Will Pryor be a Buckeye???

[Deehntr56]

Terell Pryor, Quarterback from Jeanette High School in Pa. and the #1 Rated and recruited player in the country will decide within a week if he will be a Buckeye, Wolverine, Duck or Nittany Lion.:confused:

Will the Buckeyes land him???:D

Will he be as good as they are saying????

I watched him in 2 games........;)

[TheCream]

I know these kinds of sources aren't always the most credible, but a good friend of mine who has family in the athletic department says yes, Mr. Pryor will be a Buckeye.

It will be great if we get him, but it would be even better just because Michigan didn't get him! :mischeif:

[stumphole 2]

he isn't going to oregon or penn state. it is between osu and mich. I am a mich fan and it would automatically be "his" team, but I don't have my breath held I have a feeling he will be in Columbus. OSU is stacked this year and Mich only came on his radar because of RR. I can hope but I don't think it will happen.

[TheCream]

he isn't going to oregon or penn state. it is between osu and mich. I am a mich fan and it would automatically be "his" team, but I don't have my breath held I have a feeling he will be in Columbus. OSU is stacked this year and Mich only came on his radar because of RR. I can hope but I don't think it will happen.

I was reading a Big Ten projection article online a few weeks ago, and I had no idea that Michigan's cupboard was going to be this empty in Rich's first year. No QB, very little experience at RB, WR, T, LB, DB...they have a lot to replace.

[stumphole 2]

Totally destroyed. i think you all will be next year but I am just hoping for a decent bowl bid, which is VERY wishful thinking. Take our lumps from you all again this year and maybe get a decent qb if prior doesn't come. We are decemated (sp). Not going to be a good year but it is football and I can't wait for the season to start. I just wish he would make a decision and everyone can go from there. With this being the first year for a spead offense it will be ugly. I am a fan but I am a logical one. So many people talk with their heart and not their head. I will be the first to admitt the weakness of my team or any team for that matter. I guess we all just have to hurry up and wait type thing.

[TheCream]

I was just told a while ago that he makes his official decision at noon today!

[stumphole 2]

Wow we will know the fate of mich at noon then. Thanks for the info creamy. I am sure espn will be covering it.


espn.com

[stumphole 2]

http://recruiting.scout.com/2/738642.html

Here is the link

[chopiq]

As a Buckeye fan i'm hoping he will come here but he wants to start right away and I'm afraid at OSU he will have to wait a year or two. My bet would be he goes to that team up North.

[stumphole 2]

Did you all read the link? I thought it was a good article. I don't really know what kind of person he is. If he wants to start right away then obv. michigan, but will OSU try to make him into a pocket passer like smith? I don't know what to think, I know what I want but that hasn't been granted the last 4 yrs so i am not holding my breath. Info has been very limited on this kid. I have been scanning the www for months now trying to get an idea of what he wants as a college football player. I am pretty sure he wants to play basketball as well so that may be a hinderance one way or another. i don't know if either school would like him playing but then again I don't know that they would tell him he couldn't either. What say you?

[TheCream]

As a Buckeye fan i'm hoping he will come here but he wants to start right away and I'm afraid at OSU he will have to wait a year or two. My bet would be he goes to that team up North.

I agree COMPLETELY. I see no chance for Pryor starting over Boeckman with the year he had last year and his experience, and then when he leaves you have Antonio "What does $20 get me" Henton who looked very good when I have seen him in mop-up duty. Oh, and that big gun-slinger from Cincinnati, Schoenhoft, I hear has potential. I can easily see Pryor redshirting his Freshman year (if he would agree to it), seeing special package plays his Redshirt Freshman year, then having the starting role all for himself as a Sophomore. Schoenhoft or Henton may transfer (only my guess) since one of them will probably never see the field.

[stumphole 2]

I agree COMPLETELY. I see no chance for Pryor starting over Boeckman with the year he had last year and his experience, and then when he leaves you have Antonio "What does $20 get me" Henton who looked very good when I have seen him in mop-up duty. Oh, and that big gun-slinger from Cincinnati, Schoenhoft, I hear has potential. I can easily see Pryor redshirting his Freshman year (if he would agree to it), seeing special package plays his Redshirt Freshman year, then having the starting role all for himself as a Sophomore. Schoenhoft or Henton may transfer (only my guess) since one of them will probably never see the field.


Man osu cannot recuit any better. year in year out they come up with great athelete. A true testament to the school. I would love to have that problem.

[stumphole]

Well the answer is he took the podium with an OSU hat....:yikes:

[stumphole]

Buckeyes....

[MagnumMudMan]

Buckeye nation!

[chopiq]

Surprises me. Hope he pans out and is as good as they say.

[Redhunter1012]

Pryor is a stud. He woulda announced for OSU on National Signing Day if not for his wheelchair bound father who really wanted him to go to PSU. He''ll not start this year, but will beat out Henton the following year for sure. Expect OSU to use him like Florida used Tebow his Freshmen year. Michigan will be carried by their defense this year. You can expect a 7-5 or 8-4 season. The rivalry will be much better in a couple years, as Rich Rod recruits much the same as Sweatervest.. Speed, speed, speed. Make the defense defend the whole field. Now that Pryor has chosen, you'll see this upcoming seasons top duel-threat QB's lining up to play for UM.

[TheCream]

Great to have Mr. Pryor's services for a few years. Like I said before, even though it is great to have him, I love that Michigan didn't get him. That leaves them with a mess of a QB situation! If he turns out anything like a Vince Young or Troy Smith or some hybrid of the two, I will be very, VERY pleased. :coolgleamA:

[Redhunter1012]

Has alot of potential. I'd say he is more advanced than Vince Young was at this point in his development, but from here on out, who knows? What really helps him is the badass O-Linemen OSU recruited this year. All of them are absolue beast's.

[lacure]

As a Michigan fan, I say thank goodness this guy choose osu. Whether he is as good as predicted will remain to be seen, but I went to grad school in Western PA and know alot of local high school coaches (I coached wrestling at the NCAA Div. I level and recruited W. PA hard...most of the wrestling coaches also coach football)...a couple of them have mentioned that this kid is a problem waiting to happen...supposedly, he has had all kinds of legal "issues" that were covered up due to his "status." He also struggles in school (there was even talk that he was having a hard time getting accepted at Michigan...very high academic standards) and has an ego the size of the state of Ohio. Obviously, this is all "rumor" and heresay, but I am not sure if I want that kind of person representing U of M.

Now, he is young and if anyone can shape him up, Tressel can. However, the worst thing that could happen to a team that is in as bad of shape as Michigan is, is to get some young, cocky QB who wants to call his own shots.

I just wonder how well he will take sitting his first year or two and then earning the starting spot in a predominately "pocket" passing offense???

All the best, but I hope for osu's sake he does not end up in the headlines for a legal issue before he even puts on a uniform.

Now before all you osu faithful jump down my throat, I will say that if he had choosen Michigan, I would have supported him, but looked at him as anyone else....he has to earn his spot and represent the university like a Michigan Man. Hope he does well...it will be good for the Big 10.

[TheCream]

He may have some issues, but it seems a lot of high-profile players have them. McFadden possibly accepted things he shouldn't have at Arkansas, Reggie Bush apparently received a lot of cash at USC, even Troy Smith got into trouble. I think (and hope) JT can keep him on the straight and narrow.

Just one comment about the offense, though, I don't think it is quite as "drop back QB" as you think. In Troy Smith's time at QB, there were a lot of designed runs for him early on. Even in his senior season when he won the Heisman, there were fewer "run first" plays but a lot of rollouts and plays where he as the QB was required to move and throw on the run. Even Boeckman this past year rolled out of the pocket a lot. I think that is something JT and Bollman do as well as anybody, and that is tailor the offense and the game plan to the talent and strengths of the team. The great thing right now is that the RB talent is very good so there is always that safety net for a young QB with Brandon Saine, Beanie Wells (maybe just for one more year), and Boom Herron. JT claims Brandon Saine is the best RB he has had there, and that is saying a lot.

[coonskinner]

he's gonna split for the nfl soon as he can...:D

[Deehntr56]

Michigan fans are just real jealous once again. They not only have lost many games to the #1 Buckeyes, now they are losing the recruiting wars as well.

Pryor, based on reports that I have received has no legal issues at this point. His major opportunity will be with the status recently, whether he will be able to stay clean, and not to get into trouble...it comes with the territory. He will go pro as a junior...and he will play a lot going into the back half of next years season......Michigan and the rest of the Big ten...sit back and watch how this kid can play!!:D

I would rather have him though vs. Rodriquez who carried a lot of issues to Michigan..including a integrity problem, along with dumping his team and flying the coop the way he did from West Virginia.:tsk:

I will bet that played a part in Terelle's decision as well, since Tressel has more class that that and has a good reputation.

Buckeyes garnished a major coop here......this class is loaded...Michigan has very little talent at many positions next year, and this loss is going to haunt them even more.:D

GO BUCKEYES!!!!!

[Deehntr56]

Oh...the offense...it will be tailored to the 4.3 speed and the arm of pryor...Tressel operates that way!!!

Look at Troy Smith and Ginn when they were here!:D

[deerhunt45]

He may have some issues, but it seems a lot of high-profile players have them. McFadden possibly accepted things he shouldn't have at Arkansas, Reggie Bush apparently received a lot of cash at USC, even Troy Smith got into trouble. I think (and hope) JT can keep him on the straight and narrow.

Just one comment about the offense, though, I don't think it is quite as "drop back QB" as you think. In Troy Smith's time at QB, there were a lot of designed runs for him early on. Even in his senior season when he won the Heisman, there were fewer "run first" plays but a lot of rollouts and plays where he as the QB was required to move and throw on the run. Even Boeckman this past year rolled out of the pocket a lot. I think that is something JT and Bollman do as well as anybody, and that is tailor the offense and the game plan to the talent and strengths of the team. The great thing right now is that the RB talent is very good so there is always that safety net for a young QB with Brandon Saine, Beanie Wells (maybe just for one more year), and Boom Herron. JT claims Brandon Saine is the best RB he has had there, and that is saying a lot.

Great post. Pryor will have to compete and earn any playing time this year. He could have chosen Michigan and most likely played big time there this season (no red shirt) because of the lack of quality QB's up there. I like his choice, it shows confidence not only in himself but in the Ohio State University and Coach Jim Tressel. It will be his most expedious way to the NFL, OSU knows how to educate and prepare athletes to make fortunes playing football.

Sweater vests are back in style in Ohio :)

[Deehntr56]

You are absolutely correct.

Tressel has created a program that has garnished many looks from the pros. He has been able to recruit highly rated players, year in and year out.

You also need and act score of mid 20's to get into OSU...So don't think their education program is lackluster.....:D

Terelle came here since his supporting cast coming in, and currently the ones there are some of the top rated players in the country, in many positions.

Michigan is lacking many quality players in the running back, quarterback, and skilled positions to be able to stay with the top teams in the country...it will be a few years...maybe more before they will be competitive...maybe they will be a surprise..who knows......but I like the Buckeyes at this point....especially with most of the juniors coming back next year, that could of left for the pros.....tells you even more about Tressel and the program!:biggrin: :bouncy:

[Redhunter1012]

You are absolutely correct.

Tressel has created a program that has garnished many looks from the pros. He has been able to recruit highly rated players, year in and year out.

You also need and act score of mid 20's to get into OSU...So don't think their education program is lackluster.....:D

Terelle came here since his supporting cast coming in, and currently the ones there are some of the top rated players in the country, in many positions.

