UM Lineman Bolts to OSU.....

[Deehntr56]

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - The Ohio State-Michigan rivalry is about to get even more interesting, now that former Wolverines player Justin Boren has decided to join the Buckeyes.


Ohio State coach Jim Tressel says Boren plans to put on the scarlet and gray after sitting out the 2008 season as required by NCAA transfer rules.

The sophomore offensive lineman left the Michigan program last month, saying its "family values have eroded" under new coach Rich Rodriguez.

In a statement released through Tressel, Boren says he's looking forward to helping the Buckeyes continue their excellence. Boren went to high school in the Columbus suburb of Pickerington.

Boren would have been the most experienced of Michigan's returning linemen. He started 14 games and played in 18 during his career. His father, Mike, played linebacker at Michigan.

Mike Boren had said his son had been contacted by about 50 schools after announcing he was leaving Michigan.

[Deehntr56]

Michigan spring update.....

Michigan
What option? It's not exactly the Ann Arbor version of West Virginia so far on offense, but that was expected. The big issue has been the inconsistency at quarterback, with Steven Threet hardly looking like a world-beater and walk-on Nick Sheridan having major problems with his short passing game. Neither has been able to come up with anything deep on a consistent basis. In other words, the passing game isn't quite working yet. Even so, at the moment it's Threet 1, Sheridan 2 and David Cone 3. However, Threet simply isn't the perfect fit for what head coach Rich Rodriguez ultimately wants to do, and more than ever it looks like the offense will have to work on a plan B and C before Utah comes to town.

Replacing Hart: Losing Mike Hart isn't a plus, but the running backs have been a major plus so far. Brandon Minor has been quick and effective even when the defense is keying on him, while Kevin Grady appears to be 100 percent after missing all of last year recovering from a knee injury. Also in the mix later this summer will be Carlos Brown, who suffered a broken finger lifting weights. Brown could also see time as a wide receiver if he's not a regular runner.

Everything's open: There have been some major shocks and surprises with some almost-certain starters seeing time with the backups and some sure second and third stringers getting more time than normal with the first teamers. Rodriguez has made it clear that he's simply tinkering with the talent and getting everyone involved, but it still sent up warning flags for the defense and the new system when Terrence Taylor, the All-Big Ten talent who could've left early for the NFL, was playing with the backups. Was the coaching staff sending him a message? Not necessarily, but they do want him to improve.

[Redhunter1012]

I know it sounds like sour grapes, but, Boren quit because he couldn't handle what the new staff is throwing at these guys. He had a sense of entitlement, and thought that it was ridiculous that the coaches were working those guys that hard and making them compete for their spots. You see, in the past Lloyd hardly ever made returning staters work very hard in the spring. The family values comments were because the new staff cusses up a storm at every practice, and are in your face with every mistake, and he couldn't handle it. I sure as hell wish he woulda stayed, but all that crap he and his family spewed about UM just shows their family values.

[Deehntr56]

Boren would have been the most experienced of Michigan's returning linemen. He started 14 games and played in 18 during his career. His father, Mike, played linebacker at Michigan.

Mike Boren had said his son had been contacted by about 50 schools after announcing he was leaving Michigan.

Played in 18 games and you were only a sophomore.....More than 50 schools don't call because you suc*.....Well take him...:woohoo1: .:biggrin:

[lacure]

Red hit the nail on the head...the kid could not handle the up-tempo workouts. I have it from direct sources on the team that he really wussed out and could not hack it. He was a decent starter for the maize and blue and while his experience will be missed, the best thing for this team is to get rid of players like him who cannot handle the pass, do not buy into the system and bad-mouth's his team and, therefore, his teammates.

You'll take him...you can have him. "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions!"

[Fish-n-Fool]

We'll take any guy like Boren at no cost:D Another big body to push around in practice and more depth. Give him a year to work through our S&C program and he might just be up to our standards:coco: Sounds like he is a bit of a baby to me:gaga: If so he'll never make it on our squad either - no room for cry babies in big time college football:tsk:

[Deehntr56]

Or in Borens case, those who leave to become champions!!!:D :D

Boren is a bonafide Lineman, proven at UM that he can play...but he will need to improve to make it at OSU....Much better team with better talent...and the freshman lineman coming in this year will keep him on his toes.

Yes we will take him.....he's good enough, and once improved to OSU standards will add depth.....he turned down scholrship offers at Notre Dame and UCLA to name a few to play at OSU with no scholorship(Conference rules)...just for a chance to play on a Championship team....so in his mind it was a good move...in my mind.....too!

[lacure]

Dee,
To correct you, in his case, "Those who head to osu will be runner-ups!"

You are hilarious...you jump on this kid's "bandwagon" because he is leaving Michigan, but now you knock him down. When I made the point that I was glad to see him go (because of his weak-mindedness and poor attitude), you were quick to tout him as a very good OL, but now, you say he has a lot of work to do if he is going to play at osu. Which is it??? Also, just out of curiosity, who are these "great" lineman that osu has??? I know they have some highly recruited freshmen coming in, but they are freshmen. Who are these returners who are so great in your mind??? I don't keep as close of an eye on osu as you do, but I don't recall osu's OL being anything spectacular last year. I may be wrong, but who are these studs?

[Fish-n-Fool]

Boren isn't chopped liver - he is 6-5, 305lbs and reportedly played with attitude while up north. I believe this to be true - you don't play O line at UM as a freshman unless you are something special.

lacure - to answer your question about who our "studs" are up front:

the short answer is - the same group that pushed your D line up and down your own field at will for 4 quarters last year:D Even while you were putting 8 men in the box!

Yea - we lost one guy out of the starting group and a real good one - Kirk Barton, but we regularly rotated the entire second group all season regardless of the opponent. We've got Alex Boone 6-8 315lbs, Steve Rehring 6-8 345lbs, Jim Cordle @ Center 6-4 302lbs, and Bryant Browning 6-4 311lbs for our starters.

We've got some nasty freshman no doubt - I'll put $20 on Mike Adams earning All American honors if he can stay healthy & Shugarts is battling for playing time this year. We're also on our way to dragging along another 3-4 very highly touted freshman in the 2009 class.

I think given 2008 on our scout team to pick up the plays/blocking schemes and learn technique from Bollman, Boren could battle for a starting job in 2009 when he is eligible. The road won't be easy with the young studs trying to get on the field, but he should have an advantage out of experience and the extra couple years of physical training.

I'll take as many 5 star players as walkons as we can find!

[Deehntr56]

To correct you, in his case, "Those who head to osu will be runner-ups!"

Ahhhh...lest me correct you there lacure...Big Ten Champions, National Champions and 3 Time BCS Playoff appearances in the last 6 years(Something UM has never done) and winners of the last 6 of 7 meetings between us....OSU Rules...and Boren wants to be part of it!!:biggrin:

I didn't knock him down...I think he will be a great addition once he is up and running...remember he came from a team we have dominated for years! I said he added "depth"..I said he would be a nice addition...I said he would help our team...all are 100% correct...I never said he would start...go read every post.....HE may Start...and be a complete stud...then we'll talk some more on how we acquired a NFL star as well!!!

Boren was UM's best Lineman.....we all know that....and he became a Buckeye for free......I would take 10...3-5 star prospects for free any day! He will have his hands full playing with Adams(Freshman) and Shugart when Boren is eligible...and yes Boren is GOOD....He will need to earn his spot on this team......

Fish and Fool is 100% correct...we pushed Michigan around the past few years like we were purre' mash potatoes and Adams as a freshman(haven't even played a game yet) and shugarts are hands above the line UM has right now...Boone is a legidimate top 15 pick next year, if he stays healthy...and we have potentailly 4 players going in the 1st round next year for the NFL Before the 15th pick...loads of talent...Browning should do well this year, and Ebner may play a role as well...depending on how the highly recruited freshman do this summer.....and until proven otherwise...will take 7of the last 8 games this fall in the SHOE!:D

We already have 11 prospects lined up for 2009 vs around 4 for UM...so everyone in the know, wants part of the Tressel Express and BIG TEN CHAMPION BUCKEYE FOOTBALL TEAM:bouncy: :biggrin:

[Redhunter1012]

Cordle weighs 260. This is right from Lichters mouth this past weekend. Coaches are pushing for one of the freshmen to start in front of him this year. You guys have Boone who is a beast. Many UM insiders have admitted he looks way better, like a top 10 pick next year. Person and Rehring are both injured but will most likely be ready for opener. Other than Boone, your guys line is very average, and very thin at Quality depth. Boren is 6'2" in heels also, not 6'5". Quit reading the buckeye programs;) What's funny, is that UM's new S&C coach is arguably the best in the business. Boren woulda made alot more $$$ had he stayed with us, he just didn't want to put forth the effort.

[jeffmo]

Cordle weighs 260. This is right from Lichters mouth this past weekend. Coaches are pushing for one of the freshmen to start in front of him this year. You guys have Boone who is a beast. Many UM insiders have admitted he looks way better, like a top 10 pick next year. Person and Rehring are both injured but will most likely be ready for opener. Other than Boone, your guys line is very average, and very thin at Quality depth. Boren is 6'2" in heels also, not 6'5". Quit reading the buckeye programs;) What's funny, is that UM's new S&C coach is arguably the best in the business. Boren woulda made alot more $$$ had he stayed with us, he just didn't want to put forth the effort.

"Quit reading the buckeye programs;)"

i guess we should simply take your word as the gospel when it comes to osu football??? no thanks,i have my own sources.
shoot,i thought that you worked for u of m as much as you say "we" and "us" when you talk about them!


i couldn't find any source that listed him less than 295!
cordle will start again this year.take that to the bank.that kid is a very smart ball player who's also fast.see,i have a little inside info. on him.i ran track & pole vaulted with his dad and his mom was a good friend in high school and college at ohio u. that kid will play on sundays in a couple of years.
you guys talk about boren like he's some kind of slug.funny but he sure was good enough to wear that damn ugly uniform up there AND play but now that he's a buckeye all of a sudden he's worthless and can't handle the workouts up there!!!!!:coco:
i'd say he just got tired of playing for such a piss poor program,nothing less!
if that's you guys biggest gripe up there this year it should be the best season in a looooooong time!
let's cut through the b.s.,who wants to put their money where their mouth is and put a bet on the game this year???????????

[Redhunter1012]

That would be stupid to bet on the game. By all accounts, you guys should beat us for atleast the next 2 years. After that, it's a crapshoot. I never said Boren sucked or anything like that. He quit on the team and threw everyone under the bus because he couldn't handle the workouts and being cussed out. Physically, he is a dominating player. Other than Boone, he'd be your best OL if he was playing this year. He'll probably be an All American before he leaves C-Bus. If you know the Cordles so well, then you'd know he has troubles putting on weight. The kid is a very heady player, but, his job is anything but set in stone. This is all straight from Lichters mouth. And you keep talking about me using "us" or "we". So what! I pay money to the University for their Inside info on their sports Programs. I'm a huge fan. I have met many other members at games and such. We are all very good friends. Some have connections to players that we all get to talk to now and then. I'm not ashamed to say it. It's mostly out of habit. I say it when I talk about "MY" Browns as well:biggrin:

[lacure]

Dee,
I hope you and all of the rest of osu people believe Boren was UM's best OL. Hopefull, sweatervest (AKA wine cooler consumer...I love that one) believes the same. Oh yeah, you must have forgotten about that #1 NFL draft pick, Jake Long...I guess boren is better than him, right? Oh, before you even try to go there, Golsten will be lucky to be top 10...he had 1 sack agains Long (great play on Golsten's part)...other than that, Long OWNED him...that is why he went to the other side (and had success) in last year's game.

Keep trying.

[jeffmo]

Dee,
I hope you and all of the rest of osu people believe Boren was UM's best OL. Hopefull, sweatervest (AKA wine cooler consumer...I love that one) believes the same. Oh yeah, you must have forgotten about that #1 NFL draft pick, Jake Long...I guess boren is better than him, right? Oh, before you even try to go there, Golsten will be lucky to be top 10...he had 1 sack agains Long (great play on Golsten's part)...other than that, Long OWNED him...that is why he went to the other side (and had success) in last year's game.

Keep trying.

okay,i'll try!!!........................who................. ........won????????????????

it's V-e-r-n-o-n G-h-o-l-s-t-o-n,here's a hint....6th pick new york has their eye on him.

hey.....what happened to hart? you guys DO remember him don't you????? where's he gonna be drafted? oh yeah,never mind he ended up stinking the joint up didn't he?

is the record shredders name still a 4 letter word in wva???

[Redhunter1012]

You have no one on your team with have the balls as Mike Hart. He's a great RB in college. It's too bad NFL is all about physical attributes. Because of that, Hart will go anywhere from rounds 4-6. Steroid Boy (AKA Gholston) is already being overdrafted. Even most Buckeye insiders said at the end of last season that he would be 1 player that would be overdrafted this year due to his freakish athleticism (Steroids). I'll bet anyone here an all expense paid guided fishing trip on the Maumee River for Walleye that he'll be busted for drugs within 3 years on a pee test.

[jeffmo]

You have no one on your team with have the balls as Mike Hart. He's a great RB in college. It's too bad NFL is all about physical attributes. Because of that, Hart will go anywhere from rounds 4-6. Steroid Boy (AKA Gholston) is already being overdrafted. Even most Buckeye insiders said at the end of last season that he would be 1 player that would be overdrafted this year due to his freakish athleticism (Steroids). I'll bet anyone here an all expense paid guided fishing trip on the Maumee River for Walleye that he'll be busted for drugs within 3 years on a pee test.

well you michigan fans are great at making excuses i'll give you that.now the nfl is the reason for harts demise!!
are you gonna seriously try to say that hart is a great player?????
he really looked great against ohio state last year:
18 att 44 yds 2.4 avg 0 td
sizzling stats for a player with such balls and playing in the big rivalry game huh?
wells was 222 yds on 39 carries i believe.

i've said it before and i'll say it again,if his football abilities were 1/2 as good as his mouthing abilities then he'd be a 1st round pick.
he's a nobody and won't make it in the nfl!!!

[jeffmo]

Dee,
Oh, before you even try to go there, Golsten will be lucky to be top 10...he had 1 sack agains Long (great play on Golsten's part)...other than that, Long OWNED him...that is why he went to the other side (and had success) in last year's game.

Keep trying.

hey!
any idea of just exacly what number draft pick vern was??????
good try but well,you're wrong again!

[deerhunt45]

Even most Buckeye insiders said at the end of last season that he would be 1 player that would be overdrafted this year due to his freakish athleticism (Steroids).

I don't like to hear that news...Really??? I thought it was from just working out :rolleyes: ;)

As soon as the labs learn to analyze for a certain steriod compound or hormone, a new as yet "undetectable" one is invented.

[Redhunter1012]

Although it's not fair to Gholston, it's widely speculated by most that he is a product on Juicing. Hell, I don't know more than anyone else about it. But, I know that he has the classic signs of it. A freakish looking upper body, and a dinky lower body. Veins that stick out like crazy. I've known several athletes that were juicing and they all had the same characteristics. Jeffmo, your such a tool. You point out one game that Hart didn't do well. Nevermind the fact that he had a high ankle sprain that kept him out the 2 weeks prior. Our whole offense was terrible that game. Just because Hart might not be a good pro, doesn't mean he isn't a great player. Troy Smith probably won't amount to crap either, but I would consider him a great player. Katzenmoyer, Terrell from UM, Peter Warrick, Jason White, Eric Crouch, Craig Krenzel. All great players that had lackluster NFL careers. There is no denying that Mike Hart is/was a great college player. Talking about mouthing off, most players do it. That's just what he does to get himself fired up. David Boston used to do it. Brett farve does it. Michael Jordan did it. That's just a lame excuse to try and belittle him as a player. And for as good as beenie and the OSU offense did, and as great as you brag them up to be, they sure as hell didn't light up the scoreboard that day.

[Deehntr56]

Gholston #6.....again the expert was wrong I see!!!:biggrin: :biggrin:

Henne woun't do anything in the NFL...He didn't so anything in college.

Hart has guts, but he couldn't run...so we have another bust there

[Redhunter1012]

Gholston #6.....again the expert was wrong I see!!!:biggrin: :biggrin:

Henne woun't do anything in the NFL...He didn't so anything in college.

Hart has guts, but he couldn't run...so we have another bust there

All opinions. I actually thing Gholston will do good as a pass rush specialist. He really does lack any lower body strength to stand up against the run in the NFL. Granted Henne never beat OSU, the coaches at UM didn't give those guys much in the way of playcalling. Henne as more NFL ability in 1 finger than the last 10 Buckeye QB's combined. Not sure you can call Hart a bust when you don't know where he'll be drafted. Although he's my 2nd favorite wolverine of all time, I don't see him being really successful in the NFL. UM overused him in college. His number of carries was just ungodly. You could see it took it's toll by the end of this season. Not that Hart was as good, but it reminds you of the way Eddie goerge took a beating at OSU then Tennesee in the NFL. All that abuse really ended his career too soon.

[Deehntr56]

Ahhhhhhhhh, when lacure says he won't go before #10, and Gholston goes at #6...it ain't even close to Opinions...it is FACT.....Something UM faithfuls really have a hard time understanding.:biggrin:

[lacure]

This is fun...keep it up.

Golston went higher than I expected (and I am no expert), but I don't thing he is an "every down" nfl player. We will see.

Now, here is a bet I am more than happy to take...Henne will have a MUCH better and longer career than golston will ever dream of. If you don't think so, let me know the wager.

Dee, again, I am disappointed to see you making such an $ss of yourself...you normally have good insight. If you don't think Henne will do anything in the nfl (and he did "nothing" in college), you truly know much less about football than I thought. Let me ask you an honest question...do you think beockman (sp?) is a better qb than Henne? The answer to this question will say alot about your football acumen (and, again, I think highly of your insight).

[Deehntr56]

Now you have me....ROTFLMAO(Rolling on the floor Laughing my A** off).

Yeah he's better than Henne...he beat him!:biggrin:

This is too easy!

And none of us needs to play your game of your answer tells us about yourself....you already have done that for all of us..... we are just so much further above this at this point:biggrin:

Keep working on it and your football facts!

[jeffmo]

is todd boeckman better than henne?
not sure(can you beleive that coming from me???)but,here's the thing,i don't think you can fairly compare the 2 until todds final year.then the stats would tell the tale.
imho,boeckman needs to realize 1 major thing.long is far better than short when throwing the deep ball.if you're reciever can't catch it make sure the guy defending him can't either.

[Redhunter1012]

Boeckman isn't even on Henne's level. Don't compare head to head. Those were determined by the better team. You are fooling yourselves if you think Todd is better. He had a better team and coach, but not better ability. It's not even close. You guys need to remove your scarlet and gray glasses.

[Deehntr56]

Hmmmmmmmmm, let me see...Henne went to (0) National Championship games, Boeckman went to 1 already in his 1st year.

Henne is 0-nada against OSU in his 4 attempts....Boeckman is 1-0.

Henne stats......

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004 240 399 2743 60.2 6.88 69 25 12 29 132.56
2005 223 382 2526 58.4 6.61 54 23 8 21 129.61
2006 203 328 2508 61.9 7.65 69 22 8 24 143.37
2007 162 278 1938 58.3 6.97 65 17 9 16 130.54



Boeckman stats...

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RATING

2007 191 299 2379 63.9 7.96 68 25 14 18 148.95


I don't see any year Henne had a higher rating than Boeckman......Yep...not on the same level.....:whistle: :biggrin:

[jeffmo]

wow!!!!! smoked like a


http://www.ohiosportsman.com/photopost/data/500/ham.jpg

[V.P.]

All opinions. I actually thing Gholston will do good as a pass rush specialist. He really does lack any lower body strength to stand up against the run in the NFL. Granted Henne never beat OSU, the coaches at UM didn't give those guys much in the way of playcalling. Henne as more NFL ability in 1 finger than the last 10 Buckeye QB's combined. Not sure you can call Hart a bust when you don't know where he'll be drafted. Although he's my 2nd favorite wolverine of all time, I don't see him being really successful in the NFL. UM overused him in college. His number of carries was just ungodly. You could see it took it's toll by the end of this season. Not that Hart was as good, but it reminds you of the way Eddie goerge took a beating at OSU then Tennesee in the NFL. All that abuse really ended his career too soon.

Follow link...

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...weak lower body. You might try another angle to cut down VG.

[Fish-n-Fool]

Where to start:confused:

Red - not sure where you are reading info on Cordle, but it isn't good. Everybody gets info from "insider" message boards from Bucknuts and Scout, etc. Don't belive everything you hear on there or message boards to be true. Cordle actually showed up at spring @ 305lbs in shape. He has had trouble keeping his weight up in the past, but hasn't been in the 260 range lately - that is crazy talk. Regardless of his weight - he is a starter end of story. The guy did a great job last year and played with a broken hand most of the year. When he broke his hand he switched to his other hand to snap and never missed a beat. With a year under his belt he should be great this year at making reads on the line.

TB Vs. Henne - When both college careers are over, TB will have won more big games and have a higher QB rating no doubt. Henne piled up completion and yard stats and won a lot of games, but lost the big games and obviously was 0-4 Vs Buckeyes. Both have strong arms and NFL size. I like Henne in the NFL - I think he has a chance to be a starter. Henne has all the tools and can make the throws - he hasn't proved he can play his best under pressure, but that can change. To early to tell on TB in NFL, but IMO he needs to make big improvements before I would think he will play in the NFL.

Gohlston - Roids or no roids; nobody knows that, but him (and the NCAA at certain snap shots in the year). Certainly you don't know that and to say because a guy is ripped and has veins everywhere means he is on juice is plain stupid. I've seen and known many guys that look just like Vernon (maybe smaller in stature and less athletic) who never touched anything. It is easy to pick on one team's elite player. I could just as easily state Long is on juice - how else could a guy that size move so fast - nobody else does??? Instead I believe elite guys are freaks AND work very hard. Sure there are drugs in sports, but to claim all the elite college athletes are juicing isn't right.

And as far as the match up - Vernon did well against Long when matched up. He beat him for a sack and also beat him on inside moves twice and made a play on the ball carier. It is just smart coaching to move him over against your other guys knowing they couldn't contain him at all - he ran on them liked a caged lion while Long was working hard to contain the other side. I'm sure Boren remembers him well and you guys had to pull somebody else because he was hopeless out there.

I think both these guys will play in the NFL and both have the potential to be good players.

[Redhunter1012]

Overall quality wins will go to TB. But talent wise, it's not a contest. Whether Henne can put the mind with the body is the question. The whole situation with Cordle I can explain. I know what the buckeye people report as weight, but I have a D1 coach who I talk to alot. He was at the spring extravaganza at OSU and was talking to Lichter. Lichter told him personally that Cordle was at 260 coming in spring and having a hell of a time putting on GOOD weight. Lichter had been spending extra time with him on Nutrition and different excercises. Now, this is all secondhand info, so I may be misinformed. Everything else this guy has given me has been 100% true before. And as far as starting, the coaches were actually hoping some of the freshmen were ready to platoon at critical times this year. They are worried about Cordle holding up though. I do admit, he is a very good player. I don't see a problem with smaller centers anyway. Usually they have a hell of a mean streak that levels the playing field anyhow.

[Deehntr56]

Well...your source is off...cordle never came in at 260......we can wager on that too if ya like.

Cordle will be fine, with his hand healed he will kick some major tail on defenders this year...he's been benching in the top 2 of all lineman and picked up his speed a tenth of a second...the man will be an animal.....and pretty well pancake any Michigan Defender and other Big Ten Defenders before Boren does when he plays.

Line is deep already.....next year it will be so deep, that there isn't a defense out there able to stay all 4 quarters with Tressel roatating Round 1 and 2 Prospects in the NFL draft......and with pryor and saine...It will be lights out.:biggrin:

Man that smoked ham smells good tonight!:biggrin:

[Redhunter1012]

So Cordle will pancake Terrance Taylor? OK. You're right. Take the weight argument up with Lichter then, my guy stands behind what he told me. You have 1 1st rounder starting on OL, that's Boone. Dee, you're not as awesome as jeffmo, but nonetheless entertaining with those scarlet and gray goggles you refuse to take off.:)

[jeffmo]

Dee, you're not as awesome as jeffmo
well shucks,now i've got that warm & fuzzy feeling!!!:D :D :D

[Deehntr56]

I know....I didn't want to completely smoke you like the Henne answer...so I just responded similarly to how we get responded to sometimes when your wearing the maize and Blue coke bottle Sunglasses.:biggrin:

Jeffmo...looks like your the man.....How's that smoked Ham taste?

[jeffmo]

it's far better than crow!!:bouncy: :bouncy:

[CritterGitter]

For crying out loud guys! What has this thread become? My favorite player will be better than your favorite player later at a different level and playing on different teams and even different sides of the ball?!?!?!?!?

:confused:

Kyle

[Redhunter1012]

For crying out loud guys! What has this thread become? My favorite player will be better than your favorite player later at a different level and playing on different teams and even different sides of the ball?!?!?!?!?

:confused:

Kyle

I was just comparing Boeckman to Henne. Pure talent wise, Boeckman couldn't carry Henne's jock. Overall production is a different story. So many other variables come into play, like how terrible UM's offensive philosophy was. Even the ESPN draft guys more or less said Henne wasn't in a position to succeed that last 2 years because of our offense. But I'm sure someone will come on here and tell me how much more talented Boeckman is. I'll admit he's been more productive, but that's about it. He won't go in the first 4 rounds next year.

[Deehntr56]

Easy now CG....Don't lose your cool....a Moderator may have to mediate!!:)

You can't compare Henne and Boeckman and say he won't go before the 4th round...you have only seen him for 1 year...I have seen henne for 4 and he doesn't impress me at all...he has had some good games but that's it. Hasn't won too many "Big" games in his career and struggles with decisions under stress. Boeckman accomplished a lot more...look at the results of each player....Ability plays a role along with capability and athleticism.

Now we can compare apples to apples and compare 1st years...if we do that...Boeckman wins, now those are the facts of the game.

Henne stats......

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RATING
2004 240 399 2743 60.2 6.88 69 25 12 29 132.56
2005 223 382 2526 58.4 6.61 54 23 8 21 129.61
2006 203 328 2508 61.9 7.65 69 22 8 24 143.37
2007 162 278 1938 58.3 6.97 65 17 9 16 130.54



Boeckman stats...

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RATING

2007 191 299 2379 63.9 7.96 68 25 14 18 148.95

In that disection of results Boeckman is a better player with the potential in his 2nd year to do really well and catapult into a Top prospect......and with what we have so far...I'll go out on a llimb and say...if Boeckman has another good year, and has a solid year in production, and builds on his 1st year and does well....and "if" he gets to the National Title game and wins it.....He will garnish some Big dollars in the NFL....

He also would of accomplished a lot more than Henne did. We can revisit this at the end of year and see how close I come.....but there will be a lot more Draft Picks from OSU in the NFL draft once again in 2009.:biggrin:

[jeffmo]

is todd boeckman better than henne?
not sure(can you beleive that coming from me???)but,here's the thing,i don't think you can fairly compare the 2 until todds final year.then the stats would tell the tale.
imho,boeckman needs to realize 1 major thing.long is far better than short when throwing the deep ball.if you're reciever can't catch it make sure the guy defending him can't either.

i was pretty neutral because boeckman has only had one year.the only way you could compare them fairly would be to compare both of their stats from their 1st year.

[CritterGitter]

I'm not moderating anything here. I am just confused. You guys go from talking about QB's to RB's to DL's and OL's???????

I am lost!

I love to talk football, but this is all crazy. lol


:confused: :coco: :dizzy: :16suspect1:

Kyle

[Deehntr56]

I know what your saying CG......we sometimes bounce from Subject to subject and change our minds so fast we lose our focus...get derailed onto another subject..start talking about something else.....just like a woman:biggrin: ...I see your point!!!:coolgleamA: :biggrin: :bouncy:

[Redhunter1012]

Easy now CG....Don't lose your cool....a Moderator may have to mediate!!:)

You can't compare Henne and Boeckman and say he won't go before the 4th round...you have only seen him for 1 year...I have seen henne for 4 and he doesn't impress me at all...he has had some good games but that's it. Hasn't won too many "Big" games in his career and struggles with decisions under stress. Boeckman accomplished a lot more...look at the results of each player....Ability plays a role along with capability and athleticism.

Now we can compare apples to apples and compare 1st years...if we do that...Boeckman wins, now those are the facts of the game.

Henne stats......

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RATING
2004 240 399 2743 60.2 6.88 69 25 12 29 132.56
2005 223 382 2526 58.4 6.61 54 23 8 21 129.61
2006 203 328 2508 61.9 7.65 69 22 8 24 143.37
2007 162 278 1938 58.3 6.97 65 17 9 16 130.54



Boeckman stats...

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RATING

2007 191 299 2379 63.9 7.96 68 25 14 18 148.95

In that disection of results Boeckman is a better player with the potential in his 2nd year to do really well and catapult into a Top prospect......and with what we have so far...I'll go out on a llimb and say...if Boeckman has another good year, and has a solid year in production, and builds on his 1st year and does well....and "if" he gets to the National Title game and wins it.....He will garnish some Big dollars in the NFL....

He also would of accomplished a lot more than Henne did. We can revisit this at the end of year and see how close I come.....but there will be a lot more Draft Picks from OSU in the NFL draft once again in 2009.:biggrin:

Well there should be alot more. Considering all that we had leave this year and you had stay. Way to overstate the obvious. And Henne's first year was as a True Freshmen, Boeckman is a 3rd year Jr.

[Deehntr56]

Absolutely!!!!!:biggrin: ...we have a lot of talent and lead the Big Ten in NFL recruits that go to the NFL and are drafted and drafted in the 1st round!!!:biggrin: :biggrin:

No overstating...just the facts, year in and year out!

BIG TEN
School Picks First-round picks Most recent first-round pick
Illinois 15 0 1996 (OLB Kevin Hardy)
Indiana 5 0 19 94 (WR Thomas Lewis)
Iowa 26 3 2006 (LB Chad Greenway)
Michigan 38 7 2007 (CB Leon Hall)
Michigan State 28 4 2003 (WR Charles Rogers)
Minnesota 17 2 2006 (RB Laurence Maroney)
Northwestern 13 2 2005 (DT Luis Castillo)
Ohio State 59 13 2007 (WR Ted Ginn Jr.**)
Penn State 31 8 2007 (OT Levi Brown)
Purdue 27 1 2007 (DE Anthony Spencer)
Wisconsin 36 8 2007 (OT Joe Thomas)
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[Deehntr56]

The "Boren Brothers"...I like the ring to that!!!:biggrin: