tree stand and will take a dump, if needed within 100 yards of my stand.
In the early season, I've even been known to take a coffee or a beer into my treestand. :coolgleamA:
I attempt to play the wind if at all possible.
I can locate and kill a deer in a mud puddle if needed. :shhh:
There you have it. Now where do I sign the dotted line?

[brock ratcliff]

For the record my scent-control consists of the following:

I wash my clothes in "water" with no soap/detergent. I am somewhat conscious of my boots...as in I try not to wear them to a gas station, that's it. Now if I do wear them to a gas station then I will rub them in dirt and cow poop once I get back to one of the farms I hunt before or while going to the stand. I have never used any spray and have never purchased any "scent-lok" stuff for the purpose of buying scent-lok stuff. I have purchased it because the feel of the material, be it a shirt or jacket was what I was looking for as far as thermal qualities and comfort were concerned.
When at camp when I get crap on my hands from eating or whatever I do use scent free soap to wash them with.

If I were going to try and attempt to go "scent-free" my 1st purchase would be a pair of rubber boots.


That's my scent control...Oh wait, I try not to pee from the stand and I try to use the wind as much as possible.

If I were to ever kill a truely massive buck I'd have to run to Wally world and get some products to say I was using in the interview because no one would want to sponsor me....maybe little Debbie Snack Cakes, Coke, or Enon Springs water could pick me up but that would be it. Hell, I'd even call Brock if the price was right and have him come over and smoke me up if I thought either one of us could make a buck or two...happens all the time!

Oldhat

That may be the case in the "industry". People are paid for endorsing products they do not even use, or in many cases, may have used but not benefited from. However, that is not the case with these folks mentioning the Scent Smoker. We do not have the MONEY to pay for endorsements. The guys you are berating as fools, gadget freaks,....or whatever BS you wish to label them, are people that spent their hard-earned money on a Scent Smoker. They see how well it works, make mention of it, and you raise heck about it.......like a cry baby. You continually throw pointless sarcasm their way. For what purpose? Do you simply enjoy being "that guy"? Does your wife have you so beat into submission you are not allowed to demonstrate your prickish nature at home?

Incidentally, over the last couple of years I have become acquainted with several people that make their living endorsing outdoor products. Each and every one of them have a quality that you, Old Hat, do not. They are personable, likable people that also have some hunting or shooting skills. Those are the type of people that manufactures wish to employ to promote their products. So you can save your dime if you ever kill a "truly massive buck". Although you may wind up with the deer, you will always lack the true credentials.

[deerhunt45]

Speaking of scent control, I just bought a new pair of "rubber" Itaska (sp?) "scent free" 800 gr. thinsulate, ankle fit from Dunhams. Suggested retail was $89.99, I'd seen them for $69.99...Dunhams sold them for $49.99. Has the adjustable calf, fit nice and comfortable and not too heavy to hike in. I think I got a deal, we'll see how they hold up.

The "scent free" is the sales pitch. Will these boots stay scent free? Never...and certainly not even close unless I conciously attempt to keep them that way. I don't wear them anywhere except in the woods and occasionally will wipe them down with a baking soda solution. Better yet, keep a box of Arm & Hammer with you (it's cheap) and a bucket of water (leave your bucket set out at your "parking" site to collect rain water, it's free) add the baking soda and step or swish each boot in it before heading out to your hunt.

The play the wind strategy (always good), the "scent free" approach, the smoke em up approach, the smell like dirt approach...it's all good. I don't have an argument with any of them. It's all part of trying to fool a whitetail's nose if only for a few minutes or a few critical seconds even. Do whatever works for you, what you want to buy and try and can afford, hunt what you want to hunt and go ahead and realize your own success in the field. That is what's so great about our country, you have choices!

[Buckmaster]

So, to reitterate, if Oldhat sticks a 250" he'll never have a Scentsmoker expedited to to him via Fed Ex Overnight and placed in the same photo as him and his trophy? Oldhat, you may want to consider a Copenhagen sponsor.

[brock ratcliff]

So, to reitterate, if Oldhat sticks a 250" he'll never have a Scentsmoker expedited to to him via Fed Ex Overnight and placed in the same photo as him and his trophy? Oldhat, you may want to consider a Copenhagen sponsor.

No

[Buckmaster]

Um, I would reconsider. One $40 toss to Oldhat would reap you thousands in returns. It makes good business sense all things considered.

[OLDHAT]

Brock:

It's good to see that I am getting under your skin also. Now how about you go start a thread verses invading this one before I really make your little world turn upside down here on this site?

And you are here saying that none of them are affiliated with scent-smoker in any way? What if I busted your bubble in front of everyone? So let's hear it Brock, be careful of your words and choices because a lot of folks may lose all respect for you being a "stand-up business man". I'm asking you in front of everyone about any affiliations with any of the guys here on this site that promote the scent-smoker...so you say there are none?

Oldhat

[HeartLunger]

OldHat,

I wouldn't recommend questioning Brock's character. I know him personally, he is a good man.

[rhino2726]

The way I see it is like this. You want to get every advantage that you can when entering the deer woods. Does scentblocker or scent lok clothes, soaps, sprays, etc. work miracles, no but does maybe buy you some time if a deer becomes down wind before your winded. If you have the money to spend on the clothes and other scent free devices, I say get every advantage you can. But never the less you still have to always play the wind

[mrex]

For the record my scent-control consists of the following:

I wash my clothes in "water" with no soap/detergent. I am somewhat conscious of my boots...as in I try not to wear them to a gas station, that's it. Now if I do wear them to a gas station then I will rub them in dirt and cow poop once I get back to one of the farms I hunt before or while going to the stand. I have never used any spray and have never purchased any "scent-lok" stuff for the purpose of buying scent-lok stuff. I have purchased it because the feel of the material, be it a shirt or jacket was what I was looking for as far as thermal qualities and comfort were concerned.
When at camp when I get crap on my hands from eating or whatever I do use scent free soap to wash them with.

If I were going to try and attempt to go "scent-free" my 1st purchase would be a pair of rubber boots.


That's my scent control...Oh wait, I try not to pee from the stand and I try to use the wind as much as possible.

If I were to ever kill a truely massive buck I'd have to run to Wally world and get some products to say I was using in the interview because no one would want to sponsor me....maybe little Debbie Snack Cakes, Coke, or Enon Springs water could pick me up but that would be it. Hell, I'd even call Brock if the price was right and have him come over and smoke me up if I thought either one of us could make a buck or two...happens all the time!

Oldhat

If you’ve got this much time on your hands, when can I expect that piece for NAW?

Every single hunter I personally know who consistently kills mature bucks, (including our buddy Mike Dickess), takes some sort of precautions to reduce offensive odors. It just makes sense.


The smoke screen!

Assuming it works as advertised, is it a crutch to hide inadequacies or a tool that makes us more effective? Kind of like the “great crossbow debate”, an argument can be made either way.

Saxton Pope and Art Young would probably take issue with many of the accepted practices of today’s bowhunter (compounds, carbon arrows etc…). Ishi’s got to be rolling in his grave. But for some strange reason, I believe he wouldn’t have a problem with the smoker.

I’ve spent a grand total of 3 hours in a stand this season. I checked the wind 5 times, and each time, the floater drifted in a different direction, hence the term “winds light and variable”. For the sake of this argument, let’s assume that I know as much about stand placement as you do and I was sitting in a pretty good spot for the conditions that day. Let’s also assume that the smoker does help neutralize a deer’s nose. What would be a good argument for not using it?

[coonskinner]

thats what i'm saying 1203 the indians are the real inventers of the smoker.
tjhen coonie!!!heh heh:mischeif:

maybe we should breed deer that cant see cant hear an cant smell...

[OLDHAT]

I'm working on it Rex, good info takes a bit of time...and how about that Decoy?

1st things 1st then I'll get to the argument:

You mentioned Dickess, how about talking to him and get the scoop on that230+" non-typical deer that was taken in one of my old hunting spots. I hear he scored it. I am probably pretty sure that you already know about it, so if you do shed some light on it for us.

OK now onto the arguement:

I assume that wind shifts, I will likewise assume that "smoke" just may help. Now I will not assume that it is the sole reason a guy kills a deer. Outlandish claims are typically pretty outlandish.

Now regarding me and my scent control:

I have access into nearly everyone of my stands from every direction. I think the truely critical spot to worry about scent is on your path on the way in and near your stand. I always try to approach the stand and walk into the stand at a point where if a "shooter" should happen by that he will not hit my scent trail until he is already into and past 10-20 yards of areas where I could arrow him.

Now let's suppose that the smoke maker could still help. Do you think I'd ever use it due to outlandish claims or on claims of "Hey I think this just might help a little" claims. It's not the smoke that is a problem with me, it's the marketing message that is being used.

And as mentioned earlier if you came on here with a doe kill and said it was due to the scent smoker then I'd laugh at you also! I feel you have been hunting far to long to view a single product as an end-all to getting winded, and I am sure that you have hunted over your career and had deer down-wind on a lot of occasions with little or no ramnifications. And my argument on the wind is that if the wind was swirling in your immediate area, then who is to say it wasn't in a different area 30 yards out where the deer was? My devils advocate arguement on this is that a deer would simply run around in circles if the wind was doing that. So let's just assume 4 wind directions and wind swirling around. Now you have a 25% chance of getting busted. Let's just assume that you used "smoke" that day. Now is this a reason to credit it all to smoke? Nah, we all have blinders that go up from time to time. Now with this, the "pimping" to me of this product has a lot more ramnifications verses the product itself. Now if Brock would man up and give Steve some sponorship money then hell, let them run free on here. But as far as I know he does not. I look at smoke the same way I look at diet pills and their message. The before and after pics are from dedicated individuals and probably by-pass surgery..could they help a little...yes I am sure a hit of speed can help most lose a few pounds...just like smoke, bacon grease, apple sauce, hydraulic fluid, exahaust from a tail pipe could help "mask" scent to some extent and confuse an animal.

So let's asusme I hunt a farm where human intrusion is pretty frequent. Kind of like a park. Do you think that deer likewise become accustomed to this? I do.

I would say that when I do get busted on a stand it is more so due to a doe verses a buck. Hell, that lil 90" 8pt I mentioned I seen had me dead to right, sure he could have already been shot if I wanted before he ever hit my scent trail..and he hit it. He looked up at me in the tree from 10 yards at least 15 times. He never head bob'd and only really"stomped" his front foot a single time. It took him a little while,maybe 30 minutes to get settled down, but he circled me in a 15 yard area, sniffed around all over, kept looking at me up in that tree and never once blew. He finally eased back and went to feeding...similar to the "smoke" stories you hear on here.

So to me at the current pace with the "smoke" crowd, this would be : This would have never happened without smoke" if it happened to them. To me, I see it often....that is my argument those types of actions and reactions of deer are not that un-common in the hunting world no matter what you smell like...smoke or no smoke. I've seen it happen too many times to endorce a product claiming it fame to these types of occurances.

And regarding scent: I've really given up on scent-control I instead have around 29 stands on 600 acres to offset this. If it's "swirly winds" then I pray for the best. And to note: My best buck ever came in dead down wind, actually walked on the same trail I did.....I thought for sure I was "had"..he's on my wall right now!..freak of nature maybe, being in the right place at the right time more than likely, being attributed to any form of scent control...no!

I tell you what Rex, you invite me over for a hunt or two, we'll hunt together, I'll smoke up and we'll go after dead-down wind animals. I won't shoot one of your bucks, we'll just do a 3 day trial run and maybe I'll take a doe or two if you need them managed (I'd rather take them from your property as it loks like mine won't need mcuh management this year..and you know I like to keep them around), then as 2 engineers we should carry some form of proof in "smoke". If it works, hell I'll even fess up and let all know that I was wrong...I'll be open minded.

Check on that deer for us. I know you and Dickess are buds and all, so get him outta bed tonight...well on second thought don't, his wife taught me Algebra in school and she can be pretty mean frome time to time...it's in every Algebra teachers blood.....especially if you wake her up on a school night...I advise you to wait until tomorrow. Hearsay it is a telegraph ridge buck (Just south of Blackfork on rt 93..Blackfork is just below OakHill...Oakhill is just below Jackson on rt 93.)..enquiring minds want to know and you seem to be "in the know" when it comes to this stuff.

May I ask why you still check the wind when you are using smoke?



Oldhat

[mrex]

You mentioned Dickess, how about talking to him and get the scoop on that230+" non-typical deer that was taken in one of my old hunting spots. I hear he scored it. I am probably pretty sure that you already know about it, so if you do shed some light on it for us.

The Randy Delawder Buck. 24 scorable points. Dickess didn't draw any lines and he emphasized there would be several judgment calls but the buck should easily net over 200" nontyp.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p90/PupFan1/dickess.jpg


I think the truly critical spot to worry about scent is on your path on the way in and near your stand. I always try to approach the stand and walk into the stand at a point where if a "shooter" should happen by that he will not hit my scent trail until he is already into and past 10-20 yards of areas where I could arrow him.

Me too.

It's not the smoke that is a problem with me, it's the marketing message that is being used.

I'm not affiliated with Brock's company. I tried the smoker last year for the first time and felt it was more effective and convenient than my previous strategy (which was working OK).

I feel you have been hunting far to long to view a single product as an end-all to getting winded, and I am sure that you have hunted over your career and had deer down-wind on a lot of occasions with little or no ramifications.

If you're breathing, you're giving off human scent. Nothing is fool proof, but I believe, based on personal observation, that there's benefit to "smoking up" before the hunt.

And my argument on the wind is that if the wind was swirling in your immediate area, then who is to say it wasn't in a different area 30 yards out where the deer was?

Good point, however, my experience had been that if a mature deer, buck or doe was within 50 yards of me for any length of time, I was in trouble. This doesn't seem to be the case any more.


So let's assume I hunt a farm where human intrusion is pretty frequent. Kind of like a park. Do you think that deer likewise become accustomed to this?

Absolutely.


So to me at the current pace with the "smoke" crowd, this would be : This would have never happened without smoke" if it happened to them.

Not from me. Scent control is just one piece of a very large puzzle.


I tell you what Rex, you invite me over for a hunt

Let me get a few of these kids tagged out and your more than welcome to come over here and hunt. I've got a feeling this may be a loooong season for this bobcat.



May I ask why you still check the wind when you are using smoke?

Some habits are hard to break.;)

[MagnumMudMan]

Brock:

It's good to see that I am getting under your skin also. Now how about you go start a thread verses invading this one before I really make your little world turn upside down here on this site?



What are you going to do, send him a big pile of junkmail? :rolleyes:



And you are here saying that none of them are affiliated with scent-smoker in any way? What if I busted your bubble in front of everyone? So let's hear it Brock, be careful of your words and choices because a lot of folks may lose all respect for you being a "stand-up business man". I'm asking you in front of everyone about any affiliations with any of the guys here on this site that promote the scent-smoker...so you say there are none?

Oldhat

Brock gave me a beer once, does that count? Nobody on this board benefits from the scent smoker except Brock. It's his company. No pro staff. No endorsements. I talk it up because I think it works. If you don't like it, that's your opinion. But running everyone down just shows how much of a tool you really are.

Truthfully, your nothing but an @ssclown that thinks he knows everything. You've ruined more threads with being a jack@ss than anyone on this board. Why don't you get back to licking stamps and patting yourself on the back. You seem to be good at that. :rant:

[Hiller]

Brock:

It's good to see that I am getting under your skin also. Now how about you go start a thread verses invading this one before I really make your little world turn upside down here on this site?

And you are here saying that none of them are affiliated with scent-smoker in any way? What if I busted your bubble in front of everyone? So let's hear it Brock, be careful of your words and choices because a lot of folks may lose all respect for you being a "stand-up business man". I'm asking you in front of everyone about any affiliations with any of the guys here on this site that promote the scent-smoker...so you say there are none?

Oldhat

SO please tell me how I'm affiliated with the Scent Smoker then??? I met Brock at one OBA shoot and the OBBC banquet... I've read numerous reviews and talked with people who used it... I decided to buy one... that's right buy one!!! I'm not on any pro staff... so go ahead and try to turn Brocks world upside down...

I will say this though, I have hunted with very clean before, and I have hunted without taking a shower as soon as I've gotten off of work... seen deer both times... I use to not even care about being scent free, then about 4 years ago I became anal about it... things got a little better, but I would occaisionally get winded... I smoked my clothes this year and have yet to be winded by a single deer... that is after spending 46 hours in a treestand so far...

So take it for what it's worth...

Oh and please quit refering to yourself as an engineer....:coco: :coco: your the farthest thing from an engineer that I know of...

[Azzy]

"It's not the smoke that is a problem with me, it's the marketing message that is being used."

What's this marketing message that you speak of?

Is it that the guys who use it have success? That message? That really bugs you, doesn't it?

You're a tool.

[Azzy]

Oh BTW.....I am affiliated with the Scent Smoker. I'm a customer.

[Buckmaster]

Hiller,
Were'nt you first in line at Walmart last year buying the "ButtOut"?
So how is that tool? :whistle:

[Hiller]

Your just wanting to stir the pot, huh... OLDHat if you wanted to know you could have just asked, you didn't have to have Buttmaster do it for you....

Well anyways the only reaosn I bought one is because I about lost it in the store when I first saw it... I called my buddy and he didn't believe me that someone would even make something like that... so I bought it just to show him.... we always have a good laugh about that thing..

It's still in the pack in a box somewhere from when we moved... I use to always get it out to show people... I think the thing is the most ridiculous little "invention" I have ever seen....

[Buckmaster]

For some reason I had envisioned you made a trinket out of it and wore it as a necklace. I don't know where I got that one from. :nono:

[Hiller]

For some reason I had envisioned you made a trinket out of it and wore it as a necklace. I don't know where I got that one from. :nono:


Oldhat and TIP maybe.....????

[SouthernOhio#9]

Hey mrex or OLDHAT, is the Randy Delawder buck the buck that was taken in Lawrence county (I wont name specific locations) that i have been hearing all of the hoopla about? Because from what i have heard, it was taken close to one of my favorite spots. Which is public land. Was it a public buck or private?

[MagnumMudMan]

Hiller,
Were'nt you first in line at Walmart last year buying the "ButtOut"?
So how is that tool? :whistle:

I've got one and I have used it. It actually works. You stick it in the deer's rear end and pull out an Oldhat. Fortunately, I wiped the Oldhat off and left it with the gut pile. :yikes:

[SouthernOhio#9]

Hey mrex or OLDHAT, is the Randy Delawder buck the buck that was taken in Lawrence county (I wont name specific locations) that i have been hearing all of the hoopla about? Because from what i have heard, it was taken close to one of my favorite spots. Which is public land. Was it a public buck or private?

Nevermind guys i guess i didn't read the text very carefully!!!!!!
I found it in one of OLDHATS post. It was definately taken near one of my spots that i hunt. Its amazing a deer like that could survive gun season out there!!!!! Its like a parade of orange in the woods on opening day of gun season. You cant go 200 yards without seeing someone else in the woods.

[deerhunter_matt]

Oldhat, can you name one person who said the scent smoker was the only reason they killed a deer? You keep saying that, but I don't see anywhere someone talking about how the oly reason they killed a deer was because of the smoker and only the smoker. Is the only reason you killed deer before because of your busted up Martin, or because of a combination of things? Oh, and I want evidence. Don't whine to me about how us whipper snappers trust our gadgets more than anything. Tell me who said they can't shoot a deer without a smoker. Seriously man, *** is your problem?

[NKFD13]

OK THATS IT!!!!!! EVERYONE MEET AT THE PLAYGROUND AFTER SCHOOL AND SETTLE THIS!!!!!!!! :bash: I mean thats what this sounds like, if oldhat doesn't believe in useing all that stuff than that his problem, I just find it funny that you guys let him get under your skin so easily, I started this thread to get opinions and info not to listen to everyone stomp there feet and act like teenagers. :banghead3:

[hoot gibson]

scent smoker didnt help me kill a deer , but as good looking as i am , it helps keep the whores off me so i can hunt . hoot

[Hiller]

OK THATS IT!!!!!! EVERYONE MEET AT THE PLAYGROUND AFTER SCHOOL AND SETTLE THIS!!!!!!!! banghead3:

Trust me, I'm sure there are some here that would love nothing more than to do that... Oldshat has a real **** on for people who don't do things the way his experienced old (37) mind does... And he never lets it rest... thats why your getting the responses you are...

I've alreaday spoken my bit on scent control... but here it is again...

In 1997 I started bowhunting... no scent control whatsoever, heck I didn't have enough money to buy full camo...

Got winded frequently, which can partly be attributed to rookie mistakes...


About 4-5 ?? years ago I really started taking scent control serious, my success rate really jumped... began killing deer on a very regular basis... still would get picked of and winded here and there...

This year, started using the smoker, I have now hunted 46 total hours this season so far... alot less than last year so far... but 46 hours nonetheless...

I can honestly say I have not been winded once, and I have been in multiple situations where I would have expected to atleast get a reaction from the deer...

I killed a doe last weekend, she passed dead downwind of me, although she did stop and sniff the air for some time, she payed it no attention and continued on her path towards me... Was that a result of the scent smoker... I don't know, you be the judge...

I'm sure oldshat will throw out a million other possibilities, so instead of wasting my time typing that I'll let him do that instead...

[Hiller]

scent smoker didnt help me kill a deer , but as good looking as i am , it helps keep the whores off me so i can hunt . hoot

I think your robin hood hat does that...

Did you hear the ODNR is going to allow rifles during bow season??? 30-06's to be exact... dang glad the OBA killed that amendment...;) ;)

[NKFD13]

scent smoker didnt help me kill a deer , but as good looking as i am , it helps keep the whores off me so i can hunt . hoot

Man what kind of woods do you hunt in that you have THAT problem :D :D

[brock ratcliff]

Brock:

It's good to see that I am getting under your skin also. Now how about you go start a thread verses invading this one before I really make your little world turn upside down here on this site?

And you are here saying that none of them are affiliated with scent-smoker in any way? What if I busted your bubble in front of everyone? So let's hear it Brock, be careful of your words and choices because a lot of folks may lose all respect for you being a "stand-up business man". I'm asking you in front of everyone about any affiliations with any of the guys here on this site that promote the scent-smoker...so you say there are none?

Oldhat

I have no idea why I am wasting time with you on this, but here it is.

1. Heart Lunger was a sales rep that I dealt with on a weekly basis. He sold us product for our pizza shop. He has since become a friend and user of the Scent Smoker.

2. BEC is a friend of mine. Although he very rarely visits this site anymore due to pointless arguing such as this, he has been supportive of the Scent Smoker in the past.

3. Oh wait, I am out of "affiliations".

That is it. The rest of the folks you assume to be my "affiliates" are people that have bought Scent Smokers and were happy with the results. It is true that I now consider some of them to be friends, but I doubt those relationships would have been formed if they felt I had ripped them off in the purchase of a Scent Smoker.

I find it flattering that you think there is an army of paid marketers working on behalf of the Scent Smoker. I guess word of mouth really is effective.

That is it, I am done stomping like a teenager.

[coonskinner]

i stepped in a cow pie once...clumb my stan near the fence line an later here comes three deer an they immediately look right up at me...never stepped in a cow pie again...an i never will:D

[deerhunt45]

Sorry NKFD13...

I am going make this statement global...you all need to give it a rest.
SHUT UP AND HUNT!!! Then come back and tell us all about it and post your pics :D That's what I'm gonna do instead of letting some forum poster get under my skin. This website could be gone in an instant...what will you have gained by stewing over what somebody posted when you don't even know them?!?

Don't we have greater things to worry/argue about kids? How about the elections coming up? The stinking economy? For awhile, I can laugh with some of the posts and jabs and smack talk. But I'm tired of it as I think many are so it's time to "moderate". Leave it at the door or simply leave. I really don't give a darn.

[Hiller]

Sorry it gets under our skin when we post kill pics and stories and we have to listen to some internet hero tell us what all we did wrong, and how we don't know what we're doing...

Thats why your getting the responses your getting... I don't call people out unless they deserve it, and when it gets personal then they deserve it... plain and simple...

[OLDHAT]

Wow, imagine that Brock...I am sure you have seen your pm.....I am sure you are wondering my next move?

Oldhat

[Thunderflight]

Brock gave me a scent smoker last year. (Yelp gave it to me for free que: thunder) I told him I'd pay him for it, but he did it anyway. A few years back I was very skeptical, but last year I starting thinking about the logic behind the smoke and how it kills/prevents bacterial growth (I also saw a segement on survior man where he burned some mesquite to keep his stench down).

Well I only got to use the scent smoker once and that was last Spring on a SC hog hunt. For those of you who have known me for a few years, you know what my track record for hunting hogs on Lee's SC lease was. I think I was like 0 for 10 hunts (0 meaning skunked). Well the day I hunted the wind couldn't have been any worse. It was steady and strong and blew right towards the corn pile I was hunting over. I had pretty much resigned myself to the fact that this would probably be another typical SC trip, but I didn't care. Despite driving three hours for a single hunt I was in a tree stand vise sitting in the desert watching the sun set over the Al Asad ammuntion magazines. About an hour before sunset, and much to my surprise, three hogs came running in. The lead hog stopped about 50 to 75 yards out and started sniffing the air. I figured I'd be busted for sure, but was shocked when he came on in and brought the other two in tow. Well long story short two hogs died with one shot and my hog curse was over. They weren't mature hogs, but the fact is they came in down wind in on a property that I have had alot of difficulty hunting.

Prior to this I had played the wind, used scent lok, scent free, soaps, and one time even used corn and sow in heat scent. During all these hunts (during varying times of the year) I either got busted or didn't see a hog. Actually I did miss one hog with a bow once too. I'm sorry, but I'm a believer in the scent smoker and have told quite a few friends about it. Of course I get alot of "your crazy" looks, but it's all good. It's my opinion and that's all that matters.

[coonskinner]

Speaking of scent control, I just bought a new pair of "rubber" Itaska (sp?) "scent free" 800 gr. thinsulate, ankle fit from Dunhams. Suggested retail was $89.99, I'd seen them for $69.99...Dunhams sold them for $49.99. Has the adjustable calf, fit nice and comfortable and not too heavy to hike in. I think I got a deal, we'll see how they hold up.

The "scent free" is the sales pitch. Will these boots stay scent free? Never...and certainly not even close unless I conciously attempt to keep them that way. I don't wear them anywhere except in the woods and occasionally will wipe them down with a baking soda solution. Better yet, keep a box of Arm & Hammer with you (it's cheap) and a bucket of water (leave your bucket set out at your "parking" site to collect rain water, it's free) add the baking soda and step or swish each boot in it before heading out to your hunt.

The play the wind strategy (always good), the "scent free" approach, the smoke em up approach, the smell like dirt approach...it's all good. I don't have an argument with any of them. It's all part of trying to fool a whitetail's nose if only for a few minutes or a few critical seconds even. Do whatever works for you, what you want to buy and try and can afford, hunt what you want to hunt and go ahead and realize your own success in the field. That is what's so great about our country, you have choices!

this post shows you have the idea of scentfree an how it works...you will not completely illiminate it...miles keller who is the first person i ever seen write in detail and it was his method noted this too...that you will never be completely be scent free...the whole idea is to illiminate it as much as possible by doing as much things as you can...non scented toilet paper,cutting your hair short,watchin what you eat,soap free showers every day if possible,change of clothes at stand,whatever you can think of...i've added much to the original stuff myles talked about...i get 50% scent free thats better then where i was...an the scent free products seem to help a lot too adding even more to the percent you are scent free...i agree rubber boots are far from perfect an with knee high boots...the scent from your feet will pour out the top leaving it all at knee level...just about where a deers nose will be much of the time...this scent will be all over your clothes in that area...even with rubber boots i will walk thru puddles of water or creeks to delute any scent...cant git it all off but to trick a deers nose into thinking you walked thru lots earlier and your trail will seem much colder to them...they feel youre long gone...i seen this 100s of times...the deer thinks i'm way down in the valley...i see him looking down there for me but he's just 10 yds. from me as i watch him lookin for me in the valley...thats when i know i tricked him by illiminating just enough scent...again i've had this happen 100s of times...the thing is...no matter if you smoke up it still doan hurt to illiminate human scent too and do other things that help ...but i prefger scentless unless of course i git smoked by a campfire an yes i will call that a plus an use it but i woan go out of my way an build a camfire jus for that purpose...smokes natural in the woods...so deer doan seem to pay much attention to it when its on me...an i like camp fires too much to not include them when i'm huntin an campin...:biggrin:

[brock ratcliff]

Wow, imagine that Brock...I am sure you have seen your pm.....I am sure you are wondering my next move?

Oldhat

Post it. It doesn't make sense to me, maybe someone else can explain it better. I guess I could just ask 1023.

[Azzy]

I think Brock needs to thank Oldhat for a wonderful thread.

You can't buy advertisment like this.

My hat (HA!) goes off to OldHat for helping promote a great product.

Brock?? Some props to OH??

[hoot gibson]

I think your robin hood hat does that...

Did you hear the ODNR is going to allow rifles during bow season??? 30-06's to be exact... dang glad the OBA killed that amendment...;) ;)


i am also glad they killed it . shows me you all just wanted to start trouble . now its over:whistle: :yikes: :) :) h

[Dissident]

Chuck Norris doesnt use scent control either. The scent molecules are afraid to multiply on him.

[MagnumMudMan]

OK THATS IT!!!!!! EVERYONE MEET AT THE PLAYGROUND AFTER SCHOOL AND SETTLE THIS!!!!!!!! :bash: I mean thats what this sounds like, if oldhat doesn't believe in useing all that stuff than that his problem, I just find it funny that you guys let him get under your skin so easily, I started this thread to get opinions and info not to listen to everyone stomp there feet and act like teenagers. :banghead3:

I'm a firm believer than everyone is entitled to their opinion. Whether you want to be scent free, smell like smoke, or smell like cow dung, doesn't really matter to me.

Its when Oldshat comes on here with his know it all attitude and ripping on other forum members for their methods and beliefs that it gets to be 100% pure BS. :rant:

Oldshat - If you got something to say about Brock post it. I'm pretty sure you can't rattle old Brock. :mischeif: Otherwise, get back to licking stamps with the rest of the junk mail monkeys.

[Azzy]

We're waiting Oldhat.

Looks like OH likes to call out other people but doesn't like to show up when it's on the other foot. Tool.

[CritterGitter]

MMM you are in violation of the site rules. I suggest you edit your last post or it will be removed.

[Azzy]

MMM you are in violation of the site rules. I suggest you edit your last post or it will be removed.

I'm gonna throw this out there and say that he may not be too concerned about it. But let's give him time to reply before you get all delete happy. :biggrin:

[MagnumMudMan]

MMM you are in violation of the site rules. I suggest you edit your last post or it will be removed.

I just call em like I see them. No beating around the bush. Oldhat has it out for Jesse for no real reason and nobody seems to want to stop that. :tsk:

[deerhunt45]

I just call em like I see them. No beating around the bush. Oldhat has it out for Jesse for no real reason and nobody seems to want to stop that. :tsk:

As I do...and I think you're wrong on both counts....jmo
I also think Jesse can handle himself :tsk: Let's give it a rest.