Michigan is lacking many quality players in the running back, quarterback, and skilled positions to be able to stay with the top teams in the country...it will be a few years...maybe more before they will be competitive...maybe they will be a surprise..who knows......but I like the Buckeyes at this point....especially with most of the juniors coming back next year, that could of left for the pros.....tells you even more about Tressel and the program!:biggrin: :bouncy:

I was being nice in this whole post, so I didn't stir up too much stuff, but hell with it. First of all, there are tons of rumors that have been floating around about OSU and PSU getting into a bidding war for Pryors services. Nothing direct with pryor, but a very close businessman from Jeanette who has lots of ties to OSU boosters. Also, Pryor has had many run in's with the law as Lacure said, but gotten out of it because of his status. Over the past 3 weeks, he has gotten into 2 differentphysical altercations on the basketball court, which in part were escalated by other parties. Where do you get off on saying UM has little talent at the skill positions? The one thing we're lacking is an established QB. If you wanna say we'll be inexperienced due to a new offense, then I'll agree. But we have 3 Rb's returning that have all been High School All Americans and played lots of snaps in college. 1 returning starter at WR but 2 returning that played significant time last year. 3 returning O-Linemen. And talking like Rich Rod has integrity problems. Why, because he took the UM job over WV? Who wouldn't? His AD at WV was an A-Hole and renegged on everything they agreed on the year before. Not to mention the vandalism and death threats he and his family recieved after they were upset by an arch rival in Pittsburgh. Tressells a hell of a coach, but he's a slimeball to the max when it come's to running a clean program. It's so sad that the NCAA won't do a damn thing to the cash cows (O$U, U$C, Florida) when it comes to these issues. Jesus, what else needs to be proven about Reggie Bush before the NCAA steps in and puts U$C on probation?Am I bitter about OSU's dominance over UM lately? Hell Yea! But I wouldn't trade Sweatervest for Rich Rod any day of the week. It'll be 2 years befor UM gets the players in there to successfully run the Zone/Read Option offense, then the rivalry will be back to where it should be.

[Deehntr56]

Excellent...we have some frustrated Michigan fans I see.

Many high profile players are under the microscope...we have had our share in every program..none are "totally clean". But getting the #1 rated player in the country, and adding it to a team loaded with Pro candidates that elected to stay another year says a lot about the OSU Program.

The NCAA rules and regulations are in place to keep the programs in line as much as possible. We all know there are other factors behind the scenes that occur in "every program" none are exempt! Michigan has it's own issues.....I had a player on my Baseball team that went there, and I can tell you stories that would sit you down on that key board and make your head spin.:yikes:

Is Pryor a saint? Probably not, but many others aren't either...but I will bet if he selected Michigan, you wouldn't be saying what your saying...we would be hearing what a stud the boy is, and how he will revive the program...but this just made the OSU program stronger and was a major aquisition by a better recruiter...real simple. Don't forget...Rodriquez also was hot and heavy on Pryor when he was at West Virginia....so he was in on recruiting him when Tressel was...and I am sure Pryor looked at his supporting cast up there and looked at OSU's and realized, he had better players and supporting cast at OSU. The OSU recruited players in this class were all working together to come to this team for a reason.....it has been documented the past 9 months on how they called each other and worked together to form this class...that alone shows how they believe in being the best.

Sweater vest took out Carr every year and now Rodriquez in round 1.:D There will be more down the road.....he will be adding more notches to that collar of that sweater vest, as the years come and go. :biggrin:

6'6" 18 year old with 4.3 speed and an arm and the abilities of this kid will be a real treat......I can see him being utilized in the horse shoe this fall when we play the wolverines...should be fun!!!

Now to the talent side of Michigan...Hart is gone, the back up quarterback to henne bolted, since he didn't fit the new scheme, their 2 wide receivers are ok, but not a factor without anyone able to get the ball to them.

They graduated some of the better players on both sides of the ball and the remainung talent left is unproven.....so basically you are relying on what is left of the unproven young players recruited by carr.



Here is the current roster for Michigan.

Woolfolk, Massey,Herron, Slocum, Trent are the ones that I am aware of that are fairly talented...I just keep on struggling to see what others have made an impact, or will.......Running back? Quarterback??? None of them on this roster....bangs on my brain as a highly recruited player the last few years in these key positions.

And who is this guy??? "Ohene Opong-Owusu" LB Sr. SQ 6-1/233 West Bloomfield, MI

Wells is going to run all over this defense, and Pryor is going to look like a track star on steroids.......and you take the OSU defense fully reloaded and returning most of it's starters from this year.....This will be fun to watch!!!

Michigan State has Brian Hoyer( who graduated here from St. Ignatius) and I know him and his family well, that if Michigan can have him transfer may help Rodriquez this year at quarterback...kid has an arm and is smart!:D




Numerical | Alphabetical | by Position


Name Pos. Yr. Exp. Ht./Wt. Hometown (last school)
0 Darryl Stonum WR Fr. HS 6-3/185 Stafford, TX (Dulles)
3 Steve Brown S Jr. 2V 6-0/209 Columbus, IN (Columbus East)
4 Brandon Minor RB Jr. 2V 6-0/213 Richmond, VA (Varina)
5 Charles Stewart S Sr. 3V 6-1/205 Farmington Hills, MI (Harrison)
6 Donovan Warren CB So. 1V 6-0/175 Long Beach, CA (Poly)
8 Nick Sheridan QB Jr. 2V 6-1/207 Saline, MI (Saline)
8 Jonas Mouton LB So. RS 6-2/230 Los Angeles, CA (Venice)
10 Steven Threet QB Fr. RS 6-5/228 Adrian, MI (Adrian)
12 David Cone QB So. RS 6-6/214 Statesboro, GA (Statesboro)
12 Matt Hornaday S Jr. SQ 5-10/197 Germantown, MD (Seneca Valley)
13 Greg Mathews WR Jr. 2V 6-3/207 Orlando, FL (Edgewater)
14 Morgan Trent CB Sr. 3V 6-1/189 Brighton, MI (Orchard Lake St. Mary's)
17 Lee Mondol QB So. RS 6-2/205 Ventura, CA (Ventura)
17 Toney Clemons WR So. 1V 6-2/205 New Kensington, PA (Valley)
21 Junior Hemingway WR So. 1V 6-2/205 Conway, SC (Conway)
23 Carlos Brown HB Jr. 2V 6-0/213 Franklin, GA (Heard County)
24 Kevin Grady RB Jr. RS 5-9/218 Grand Rapids, MI (East Grand Rapids)
26 Zion Babb WR So. 1V 6-1/189 Alhambra, CA (Alhambra)
27 Shakir Edwards DB Jr. SQ 6-0/210 Detroit, MI (Martin Luther King)
27 Brandon Harrison DB Sr. 3V 5-8/195 Dayton, OH (Chaminade-Julienne)
29 Jon Conover DB So. RS 6-2/198 Northville, MI (Catholic Central)
29 Troy Woolfolk CB So. 1V 6-1/180 Sugar Land, TX (Dulles)
30 James Rogers CB So. 1V 6-1/180 Madison Heights, MI (Lamphere)
32 Vince Helmuth FB So. 1V 6-1/245 Saline, MI (Saline)
33 Marell Evans LB So. 1V 6-3/230 Richmond, VA (Varina)
34 Jason Gingell K Sr. SQ 5-9/191 Northville, MI (Catholic Central)
34 Avery Horn RB Fr. RS 5-11/195 Hanford, CA (Hanford)
35 Doug Dutch Jr. CB Sr. 3V 5-11/200 Bowie, MD (Gonzaga)
35 Jim Potempa RB So. HS 5-6/171 Mundelein, IL (Carmel Catholic)
38 Artis Chambers S So. 1V 6-2/193 Fort Wayne, IN (Snider)
39 Andre Criswell TE Jr. RS 6-1/257 Detroit, MI (Renaissance)
40 Michael Williams DB Fr. RS 5-11/190 Camarillo, CA (St. Bonaventure)
41 Zoltan Mesko P Jr. RS 6-4/242 Twinsburg, OH (Twinsburg)
43 Bryan Wright K So. RS 6-1/215 Salem, OH (Salem)
44 Mark Moundros FB So. RS 6-1/222 Farmington Hills, MI (North)
45 Obinna Ezeh LB So. RS 6-2/243 Grand Rapids, MI (Catholic Central)
46 Brandon Logan ILB Sr. 3V 6-0/224 Lexington, KY (Lexington Catholic)
49 John Thompson ILB Sr. 3V 6-1/230 Detroit, MI (Crockett)
50 David Molk OL Fr. RS 6-1/280 Lemont, IL (Lemont)
52 Stephen Schilling OT So. RS 6-5/297 Bellevue, WA (Bellevue)
53 Ryan Van Bergen DE Fr. RS 6-5/260 Whitehall, MI (Whitehall)
54 Austin Panter LB Sr. 1V 6-3/231 Athol, KS (Kensington)
55 Ohene Opong-Owusu LB Sr. SQ 6-1/233 West Bloomfield, MI (Walled Lake Western)
55 Brandon Graham DL Jr. 2V 6-2/276 Detroit, MI (Crockett Tech)
58 Brandon Herron LB Fr. HS 6-2/205 Stafford, TX (Dulles)
58 Tim North DE Sr. SQ 6-1/253 Linden, MI (Linden)
59 Sean Griffin LS Sr. TR 6-2/238 Livonia, MI (Detroit Catholic Central)
60 David Moosman C Jr. RS 6-4/298 Libertyville, IL (Libertyville)
62 Tim McAvoy C Jr. RS 6-5/289 Bloomington, IL (Bloomington)
62 Jon Saigh OL Sr. SQ 6-4/295 Kingsford, MI (Kingsford)
65 Justin Boren OL Jr. 2V 6-4/314 Pickerington, OH (Pickerington North)
66 William Bostic LB So. RS 5-10/219 Stafford, TX (Thurgood Marshall)
67 Terrance Taylor DT Sr. 3V 6-0/310 Muskegon, MI (Muskegon)
68 Bryant Nowicki OL Jr. RS 6-8/305 Bay City, MI (John Glenn)
69 Michael Ramirez OL Jr. RS 6-2/277 Austin, TX (Bowie)
71 Mark Ortmann OT Jr. RS 6-6/297 Klein, TX (Klein)
72 Mark Huyge OL Fr. RS 6-6/280 Wyoming, MI (G.R. Catholic Central)
75 Cory Zirbel OT Jr. RS 6-5/296 Murray, KY (Murray)
79 Perry Dorrestein OT So. RS 6-7/297 Plainfield, IL (Plainfield Central)
80 Martell Webb TE So. 1V 6-3/230 Pontiac, MI (Northern)
81 Steve Watson TE Fr. RS 6-4/235 Cherry Hills Village, CO (Mullen)
82 LaTerryal Savoy WR Jr. RS 6-2/205 Mamou, LA (Mamou)
83 Mike Massey TE Sr. 3V 6-4/229 Brecksville, OH (Cleveland St. Ignatius)
84 K.C. Lopata K Sr. SQ 6-2/217 Farmington, MI (Farmington)
84 David Middleton WR Jr. RS 6-2/202 Southfield, MI (Country Day)
85 Carson Butler TE Jr. RS 6-4/247 Detroit, MI (Renaissance)
90 Tim Jamison DE Sr. 3V 6-3/266 Riverdale, IL (Harvey Thorton)
91 Marques Slocum DT So. 1V 6-6/310 Philadelphia, PA (West Catholic)
92 Jason Olesnavage K Sr. SQ 6-4/207 Ferndale, MI (Ferndale)
92 Greg Banks DE So. RS 6-4/258 Denver, CO (Montbello)
93 Jason Kates DT So. RS 6-3/318 Harrisburg, PA (Bishop McDevitt)
94 John Ferrara DT So. RS 6-4/270 Staten Island, NY (Monsignor Farrell)
95 Renaldo Sagesse DT So. 1V 6-4/315 Montreal, Que. (Vieux)
97 Will Johnson DT Sr. 3V 6-5/291 Oakland, MI (Lake Orion)
99 Sam Buckman K So. RS 6-4/216 Tonka Bay, MN (Minnetonka)
99 Adam Patterson DE Jr. 2V 6-2/262 Columbia, SC (Richland Northeast)


I do believe Tressel will be going for 7 out of the last 8 in 2008!!!:D

Those numbers don't lie...Rodriquez has a lot to prove before he can be in the same class as Sweater Vest!!

[TheCream]

I was being nice in this whole post, so I didn't stir up too much stuff, but hell with it. First of all, there are tons of rumors that have been floating around about OSU and PSU getting into a bidding war for Pryors services. Nothing direct with pryor, but a very close businessman from Jeanette who has lots of ties to OSU boosters. Also, Pryor has had many run in's with the law as Lacure said, but gotten out of it because of his status. Over the past 3 weeks, he has gotten into 2 differentphysical altercations on the basketball court, which in part were escalated by other parties. Where do you get off on saying UM has little talent at the skill positions? The one thing we're lacking is an established QB. If you wanna say we'll be inexperienced due to a new offense, then I'll agree. But we have 3 Rb's returning that have all been High School All Americans and played lots of snaps in college. 1 returning starter at WR but 2 returning that played significant time last year. 3 returning O-Linemen. And talking like Rich Rod has integrity problems. Why, because he took the UM job over WV? Who wouldn't? His AD at WV was an A-Hole and renegged on everything they agreed on the year before. Not to mention the vandalism and death threats he and his family recieved after they were upset by an arch rival in Pittsburgh. Tressells a hell of a coach, but he's a slimeball to the max when it come's to running a clean program. It's so sad that the NCAA won't do a damn thing to the cash cows (O$U, U$C, Florida) when it comes to these issues. Jesus, what else needs to be proven about Reggie Bush before the NCAA steps in and puts U$C on probation?Am I bitter about OSU's dominance over UM lately? Hell Yea! But I wouldn't trade Sweatervest for Rich Rod any day of the week. It'll be 2 years befor UM gets the players in there to successfully run the Zone/Read Option offense, then the rivalry will be back to where it should be.

Now hold on just one hot second. Don't make the mistake of assuming Michigan is clean and they never do any "under the table" recruiting. I am realistic, I am pretty sure ALL major programs are doing it, OSU included. You know what, it is not right, but it is the state of college athletics in this day and age. Do you not think Michigan is a ca$h cow? Think again!

I never said they have no talent, I said they have very little experience left on this current team. Let's face it, Michigan lost:

-Starting QB (Henne)
-Backup QB (Mallet)
-Starting RB (Hart)
-Top OL (Jake Long)
-Probably best LB (Crable)
-Best 2 WR's (Manningham and Arrington)

Those are some of the most critical positions in football, and Michigan will be breaking in new and mostly inexperienced starters at all of them. That is pretty significant.

[Redhunter1012]

Here is the current roster for Michigan.

Woolfolk, Massey,Herron, Slocum, Trent are the ones that I am aware of that are fairly talented...I just keep on struggling to see what others have made an impact, or will.......Running back? Quarterback??? None of them on this roster....bangs on my brain as a highly recruited player the last few years in these key positions.

And who is this guy??? "Ohene Opong-Owusu" LB Sr. SQ 6-1/233 West Bloomfield, MI

Wells is going to run all over this defense, and Pryor is going to look like a track star on steroids.......and you take the OSU defense fully reloaded and returning most of it's starters from this year.....This will be fun to watch!!!

Michigan State has Brian Hoyer( who graduated here from St. Ignatius) and I know him and his family well, that if Michigan can have him transfer may help Rodriquez this year at quarterback...kid has an arm and is smart!:D




Numerical | Alphabetical | by Position


Name Pos. Yr. Exp. Ht./Wt. Hometown (last school)
0 Darryl Stonum WR Fr. HS 6-3/185 Stafford, TX (Dulles)
3 Steve Brown S Jr. 2V 6-0/209 Columbus, IN (Columbus East)
4 Brandon Minor RB Jr. 2V 6-0/213 Richmond, VA (Varina)
5 Charles Stewart S Sr. 3V 6-1/205 Farmington Hills, MI (Harrison)
6 Donovan Warren CB So. 1V 6-0/175 Long Beach, CA (Poly)
8 Nick Sheridan QB Jr. 2V 6-1/207 Saline, MI (Saline)
8 Jonas Mouton LB So. RS 6-2/230 Los Angeles, CA (Venice)
10 Steven Threet QB Fr. RS 6-5/228 Adrian, MI (Adrian)
12 David Cone QB So. RS 6-6/214 Statesboro, GA (Statesboro)
12 Matt Hornaday S Jr. SQ 5-10/197 Germantown, MD (Seneca Valley)
13 Greg Mathews WR Jr. 2V 6-3/207 Orlando, FL (Edgewater)
14 Morgan Trent CB Sr. 3V 6-1/189 Brighton, MI (Orchard Lake St. Mary's)
17 Lee Mondol QB So. RS 6-2/205 Ventura, CA (Ventura)
17 Toney Clemons WR So. 1V 6-2/205 New Kensington, PA (Valley)
21 Junior Hemingway WR So. 1V 6-2/205 Conway, SC (Conway)
23 Carlos Brown HB Jr. 2V 6-0/213 Franklin, GA (Heard County)
24 Kevin Grady RB Jr. RS 5-9/218 Grand Rapids, MI (East Grand Rapids)
26 Zion Babb WR So. 1V 6-1/189 Alhambra, CA (Alhambra)
27 Shakir Edwards DB Jr. SQ 6-0/210 Detroit, MI (Martin Luther King)
27 Brandon Harrison DB Sr. 3V 5-8/195 Dayton, OH (Chaminade-Julienne)
29 Jon Conover DB So. RS 6-2/198 Northville, MI (Catholic Central)
29 Troy Woolfolk CB So. 1V 6-1/180 Sugar Land, TX (Dulles)
30 James Rogers CB So. 1V 6-1/180 Madison Heights, MI (Lamphere)
32 Vince Helmuth FB So. 1V 6-1/245 Saline, MI (Saline)
33 Marell Evans LB So. 1V 6-3/230 Richmond, VA (Varina)
34 Jason Gingell K Sr. SQ 5-9/191 Northville, MI (Catholic Central)
34 Avery Horn RB Fr. RS 5-11/195 Hanford, CA (Hanford)
35 Doug Dutch Jr. CB Sr. 3V 5-11/200 Bowie, MD (Gonzaga)
35 Jim Potempa RB So. HS 5-6/171 Mundelein, IL (Carmel Catholic)
38 Artis Chambers S So. 1V 6-2/193 Fort Wayne, IN (Snider)
39 Andre Criswell TE Jr. RS 6-1/257 Detroit, MI (Renaissance)
40 Michael Williams DB Fr. RS 5-11/190 Camarillo, CA (St. Bonaventure)
41 Zoltan Mesko P Jr. RS 6-4/242 Twinsburg, OH (Twinsburg)
43 Bryan Wright K So. RS 6-1/215 Salem, OH (Salem)
44 Mark Moundros FB So. RS 6-1/222 Farmington Hills, MI (North)
45 Obinna Ezeh LB So. RS 6-2/243 Grand Rapids, MI (Catholic Central)
46 Brandon Logan ILB Sr. 3V 6-0/224 Lexington, KY (Lexington Catholic)
49 John Thompson ILB Sr. 3V 6-1/230 Detroit, MI (Crockett)
50 David Molk OL Fr. RS 6-1/280 Lemont, IL (Lemont)
52 Stephen Schilling OT So. RS 6-5/297 Bellevue, WA (Bellevue)
53 Ryan Van Bergen DE Fr. RS 6-5/260 Whitehall, MI (Whitehall)
54 Austin Panter LB Sr. 1V 6-3/231 Athol, KS (Kensington)
55 Ohene Opong-Owusu LB Sr. SQ 6-1/233 West Bloomfield, MI (Walled Lake Western)
55 Brandon Graham DL Jr. 2V 6-2/276 Detroit, MI (Crockett Tech)
58 Brandon Herron LB Fr. HS 6-2/205 Stafford, TX (Dulles)
58 Tim North DE Sr. SQ 6-1/253 Linden, MI (Linden)
59 Sean Griffin LS Sr. TR 6-2/238 Livonia, MI (Detroit Catholic Central)
60 David Moosman C Jr. RS 6-4/298 Libertyville, IL (Libertyville)
62 Tim McAvoy C Jr. RS 6-5/289 Bloomington, IL (Bloomington)
62 Jon Saigh OL Sr. SQ 6-4/295 Kingsford, MI (Kingsford)
65 Justin Boren OL Jr. 2V 6-4/314 Pickerington, OH (Pickerington North)
66 William Bostic LB So. RS 5-10/219 Stafford, TX (Thurgood Marshall)
67 Terrance Taylor DT Sr. 3V 6-0/310 Muskegon, MI (Muskegon)
68 Bryant Nowicki OL Jr. RS 6-8/305 Bay City, MI (John Glenn)
69 Michael Ramirez OL Jr. RS 6-2/277 Austin, TX (Bowie)
71 Mark Ortmann OT Jr. RS 6-6/297 Klein, TX (Klein)
72 Mark Huyge OL Fr. RS 6-6/280 Wyoming, MI (G.R. Catholic Central)
75 Cory Zirbel OT Jr. RS 6-5/296 Murray, KY (Murray)
79 Perry Dorrestein OT So. RS 6-7/297 Plainfield, IL (Plainfield Central)
80 Martell Webb TE So. 1V 6-3/230 Pontiac, MI (Northern)
81 Steve Watson TE Fr. RS 6-4/235 Cherry Hills Village, CO (Mullen)
82 LaTerryal Savoy WR Jr. RS 6-2/205 Mamou, LA (Mamou)
83 Mike Massey TE Sr. 3V 6-4/229 Brecksville, OH (Cleveland St. Ignatius)
84 K.C. Lopata K Sr. SQ 6-2/217 Farmington, MI (Farmington)
84 David Middleton WR Jr. RS 6-2/202 Southfield, MI (Country Day)
85 Carson Butler TE Jr. RS 6-4/247 Detroit, MI (Renaissance)
90 Tim Jamison DE Sr. 3V 6-3/266 Riverdale, IL (Harvey Thorton)
91 Marques Slocum DT So. 1V 6-6/310 Philadelphia, PA (West Catholic)
92 Jason Olesnavage K Sr. SQ 6-4/207 Ferndale, MI (Ferndale)
92 Greg Banks DE So. RS 6-4/258 Denver, CO (Montbello)
93 Jason Kates DT So. RS 6-3/318 Harrisburg, PA (Bishop McDevitt)
94 John Ferrara DT So. RS 6-4/270 Staten Island, NY (Monsignor Farrell)
95 Renaldo Sagesse DT So. 1V 6-4/315 Montreal, Que. (Vieux)
97 Will Johnson DT Sr. 3V 6-5/291 Oakland, MI (Lake Orion)
99 Sam Buckman K So. RS 6-4/216 Tonka Bay, MN (Minnetonka)
99 Adam Patterson DE Jr. 2V 6-2/262 Columbia, SC (Richland Northeast)


I do believe Tressel will be going for 7 out of the last 8 in 2008!!!:D

Those numbers don't lie...Rodriquez has a lot to prove before he can be in the same class as Sweater Vest!!

It's funny how you think you know the so called "talented" guys on UM's roster. Woolfolk and Herron both redshirted last year as freshmen. Slocum already redshirted and played sparingly last year. Trent is very talented. At the other CB spot is Donovan Warren. He was a freshmen All American last year, and will be all 1st team Big 10 this year. We have the best returning Secondary in the Big 10, and maybe the country. Our D-line has 3 returning starters coming back. Crable barely played LB last year, mostly DE. I'll admit our LB's are very inexperienced this year, but a hell of alot more athletic than the big slow guys Lloyd loved so much. They'll take some lumps early on. I always love how OSU's young guys are always referred to being so full of potential and gonna be great. But when you refer to everyone elses, they are just young and inexperienced. Pryor doesn't have 4.3 speed either. It's closer to 4.45. Still fast, but his legend is already growing in Bucknut land. And yes, his future teammates did a hell of a job recruiting him and others to play with them. But that is becoming the norm in recruiting these days. Lots of top players are comitting earlier so they can help recruit when the coaches are not allowed. UM never really had a shot at Pryor, and neither did RichRod when he was at WV. Pryor built up a relationship with Brewster, shugarts, Posey, and Adams, and it was too much to overcome. But, his coaches, his Dad, Mom, and everybody else wanted UM. Hell, Charlie Batch and all the Pro scouts he talked to told him UM would prepare him better than Tressell. Can't remember the last successful QB from OSU in the pro's. And before you annoint Pryor the next coming, please know that he has a ton of work to do on his noodle arm. And yes, I'd love to have him at UM. Him not coming sets us back a year, but we'll get ours this year. If you want to talk about incoming freshmen making an impact this year, then go to YouTube and search for Sam McGuffie, He'll be our main guy at RB this year, along with a 5* RB named Kevin Grady that has been behind Mike Hart the past 2 years. I'm not talking out of my butt on these subjects either, I probably spend a couple hours a day on Scout.com reviewing all the football recruiting news. And a little good news for you, OSU already has like 10 comitts for the next class, and most of them are very solid players.

[Redhunter1012]

I forgot one thing. What really separates OSU and some of the other elite from the rest is development through strength and conditioning. In reality, UM has had way better recruiting classes than Tressell since he got there, with the one exception being Clarretts class I think. But OSU has one of the best Strength and Conditiong coaches out there developing these kids to the absolute max. While at UM, they had a very outdated program that was in need of change. I think Kirk Herbstreit said it best last year when he said "Michigan has cornered the market on taking top talent and making them slow". He absolutely hit the nail on the head. The great thing is Rich Rod brought his S&C guy with him. Mike Barwis is absolutely one of the best young guys out there. You'll see a better conditioned team out of UM now, which wil help us this year. I get a little hasty talking about OSU, but I absolutely respect the rivalry, and the coaching job that Tressell does. I think it was a shame how lazy Lloyd and the staff got over the past 5-6 years in regards to preparation. I just want a more level rivalry. (Or maybe slanted towards us again:whistle: )

[TheCream]

I wouldn't worry too much about the NFL products. But since 2000, OSU has had 59 players drafted, Michigan has had 38. And also since 2000, OSU is #2 in 1st round picks behind Miami(Fl) with 13. I didn't see Michigan on the list, but my research says Michigan has had 7 1st-rounders since 2000. Tom Brady may go down as the greatest NFL QB of all time, but even at Michigan Drew Henson was the chosen one over Brady. I like Rich Rodriguez, but how many NFL QB's has he and his system produced? Shaun King? Is that it? Pat White will get to the NFL, but he won't play QB.

[jeffmo]

this was a great job of recruiting!
is this kid gonna be a head case???,only time will tell but the important thing is that he'll be wearing scarlet and gray!
i think the fact that he could have went to a number of other schools and started but chose to come to osu where he PROBABLY won't start says alot for him.
how many time do you think tressel will be asked who his starting qb is gonna be????????

[Redhunter1012]

Shaun King, Woody Dantzler, Mark Bulger. The thing is these guys were never Highly sought after recruits. Rodriguez always turned these no name recruits into stars because he had to at WV, Clemson, and Tulane. What do you think he'll do with the kind of athletes he can get at UM. It's not gonna be the same 70/30 run/pass ratio that you seen at WV. Once he gets his guys in there, it'll be a 50/50 or 60/40 pass/run ratio. Your stats about the number of top picks just back up my points I made about how well Tressell and OSU's S&C was way better than UM's. I'm definately not debating that. I mean, we basically outrecruited you, but you still turned more top picks. If you ask any knowledgable UM fan, Most are just as or more excited about the arrival of Mike Barwis to the S&C program as we are RichRods arrival as coach. And as far as Brady, if you watched UM football back then, Brady and Henson split alot of time, and Brady almost always outplayed him. But, Henson may have been the most physically talented QB to walk into the Big House. If Steinbrenner (OSU booster) wouldn't have lured him away for baseball, Henson woulda been great. Old George is a clever Buckeye fan too. That was the Bonus for him paying him for baseball. Tressell is smart, they already have been to University of South Florida twice trying to learn from them how to stop RR's spread offense.

[Redhunter1012]

this was a great job of recruiting!
is this kid gonna be a head case???,only time will tell but the important thing
how many time do you think tressel will be asked who his starting qb is gonna be????????

I don't think he'll be a head case at all. He won't see the field a ton this year, and that'll help him. He'll be like Tebow his freshman year. Don't be surprised to see Henton transfer either. The writing is on the wall for him. I think Schoenhoft is a TE now, and he may have transferred or been rumored to transfer, I'll check.

[TheCream]

Shaun King, Woody Dantzler, Mark Bulger. The thing is these guys were never Highly sought after recruits. Rodriguez always turned these no name recruits into stars because he had to at WV, Clemson, and Tulane. What do you think he'll do with the kind of athletes he can get at UM. It's not gonna be the same 70/30 run/pass ratio that you seen at WV. Once he gets his guys in there, it'll be a 50/50 or 60/40 pass/run ratio. Your stats about the number of top picks just back up my points I made about how well Tressell and OSU's S&C was way better than UM's. I'm definately not debating that. I mean, we basically outrecruited you, but you still turned more top picks. If you ask any knowledgable UM fan, Most are just as or more excited about the arrival of Mike Barwis to the S&C program as we are RichRods arrival as coach. And as far as Brady, if you watched UM football back then, Brady and Henson split alot of time, and Brady almost always outplayed him. But, Henson may have been the most physically talented QB to walk into the Big House. If Steinbrenner (OSU booster) wouldn't have lured him away for baseball, Henson woulda been great. Old George is a clever Buckeye fan too. That was the Bonus for him paying him for baseball. Tressell is smart, they already have been to University of South Florida twice trying to learn from them how to stop RR's spread offense.

Uhhh, Marc Bulger was gone before Rich Rodriguez ever was a coach at WVU. RR started in 2001, Bulger graduated in 1999. Woody Dantzler is a kick returner/RB in the NFL. I don't have any doubts that RR will win at Michigan, it WILL happen. I just wouldn't expect UM to be an NFL QB factory with him as head coach.

[Redhunter1012]

Uhhh, Marc Bulger was gone before Rich Rodriguez ever was a coach at WVU. RR started in 2001, Bulger graduated in 1999. Woody Dantzler is a kick returner/RB in the NFL. I don't have any doubts that RR will win at Michigan, it WILL happen. I just wouldn't expect UM to be an NFL QB factory with him as head coach.

You're right, you got me on that one. No, we will not be Quarterback U as we have been in the past for sure. My point is, he will get the better kids that can throw really well along with being able to tote the rock. The difference of athletes that he'll be able to get at UM compared to WV or those other places will be mind boggling.

[Francis]

Well, lest hope within the next couples years we can seal the deal.

[Deehntr56]

Evening Football Fans...I see we all have settled down a bit.:D

That's good...and I really didn't stimulate any of this discussion...:whistle:

Anyway......again I want to reiterate Rodriquez has a lot to do before he can be in the same league as Tressel.....the 59 athletes is a good number that have made the NFL For OSU.....and everyone has to remember, every year changes for every athlete...one may be great and rated #1 now....but another recruit who was NEVER even rated all of a sudden blossums into a All Pro, Pro player...happens all the time.....but again, Tressle didn't win 6 National Titles and beat Michigan 6 out of the 7 times being someone who has no clue. Yes, he is looking at other teams with the spread offense, and Tressel knows Speed is one of the keys...he recruited Ginn and Smith along with Wells for that reason...He also is recruiting many players in Cleveland from Glenville, where Ginn and Smith came from, since they have many players there that have great speed...he knows that is one priority in being able to stay with the SEC teams.

Pryor was timed at 4.3 speed a few times by his coach.......Everyone says he's a can't-miss player," Jeannette Head Coach Ray Reitz said. "Not too many 6-foot-6 athletes can run a sub 4.3 40 [yard dash]."

His football numbers this fall were eye-catching but might have been eye-popping if the Jayhawks weren't so dominant, registering lopsided scores.

Pryor ran for 1,901 yards and 33 touchdowns on 142 carries, averaging 13.4 yards. He completed 85 of 124 passes for 1,790 yards and 21 touchdowns and had caught one TD pass.

He saved his best for last.

In the PIAA 2A final, he ran for 209 yards and three TDs and completed 3 of 4 passes for 83 yards and a TD and caught a 28-yard scoring strike in a 49-21 blowout of Dunmore.
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If this Boy keeps his head screwed on right.....he will do some damage in College, and then the Pro's.:biggrin:

Michigan has a lot of work to do.....I think Roddy will help their team...I think they will be more competitive if they find a play maker in a quarterback that can work into his spread offense......but he will need to learn how to play defense too.....This area of the game may hurt him without a playmaker.....

[lacure]

Great points to all, but the one thing that baffles me about osu fans and Pryor is that many of you say he chose osu because of the number of pros they have drafted. If he were looking for the best opportunity to get drafted as a QB, he would have selected Michigan...look at the past 10-20 years...I don't know for sure, but I would venture to bet that Michigan has had as many, if not more, QBs drafted than any team in the country. They are known as a QB factory. That may change with Rodriguez, but we will see.

Also, I don't think anyone has a right to "bash" Rodriguez for his decision to leave WV for Michigan, nor the way it went down. WV acted like children when he left and tried to drag him through the mud, but as we have seen, that is out of the spotlight because WV realized how silly they were looking in the media.

I am sure RichRod will do well. I am looking forward to having a coach of his caliber and style in the Big Ten...the conference needs it.

[deerhunt45]

This may twist the thread a bit but here goes...

None of us are naive to the fact that most big time college football programs operate "between the lines", pun intended. They have people that do nothing but look for the "gray areas" to exploit (alumni). Michigan and OSU football programs are BIG money. They are highly scrutinized, both of them have had their troubles recently. That said, I think a lot of Coach Tressel. He keeps his staff in line as well as his players. I don't know what to think about Lloyd Carr, take that back, Lloyd ran a good program (he couldn't beat Ohio State :) ). His problem was he would get confused? on game day...his clock management in big close games was horrendous. Rich Rod will have to show results to keep the job at Michigan. They are a topnotch school and recruit top notch student athletes. He is in a very hot seat...I wonder what really happened at WV with all the missing documents and records. I really wonder how he gets away with that. After all we are talking a taxpayer subsidized institution.

The whole point of that rant is the NCAA rules for college athletes are as complicated as the IRS tax code (which is at least 3 tomes at least a foot thick). Lots of interpretations (the gray area).

A purist would say it's all about the free education for those special student athletes who donate their talents to the university.
A realist would say...college football is the #1 "minor league" for the NFL.

Let's hope it falls somewhere in between...in that big "gray area"...:dizzy: :D

Game on!

[Deehntr56]

Scarlet and "Gray" area???:D :D :biggrin:

[TheCream]

I like RichRod, and always enjoyed watching WVU even though I wasn't a WVU fan. One thing he will have to shake is his reputation for losing games he should have won. His WVU teams did well in bowl games for the most part, beating Georgia and Oklahoma (no, he wasn't there, but it was his team) in recent years, but they would lose to teams that they should have handled. Last year it was South Florida and Pittsburgh. Had they taken care of business against a bad Pitt team, it would have been WVU playing Ohio State for the title and not LSU. The year before that it was South Florida again knocking them off.

I look at him going to Michigan like this. He recruited good players at WVU and won there. At Michigan he is going to have the ability to get better players, or at least more good players. He doesn't have his personnel there yet, but give him a year or two and Michigan will be very, very scary.

[Bawana]

I hope RR does well at Mich, but every time a coach moves up there is that chance that things are not going to happen to as expected. Remeber Ron Zook at Florida, Walt Harris at Stanford, and plenty more. I think that may have played heavily into pryor's decision to come to OSU, Just the unknown of what will happen at Michigan, compared to the known quality at OSU.

[whistlepig]

It must be Spring, Can you feel the Love in the air????:rant:

[Redhunter1012]

That said, I think a lot of Coach Tressel. He keeps his staff in line as well as his players. I don't know what to think about Lloyd Carr, take that back, Lloyd ran a good program I wonder what really happened at WV with all the missing documents and records. I really wonder how he gets away with that. After all we are talking a taxpayer subsidized institution.

The

Game on!

Are you Effing serious? You think Tressell keeps his staff and players in line. It's absolute crap that OSU got nothing over the whole Clarett fiasco. During that period there were no less than 4 different players that spoke out about how Dick Tressell set up phony jobs where they would show up for an hour or so a day and be paid $1000 bucks a week. Phony jobs, free cars, etc. If you really wanna find out how clean a program Tressell ran, do a little internet searching about his Glory Days at Youngstown State and all the trouble they got into and away with there. That would make your head spin. I'm pretty sure now he runs a clean program cause the head of the NCAA investigation Comittee is and OSU alum. And that whole document shredding thing was BS from the start. There was nothing personal or "secretive" going on there. After WV tried to wage a war on that, They showed the backups to a judge of everything they got rid of. It was just mostly personal stuff. And this rivalry cycles from period to period. If you think Tressell is gonna win the next 9/10 you're crazy.

[jeffmo]

Are you Effing serious? You think Tressell keeps his staff and players in line. It's absolute crap that OSU got nothing over the whole Clarett fiasco. During that period there were no less than 4 different players that spoke out about how Dick Tressell set up phony jobs where they would show up for an hour or so a day and be paid $1000 bucks a week. Phony jobs, free cars, etc. If you really wanna find out how clean a program Tressell ran, do a little internet searching about his Glory Days at Youngstown State and all the trouble they got into and away with there. That would make your head spin. I'm pretty sure now he runs a clean program cause the head of the NCAA investigation Comittee is and OSU alum. And that whole document shredding thing was BS from the start. There was nothing personal or "secretive" going on there. After WV tried to wage a war on that, They showed the backups to a judge of everything they got rid of. It was just mostly personal stuff. And this rivalry cycles from period to period. If you think Tressell is gonna win the next 9/10 you're crazy.

please,show us some proof!
do that and i'll believe it.otherwise it's nothing more than internet rumors and your personal opinions!

[TheCream]

Are you Effing serious? You think Tressell keeps his staff and players in line. It's absolute crap that OSU got nothing over the whole Clarett fiasco. During that period there were no less than 4 different players that spoke out about how Dick Tressell set up phony jobs where they would show up for an hour or so a day and be paid $1000 bucks a week. Phony jobs, free cars, etc. If you really wanna find out how clean a program Tressell ran, do a little internet searching about his Glory Days at Youngstown State and all the trouble they got into and away with there. That would make your head spin. I'm pretty sure now he runs a clean program cause the head of the NCAA investigation Comittee is and OSU alum. And that whole document shredding thing was BS from the start. There was nothing personal or "secretive" going on there. After WV tried to wage a war on that, They showed the backups to a judge of everything they got rid of. It was just mostly personal stuff. And this rivalry cycles from period to period. If you think Tressell is gonna win the next 9/10 you're crazy.

You're right, it will probably be only the next 7/10 or 8/10. :biggrin: :bouncy: :biggrin:

[hntwhitetail]

About Prior ..... I hope he really doesn't think Tressel is going to just give him a set of plays like Tebow... hes no Tebow.... Unlike Tebow he has had a lot of sportsmanlike problems in his past..... Lets think about this... on a 3rd and 3... would you take Boekman out... and put Terrell in?? Now you have 2 options..... Terrell running .. or Beanie taking a pitch from Pryor... Beanie has had problems with his hands on pitches and Pryor..... if I was a linebacker... who would I rather tackle???? A lanky QB or a bone crushing Beanie??? The more times you give Pryor the ball on a run.. the less times a big bruising back like Beanie has it.... I would much rather have Boeckman in and Beanie busting takles than Pryor in there to fumble one away or throw an arrant pass...... his passing game isn't the greatest..... I was on campus when Zwick made the decision.... how did that turn out with all of the hoopla??????

[Deehntr56]

Hahahaha, You could be right there cream...heck he could go 10/10......If I even told the one story here on line, about a Highly regarded Michigan player.....and some of the stuff he got into, and was never publicly published...none of you would say another word. If you only knew.

Tressel is going for 7 of the last 8 in 2008......after this year we'll then move forward to next year and those predictions...just remember, we weren't the only ranked team in history to lose to a Division IIA school......I think their name was Apalachian State:yikes:

I even had friends of mine, who are Michigan Fans tell me they were good...just couldn't explain the reason for their loses the rest of the year to other unranked Division IIA schools.....:biggrin:

How did we get off the subject of Pryor????:biggrin:

Troy Smith when he came to Ohio State, he wsn' recruited as a quarterback at all and Tressel was able to use his talents and skills and turn him into a Heisman Trpohy winner...that is the facts.....even Troy got his shorts all tied up in trouble and Tressel got him back in line and no other issue happened.

Clarett was a complete idiot...the boy had his own issues and wouldn't listen to anyone...and you got what you got.....If he would of listened to the coaches and Tressel...he would be playing Pro Bowl...he fought them, and fought others around him, and paid no attention to direction, and Voila...you have what you have.

There are others who had issues at OSU(That you don't know about), But Tressel sat down with them and their parents and the kid listened and those 3that I know of are doing very well today......because they accepted direction and help. One had an alcohol problem, and they addressed it, and Tressel helped him through it, and....be looking for him to be drafted.

Remember back to when you were 16-22 years of age......think hard.....if you would of listened to some more peole or close friend telling you to do the right thing including listening to your parents...you wouldn't have made the mistakes that you did.....I saw it all the time in High School/ Pre High School Players I use to coach on my baseball team.......the ones that listened.....or came close to....did ok...the ones with their own minds who knew better but still did what they knew was wrong, or not the right thing to do....to live on the edge...for that thrill...sometimes didn't make it.......sometime they got lucky...and didn't get caught.....but that is the way it is.

When many of these players come out of High School programs in a tough environment...and go to a high profile school like OSU or any other school....they feel like they are on top of the world...they are out of the life that was a struggle...and eventually do not know how to deal with it. This is where good friends, the right friends and coaches and parents come into play.

If they are there, and the kid listens...they generally come out ok....it's the ones that don't that get into the issues.....their ego, and their inability to accept direction along with inmaturity combine to be a problem.

Tressel has proven time and time again(You may not know this like I do)....he works with the players to make them good adults...if they listen...that is the key....I would have any kid/player go to him...he cares about the person as much as he does about the school and the program......integrity at it's best.

[Deehntr56]

I saw Zwick play in high school several times......I knew he wouldn't make it....got his lunch handed to him against Ignatius in the State Championship game his Senior year.....St. Ignatius just throttled him....I was there...saw it 1st hand...not impressed at all in a bIg title game.

[Redhunter1012]

You're wrong about Smith. He was the last schollie given out that year, but it was for QB first. The thing is, he went to a bunch of the same passing camps as Zwick, and outperformed him nearly every time. He knew he had a great shot at beating him out. It was funny how long it took for the coaches to admit Zwick was a bust and let Troy do his thing. I'll admit, I was never so happy to see Smith graduate, he was a killer. I think he'll do OK at Baltimore if given the proper chance. I love hearing about Appy St. all the time. Yea we lost to them. All the more reason to get Country Club Carr and his lazy ass staff outta town. In a sense, it was the worst and best things to happen in a while for UM. It finally woke up the AD to realize we needed a change. Otherwise, we woulda been stuck with Debord (OC) as our next coach, and that scared the hell out of everyone.

[TheCream]

3rd and 3...I dunno, to be honest. Yes, Wells is a beast, but if Boeckman is in the defense is probably 80% sure that Wells will get the ball so they can focus on him. With Pryor in, the defense will have no clue what to expect. Play Wells to run? Play Pryor to run? Play Pryor to roll out and have a run/throw option? I kind of like the sound of all those options...especially against SLOW Big Ten teams! :mischeif:

[Deehntr56]

Nope..smith was looked at wideout AND in the defensive backfield too....and yes he was the last Sch. awarded as well that year....but again they looked at his talent and ability and groomed him from there even though he attended Quarterback camps etc with the zwick...they thought he didn't have the leadership ability needed for awhile and were looking at options to use his speed and talent...But since that is what he wanted to do was play QB...and until he beat Zwick out....they didin't give him the nod at QB.....they were interested to use him in another capacity until Zwick faltered. They toyed around with it for awhile...

I always thought Zwick was overrated...and it came about that way.

Wells and Pryor is going to scare the living daylights out of teams.....and don't ignore this RB they recruited(Lamaar Thomas) from Maryland as well
another 4.4 guy.......and with the returning starters on Defense....if Boeckman has a good year....it could be interesting....Don't forget about Saine s well..All Ohio player....he'll be a sophmore this year. Robiske is one heck of a wide receiver ...runs his lanes and routes well....probably one of the best I have seen as a freshman...look for him to develop into a very nice receiver.

Wells may go pro after this year, especially if he has a real good year...look for him to make a run at the pros....along with several seniors on defense, Freeman and Rose will be tough this year..Hawk, Gholston, Jenkins I was surprised they didn't go pro next month....

[hntwhitetail]

Id rather see Pryor used in another capacity than just a package for him.... how would the buckeye backfield look if you put Beanie, Pryor, and Saine back there @ the same time w/ Boeckman @ the helm????? imagine the formations... I wouldn't necessarily use Pryor just @ QB........... just like the Buckeyes didn't use Ginn as a shutdown corner like they recruited him to be....

[Deehntr56]

Good point and I like the idea.....in fact I LOVE the idea.....saine can also be used as a wideout, like he was this year to get him in the game, and I am sure when Beenie moves on there will be a void and saine would be a nice RB and I would like to see this kid from Mayland(Thomas) as well....highly rated in all scouting reports...and lets not forget the other top ten recruit in this class... Devier Posey #4 rated wide receiver...some quality kids here.

Now what we haven't talked about is the Offensive lineman they got in this class.....shugarts,adams and bewster...all 300+ lineman and 5 star rated..Brewster rated #1, and the 2 OL..#2 and #7....you are really anchoring the O line well with that to start...Brewster has 5.10 40 speed...and for a 6'5" 300+ Center...that's pretty good. Mike Adams....another big OT.....and the #1 rated lineman should be good as well.

[lacure]

Deehntr56,
I like alot of what you have to say, but twice now you have inferred you have some "inside" info about Michigan student-athletes and dirty programs.:tsk: I was a student-athlete at Michigan and can give you actual, true information...Michigan runs one of the cleanest athletic departments in all of college sports (there are many studies that rank these kinds of things and Michigan is at the top). Sure, there are things that happen at every big-time school, but, overall, Michigan is a well-run and "clean" program. Don't mistake your information as fact...believe me, I am sure it is mostly incorrect...especially if it came from someone who could not cut it at a school like Michigan. Also, if you knew more about Michigan, you would no that baseball is barely considered a "major" sport there...there would be no need to break rules because no one expects much from Michigan baseball (or any baseball team in the northern parts of the country...just cannot compete with the southern teams who have baseball weather year-round).

[Bawana]

If baseball is a "minor " sport at Michigan, it's kinda amazing since they are the only ranked northern team, #25 according to Baseball America.:yikes: Wouldn't Oregon be considered north?

[TheCream]

Deehntr56,
I like alot of what you have to say, but twice now you have inferred you have some "inside" info about Michigan student-athletes and dirty programs.:tsk: I was a student-athlete at Michigan and can give you actual, true information...Michigan runs one of the cleanest athletic departments in all of college sports (there are many studies that rank these kinds of things and Michigan is at the top). Sure, there are things that happen at every big-time school, but, overall, Michigan is a well-run and "clean" program. Don't mistake your information as fact...believe me, I am sure it is mostly incorrect...especially if it came from someone who could not cut it at a school like Michigan. Also, if you knew more about Michigan, you would no that baseball is barely considered a "major" sport there...there would be no need to break rules because no one expects much from Michigan baseball (or any baseball team in the northern parts of the country...just cannot compete with the southern teams who have baseball weather year-round).

I honestly have a lot of respect for Michigan. Do I dispise them and root against them a lot? Sure, I'm a Buckeye! But deep down inside, it is respect that I have for the Wolverines. I even rooted for them once, last year vs. Florida...just don't tell anyone. :shhh: :mischeif:

[Deehntr56]

Lacure.....Didn't say they were dirty, just said they are not "dirty free"...their a good program, like many at this level...you just don't hear "eveything".The information came from players there that played on the team that lived here in fact several players fom Ohio in this area have and a few of them are there now...most say good things, but stuff goes on there too like anywhere else.

Brian Hoyer, who plays QB For Michigan State lives here and his Mother and my wife are good friends....overall likes their program....but overall the programs stays as clean as possible, you or I and the schools will never keep them completely clean...and again, refer to the mentioning of where some of these players come from, and what they are thrown into.....it comes down to the players and their ability to understand what direction to take. LeBron James was able to get a circle of friends to help him work through how to deal with the money and publicity and what direction to take...he was smart enoughto listen and figure it out.....this was an 18 year old kid going pro...it's no different with the players going to college...they need to be able to listen, and take direction and "be around others" that work at going in the right direction.

One of my players from last summer that I have known for years, went up to Michiagn for camp the last 2 summers to look into the school and academics....he liked it a lot, he was the place kicker for St. Ignatius High School...he said in his experience there it was great....they were out all night long just about every night they were there...:yikes: (If only his parents knew)....and as parents we know :D ...he is going to Villanova, he's a smart kid, and seemed like it was a pretty good fit for him, and academically the Villanova program was more to his liking...but he really wanted to be a Wolverine...we teased him all the time about it all summer long. Good kid.

Baseball is like their Basketball program in Michigan....Not on the same scale as football, but that is the case as well at OSU.....Except for Basketball lately....each school can be different.....

So how about this pryor kid????:whistle:

I believe he has become friends over the past 6-8 months with several players that were also higly recruited. If this group stays close, and they continue to work toward their common goal as a group, and they all have their head screwed on right...then he will be ok. It comes down to the others in his group, and how well he listens, takes direction and deciphers what is right to do, and what is wrong, and he picks the right one. the group of friends he has established will help.

Hopefully, He will not be like Clarett and get his ego so inflated his helmet size will grow to 4 times the normal size and he ends up blowing his chance....only time will tell...and ultimately it's up to each individual player on what he will respond to or not......they need to mature in their own way..and hopefully the right way. Clarett, if some of you remember, was a loner. Kept to himself, didn't mingle much.....that hurt him. Wouldn't let anyone get close to him, become his friend and help provide direction.

In a way I felt bad for Clarett..the kid had the sport in his hands...and he wouldn't listen to good direction...he learned the hard way, and in the real world, some do.

Do I hate Michigan???...Nope, Respect is there for their school and program....but I'm a Buckeye....Buckeyes are #1 in this OHIO Forum and on the field until proven otherwise!!!

[lacure]

Bawana,
No, I would not consider Orgegon "north" (obviously, they are "north" on the map, but not in terms of weather) because they have much better weather than places like the Dakotas, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.

As far as being "barely a major sport," rankings have nothing to do with it. I am referring to the reputation/feeling on campus...baseball just does not have much of a following up there (as compared to football, basketball, hockey, etc.). It is closer to the program I was in...wrestling...a strong, but small fan-base. These kinds of programs just do not have nearly as many "temptations" when it comes to cheating because they do not bring in money like the "major" sports.

I do respect osu and, especially, Tressel. And even though osu has dominated the rivalry over the recent past, Michigan still holds a comanding lead in the overall series record. They better get things back in order or, eventually, that may change. I just really like the direction the conference is heading with guys like Pryor (ability/success remains to be seen, but style is what I am referring to) and RichRod moving in...great for the conference.

[Fish-n-Fool]

Here is how I see it.

Pryor has had some incidents. As many as some of you speak of - no. The most recent incidents at the b-ball games were the result of him being called racial slurs. He is an 18 yr. old kid for God's sake. How many of you would not react to being called "you know what" when you were 18? I would have gone ballistic. The state committe reviewed and interviewed both teams seperately and filed no official charges - that says something; a high school committe has no dog in the fight.

Carr ran a good, clean program at UM. I think early in his career he was a great one, but he simply ran out of gas the last few years. UM is a strong, proud university with great tradition. It is unfair for anybody to judge RichRod on what transpires this season. He is putting in a new offense with new schemes and tweaking the defense. UM will NOT be any good this year - that is to be expected. How quickly some of the Bucks forget about Tressel's first year - it wasn't pretty.

The new strength coach RR brings with him is a good one - big improvement. UM also had very poor facilities and they are in process of a 1 million $ renovation to the training rooms - weights, water pools, etc. RR can recruit and should be able to pull some good talent with a brand name like UM. I would give him a couple seasons to get some of HIS players there and HIS system in place before passing judgement.

Now for the pissing match back and forth - UM likes to hold "academic standards" out much like the Notre Dame homers. This used to be true on both accounts. In the past, OSU had acedemic standards similiar to a lot of the SEC schools we all poke fun at. This is long over - check the website if you wish, but the AVERAGE ACT score for incoming freshman at OSU was 28.2 this past year. They are ranked in the top 20 public universities in many areas and have continued to climb the ladder since Holbrook was AD. Um also likes to talk about the "most winning program in history" which is true. However if you look at post 1950 they aren't in the top FIVE. Also, UM has lost 3 games or more in all but 2 seasons the last 15 years - not exactly dominant.

Every program has scandals. UM would like you to believe they are immune to this, but it is not true. There was just a 3 part series in the Detriot Free Press discussing how an elderly professer up there had been granting 3-4 credit hours to FB players in a "self study" class in return for bi-weekly conversations, etc. - no actual study or school work was done. This crap hits everywhere and the coaches and ADs are typically NOT in the loop. They correct asap when they find out and want no part of crap like this.

Any UM fan that doesn't see that OSU is LOADED to the gills this year is being completely unreasonable. I laughed out loud when I read Redhunter say UM had the best secondary possibly in the countryLOL The are probably around the 4th best backfield in the Big ten this year if they play well.

Recruiting - UM signed 4 kids from Ohio that OSU even looked at. 3 of the 4 came down to 3 different OSU camps. Guess how many OSU offered? ONE - K. Koger from Toledo Whitmore. RR signed the Trotwood boys of which OSU didn't offer. At this point in time UM has not recruited nearly as well as the Vest and the track record on the field and the NFL draft is all the proof anybody needs.

In conclusion, FB runs in cycles. Right now OSU is the top of the class in the BIG 10 and a top 3 program in the country the last decade. We have played in 3 title games in the last 6 seasons - there isn't a school out there that wouldn't trade. Only USC has the right to say they are the best program the last decade and have a leg to stand on. All this will come to an end - eras like this don't go on forever. UM will at some point have a nice winning streak over OSU and be a national title contender and they can jeer and cheer while OSU fans can bitch and whine. Will RR be the guy that puts UM back at the top - I don't know?

As a die hard Bucks fan I WANT to see UM climb back to the top. The worst thing that could happen is they take another down turn under RR. I want UM to be a power house top 10 program with elite players, facilities, and staff. It is only good for our program and our league.

Just remember the saying guys "what comes around goes around" and our day is coming. I think we are in good shape for the long term with the Vest and his staff running the show. It is a great time to be a Buckeye - enjoy it, but don't beat down the team up north because they are like our ugly stepbrother - it should be a love/hate relationship.

And by the way, Schoenhoft transferred to University of Delaware immediately after the NC game. He was moved to TE by OSU and Henton is the clear #2. Delaware runs a pro-style offense well suited for him and their QB coach puts guys in the NFL. Pryor may help or hurt OSU in recruiting other QBs - Ohio has a great one for 2009 in Devante Payne. He is another 6-6 220 pounder that can run sub 4.5 40's and has a quick release. Easily the best QB form OH in several seasons. OSU has been on him for some time, but he may choose to go another route with Pryor here? Also, if Henton decides to transfer or does something stupid, OSU is incredibly THIN at the QB position. That would leave us with - Pryor and Joe Bauserman, a nearly 30 yr. old rust bucket from minor league baseball. So we need another quality QB on the roster and will go after a good one in 2009.

[Redhunter1012]

Fish-nFool, OSU never recruits Trotwood kids, it's a fact. There has been a brick wall between the 2 for some time now. UM definately has a pipeline going there now. Who the hell has a better secondary than UM this year, maybe OSU. Other than that, nobody in the Big 10 for sure. Maybe Florida and LSU. We lost one safety who was a little bit of a liability in coverage. But, I shouldn't talk them up too much, because they will be playing a different type of defense this year, based on speed and aggressiveness instead of reaction like in years past. And our LB's are gonna be very green to start off the season. Pryor will be good in a couple years, but you guys that think he's gonna be a world beater this year are fooling yourselves. I'll bet most of you chiming in on this thread have never even watched his film, or any of their recruits. I admit, he should be great, but 1 recruit doesn't make or break a Class. He has anoodle arm that isn't ready for the tougher throws that OSU will give him. Now, if he woulda decided on NSD and enrolled early like they were gonna, he might have played a bigger role this year with the extra work they coulda gave him in Spring Practice. I do agree with Lacure, Pryor will be good for the Big 10, as well as Rich Rod. OSU has been ahead of the curve in reguards to speed and strength, Illinois has picked up on it, and now UM has too.

[Fish-n-Fool]

Redhunter - we certainly do recruit Trotwood, why else would we extend invites for their top players to attend our camps (of which they do attend, many multiple times). You are right, Trotwood has been a pipeline for UM, but that doesn't mean we won't give it a shot if we want somebody. Cardinal Mooney is a ND pipeline - has been for years. We still recruit there and we just got the best player off the team for 2009 (Johnny Simon). The real fact is OSU didn't see enough out Trotwood players to extend an offer - period. It isn't like we offered and they CHOSE to go play at UM; the offer was never on the table.

My analysis of the backfield for UM next year is this - If you hadn't lost your LBs, half your D-line and Lloyd and staff were still in place, I'd say you had the second best in the Big 11. Fact is your guys back there are going to be awful busy trying to make tackles while adjusting to a little different scheme. I think when it shakes out it will be OSU the clear #1 (we lead the NATION last year and have more depth this year). #2 could be either Illinois with Vontae Davis garnishing 1st team Big Ten honors while making NFL scouts gush OR possibly PSU if they can get their guys out of jail LOL. Wisconsin was weak against the pass last year, but return the house and I expect big improvement there with their new DC. These stats get sckewed a bit anyway, some team are very tough to run on (Wisc) so they get attacked with the pass more often. Believe it or not UM barely edged out Purdue in passing defense last year. Another sckewed stat more than likely, since you could line up and run the ball on them.

Look, I'm one of the rare Buckeyes that wish you well. I sincerely hope you guys improve to get back to a top tier program. Until you do, the greatest rivalry in college football is suffering, and so is the conference. Until you start winning 10 regular season games and at least splitting the series with OSU, UM has slumped into a second tier FB program. I'm confident the ship will get righted and you will start beating up on the rest of the league and get back into the title picture. It just might take some time. If richRod is truly a winner he will get it done - he already has more talent to work with than he did down at WV and it should improve.

And if it makes you feel any better, history is in your favor. First year UM coaches are 10-1 against OSU in the first meeting. Hopefully for you guys RichRod isn't the first UM coach since before the great depression to lose in his first meeting - he needs it and the University of Michigan needs it. As much as it would suck for us, I think the league needs it, although it potentially could cost the league a thrid straight NC bid. All that said I've got a case of your favorite beer and lunch anywhere in Ohio if you want to make a bet:biggrin:

[coondog 32]

ohio state stinks go blue

[lacure]

Fish,
I have to "lash out" a bit at your last comments...to begin to think that Michigan has become a "2nd tier" football program is like saying the New York Yankees are a 2nd-tier major league opration because of their showing last year (and I hate the Yankees). The bottom-line reality is that any school could get 10 wins a year if they played a padded non-conference schedule like osu (I heard they may be adding John Carroll to their schedule soon). Look, before you jump all over me about App State, I will say with 100% confidence that they would have beaten any Big 10 team last year (at least if they played 10 times, they would have won 7-8 times against each team, including osu). Sorry, has to be said and if you don't agree, you don't know college football.

Michigan is one of the elite programs in the country...they are a bit down, but they will be back sooner than most think. RR will do a great job and the rivalry will be strong again.

Lastly, someone was rambling about academics...osu has really done alot to improve their standing (when I was being recruited by osu in 1993, I told them flat out that their academic standards were a joke compared to schools like Michigan, Northwestern, etc.). However, look at pretty much any overall ranking of academic prowess and you will find Michigan at the top, while osu remains in the second tier. Some of osu's programs have excelled, but, overall, they still are a second-tier academic institution. By the way, that has nothing to do with their football programs...just wanted to clarify an oversight made by someone else.

[TheCream]

Fish,
I have to "lash out" a bit at your last comments...to begin to think that Michigan has become a "2nd tier" football program is like saying the New York Yankees are a 2nd-tier major league opration because of their showing last year (and I hate the Yankees). The bottom-line reality is that any school could get 10 wins a year if they played a padded non-conference schedule like osu (I heard they may be adding John Carroll to their schedule soon). Look, before you jump all over me about App State, I will say with 100% confidence that they would have beaten any Big 10 team last year (at least if they played 10 times, they would have won 7-8 times against each team, including osu). Sorry, has to be said and if you don't agree, you don't know college football.

Michigan is one of the elite programs in the country...they are a bit down, but they will be back sooner than most think. RR will do a great job and the rivalry will be strong again.

Lastly, someone was rambling about academics...osu has really done alot to improve their standing (when I was being recruited by osu in 1993, I told them flat out that their academic standards were a joke compared to schools like Michigan, Northwestern, etc.). However, look at pretty much any overall ranking of academic prowess and you will find Michigan at the top, while osu remains in the second tier. Some of osu's programs have excelled, but, overall, they still are a second-tier academic institution. By the way, that has nothing to do with their football programs...just wanted to clarify an oversight made by someone else.

I don't care if you said don't jump about App State or not, if you throw a comment like that out, you are GOING to hear about it! Those mighty Mountaineers from North Carolina did lose to powerhouses Wofford and Georgia Southern after beating the Wolverines. You can say "they would have beaten" whoever...the only team they did beat was Michigan. Folks love to ride OSU for playing a weak schedule because of last year. Who did they play non conference the two years before that? Some team from Texas? Oh yeah, the Texas Longhorns. Who do they play this year and the next year? Some team from California? Oh yeah, USC. The good USC, not the one from the SEC. In '03 and '04 they played North Carolina State with Phillip Rivers in a home-and-home. So in other words, last season was the one year out of a 7 year stretch when they played a non-conference schedule with no powerhouse teams. But you know what? Even this year, they beat the teams they paid to come in to Ohio Stadium to lose!

[Deehntr56]

Lacure...playing Appalachian State and losing to them really doesn't help support your statement.....a Divsion I-AA program and losing to them is embarassing....especially when you were the only Ranked program ever to do it.:D having them on your shedule and saying you have an elite schedule, well in simple terms is Wolverine Bull Chits!!!:D

They are 2nd tier until they can compete with the porgrams like OSU out there like they use to.....they lost to APALACHIAN STATE, Oregon, Wisconsin and THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES! Barely beat Penn State and Michigan State and struggled with Eastern Michigan....

Michigan was to be THE team last year, that was THEIR year last year...they didn't go and get it.....real simple...OSU was to do nothing last year after losing several key members, and they played for the National Championship....that alone should tell you something about the talent and the program.

Look at the BCS schedule and rankings..that looks at strength of schedule as one measuring stick....OSU was always ahead of Michigan.....and if OSU played Michigan 10 times last year...I would of bet you a case of your favorite beverage and lunch with Fish anywhere in Ohio that OSU would of throttled them like they did at the big house last year 9 out of the 10 times if not EVERY game.

Wisconsin and Illinois also would of.....

Here is the BCS rankings and all 6 componets play schedule strength into the rankings.....I don't see Michigan in there, do you?:yikes:

I wonder how OSU was ranked that high then?:D

Computer Rankings BCS
TEAM RK PTS % RK PTS % A&H RB CM KM JS PW % COMP AVG BCS AVG PRVS
1 Ohio State 1 2813 .9870 1 1469 .9793 25 25 21 23 22 21 .910 3 .9588 3
2 LSU 2 2630 .9228 2 1418 .9453 21 24 25 24 24 23 .950 2 .9394 7
3 Virginia Tech 6 2345 .8228 5 1242 .8280 22 22 24 25 25 25 .960 1 .8703 6
4 Oklahoma 3 2520 .8842 3 1331 .8873 18 21 18 18 23 24 .800 T-6 .8572 9
5 Georgia 4 2469 .8663 4 1277 .8513 20 17 23 22 19 19 .800 T-6 .8392 4
6 Missouri 7 2117 .7428 7 1104 .7360 24 16 22 21 20 22 .850 4 .7763 1
7 USC 5 2346 .8232 6 1227 .8180 17 23 14 14 17 17 .650 9 .7637 8
8 Kansas 8 2092 .7340 8 1099 .7327 23 20 16 20 21 20 .810 5 .7589 5
9 West Virginia 9 1924 .6751 9 1010 .6733 16 15 20 13 15 18 .640 10 .6628 2
10 Hawaii 10 1903 .6677 10 994 .6627 14 18 12 16 18 13 .610 12 .6468 12
11 Arizona State 12 1628 .5712 11 900 .6000 19 19 17 17 13 16 .690 8 .6204 13
12 Florida 11 1786 .6267 12 890 .5933 15 14 19 19 14 14 .620 11 .6133 10
13 Illinois 13 1400 .4912 13 747 .4980 13 13 7 9 8 9 .390 16 .4597 15
14 Boston College 14 1124 .3944 14 617 .4113 12 12 15 15 16 15 .570 13 .4586 11
15 Clemson 16 1041 .3653 16 567 .3780 7 3 11 12 12 11 .410 15 .3844 16
16 Tennessee 19 870 .3053 18 480 .3200 11 6 9 11 9 5 .350 17 .3251 14
17 BYU 18 912 .3200 19 462 .3080 8 7 10 2 3 10 .280 19 .3027 19
18 Wisconsin 15 1079 .3786 15 594 .3960 3 11 0 5 0 2 .100 24 .2915 18
19 Texas 17 983 .3449 17 498 .3320 5 0 4 0 0 4 .080 25 .2523 20
20 Virginia 21 551 .1933 20 332 .2213 6 2 8 7 10 8 .290 18 .2349 22
21 South Florida 24 362 .1270 25 115 .0767 10 0 13 10 11 12 .430 14 .2112 21
22 Cincinnati 20 580 .2035 23 215 .1433 1 5 6 4 4 6 .190 T-20 .1789 23
23 Auburn 23 448 .1572 21 289 .1927 2 0 2 8 7 1 .120 23 .1566 24
24 Boise State 22 541 .1898 22 246 .1640 0 10 0 0 0 0 .000 NR .1179 25
25 UConn 29 52 .0182 T-28 23 .0153 0 8 3 3 6 7 .190 T-20 .0745 NR



7 of 8 in 2008!!! GO BUCKS!

[paulwv]

You Michigan people better keep an eye on Richy Roddy.....he will end up doing to you what he done to us...if you know what I mean....Michigan will not be #1 to him....he's #1 to himself.........Glad you have him.....we will take a coach with some integrity.....

[Redhunter1012]

You Michigan people better keep an eye on Richy Roddy.....he will end up doing to you what he done to us...if you know what I mean....Michigan will not be #1 to him....he's #1 to himself.........Glad you have him.....we will take a coach with some integrity.....

You and the rest of Mountaineer nation are idiots. What exactly did he do to you? Built your pathetic school into a power? Made you one of the major players in College Football? How dare he! He left for UM dude! And it took you idiot WV fans vandalizing his house, threatening his family, and you're dumbass Athletic Director to squelch on basically everything they agreed upon the year before. Even your most powerful boosters wanted your AD's head on a stick for the way he treated him. And it's not like Rod is going to the Pro's with that offense. There's really not too many more prestigous coaching jobs in america, pro or college. The only reason Appy St. lost to those teams is because Armanti Edwards was injured. Completley healthy, Appy St. woulda beat any one of O$U's non conference foes last year.

[Deehntr56]

Hey paul..how you doing?

Nice to see you here!!!...Red...He's a good guy, calling him an idiot without knowing who he is, really says more about you then him!:p

Red's quote "The only reason Appy St. lost to those teams is because Armanti Edwards was injured. Completley healthy, Appy St. woulda beat any one of O$U's non conference foes last year."

Now that's funny........They Beat Michigan...doesn't say much for the Wolverines then.:D


Paul...you shoot that New AR recently?

[paulwv]

Hey John......well...got cases ordered from Cabelas...should get them the first of the week....want to have ammo loaded and ready by next weekend....will be tuning up the encore 243AI too........
Thank God for spring..........

[Fish-n-Fool]

lacure - you are a prime example of what I am referring to - yes, UM is a fine school, but the disparity in education level between UM and other Big Ten schools are long gone. In fact when I look at the various overall university rankings I see Wisconsin leading the Big Ten since 2006. Several rankings have UM ranked between 8th and 27th; OSU is reanked between 14th and 60th. It just isn't like the old days - get over it.

And I'm sorry, but UM IS a second tier program currently; overall NO absolutely not. They currently just can not compete with the top notch programs in facilities, or on the fb field. I think they are working very hard to get back into the top 10-15 fb schools, but they have a long way to go.

I'm still hopeful you'll get there and get there fast. UM SHOULD be a top 10 team most years and should lead the country in facilities, coaching, etc. At this point your "little brother" Michigan State has better facilities and arguably a better staff. I think RR will help get you guys turned around and you are already spending money like crazy to improve facilities, etc. The resources are there and I expect the athletes to show up too. The question will be can RR get it done?

And your comment about App State is funny to me. Yes, they were a good team; a great I-AA team. But they ended up losing to a couple not so good I-AA teams. I don't think for even a second they would have beaten us last year, and they had no busniess beating you in the Big House.

And if you want to talk schedule I'm more than happy to do so. Our non-conference schedule was weak last year, but it has been good in the past. We play a few in-state teams to generate revenue for their athletic departments - no different than ANY other program. We open with TCU in 2009 and have home and home scheduled with USC, Miami FL, V-Tech, and Oklahoma. I don't think you can argue with that my man:cheeky-smiley-022:

[lacure]

Fish,
I appreciate your opinion, but you are way incorrect. I agree that the disparity between schools like UM and Northwestern as compared to the rest of the Big 10 and nation (in terms of academics) has siginificantly decreased, but the fact remains that whether you look at rankings or ask business owners/hiring officials about the reputations of the schools, they would immediately state the Michigan has a much better "status." Just the way it is...and I don't think you can argue with that my man.

As for your comments on Michigan football, 2 things point to a bit of a lack of knowlege on your part...first, while Michigan's stadium is a bit outdated (and being improved), the rest of the athletic facilities (including football and other sports) remains state of the art. Obviously, you have never been there. I am stating this having been in the facilities of every school in the Big 10 multiple times (training facilities, weight rooms, etc.). Also, if you do not think Michigan is a top 10 program, I think you may not know as much as you believe about college football. I know the rankings don't point to Michigan finishing in the top 10 most recently, but, seriously, who would you list as top 10 programs? I am talking about history, reputation, ability to attract the top prospects year in and year out. Obviously, alot of "stuff" happens that effects rankings (injuries, inept coaches, "fluke" losses, etc) and that is the beauty of sports, so I don't put nearly as much weight on rankings when I am considering top PROGRAMS. I think more about reputation, history, facilities, recruiting, fan base, national/international recognition, etc. That being said, here is a list of 7 of what I would consider top 10 football programs (off the top of my head and in no particular order):

USC
LSU
Notre Dame
Michigan
Ohio State
Alabama
Georgia

Finally, as for the App State discussion, the main difference between Div I and I-AA is the amount of money in the programs (hence, scholarships/grants, facilities, etc.). This translates into far fewer players on the roster (at least top-notch athletes). Therefore, when App St. loses their best player (as was the case last year after the Michigan game), it impacts their season far more than if a Michigan or osu loses a key player. That is the only reason App State had the losses they had. Just wanted to point that out.

[Fish-n-Fool]

Man I agree with you when you talk about HISTORY. I'm talking about the here and NOW - and UM is not a top 10 program. Notre Dame - another great example - currently a second tier FB squad.

And your facilities up there stink compared to the current big dogs. Your new coach and strength trainer came in right away and classified your facilities (not the Big House; training facilities) as "out dated". They are in process of replacing all the out dated equipment in your weight rooms as we speak to the tune of over a million bucks. If it was "state of the art" I don't believe this would be happening.

Look at the past 15 years and tell me you are a top 10 program:tsk: When pre-season ranking come out you guys are traditionally overranked because of all the things you speak of. At the end of the day you slip from your ranking due to performance on the field. You've had 2 good teams since 1993!!! The 97 team was great - your 06 team couldn't get it done and ended up with 2 loses which overall is a good year - you did lose to the two best teams in the last decade and I'm sure I don't need to remind you who that is:biggrin:

[lacure]

Fish,
I see your points, but I must disagree...there is a difference between falling to a 2nd tier program and just being in a bit of a "slump." So, would you have classified osu as a 2nd tier program in all of the 1990's? I don't think a 5 or maybe even 10 year period can bump a program into "2nd tier," especially those with the history and success of Michigan and osu. Also, I would strongly argue that Michigan has only "slumped in the past 6-8 years or so, not 15. Just opinions here, but that's mine.

And as for facilities, again, I have to disagree...all major universities are continuously updating their facilities. RR is new and wants to put his stamp on things (and I agree). He wants certain equipment in his facilities and he is getting that. That does not mean they are not great facilities...he just has a different opinion and is bringing in a new strength and conditioning coach to see to it. I do think it is about time for a new strength and conditioning guy (similar to coach, he had out-stayed his welcome). However, bottom line, their facilities are and always will be state-of-the-art. Since what is considered SOTA is changing so quickly, they will always be upgrading their facilities...just like every major university.

I am just looking forwar to an "updated" Big 10...with coaches like RR and players like Pryor in the conference, it will add to the conference. It should be an exciting next few years.

[Fish-n-Fool]

lacure - we probably agree on more than we disagree. I guess the main difference is yes, IMO OSU was a second tier squad in the early and mid 90's. Don't take this the wrong way, but they had a couple squads that mirrored the UM of late - loads of talent, but couldn't get it done. They also had a couple darn right lousy teams that went .500.

I'd say you guys are going through the same transition we did with Coop. Coop was a good guy too (overall), just like Lloyd. These guys take an unfair beating in the public.

I think RichRod will help make the league better once he gets things established - which as I said before is going to take a few years. It simply isn't fair to judge him at all by what the team does this year. The league will make improvements with coaches like Zook and RichRod as they will force some needed change.

Here's to spring ball and I promise not to say another thing about Michigan FB until The Game.

[lacure]

Fish,
I agree with us probably agreeing on more than it seems. Now, what fun would it be if you did not say anything more about UM until The Game??? :)
Here's to spring ball!

[Deehntr56]

I agree with Lacure on this one item:yikes: ...you can't stop saying nothing until the game....we have all spring and summer to get through...and we just started to really get rolling here lately....I think the discussion should continue.....:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :bouncy:

GO BUCKEYES!!

Soo...back to Pryor.......

[deerhunt45]

Been gone and just catching up on some reading. Good thread guys!

Couple of things, (he says as he rambles)...I didn't say OSU never had any problems or any dirt in re Tressel. I merely said Tressel keeps his staff and players in line. The Clarett issue is ancient history. While I'd rather have my players having "class" discussions with a professor rather than idle time doing nothing or worse things, those are things that can fly below a head coach's radar for quite some time. As stated before, he is running as clean a program as there is right now. The do nothing "not even show up" jobs are gone because of the intense scrutiny. I think it's obvious he is doing a good all around job. Jim Tressel bleeds Scarlet and Gray. I'll step out and say he will retire from this job, that's how dedicated and far sighted I think he is. I honestly think OSU got a gem when they mined him and his family from Youngstown. I think the same thing has happened at UM with Rich Rod, he will definitely be "schooled" by JT for the next couple of years. Hope RR is a good student :) Welcome to the Big Ten !

I shouldn't have brought up the scandal at WV in re RR. I discovered there was a lot I didn't know about that "story" or non story, as it is. Non issue. He was very good for WV and you can't really blame him for being lured to such a prestigious program as UM. I do think UM got a good young coach who will bring some excitement and dominance back to the big house, which as someone else mentioned is good for all of the Big 10 schools. As far as loyalty, this could be his job until he retires if his program performs, unless he has future NFL aspirations :whistle:

I agree fish, things go in cycles, I see OSU is on the up and UM on a slight down right now with the football program. UM and OSU are both top notch academic schools (the teaching hospitals are renowned) with deep traditions. The football programs at both get plenty of money to be competitive. The Alumni of both schools are outstanding and play active and important roles. OSU vs. UM, across the board, is one of the greatest rivalries in the country, in athletics, academics et al. It's healthy :)

I also think OSU will go after another top notch quarterback(s) recruit next year. Look how Troy Smith and whats his name turned out. We'll have to wait and see what effect (if any) Pryor will have on a recruit's decision; I don't see that as being a big factor. Who knows? The vest knows...how to recruit :D

"Do I hate Michigan???...Nope, Respect is there for their school and program....but I'm a Buckeye....Buckeyes are #1 in this OHIO Forum and on the field until proven otherwise!!!"

I agree 100% Deehntr!!!

[Deehntr56]

DH45...Agree on many points. Keep in mind, Tressel will recruit players with speed and athleticism...he knows that is what he needs to compete with the SEC, and other conferences. I DON'T EVER see him not recruiting players at running back and wide receivers positions as well as key defenseive postions without speed. He also likes a quarterback with Pryors attributes to give him additional options.

Look for Pryor to be utilized for many of his skills and if the kid keeps his head screwed on right, Tressel will groom him to be an NFL Quarterback as well.

Pryor fits the quarterback prototype that is needed today...if he listens well and closely, and learns and listens to the right people...he should be good.

Robiskie......now here's a kid that really impresses me...nice hands and runs great routes.....Wells, if he stays healthy may have a very nice year...This team could be a very dominat team this year, if they worked hard so far in the offseason and continue to do so up to the season opener......with so many electing to stay this past winter....this could be a really dominating team....may be fun to watch......we'll have to see.:D

[Deehntr56]

Red and Lacure......I'm going to have some fun with this......and it's just fun...so relax......:D

Michigan was in the top 50 Hottest Student Bodies in College.......Congratulations!!!!

http://www.collegeotr.com/university_of_michigan/u_of_m_actually_makes_list_of_50_hottest_student_b odies_rejoice_6684

http://www.popcrunch.com/hottest-student-bodies-top-50-universities-ranked-by-looks/


The Bad(not from our view) news......OSU WAS 24TH!:biggrin: :biggrin:

[TheCream]

Finally, as for the App State discussion, the main difference between Div I and I-AA is the amount of money in the programs (hence, scholarships/grants, facilities, etc.). This translates into far fewer players on the roster (at least top-notch athletes). Therefore, when App St. loses their best player (as was the case last year after the Michigan game), it impacts their season far more than if a Michigan or osu loses a key player. That is the only reason App State had the losses they had. Just wanted to point that out.

So are you going to completely ignore the strength of OSU's non conference schedules in years other than last year? Typical from any non-OSU fan. Whether they were a good 1-AA team or not, they were still 1-AA, Michigan was still top-5 in Division 1 at the time, and Michigan PAID App State to come in and lose. That is what big-time teams do to 1-AA schools, no matter how good they are. Michigan had superior atheltes, superior depth, home field advantage...and still lost. How many other top 5 or even top 25 teams have lost at home to 1-AA teams? Ohio State may have had a soft non-conference schedule last year, but at least they took care of business and WON those games! :D

[Deehntr56]

Phewwwww.....I thought for a while there, I was going to have to bring that up...nice job Cream!!!!:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Just for the record cream...no other ranked Division 1 team in record history has lost to a 1-AA team.

[jeffmo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan_basketball_scandal

both schools have had their problems.most schools do.

it's gonna be years before michigan will have a caliber of team that will be able to compete with ohio state.tressel has had their number for a good many seasons and will continue to have it for alot more.

[Deehntr56]

I keep hearing that Jeffmo....:biggrin: