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Deehntr56
08-03-2008, 10:06 AM
some say they do, and some say they don't......:biggrin:

Let's look at the top 3 teams.

OHIO STATE FOOTBALL
Bucks belong at No. 1
Sunday, August 03, 2008 Doug LesmerisesPlain Dealer Reporter
Consider a college football team picked to finish third in its conference in 2007.

Forced to replace half its starters, including all of the skill players on offense (two of them first-round NFL draft picks), the team nevertheless gained more yards than it did the year before. The defense finished first in the country in both fewest yards allowed and fewest points allowed. In fact, the defense allowed six fewer touchdowns over the course of the season than the No. 2 defense.

This team exceeded expectations.


It won 11 games, including its rivalry game, although only three wins came against teams ranked at year's end - No. 19, No. 21 and No. 25.

This team lost two games, to a team that finished No. 18 and to the eventual national champion.

Now it's a new season and this team returns 19 of 22 starters on offense and defense, more than any other team from a BCS conference. That group includes arguably the best running back, linebacker and cornerback in the country, and seven of nine starters on the offensive and defensive lines, the heart of any team.

If this team wasn't Ohio State, or if the Buckeyes had lost to national champion LSU in the third game of last season instead of in the 13th, there's little doubt in my mind that OSU would be a prohibitive No. 1 in the preseason polls.

Instead, the team stained by consecutive national championship game losses is a victim of its own success. Few people expected the Buckeyes to reach the national title game last year, but getting there and losing to LSU was less impressive to many pollsters than, say, destroying an overmatched Hawaii team in the Sugar Bowl. That's what 11-2 Georgia did last season, and the Bulldogs were No. 1 in the USA Today coaches preseason poll released Friday.

If OSU had lost two early games and earned an at-large bid to a BCS bowl, the Buckeyes would be as popular as they were heading into the 2006 season. In 2005, Ohio State finished 10-2 and No. 4 in the country, but lost twice in its first five games and finished on an upswing by smoking Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl. That team returned only 10 of 22 starters, yet was an easy preseason No. 1 in both polls, earning 63 of 128 first-place votes from coaches and AP voters.

So now 11-2, a No. 4 ranking and returning nearly double the number of starters left the Buckeyes with 14 of 61 first-place votes and a No. 3 ranking in the coaches poll.


It's not like the competition is overwhelming.

National champion LSU lost four players to the first three rounds of the NFL draft and returns just 10 of 22 starters and will start a quarterback with no experience. The Tigers were ranked No. 6.

Georgia, a preseason No. 1 for the first time, returns 16 starters, including quarterback Matthew Stafford (whose completion percentage last season was eight points lower than Todd Boeckman's) and Heisman Trophy candidate Knowshon Moreno at running back. But SEC media didn't even pick the Bulldogs to win the conference - they picked Florida.


USC, ranked No. 2, is stacked with talent, as always. But the Trojans lost seven players to the first two rounds of the NFL draft and return just 13 of 22 starters.

For right now? This is far from a guarantee that Ohio State will play for the national title. And if Georgia runs the table through a schedule that includes Arizona State, South Carolina, Tennessee, LSU, Florida and Auburn, the Bulldogs will have earned my No. 1 vote then.

But when the AP preseason poll is released on Aug. 16, Ohio State will have at least one first-place vote. To me, the choice was obvious.




V.P.
08-03-2008, 03:01 PM
...matter much to me.

It is all about where/how you finish the season.:coolgleamA:

Deehntr56
08-04-2008, 12:13 PM
I agree.

The preseason poll, indicates the Teams that have the talent "potential"and experience to be in the poll.

It breaks down the teams that have returning starters, talent at positions, and the capability of the program to field a team to be rated in this category.

Your #1-10 teams are normally very good. They need to be, to be there.

BUT......we all know what happens throughout the year. You have cinderella teams, that come out of nowhere, and you have good teams that don't jell together or have injuries to key players that drop them down the list.

At the end of the year, in most cases you have the team rated #1 because they have earned it!!!!

Luck is a residue of hard work, and the teams that work hard, play well and get a few breaks, do well.

Who will it be in 2008?:biggrin:

Georgia is tough, LSU and USC is also...but the Buckeyes return the most starters.

Who will earn it in 2008????:biggrin: :biggrin:

jeffmo
08-04-2008, 12:26 PM
now what did i do with that crystal ball......................
osu,georgia,s. carolina,usc all have alot of potential.
injury bugs and or, bad breaks always influence success.
that's why smart coaches give 2nd and 3rd stringers playing time when the score allows for it instead of running up scores.they never know when they might end up being a starter so playing time is valuable.

Deehntr56
08-04-2008, 12:29 PM
Good point Jeffmo.....if you watched the Buckeyes the last few years, how many times have you seen them rotate their starters in games with the 2nd string etc. throghout the game???:biggrin:

The Texas game was a great example.!:biggrin:

Redhunter1012
08-04-2008, 04:19 PM
Good point Jeffmo.....if you watched the Buckeyes the last few years, how many times have you seen them rotate their starters in games with the 2nd string etc. throghout the game???:biggrin:

The Texas game was a great example.!:biggrin:

That was one of the things I like about Tressell compared to Carr. Carr was too afraid to go for the jugular early and eventually get into the subs. Tressell never takes the foot off the gas and always gets valuable experience for his backups. As far as preseason polls not mattering. They absolutely matter if you happen to lose a game. If you start off ranked 25th and lose in the 4th week, you can never get back to the top. If you start in the top 5, you still can get back up there for a shot at the title if things go right (See OSU and LSU last year)

TheCream
08-04-2008, 04:35 PM
Ask me after the USC game. :coolgleamA:

Fish-n-Fool
08-04-2008, 05:28 PM
I say NO! You all will probably jump on me, but I agree with the thought that until OSU proves it on the field they are not #1. I think anywhere from #3 - #5 is fair. We have all the pieces to the puzzle and the schedule to get to the title game (thanks JT and Gene Smith for getting the OOC game with USC along with the future schedule loaded with heavy weights each year).

If we beat USC in LA - we are #1 & I don't care what anybody around the country has to say. USC does not lose OOC games to anybody in LA and they have pretty much beaten down every team in their path in the Rose bowl. Pete Carroll is one of the greatest college coaches out there and has a very creative football mind. SEC fans can talk all they want, but they do not want to go play in LA I can gaurantee that. We win that game (even a tight game) and we should be #1.

Until then, Buckeyes shold be ok with a top 5 ranking.

coonskinner
08-04-2008, 05:52 PM
i wondered where muh crystal ball went...:D i wonder what woody thought of polls...:mischeif:

Deehntr56
08-04-2008, 06:44 PM
I say NO! You all will probably jump on me, but I agree with the thought that until OSU proves it on the field they are not #1. I think anywhere from #3 - #5 is fair. We have all the pieces to the puzzle and the schedule to get to the title game (thanks JT and Gene Smith for getting the OOC game with USC along with the future schedule loaded with heavy weights each year).

If we beat USC in LA - we are #1 & I don't care what anybody around the country has to say. USC does not lose OOC games to anybody in LA and they have pretty much beaten down every team in their path in the Rose bowl. Pete Carroll is one of the greatest college coaches out there and has a very creative football mind. SEC fans can talk all they want, but they do not want to go play in LA I can gaurantee that. We win that game (even a tight game) and we should be #1.

Until then, Buckeyes shold be ok with a top 5 ranking.


You won't get an arguement from me...at least on this one!!!:biggrin:

To go nose to nose being rated #1, not to many teams have done that( The Buckeyes did once):biggrin: :biggrin:

USC HAS WON 34 OF THE LAST 35 GAMES AT HOME........If anyone thinks this is not a big game...you are hiding in Ann Arbor!!!

In my little mind.....the team to be ranked #1 at the end of the year...has to earn it!!!!

Carrol has used a system with his team since he was a graduate asistant, he is very comfortable with it and wins!

You couple that with the talent he has, and you have what you have.

The Buckeyes have their hands full...every team will come to beat them...no matter who they are.....their year will be made in some cases by winning 1 game, THE OSU GAME!!!

Wisconsin, Illinois, Penn State, Michigan, TROY:yikes: and all the others will give them all they can handle.

GO BUCKEYES!!!

deerhunt45
08-04-2008, 07:12 PM
I say NO! You all will probably jump on me, but I agree with the thought that until OSU proves it on the field they are not #1.

Until then, Buckeyes shold be ok with a top 5 ranking.

Quite the opposite fnf...I agree 100% I'm sure Coach Tressel is pleased with the ranking and will ensure the Buckeyes football team are deserving of it. I think the returning players really want it this year and have a year maturity.

coonie, I think even Woody was aware of the polls...all coaches are. It hasn't changed that much. Except with today's instant communication, all the players are aware of the rankings all the time, even if they try to ignore them. That's where good coaches come in. Woody had it, Bo had it and JT has it. The intangible to make overachievers of their teams

I guess we'll see how RR adjusts to the big house and the Big Ten :p

Deehntr56
08-04-2008, 07:20 PM
All the coaches downplay high ratings..they don't want their players to get comfortabe and get blind sided.

I was worried about the Buckeyes with their recent success over the years, until I was given some information about a few of lichter's punishing workouts this year....there are players just heaving through quite a few of these workouts...he is just raising the bar a couple more notches and the players are almost completely drained through 2/3 of it.

Quite a few have mentioned they didn't think they could make it.....but they did......they will be even better conditioned.....if they survive.

Fish-n-Fool
08-05-2008, 09:47 AM
Some of our guys look a bit too lean so I have heard. Hopefully they didn't trim down too much in a few cases. They did say the linemen all look great - best they have seen & that is very promising. Except Cordle is thought to have lost too much weight, but time will tell as he has to work to keep his weight up anyway.

I am so ready for soem college football - will be headed up to Ohio Stadium for the opener and it can't get here fast enough!

Deehntr56
08-05-2008, 12:14 PM
Cordle needs to have a few dozen of them double quarter pounders with cheese !!!!:biggrin:

I think they have really excelled at the conditioning this year..and should be in great shape....another example of taking it to the next level.....now we need to see how the filed performance comes together to see if all the pieces snap into place.

Have fun at the opener!!!

Redhunter1012
08-05-2008, 04:42 PM
Some of our guys look a bit too lean so I have heard. Hopefully they didn't trim down too much in a few cases. They did say the linemen all look great - best they have seen & that is very promising. Except Cordle is thought to have lost too much weight, but time will tell as he has to work to keep his weight up anyway.

I am so ready for soem college football - will be headed up to Ohio Stadium for the opener and it can't get here fast enough!

Who, Whoa, Whoa! Didn't I say something about Cordle being too light earlier and people just ripping me telling me that my sources and I were completely wrong? Hmm, I'll have to go back and see who that was:bouncy:

Deehntr56
08-05-2008, 06:37 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, another new move to help.:biggrin:



So much for depth charts.

Despite having senior Curtis Terry listed as the starting strongside linebacker in the 2008 media guide,is that Terry has moved fulltime to fullback, a shift he first started to make during spring practice. Terry redshirted at linebacker last season with an injury.

So just before the start of the first practice this afternoon the starters at linebacker, for now, are senior James Laurinaitis in the middle, senior Marcus Freeman moving from the weakside to the strongside and sophomore Ross Homan at the weakside.

Deehntr56
08-05-2008, 06:41 PM
:biggrin: :bouncy: For all the Buckeye faithful!!!!:bouncy: :biggrin:


http://blog.cleveland.com/lesmerises/2008/08/large_SIcover.JPG

jeffmo
08-05-2008, 08:32 PM
dee,i looked and looked but i didn't see any of those ugly helmets from up north in that pic!

Deehntr56
08-05-2008, 08:57 PM
LOL...It makes a better and Classier SI Cover this way!!!!:biggrin: :biggrin:

Fish-n-Fool
08-06-2008, 12:43 PM
Red - I remember that and I also remember you being way off on his weight - something like 260lbs when he was actually closer to 290. He is listed at 300lbs on the roster and he was over 290 all year last season. It is well documented Cordle had a very hard time putting on weight his freshman year. He has to work to keep his weight over 290. That said he hasn't been near 260 since his freshman season; that is until now. Several of our "big" guys lost a lot of weight. Most look much better, but Cordle is thought to have gone too far - he will be adding bulk back on all fall. I don't know what he weighed in at, but I would guess in the 270 range from looking at him. He'll have the job anyway as CFB centers don't need to be big 300lb + bodies - they need to be strong, quick off the line and make the right calls at the line. Cordle does/has all three components and he is a good one.

I had to add that Beanie is currently 6lbs heavier than his playing weight last year and running better times in shuttle, 40, etc. He is feeling it after his double workouts all year and he knows it is his time. Of everybody on the entire team he ranks 7th or 8th in total strength numbers as a TB! Opposing teams are REALLY going to get tired of tackling this guy. He looks like a ripped DE, but with 4.5 speed.

Deehntr56
08-06-2008, 12:53 PM
Red - I remember that and I also remember you being way off on his weight - something like 260lbs when he was actually closer to 290. He is listed at 300lbs on the roster and he was over 290 all year last season. It is well documented Cordle had a very hard time putting on weight his freshman year. He has to work to keep his weight over 290. That said he hasn't been near 260 since his freshman season; that is until now. Several of our "big" guys lost a lot of weight. Most look much better, but Cordle is thought to have gone too far - he will be adding bulk back on all fall. I don't know what he weighed in at, but I would guess in the 270 range from looking at him. He'll have the job anyway as CFB centers don't need to be big 300lb + bodies - they need to be strong, quick off the line and make the right calls at the line. Cordle does/has all three components and he is a good one.

I had to add that Beanie is currently 6lbs heavier than his playing weight last year and running better times in shuttle, 40, etc. He is feeling it after his double workouts all year and he knows it is his time. Of everybody on the entire team he ranks 7th or 8th in total strength numbers as a TB! Opposing teams are REALLY going to get tired of tackling this guy. He looks like a ripped DE, but with 4.5 speed.


I posted this update on another thread and will update here on the linemen!!!:biggrin:

http://blog.cleveland.com/lesmerises/2008/08/large_SIcover.JPG


Offensive line notes....Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Where's the BEEF??? :biggrin:

Let's start here......

At Center, Jim Cordle returns. Cordle was injured the year before last, but was pushing Center Doug Datish for playing time when he was healthy. When Datish graduated Cordle started the 2007 team during all of its games. He had a pretty bad injury to his right wrist at the start of the season, so he learned to snap the ball left handed before the first game against YSU and never looked back. A 6′4 297 pound junior, OSU can look forward to another season after this one of excellence at this very important position. Cordle is backed up by Andrew Moses a 6′3 280 pound Junior who does not have the playing time that Cordle has. An injury to Cordle would wreak havoc on this offensive line as it is the Center calling the blocking schemes on each play. That takes experience and composure which only comes from starts.

At Right Guard, there is a great deal of returning experience in 6′4 323 lb Senior Ben Person. Person got a lot of playing time last year after coming off an injury, and is backed up by Connor Smith at 6′4 321.

At Right Tackle is 6′4 312 Sophomore Bryant Browning. Browning was pushing players all over last year’s offensive line for time. He could be plugged in anywhere and was often thought of as the sixth man to that line. This year, with Kirk Barton lost to graduation, he has come into Barton’s spot. Browning is backed up by Freshman Evan Blankenship, 6′3 290.

The monsters live on the Left side of the line though. At Left Guard we see 6′7 345 lb Steve Rehring, a Senior with starting experience for the last three years. He is backed up by 6′3 291 lb. Senior Kyle Mitchum.

On Rehring’s very large left shoulder you will find 6′8 312 Senior Alex Boone. Boone can do things with his aircraft carrier body that just aren’t natural, like when he jumped over WR Brian Hartline in the endzone after Hartline caught a touchdown pass against Wisconsin. Hartline, 6′2, did not duck. The Wisconsin coach saw this on the replay after the game and said only: “Our guys can’t do that.” That's 312 lbs folks!!!!! :biggrin:

Look for Boone as the pulling Tackle on many plays as he has the speed to get to the other side of the line to throw key blocks. Boone is backed up by 6′5 286 lb Redshirt Sophomore Josh Kerr.

OSU is loaded at Tight End, with two players with loads of game time experience. There is Rory Nichol, 6-5 252 lb. Redshirt Senior, mostly used in blocking situations but who can catch the ball, and then he is backed up by 6′6 256 Junior Jake Ballard, who has excellent speed for his size and great hands for pass routes.

My thoughts on the Offensive line this year is that they have a heck of a lot of experience. The left side is dominant, and there has not been such a dominant left side since Orlando Pace and Korey Stringer lined up shoulder to shoulder back in the early 1990s. Steve Rehring has at times come in a bit heavy, but not this year. Strength and Conditioning Coach Eric Lichter was working his evil magic throughout the summer on these guys, and there won’t be much to getting them into game shape.

The tricky bit is depth. With the exception of Connor Smith, none of the back ups have any significant game time under their belts. They also drop off in size quite a bit from the starters. It’s not hard for one of these big guys to have someone roll up on a leg or to just plant and turn wrong. The protective braces you are seeing more and more have helped reduce a lot of injuries. But Tressel should remember to rotate in the number two line as often as possible because injuries happen when you are tired, and big guys get tired fast.

If there is an injury....then you might see a bit of reshuffling on the line, to bring Connor Smith in as a starter, and the starter he replaces would move into the injured player’s spot.

But the future of the line shines bright.............. OSU’s has a great incoming freshman class featureing JB Shugarts, Mike Adams and Mike Brewster. These guys are the real deal, and after this year, you will see them everywhere on the O-Line. With Cordle and Browning still around, the line is going to be even better in the long run.

I didn't even mention Boren either!!!

I don’t think it is hyperbole to say that this line is the best in the Big Ten, and possibly the best in the nation. As the season wears on, they are going to look even better than they are because they will have a senior QB who will have the savvy to get rid of the ball rather than take a sack. They are also going to be opening holes for some very talented and experienced Running Backs in Chris Wells, Maurice Wells, and Brandon Saine. Throw in Boom Herron and there are going to be some very tired defensive linemen out there in the second half of many games.

Got to Love it OHIO!!!!!!

Deehntr56
08-06-2008, 12:56 PM
http://blog.cleveland.com/lesmerises/2008/08/large_SIcover.JPG


Oh, and Beanie is going to pound on defenses, the guy is in the best shape of his career....if he stays healthy, we are going to have some fun this fall!!!:biggrin:

Redhunter1012
08-06-2008, 05:18 PM
Fish'nFool, I actually wasn't really trying to argue. One of my inside guys who is a coach was talking to Lichtner and was told by him at that time Cordle was like 265lbs, and that was with effort going towards putting on weight. If Cordle for some reason couldn't go, I would bet on Brewster before Moses. He is gonna be something special.

Deehntr56
08-07-2008, 12:46 PM
http://blog.cleveland.com/lesmerises/2008/08/large_SIcover.JPG


http://blog.cleveland.com/osu_impact/2008/08/wellsmf.jpg



OSU's Wells says confidence was the key to his second-half surge in 2007
by Doug Lesmerises Wednesday August 06, 2008, 10:35 PM

Marvin Fong/The Plain Dealer
Chris Wells says confidence in his ability prompted his surge during the second half of the 2007 season for the Buckeyes.Columbus -- Really? That guy -- the turbo-charged dump truck -- lacked for confidence? What else would Beanie Wells have needed in order to feel like he could handle the load?
Seems like a 1,600-yard season has done it. All that talk last year about Wells finding a way to play through pain was more about his head than his ankle. Hurt or not, Wells said he didn't have it.

"It's good to have a year under my belt, because last year at the beginning of the season, I wasn't confident at all," Wells said before Ohio State practice started this week. "It was a big difference from being on the field periodically to being on the field all the time. I feel a lot more confident and a lot more comfortable now."

Confidence, or the expression of it, is a funny thing, though. Everybody has it in the present but lacked it in the past.

This was Wells before the opener against Youngstown State last season, as he readied for his first season as a No. 1 back.

"I feel more relaxed and more free when I'm on the field," Wells said then. "My thoughts are clear, and I feel like I could run all day."


And then he gained three yards on his first seven carries of the season against Youngstown State.

Part of that was a new offensive line finding its way. Part of certainly was the time Wells missed during the preseason with an ankle injury that continued to nag him through the season. But it's fair to guess now that part of that was a sophomore with a NFL body still uncertain about how to use it.

Now he's a junior who's ready and willing to exploit his 230-pound gift from the start.

"I think his confidence in his running is much better," said OSU legend Archie Griffin, who often talks with Wells about life as a back.

And the body is, well, the body. A year ago, Wells' voluntary double sessions during summer workouts was the story. Now his beastly ability is a given.

"You think about how strong Beanie is," OSU linebacker Marcus Freeman said, "I think Beanie is in the top five or 10 in strength on this whole team, including linemen."

And the body's in one piece. Off-season wrist surgery kept Wells out of spring ball, but he's rolling now.

"He's ready to go," Jim Tressel said at Monday's first practice. "Are we going to tackle his 600 times this preseason? No."

Tressel knows that wouldn't be healthy for anyone, including his linebackers. Because no matter what Wells said before or says now about his thinking, all that matters is the running. The second-half of last season, he ran like a man who knew were he wanted to go, even while he said his wrist "was going to fall off."

Surgery took care of that. Wells hopes to take care of the doubt himself.


A Better Beanie

Ohio State running back Beanie Wells averaged 92 yards per game in his first seven games last season, and 161 yards per game in his final six games.

First seven games: 118 carries, 642 yards, 5.4 yard average, 6 touchdowns


Last six games: 156 carries, 967 yards, 6.2 yard average, 9 touchdowns


Projection if Wells matches the second-half pace for all of 2008: 338 carries, 2,095 yards, 20 touchdowns

jeffmo
08-07-2008, 02:13 PM
this should be a fun year!!!

Deehntr56
08-19-2008, 12:33 PM
Here is "1" of your "third" receivers......Who is the other option???:biggrin:

As talent deveops you have the good ones rise to the top!!!!:biggrin:

Remember...Dane was ranked #58 when he was recruited......you just never know how some players will develop!!!


Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....Sophomore receiver Dane Sanzenbacher is the star of camp. Ohio State coach Jim Tressel can't stop talking about him, so it was no surprise when Sanzenbacher was working as the No. 3 receiver with the first-team offense, ahead of Ray Small, during Monday's public practice.



"Dane from a functional standpoint, technique-wise, has studied the game," Tressel said. "He's no longer a guy trying to learn the plays, he's trying to learn how to beat you. He's jumped up. "

While senior cornerback Malcolm Jenkins usually takes on veterans Brian Robiskie or Brian Hartline in practice, he admitted after Saturday's scrimmage that Sanzenbacher is his toughest matchup. He compared him to former OSU No.1 draft pick Anthony Gonzalez.

"Dane is probably the guy who gets the best of me out of all of them," Jenkins said. "He's smooth. He has great releases, great hands, he makes plays. If I had to compare him to somebody it would be Gonzo. I think he's real talented and a lot of people are going to be surprised by him this year."

Jenkins did manage to snag an interception on a Todd Boeckman endzone lob to Sanzenbacher and celebrated like he quite enjoyed it!!!

Keep on rolling right into the season..............

Fish-n-Fool
08-19-2008, 03:43 PM
No knock on Dane - I love the kid and who wouldn't take another Gonzo - BUT with Dane as the #3 we still have no deep threat; not like an elite team like OSU should have. The top tier teams with fast, physical corners will not fear our receiving corp withe Dane and the two Brian's on the field. They can play man coverage and bump those guys at the line without worry of any of them getting loose with one safety back there.

For this team to reach maximum capacity we NEED somebody with speed enough to stretch and worry a backfield. We will look better than most teams would with these three because of the fear Beanie puts into a defense, but we need Small, Washington or Posey to step up and take that #3 spot.

In the long run I think Posey will be the guy that does it - he is a stud. Small had a high ceiling but can't get it done. Washington I really like too - and he can beat a defense deep. Time will tell, but I like Posey even next year with more speed coming in (Jackon & Fields both FLY).

Redhunter1012
08-19-2008, 05:11 PM
Small is too busy partying and not taking his game seriously. FnF, I'm sure you've heard the same. Posey I think will eventually be that guy for you. Jackson better learn to run routes before next year unless all he plans to run are fly patterns. Fields has a very nice skillset that will stretch a defense.

Deehntr56
08-19-2008, 08:30 PM
FNF...Dane is not your burner...he's like Gonzalez...smart, runs good routes and gets open. He has challenged Jenkins and made him work to cover him. He has the "smarts" to use his ability and get open, not with speed, but with technique...that will play a role this year. He reminds me a lot of Gonzalez..when I watched him play here for SI.

Posey if he develops is the best of the group...but both him and Washington are "behind" in their development compared to Dane at this point. A lot happens in a season...alot can change bewteen now and January.:biggrin:

You'll see some "new" burners coming up to challege to start next year...Robiskie and Hartline will be gone...

You'll have a lot competing For a start next year...Posey, Washington, Dane, Thomas, Fields,Saine(He's being utilized there for a reason).....and Jackson...and more to come...whoever gets serious will rise to the challenge and be your startes in 2009.

Saine is the fastest recorded speedster on the team we have right now, with "Flash" Thomas challeging him for that title shortly. 4.25-4.29 speed is pretty nice to have...Thomas has the potential to be in that category. Fields is quick....Jackson when he gets here will be there also, along with Berry...Speed kills:biggrin: ...and we could have 5-6 legidimate 4.3 speedsters on board next year.

This year is a year for these players to make a move...those who do, will set themsleves apart and propel themsleves to potential future starters.

Ths year you will see a few of the young ones push, pull, and make a move...they will be your potential leaders for 2009...along with the great new recruits coming in...more fun to come.:biggrin:

:biggrin: GOOOOOOOOOO BUCKEYES!!!!!:biggrin: