great calling plan for rich....

[jeffmo]

on wva's dime that is!!!!!
classy guy!!!



Rodriguez used WVU cell phone to recruit for Michigan
By Mike Casazza
Daily Mail sportswriter
MORGANTOWN -- In the hours after telling his team he was leaving for the University of Michigan, former West Virginia football Coach Rich Rodriguez called at least two Wolverine recruits from his WVU cell phone, according to records obtained by the Daily Mail through the Freedom of Information Act.

In the request for a declaratory judgment filed by WVU's Board of Governors last month, the board asked that Rodriguez submit "full and complete copies of all cell phone records, text message records, phone records, and e-mails for the time period between December 1, 2007, up to and including December 18, 2007."

The university suspects Rodriguez contacted recruits for Michigan while still employed at WVU. The NCAA recruiting calendar was also in a quiet and dead period when WVU believes some contact was made.

Attorney Thomas Flaherty, hired to represent WVU and the board in the lawsuit, said it was "impossible to say" the documents obtained by the Daily Mail - phone, text message and e-mail records from his final two months - are what the plaintiffs hope to receive from Rodriguez.

"It's what the university has, but we don't know what we're going to get from Rodriguez," Flaherty said.

If what the Daily Mail acquired from the university is all or part of what Rodriguez submits, the e-mail and text records seem to be of little use. The history of phone calls is potentially more useful.

Of the calls made to or from Rodriguez's two WVU phones - one a Blackberry, the other a Cellular One phone - nine were Michigan numbers. The rest are to other locations, and the numbers were blacked out and unidentifiable.

Four Michigan calls were to or from Central Michigan coach and former WVU assistant Butch Jones.

Two were made to an unknown land line in Ann Arbor, Mich., on the afternoon of Dec. 17. Rodriguez was introduced as Wolverines coach that morning.

However, two numbers belong to high school prospects Boubacar Cissoko and Rocko Khoury, and a third is thought to belong to another prospect. All were contacted the night of Dec. 16, the same day Rodriguez announced his plans to resign at WVU.

Cissoko is a four-star defensive back who committed to Michigan last February but was wavering after Coach Lloyd Carr announced his resignation and had begun to entertain other offers. Cissoko since has reaffirmed his commitment to Michigan and says he will help in the recruitment of top-rated quarterback Terrelle Pryor.

Khoury is a three-star offensive lineman who committed in June.

A third number is believed to belong to four-star offensive lineman Dan O'Neill, who committed in March. However, it could not be confirmed since O'Neill changed his number throughout the recruiting process.

At 7:42 p.m., about six hours after telling WVU players he was leaving, Rodriguez called an unidentified number in Toledo, Ohio. Rodriguez had met Michigan officials in Toledo a day earlier to discuss the job, and his financial advisor works there, but Michigan also has a commitment from a four-star Toledo tight end, Kevin Koger.

The call lasted three minutes before Rodriguez called an unidentified Houston number. That call lasted one minute. Michigan has a commitment from a four-star Houston running back, Sam McGuffie.

Rodriguez then called Cissoko in a call that lasted two minutes and took a seven-minute call from an unidentified number, perhaps a person returning a message Rodriguez had left earlier.

Then, Rodriguez called Khoury in a one-minute call and the number believed to belong to O'Neill in a four-minute call. A second unidentified incoming call followed and lasted 13 minutes.

Rodriguez did not use his WVU cell phones to call Pryor Dec. 16. The records show no call made to a Pennsylvania number that day. Pryor, who said Rodriguez called him that morning to tell him about the move to Michigan, attends Jeanette (Pa.) High.

Rodriguez first called Butch Jones on Nov. 24, the day after Central Michigan beat Akron and advanced to the Mid-American Conference championship game. Rodriguez received a call from Jones and the two talked for 17 minutes on Dec. 5.

Rodriguez again called Jones and the two had a 24-minute conversation late Dec. 15, the day Rodriguez met Michigan officials in Toledo. He called Jones again and the two had a 17-minute conversation Dec. 17, the day Rodriguez formally was named Michigan coach.

Jones was a candidate to replace Rodriguez and had two interviews with WVU officials.

A series of interesting phone calls began Dec. 9 when Rodriguez accepted a call from Fayetteville, Ark., at 10:29 p.m. The call lasted nine minutes. The University of Arkansas, located in Fayetteville, hired Bobby Petrino as head coach two days later.

Shawn Windsor, a sportswriter for the Detroit Free Press, said Rodriguez told him in an interview that Rodriguez was contacted by Arkansas and declined to speak with the school.

On Dec. 15, Rodriguez made seven calls to Peterstown, Monroe County, a place he called 112 times during November and December, often in succession, and also made calls to Boston, Toledo and Phoenix, where his agent works. On Dec. 16, he repeated the cycle with calls to each location. This time, the call to Phoenix lasted 29 minutes.

Rodriguez, who said many times while coaching WVU that he did not use e-mail, received just nine, and they were insignificant - a resume from a hopeful graduate assistant, a note from an upset fan, a request to approve a T-shirt design, accommodations for the coaching convention in Anaheim, Calif., and requests for annual leave.

He also didn't use text messaging much. He sent only 11, and the service provider does not save the content of the messages. Two were to Butch Jones. The first was Oct. 26, a day before the Chippewas beat Kent State. The second was Nov. 8, two days after Central Michigan beat Western Michigan.

The records likely will be at the heart of WVU's effort to make Rodriguez pay the $4 million buyout requirement in his contract.

Charleston attorney Sean McGinley, one of Rodriguez's lawyers, on Wednesday sought to move the case from Monongalia County Circuit Court to federal court.

"We anticipated they might do this, so it's no surprise at all," said Flaherty, attorney for WVU and its board. "We're perfectly comfortable litigating this in any court."

Flaherty and the Board of Governors could challenge the motion and seek to keep the case in circuit court. They have 30 days to decide.

However, Flaherty said Rodriguez's basis for asking to move the case is inaccurate. Rodriguez contends federal court is the proper jurisdiction because the two parties resided in different states at the time he was served papers. He says he established Michigan residency by Dec. 29.

"He received them personally in his Morgantown home from a Kanawha County deputy sheriff," Flaherty said.

Rodriguez now has five more days to respond to the university's legal action and provide WVU with requested items. His response initially was due Friday.










http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/200801170675

[Redhunter1012]

LOL. Boy, you really know how to nail it to him Jeffmo! Great investigative reporting Super Sleuth! My god, he used his Cell phone to call recruits on WV's dime! You bring up all these atrocious crimes he comitted, i can't belive WV made such a big fuss about him leaving:)

[jeffmo]

During the conference call, Rodriguez insisted he did not contact any Michigan recruits while he was still employed by West Virginia.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3200951

[Deehntr56]

LOL. Boy, you really know how to nail it to him Jeffmo! Great investigative reporting Super Sleuth! My god, he used his Cell phone to call recruits on WV's dime! You bring up all these atrocious crimes he comitted, i can't belive WV made such a big fuss about him leaving:)


LMAO...Man Red...whupping is coming fast and hard.....can you sit yet?

[Deehntr56]

[QUOTE]Rodriguez again called Jones and the two had a 24-minute conversation late Dec. 15, the day Rodriguez met Michigan officials in Toledo. He called Jones again and the two had a 17-minute conversation Dec. 17, the day Rodriguez formally was named Michigan coach.[QUOTE]

[Redhunter1012]

You guys are really trying here. I'll give you that. Those are almost as bad as Cheaty McSweatervest:)

[Deehntr56]

You guys are really trying here. I'll give you that. Those are almost as bad as Cheaty McSweatervest:)

Don't have to try...it's all black and white....you able to sit yet???:biggrin:

[Redhunter1012]

Dee, I'm kinda lost with your whole whooping thing you keep claiming. So far, you guys havn't done anything to refute the articles about Tressell cheating other than finding these little lame stories about RR supposed character. Are you and Jethro still staying up all night searchiong for these miniscule tidbits about RR in a last ditch effort to hide the fact that Tressell is a known cheater and liar? So far, I've felt nothing from you ladies yet. So, I'll tell you what. You guys take the night off from searching and go back to your old routine. You know, the one where you guys strip down to your buckeye underoos and stare at that poster of Tressell on the wall while you pleasure yourselves.

[Deehntr56]

I wonder with this calling plan RR has, on whether all players that have committed to other schools are on his auto dial and in his network, as a family share plan?????:confused: :whistle:

[Redhunter1012]

I wonder with this calling plan RR has, on whether all players that have committed to other schools are on his auto dial and in his network, as a family share plan?????:confused: :whistle:

I sure as hell hope they are. A verbal is just that. I have no problem with my coach doing it when everybody else does it. Tressell has called JT turners coach a couple different times to express his interest in him since he comitted to UM. Don't think any coach is above it. If they want to curb it a little, there should be an early signing period like in Basketball.

[Deehntr56]

http://www.ohiosportsman.com/photopost/data/500/deadhorse.jpg

[deerhunt45]

For better or worse, those high schoolers, parents (and schools/coaches) dedicated to sports and their students want the college coaches to have their numbers on speed dial. You bet they do.

[Deehntr56]

Absolutely...you would be amazed how good a friend the coach is to the family...and how many cook outs their invited to......;) :biggrin:

[jeffmo]

Dee, I'm kinda lost with your whole whooping thing you keep claiming. So far, you guys havn't done anything to refute the articles about Tressell cheating other than finding these little lame stories about RR supposed character. Are you and Jethro still staying up all night searchiong for these miniscule tidbits about RR in a last ditch effort to hide the fact that Tressell is a known cheater and liar? So far, I've felt nothing from you ladies yet. So, I'll tell you what. You guys take the night off from searching and go back to your old routine. You know, the one where you guys strip down to your buckeye underoos and stare at that poster of Tressell on the wall while you pleasure yourselves.

oh,i see when YOU use a source like espn it's the gospel but when the same source is used for a story about rich then it's totally false huh?
all i had to do was a search for "rich rodriguez controversy" and my computer lit up light a slot machine that just rolled up 3 cherries.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3200951

your team got what they paid for.
someone with very questionable ethics and who's word is apparently worth very little.and above that he WASN'T their 1st choice.
face it,he's a joke!
but keep the whining up,it's really music to my ears!

[jeffmo]

Dee, I'm kinda lost with your whole whooping thing you keep claiming. So far, you guys havn't done anything to refute the articles about Tressell cheating other than finding these little lame stories about RR supposed character. Are you and Jethro still staying up all night searchiong for these miniscule tidbits about RR in a last ditch effort to hide the fact that Tressell is a known cheater and liar? So far, I've felt nothing from you ladies yet. So, I'll tell you what. You guys take the night off from searching and go back to your old routine. You know, the one where you guys strip down to your buckeye underoos and stare at that poster of Tressell on the wall while you pleasure yourselves.

right!,and you put stock in what ol maurice said AFTER he broke the rules and got in trouble.good thinking!
wanna buy a bridge????

[Deehntr56]

oh,i see when YOU use a source like espn it's the gospel but when the same source is used for a story about rich then it's totally false huh?
all i had to do was a search for "rich rodriguez controversy" and my computer lit up light a slot machine that just rolled up 3 cherries.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3200951

your team got what they paid for.
someone with very questionable ethics and who's word is apparently worth very little.and above that he WASN'T their 1st choice.
face it,he's a joke!
but keep the whining up,it's really music to my ears!


The problem with Reds stories though, is that they are just that....stories....by uncreditable sources that led to nothing....as PUBLISHED BY HIS OWN ESPN..and the other stories he makes up....you really have to have a great imagination to create stories about buying Pryor, and giving cars to players......man.....his imagination is running wild... As you can see Sweater Vest is coaching, recruiting like a man obsessed......and winning.:biggrin:

Rip Rod on the other hand.....and his agent...show exactly what they paid for......broken contracts,shady dealings, cell phone calls for UM on WV time...it goes on and on....and lets not forget the ladies.:biggrin:

[Redhunter1012]

Uh, OK ladies. Whatever you feel like then. FishnFool and I have PM'd eachother about a few different things reguarding OSU and UM. I understand he has good sources and he knows who my source is. Ask him about Pryor's car and guardian. Maybe He'll give you the dirt. If he doesn't wanna divulge it, then it's a dead issue. I will not bring it up anymore. Dee, you have a lame ass picture of RR getting a picture taken with some ladies. WOW! I'm sure he's probably taken alot more with others as well as most other coaches. The fact of the matter is, RR has never had to lie his way out of recruiting scandals, amateur eligibilty scandals, and acedemic fraud scandals like Tressell. Tressell even admitted all these players were taking money, but that he never knew it or knew the individuals the players were dealing with. Then the reporters bring up proof of his relationship with thses individuals and he basically say's "I'll have to look at that report later". What a lying little weasel. LOL

[Deehntr56]

My God.....if my kids whined as much as you, they wouldn't of made it to 18 years of age.:whistle:

Time to pony up now Redwhiner.......put up or shut up......show us in writing(black and white) charges to Tressel and his program at OSU by the NCAA and the penalties. No more stories, no more I have made this up....so I can feel better, no morre warm feelings on my pants after I Pissed on them....just straight up proof of all your accusations.

Put up or Shut up..........or move on to somehwere that likes to hear the whining.

Do we want to dig a little on what Hart and other's have driven at UM and currently are, or any other University???? I already know about some already:biggrin: Do we want to Dig on how Manningham was high all the time at UM and UM did nothing about it, along with allowing it???

Come on man...wake up.........We've been here already, and it doesn't need to be repeated.


You just need to accept the fact UM has to get with the program, and stop creating stories about other programs because you guys S***** the last several years!!

I really can't put it any simpler than that. Be a man, accept it like a man!

When Cooper was here.....we S***** AND many of us said so to everyone. I didn't create stories about other teams, I knew we needed to get better, and we were HORRIBLE!!! We could'nt do anything in big games. Cooper was a good guy, but couldn't take OSU to the next level. Now Woody was another Story!!!!

I knew when my teams were not playing well...you think I WOULD MAKE UP excuses...HE11 NO...Because we would not of become a better team. We adjusted, and learned and worked hard and made improvements. We looked at OURSELVES to improve, and not what the other teams did.

The difference bewteen OSU fans and you( I am not including other UM fans, since I know a few that are great people) has been evident in your posts........look at the whining from your end.........look hard.....and then have your lovely UM get a team on the field by WORKING HARD and win...and not lose to Division 11 Schools....and earn the recognition and not demanding that thier past reputation(many years ago) means they are good today and deserve an atta boy!!

Or creating stories about other teams, so you can feel better about your team. The only way you will feel better is when they get better, and that isn't by creating negative stories about other schools. You have your OWN problems!!! Trust me!

THEY S***!

UM is not any Better than OSU....PERIOD! From a shool standpoint to the field....they are both Educational Institutions with Strenghts and weeknesses! Each school is very good at certain things, and are great schools!



Look at yourself and your posts.......:rolleyes:

I started an article about Pryor........

You post this "Oh, yea! Bought and paid for baby!"

and then this......."I do think Pryor is gonna be one of those players that people remember forever. He truly is that talented. Doesn't change the whole shadiness of his recruitment to you guys."

then the last one........"Uh, OK ladies."

Your pissed because Pryor selected Tressel and OSU over Rip Rod and UM. Accept it and your team needs to learn how to recruit!!! Real siimple there my friend.......they need to learn to win, they need to learn to recriut, they need to learn how to compete. Tressel is out recruiting RR Big time right now. Pryor wasn't the only recruit Tressel beat out RR for...it's 5 out of 6 already!!!!

You or I will not change that. Were a FAN ........and your no expert on how they need to play the game, or how tro deal with players in life...they need to figure that out, that is their coaches job! That is what they are paid the Big Bucks for!!!!

All the Coaches today have their hands full. They have to manage many.... in some cases 100 players....on the field and off the Field. A coach said it best recently, " A good day is when the phone doesn't ring", meaning that if he didn't get a call in having to deal with a player issue or problem it was a good day. They deal with it on a daily basis. It's just like raising 100 kids in your household.

Accept your getting your lunch handed to you on the field, and take it like a man.

If you can't .........then you need to grow up, and talk good football or go somewhere where people want to hear you whine and make accusations...it sure isn't here!!!! It's gettin Old Redwhiner...real Old!

[Redhunter1012]

My God.....if my kids whined as much as you, they wouldn't of made it to 18 years of age.:whistle:

Time to pony up now Redwhiner.......put up or shut up...... !

Hey Dee, are you an internet toughguy now with that first stement? I showed you the ESPN investigation. It said how he cheated. Exactly the same crap you guys put up against RR. Thing is, It doesn't really bother as much as it does you guys. As far as wanting Pryor, we never really had a chance until RR was hired. Then it was Pryor who called Bob Lichtenfels and told him to put UM back in his top 2. In all honesty, it was the smart move for him, and it had benefit$. I have been following recruiting probably longer than anybody on here, so I've learned to not get too attatched to any prospective recruits until they sign on the dotted line. We got the difference maker for our team that I wanted. His name is Sam McGuffie. You can check him out here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s

[jeffmo]

Hey Dee, are you an internet toughguy now with that first stement? I showed you the ESPN investigation. It said how he cheated. Exactly the same crap you guys put up against RR. Thing is, It doesn't really bother as much as it does you guys. As far as wanting Pryor, we never really had a chance until RR was hired. Then it was Pryor who called Bob Lichtenfels and told him to put UM back in his top 2. In all honesty, it was the smart move for him, and it had benefit$. I have been following recruiting probably longer than anybody on here, so I've learned to not get too attatched to any prospective recruits until they sign on the dotted line. We got the difference maker for our team that I wanted. His name is Sam McGuffie. You can check him out here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IJ17ODo_s

dorothy,click your heels together 3 times and keep saying "there's no place like home"
that high pitched whine is music to my ears!!
dee,careful! i think you're on the verge of being called a "loudmouth"!!!!

[Deehntr56]

Hahahahaha.....Hey Redwhiner...where in the coveted ESPN article does it say Tressel was charged with NCAA Violatons???? And the penalties imposed??? If you look and if you can read...the article says he was not charged.Your blowing smoke, and have no fire...and your creditability as of now is completely shot since you have proven you have nothing but stories!!!:tsk:

And that article is old news...long ago, and many have read it already...and know all ablout it!!!

You shiowed the faithful nothing new, and nothing concrete!

Now Rip Rod...well, he's been caught quite a few times already!!!

Once again...compeletely nothing and that was my point. Your done now!!!

Your Creditabilty is NADA!!!


To the rest of the faithful........I got my Master Bath painted,(Honey do list before the season starts) the lawn mowed, and whupped on whiner this afternoon...this has been a good day!!!!:D

Move on to the whiner forum.......

I have been following recruiting probably longer than anybody on here, so I've learned to not get too attatched to any prospective recruits until they sign on the dotted line.

You may be AROUND 30 something...you may of followed a few years of recruiting...you "followed", but you haven't recruited, been involved in coaching, worked with young talent and so on. YOUR A FAN!

A few of us may have double the time in following the recruiting game, may have recruited, some coached and been involved in some form with young players........so your the expert?????

Don't think so!

Your really stretching it now!!!

[Redhunter1012]

Ok. You guys win.:)

[Birdbrain]

REDHUNTER1012, I have been a friend of Jim Tressel for over twenty five years.He is an outstanding gentleman and one of the most honest people I have ever known.Maybe it is about time you come up with some facts to prove the lies that you like to spread. I know when your great Michigan team has only beaten him once in the last six years ,that you would have to come up with some excuse as to why you can't beat the Buckeyes.
Try being a man and just admit that Jim Tressel was just a hell of lot better
coach than LLLLLoyd Carr.The bullcrap you are speading about Jim Tressel calling Justin Turners coaches since JT verbally comitted to Michigan.Let's put it this way,I am a close friend of Justins,infact I have worked with his Mother for about twenty years.Just another lie to spread.I know there are a lot of great Michigan fans that are as passinate about their Wolverines as I am about my Buckeyes,but it seem to me that you are the kind of Michigan fan that brought the saying.You can't spell scum, without UM

[jeffmo]

REDHUNTER1012, I have been a friend of Jim Tressel for over twenty five years.He is an outstanding gentleman and one of the most honest people I have ever known.Maybe it is about time you come up with some facts to prove the lies that you like to spread. I know when your great Michigan team has only beaten him once in the last six years ,that you would have to come up with some excuse as to why you can't beat the Buckeyes.
Try being a man and just admit that Jim Tressel was just a hell of lot better
coach than LLLLLoyd Carr.The bullcrap you are speading about Jim Tressel calling Justin Turners coaches since JT verbally comitted to Michigan.Let's put it this way,I am a close friend of Justins,infact I have worked with his Mother for about twenty years.Just another lie to spread.I know there are a lot of great Michigan fans that are as passinate about their Wolverines as I am about my Buckeyes,but it seem to me that you are the kind of Michigan fan that brought the saying.You can't spell scum, without UM

now THAT is gonna leave a mark!!!!
good going bird!!!!!

[Deehntr56]

A Mark????:yikes:

I just called 911...their on their way with cold compresses and blood clotting medication!!!!:biggrin: :biggrin:

Welcome there BB...Looking forward to more of your participation!!!:biggrin:

[Redhunter1012]

REDHUNTER1012, I have been a friend of Jim Tressel for over twenty five years.He is an outstanding gentleman and one of the most honest people I have ever known.Maybe it is about time you come up with some facts to prove the lies that you like to spread. I know when your great Michigan team has only beaten him once in the last six years ,that you would have to come up with some excuse as to why you can't beat the Buckeyes.
Try being a man and just admit that Jim Tressel was just a hell of lot better
coach than LLLLLoyd Carr.The bullcrap you are speading about Jim Tressel calling Justin Turners coaches since JT verbally comitted to Michigan.Let's put it this way,I am a close friend of Justins,infact I have worked with his Mother for about twenty years.Just another lie to spread.I know there are a lot of great Michigan fans that are as passinate about their Wolverines as I am about my Buckeyes,but it seem to me that you are the kind of Michigan fan that brought the saying.You can't spell scum, without UM

Hey BB, I've already said on here that Lloyd was terrible. The game had passed him by. Maybe if you read back a little bit you'd know that I have been sickened by the attitude in A2 for awhile now. And the fact that your Tressells buddy really makes me value your opinion even more when I'm calling him a cheater and liar. Your so full of it if want me to swallow the fact that all those reports are false. All the lies at YSU and the unreal similarities at O$U are just all lies. He knows how to sidestep the NCAA (especially when they don't wanna bust anybody, just look at USC). Secondly, If you don't think Tressell has called Massillion, one of the top talent producers in the stete, and talked to the coaches about prospective recruits, then who's being naive here? You think when he talks to the coach he's not asking how solid Justin still is? You can come on here and spout about how you and JT swap spit and piss in eachothers boots, but it doesn't change the fact that he's recruited comitted players, then chastised RR for it. Honest huh? How about when he tried lying saying that he voted Texas #1 a couple years ago only to find out that the dumbasses vote is made public and he voted his own team #1? Honest HUH? Your saying honest old JT didn't introduce Mickey Monus to Ray Isaac at YSU. Monus paid Isaac as a player and testified in Federal Cort that Tressell made the call to him and asked he be introduced to his star player. WHAT THE HELL MORE DO YOU BLIND BUCKNUTS WANT? And then in 1998 YSU admitted to a lack of institutional control and accepted scholarship cuts but weren't stripped of their title in 1991 because the NCAA's statute of limitations had expired. So, I guess he's not a cheater because time had expired on him right? LOL

Here's another excerpt about JT's honesty from a Columbus Newspaper:

The Columbus Dispatch reported last year Tressel had said during the national championship season that Dellimuti's name didn't ring a bell. In fact, Tressel had knowledge of Dellimuti before Clarett even played a game. When pressed by ESPN.com, Tressel said he first met Dellimuti in the spring before Clarett's freshman season when Dellimuti introduced himself after practice. "I knew he was a booster of the Warren high school program and a fellow who was very involved with coach McDaniel," Tressel said.


If he's still considered one of the most honest men you know, you need to get out and make new friends;) I basically said yesterday, this bickering on here is getting old and the same recycled accusations about both programs keep coming up. I'll put my feelings out here for all you to read.


1. OSU should beat UM the next 2 years no problem, but anything can happen in a rivalry game

2. OSU is riding a big wave of momentum in recruiting right now directly due to their success which in part speaks volumes about how good a coach JT is.

3. I think if UM wins 8 games this year, it will be a very successful year considering the mass overhaul in sytstems and philosiphy.

4. If we do win 8 games, our recruitng should resemble that of OSU's and ND after their new coaches arrived which would make me happy.

5. As far as RR, in a perfect world he would of finished the season(I put most of the blame on the idiot search comittee at UM for the problems)

6. The other blame for it dragging out goes to the inbred dumbasses at WV for lying and squelching on all the promises they made to RR after he turned down a big offer from Alabama the previous year.

7. As far as us bickering, I think Dee is having too much fun with this, as am I guess. I still think Jethro knows abosolutely DICK about real college athletics and the recruting world. He was riding Dee's coattails on this one:whistle:

8. I think OSU has a good chance of beating USC. Not sure about Boeckman being a leader, but this is a good year to be playing USC early on. I still think OSU will lose one in the Big 10 unless you come up with a Elite deep threat.

9. I will be attending the first game at UM on the 30th. I expect a 2 score win but will be drinking heavily beforehand to kill the pain of any disappointment.



10. I'm expecting a few rebuttals here especially from BB and can respect that he's friends with sweatervest. you guys can say what you want, but I brought plenty of meat about JT and how he's not the choirboy you all think he is. And we can sit here behind the screens and all whine about eachothers
programs till November, but I'd just prefer a few smartass jabs here and there instead of these pissing matches that are getting old. You guys have the ball in your court now.

[jeffmo]

"7. As far as us bickering, I think Dee is having too much fun with this, as am I guess. I still think Jethro knows abosolutely DICK about real college athletics and the recruting world. He was riding Dee's coattails on this one "

right!
hell,i'm having fun too.it's waaaaay too easy.
how was i riding coat tails.all i did was respond to your bs about tressel by showing how worthless riches word is.i even used a same source as you and,according to you, it's still biased against rich.is the entire free press against him? or can't you handle the fact that michigan ended up SETTLING for a lesser coach after les miles wisely turned michigans offer down.
you want to spout of about tressel and ohio state and hear nothing in return.well junior it just isn't gonna work like that as long as i'm posting here.
tell you what,the offer of $100 on "the game" for the next 10 years is back on the table.time to put up or shut up.

btw,michigan fans should always use smaller words.the bigger ones like "abosolutely",as you spelled it,can be tough to get right.

[Redhunter1012]

"7. As far as us bickering, I think Dee is having too much fun with this, as am I guess. I still think Jethro knows abosolutely DICK about real college athletics and the recruting world. He was riding Dee's coattails on this one "

right!
hell,i'm having fun too.it's waaaaay too easy.
how was i riding coat tails.all i did was respond to your bs about tressel by showing how worthless riches word is.i even used a same source as you and,according to you, it's still biased against rich.is the entire free press against him? or can't you handle the fact that michigan ended up SETTLING for a lesser coach after les miles wisely turned michigans offer down.
you want to spout of about tressel and ohio state and hear nothing in return.well junior it just isn't gonna work like that as long as i'm posting here.
tell you what,the offer of $100 on "the game" for the next 10 years is back on the table.time to put up or shut up.

btw,michigan fans should always use smaller words.the bigger ones like "abosolutely",as you spelled it,can be tough to get right.

Here we go again. I said whatever you posted about RR was fine with me. I just pointed out the fact that you referenced a WV paper that has blasted him since it all started. Now Jethro, can you show me where I referenced the same one about Tressell? If you even paid attention, you'd see I said I wanted Miles in the first place. BTW dumbass, did you realize that Tressell was OSU's 5th choice? Anybody coulda said the same thing about him and if I remember correctly, everybody in OSU nation was bitching about missing out on Bellotti and the other choices. But I'm sure you don't remeber back that far because you fit the profile of Born-Again Buckeye fan like half of the other fans that jumped on the bandwagon after 2002.

[Bawana]

If this did happen i think I would be more interested in the NCAA infraction for making contact during a dead time.

[Deehntr56]

Here we go again.I said whatever you posted about RR was fine with me. I just pointed out the fact that you referenced a WV paper that has blasted him since it all started. Now Jethro, can you show me where I referenced the same one about Tressell? If you even paid attention, you'd see I said I wanted Miles in the first place. BTW dumbass, did you realize that Tressell was OSU's 5th choice? Anybody coulda said the same thing about him and if I remember correctly, everybody in OSU nation was bitching about missing out on Bellotti and the other choices. But I'm sure you don't remeber back that far because you fit the profile of Born-Again Buckeye fan like half of the other fans that jumped on the bandwagon after 2002.


Put up or shut up Redwhiner was the challenge....you posted no charges of NCAA infractions or penalties to Tressel....so move on...and grow up!:rolleyes:

Here's your quote......"Here we go again.I said whatever you posted about RR was fine with me. "

It's not fine with you that UM Is not any good...like EVERYONE said earlier...you have to create stories about other teams and coaches, like a kid does and can't accept the fact UM Has S***** for several years.

And it's not only Tressel, you take shots at the recruits he gets, and the excuses on why UM lost the recruits, at other schools like WV......it goes on and on.

Get a team on the field that can compete, with good prgrams like OSU...real simple!!!!


The only bickering that is going on is solely started by you!!!!Review the posts you typed.....wake up there Redwhiner...what your getting from the OSU faitful in return is simple "attitude" adjusting!

[jeffmo]

[QUOTE=Redhunter1012;260060] Now Jethro, can you show me where I referenced the same one about Tressell?

not what i said.i said that you used the same SOURCE,an espn article to TRY TO trash tressel.i used espn and according to you,there was no truth in it.it was just another example of biased reporting against rip rod.i finally got you figured out,you like a rigged game.
your source:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1920867

mine:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3200951

now,it sure as hell looks to me like BOTH articles came from epsn.care to argue that???
you lose again!!!



"But I'm sure you don't remeber back that far because you fit the profile of Born-Again Buckeye fan like half of the other fans that jumped on the bandwagon after 2002."

as usual you're wrong again(i'm seeing a pattern here!)
i've been listening to(back when they were only on the radio) and watching them since i 5 years old,back in 1965.what were you doing back then?
check mate,you lose AGAIN!


btw,the sound of crickets is filling the air again!!

[Birdbrain]

Redhunter,Yes, Jim Tressel is a friend mine and I am darn proud of it.I have been to a lot of colleges on recruiting trips and football camps with players from Massillon.I was even to a football camp in WV when RichRod was there.Never once did I hear a bad comment about Tress.How many NCAA rules violations has he been found guilty of? It seems to me that if he isn't the most honest person I know,he must be the smartest! Just to let you' know, if Ohio State coaches are still after Justin Turner, it would make his Mother very happy to know there is still a chance.She lived in Columbus before she moved to Massillon and although she supports him 100%,she is; and will continue to be a big Buckeye fan! One last thing before I sign off. Although I am a friend of Jim Tressel,I do not swap spit with him.Must be a Michigan thing! Maybe you and RichRod can get together after this years a--whipping by the
Buckeyes and do "your thing", maybe it will bring you and him some comfort!

[Redhunter1012]

God this is a blast! Jethro, what in the hell in that article you brought up did I disagree with. It basically backs up my whole point about the shredding stuff not being true, it even says it in there. Thank you Jethro for posting that. BB, didn't any of you read in the articles I linked about YSU getting stripped of scholarships and woulda been in more trouble had the NCAA's statute of limitations not run out? Or are your guy's scarlet and gray goggles not allowing you to see it there. Or does the NCAA and YSU admitting to a lack of institutional control under JT's watch not qualify as infractions? Dee, I ain't whining about my team at all. I'm very optimistic that we'll be laying to you guys in a couple years, the same way you guys are about your team. You can't handle me being on here talking about my team...That's your problem. As far as JT's mom liking OSU, that was part of the uphill battle of getting him to comitt. But he still chose us over OSU in the end. Don't make it sound like OSU didn't want him so we got him.

[Deehntr56]

God this is a blast! Jethro, what in the hell in that article you brought up did I disagree with. It basically backs up my whole point about the shredding stuff not being true, it even says it in there. Thank you Jethro for posting that. BB, didn't any of you read in the articles I linked about YSU getting stripped of scholarships and woulda been in more trouble had the NCAA's statute of limitations not run out? Or are your guy's scarlet and gray goggles not allowing you to see it there. Or does the NCAA and YSU admitting to a lack of institutional control under JT's watch not qualify as infractions? Dee, I ain't whining about my team at all. I'm very optimistic that we'll be laying to you guys in a couple years, the same way you guys are about your team. You can't handle me being on here talking about my team...That's your problem. As far as JT's mom liking OSU, that was part of the uphill battle of getting him to comitt. But he still chose us over OSU in the end. Don't make it sound like OSU didn't want him so we got him.

http://ts4.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=2143711565431&id=601d789d020e2b55b0f54e7dd39c5202

LMAO...Even harder...back up...you have shown NOTHING...that is why your accusationss are so funny....and we enjoy sitting here watching you get caught in them as you type them!

"Dee, I ain't whining about my team at all. I'm very optimistic that we'll be laying to you guys in a couple years, the same way you guys are about your team. "

Same old same old.....your not whining about yours as much as your still whining about the OTHER TEAMS!!!

LMAO....We can handle you talking about your team...if you would talk intelligently...you starting issues and having smart mouth remarks and make comments and accustations as listed without providing any form of proof(We knew there wasn't any) and pointed that out to you and brought to your attention many times, so you get what you get ...because you enjoy whining and creating stories to make yourself feel better.

Buckeye fans 42, UM Fan 0.

Similar to the real games scores!!!!:biggrin:

"As far as JT's mom liking OSU, that was part of the uphill battle of getting him to comitt. But he still chose us over OSU in the end. Don't make it sound like OSU didn't want him so we got him."

If you understood BB's post correctly there red......he was saying, he would like OSU to still call him, and they haven't...there is a reason for that besides what story you would like to spin!!!!

So tell me once again why did Pryor Choose OSU over UM????:biggrin:

Or the other 4 Recruits that took OSU over UM?

If your answer is the same as the last one....which was.....


"$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$"


You would be corerect!!!!!:yikes:


With selecting OSU....They have a much better chance at having a shot at the NFL and being selected in the NFL draft and being a Pro Player and making THE $$$$$$$$$ you stated........so that one would be the 1st correct statement you have made so far!!!!:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

That is.....unless you rescind that comment from the prior post!!!!

GO BUCKEYES!!!!

[Birdbrain]

Redhunter, Yes, you are right! Justin did chose Michigan over Ohio State due to a lot of Bullshit from RichRod! Yes, I bet RichRod was very happy when Justin's mom called me crying after JT committed. She knows the crap he was handed, but he is only a 17 year old kid,so I guess it's O.K . Remember Redhunter,Justin is a only a verbal comitment and he is only 17years old.Will he change his mind? Who knows,but I know at least two people who are still hoping he will. "IF" he plays for the Wolverines,we will always support him,but when you play the Buckeyes it will always be," MUCK FISHIGAN"
P.S. Justin hates to Lose,so when he sees the kind of season the Wolverines have this year,who knows what will happen.I know you said you would be very happy if you had eight wins this year. Prepare for a very sad winter!!!!!!

[Redhunter1012]

Bull. We win atleast 7 games. The only game against a team with more pure talent is OSU. The rest are tossups, with us being favored against all but OSU, Wisky, Ill, and maybe PSU. I'd say we win atleast 1 of those games, and win at the very least 6 more. As far as Turner goes, your not telling us anything everybody inside the recruiting business already knew with reguards to his parents. In case you haven't checked, yopu guys are absolutely stacked at DB, so I think he sees the better opportunity to play and star at UM.

Dee, I have shown nothing? Tressell losing scholarships for Lack of Institutional control at YSU is nothing? And the NCAA not stripping them because of Statute passing by is nothing? Well then no wonder you guys say he is honest. Hell, bring back the Fab 5 and Webber, Ed Martin and the gang for Michigan then.LOL

Come on Jackasses, answer me. Are you saying him getting busted by the NCAA at Youngstown State for letting players accept gifts is nothing? (the same way he unknowingly let Troy Smith and Clarett accept $$ and gifts at OSU)

Come on. I wanna know if you guys think this is nothing. If him being busted for all this is nothing, then you are right, I have been wrong the whole time. If that is the case, then we are done with these discussions, but if not, I'll keep pointing to the fact that JIM TRESSELL WAS BUSTED BY THE NCAA WHILE AT YOUNGSTOWN STATE FOR A LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL BECAUSE HIS PLAYERS WERE ACCEPTING MONEY FROM SHADY BOOSTERS THAT HE INTRODUCED THEM TO. Hows that for showing something Dee? What else do you want? Bring something that serious to the table about RR and we'll talk. I'm not talking about stupid pics with girls, or calling on WV's phone. Don't even try that weak ass stuff, bring something like what Sweatervest has been BUSTED for. Stay up all night with your Brutus night lite in your scarlett and gray underoos and search the net for something, anything. It's been 3 of you turds trying to get me to lay down and you still keep trying to say you getting the best of me. In fact, you ladies ain't showed nothing about anybody like I have your little hero.

[Deehntr56]

http://ts4.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=2207980650635&id=069845bee0a60b26279d1ca60865623a

Red..I'm done with you, you are out of control, and not worth my time anymore. This will be my last response to any of your posts!!!

Good luck with your team!

[jeffmo]

[QUOTE=Redhunter1012;260223]God this is a blast! Jethro, what in the hell in that article you brought up did I disagree with. It basically backs up my whole point about the shredding stuff not being true, it even says it in there. Thank you Jethro for posting that.QUOTE]

later in that SAME ARTICLE rich states:
During the conference call, Rodriguez insisted he did not contact any Michigan recruits while he was still employed by West Virginia.

now,it's been proven that he did in fact,call michigan recruits on wva's dime!
you call it minor but i call it under-handed because HE LIED ABOUT IT!.

i also stated that i used the SAME SOURCE(espn),not the SAME ARTICLE as you did but you whined saying that it was biased against rich.remember?
even after that i used an article from a michigan source and you complained,after that i copied one from the west coast.that's basically from one end of the country to the other but hey they all JUST DON'T LIKE RICH HUH??

is that enough explaining for you?
btw,i agree with dee!
i'm not gonna get into a battle of the wits with you anymore....it just isn't fair,you're un-armed!!
i keep hearing crickets!!!!!!!!!

[Redhunter1012]

Oh, poor little Dee! When I finally pushed for his answer after I showed the damn truth, he quits. How bout that butt whipping boys! C'mon Jethro, bring something serious. Something like the Cheating Tressell has been busted for! I challenge any of you? I'm out of control huh? Dee, you were the one that was bragging a long time ago about giving to people like me so bad that they quit and you handle guys like me all the time. I just finally out the truth out there and asked for your response and now you go dragging yourself away. What was all that crap you were saying in some of the other post's? Was it how's your butt feeling? You won't be sitting for awhile1 A bunch of stupid stuff like that. Here, let me fix your score board you had:



UM fan: 1
3 Bucknuts: 0

[jeffmo]

well here, let me add this.

$100 on the game for the next 10 years.

show us how much faith you have in the pusserines.

[jeffmo]

copy and paste these links,print them off,then take them to school in the morning and for show and tell have the teacher read them to the entire class.listen to the other kiddies when the teacher asks if mean old rich is a good man or a bad man.if you do then this years class pic will look better than last years!



"http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/200801170675"

"http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3200951"

"http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26404-rich-rodriguez-agent-admits-ties-to-sports-gambling-what-about-the-pitt-game"

"http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080521/SPORTS06/805210421/&imw=Y"


http://www.ohiosportsman.com/photopost/data/500/jokes_school_photo_50_.jpg

[Deehntr56]

Jeff...now thats funny, $100.00......what makes you think he'll take that after putting it out there now...oh 15-20 times!!!!:biggrin: :biggrin:

That pic is a classic!!!

Shhhhhhhhhhhh, do you hear something????

http://images-partners-tbn.google.com/images?q=tbn:VLJgVDz9YG5pdM:www.stickers4less.com/No%2520whining.jpg

[Redhunter1012]

Oh Jethro, you are so awesome! It might as well be a million Dollars. I'm not a very wealthy man. I live comfortably, but I'm not stupid. I already basically conceded the next 2 years as OSU victories. That is your one thing you keep grasping, is that I won't make a $100 bet. What a tool!

[jeffmo]

yes but i'm a tool that has faith enough in his team to back it up with a wager that could hurt if i'm wrong!
that's the difference between a buckeye fan and a pusserine fan!
those damn crickets again!!!

[Redhunter1012]

yes but i'm a tool that has faith enough in his team to back it up with a wager that could hurt if i'm wrong!
that's the difference between a buckeye fan and a pusserine fan!
those damn crickets again!!!

Jethro, you keep saying those crickets, but I ain't been shut up by you turds yet! I've alreadt stated you guys should win, so I'm not sure if you want me to take that $100 and give it to you? Maybe my CC degree made me a little smarter than a OSU graduate, so I think I'll keep my $100. As far as repeating the same old crap like you have, I'm still waiting on any of you to respond to my question. Since I posted the proof of tressell gettion sanctions against his team, I wanted to know if you guys considered that Cheating? I've always considered it cheating, along with the officials at the NCAA. Do you or Dee or Birdbrain consider a LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL CHEATING? It was because his players accepted money from Crooks that he introduced them to?


Chirp....Chirp....Chirp

[jeffmo]

Jethro, you keep saying those crickets, but I ain't been shut up by you turds yet! I've alreadt stated you guys should win, so I'm not sure if you want me to take that $100 and give it to you? Maybe my CC degree made me a little smarter than a OSU graduate, so I think I'll keep my $100. As far as repeating the same old crap like you have, I'm still waiting on any of you to respond to my question. Since I posted the proof of tressell gettion sanctions against his team, I wanted to know if you guys considered that Cheating? I've always considered it cheating, along with the officials at the NCAA. Do you or Dee or Birdbrain consider a LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL CHEATING? It was because his players accepted money from Crooks that he introduced them to?


Chirp....Chirp....Chirp

"alreadt"
now what did i tell you about trying to use those big words???

you say tressel cheated we say he didn't.
we say rich was guilty of some underhanded business you say he wasn't.
so what?
it's okay to cower away from a wager offer and shrivel up when it comes down to backing your team or not.it's just not something ohio state fans would ever dream of doing!

that constant noise is just annoying though!
now,i'm taking dee's lead.............................this is over!

[Deehntr56]

:biggrin: quack,quack..... Jeffmo...Blinders have a purpose on horses, on certain people they just make them see only what they want to see:biggrin: .......we have much more important things in life to do and Hunting and Football season is around the corner.:biggrin: :biggrin:

It is going to be a great weekend coming up........I'll be in NY with my son and friends for some King Salmon fishing and maybe some Lake Trout if we get into them on Friday....lots to do.......lots to do..my Buddy caught a 37LB 8 ouncer 2 years ago...a complete hog of a King.....he didn't enter the fishing Derby for $20.00:(


He lost 1st place and over $4,000:yikes: ...he would of won the derby...beat it by almost 1.5 LBS!!!!:biggrin:

I have a pic somewhere......:biggrin:


.......GO BUCKEYES!!!!!

BUCKS going for 7 out of 8 in 2008!!!!:biggrin:

[jeffmo]

i'm getting a couple of projects finished up around the house so i can free up the fall.i'm taking a week off to do some perching on erie this fall.it took alot of talking but i finally got both my older and younger brother to go.it'll be the 1st time all 3 of us have fished together in probably 20 years or so.it's gonna be one of those trips that stand out over most others.
after that i'm gonna try to put a little hurting on the squirrel population down at the cabin in vinton county with the new savage.
morel shrooms and perch is the best half time food coming or going!

[Deehntr56]

Absolutely....20 years...you will definitely keep that as a memory!!!!They will also.

Those are important.....down the road as you reflect back more so!

I took my son out when he was 14 years old....hunting Deer for the 1st time, after he said he is ready to start hunting...and he scored on his 1st time out.......another great memory. I did tell him, it doesn't always work out as easy as that!!!:biggrin: :biggrin: I have that Pic of him and us on my desk!!!:bouncy:

He has learned that 4 years later...but he has some some really Great Buck opprtunities that I never had when I started hunting already!!!

[Redhunter1012]

"alreadt"
now what did i tell you about trying to use those big words???

you say tressel cheated we say he didn't.
we say rich was guilty of some underhanded business you say he wasn't.
so what?
it's okay to cower away from a wager offer and shrivel up when it comes down to backing your team or not.it's just not something ohio state fans would ever dream of doing!

that constant noise is just annoying though!
now,i'm taking dee's lead.............................this is over!

I follow you guys lead and end it from here on out. As far as $100, I'm not that stupid, atleast for 2 more years:)

[jeffmo]

http://www.ohiosportsman.com/photopost/data/500/crickets.jpg

[Redhunter1012]

Nice:) Thought we were done with it all? I have one final question for you Jethro. Why do you keep referencing Crickets when I've replied everytime? This is the one that kinda baffles me.

[jeffmo]

http://www.ohiosportsman.com/photopost/data/500/crickets.jpg