new concealed carry bill

[george tinkham]

new concealed carry bill expected to pass an gov. will sign...has lotta restrictions.gun advoctes not happy or are those that oppose.nra checking it out.

[Ohio Sportsman]

CLEVELAND, June 18, 2003 /PRNewswire/ -- Ohioans For Concealed Carry has informed the Senate of its formal opposition to amended HB12, as passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee for Criminal Justice. In it’s current form, the bill is no longer recognizable as concealed carry reform legislation.

HB12 as passed by the Senate Criminal Justice Committee makes Ohio law worse than it is today, by increasing the penalty for carrying a firearm in a car without a license and by removing existing affirmative defenses for those traveling in a personal vehicle. Furthermore, Senate changes would prevent a license holder from carrying a firearm ready at hand for self-defense in a vehicle that contains one or more occupants who are under the age of 18.

We are extremely disappointed that the Senate Criminal Justice Committee would vote to prevent parents from protecting the lives of their children. We are extremely disappointed that, in spite of newly released FBI data showing Ohio’s violent crime rate has increased while the rest of the nation is decreasing, these senators would choose to bow to political pressure from Governor Taft by adopting language that would result in increased and specifically targeted attacks on Ohio’s most defenseless citizens.

As amended HB12 would create a situation in which vehicles with children would be profiled by criminals for attack, aware that the adult occupants of those vehicles are rendered defenseless by Ohio law. Precedent for this type of profiling exists in Florida, where tourists where singled out by criminals because that state’s concealed carry law excluded them from the right to self-defense that Floridians enjoy.

The language would also create a situation in which license holders will be forced by law to frequently handle their firearm. Gahanna police chief Dennis Murphy (who supports true concealed carry reform) testified to Senators last month that this would create an unsafe situation ripe for the creation of negligent discharges.

Prior to a vote by the full Senate, HB12 should be immediately revised to allow license holders unrestricted access to their firearms while in their personal vehicle, no matter what the age of the occupants. A two-year-old child’s life is no less deserving of the right to be defended from violent attack then that of an eighteen year old.

While there are many egregious changes, the most dangerous include the de facto gun registration database created by LEADS, a system ripe for abuse by bad apples in law enforcement, and the fact that this legislation will prohibit parents from protecting themselves and their children under eighteen.

The changes that have been made to this legislation have created a bill that does more to endanger Ohioans than it does to reform concealed carry in the State of Ohio.

It is time for Governor Taft, his State Highway Patrol, and the State FOP Labor union to stop playing games with the lives of Ohioans and restore their constitutional right to self-defense.

[vvarmitr]

He must be related to that Metzenbum!
Thanks for the report OS. ;)

[jcdflint]

These People we "PAY" a living too are just rust! Little by little they eat away our guns and freedom , here in OHIO!!!

[george tinkham]

ALSO YOU can CARRY if this law is passed.restrictions would be bars,public places and churches...you can carry a holstered weapon in plain veiw as long as there is no youngsters in the car.if stopped by a policeman you must notify him immediately you have a weapon.as of this morning the nra has not givin there stance...well guess some are going for all or nothing...

[george tinkham]

well nra don't like it,seems nobuddy on either side does...nra trying to work out a compromise...wonder how that will turn out.ain't lookin bad.i think we got a shot.44 other states got it.nuff sed

[vvarmitr]

Originally posted by george tinkham
restrictions would be bars,public places and churches
If you aren't in these places why would need to carry concealed? :rolleyes:

[george tinkham]

i dont think thats a big deal.actually it will be up to most businesses whether you can bring in a gun.this would be a nice thing concidering some of these apt. complexes maint. men have to work at when on call coming out at three in the morning.i can tell you about that for sure

[Thunderflight]

What scares me are that only 10 to 20% of the men and women who get concealed carry permits are actually competent enough to use them.

The other 80 to 90% would probably shoot them self of an innocent bystandard once it came down to crunch time.

I'm not saying I'm against it by any means.

Thunderflight

[george tinkham]

thflt...a piece of paper won't mean anything to a crimnal...they will commit the crime whether they have a permit or not.this is what everyone needs to know in that case.sure it will happen and the anti carry people will make a big deal out of it soon as it happens.but what will the say when its reversed and those that carry avert a crime in process or save there families life because they were carrying a weapon.

[Thunderflight]

George, I agree with you that a piece of paper won't stop criminals or deter crime. That's not what I'm talking about.

What I'm talking about is that moment when you have to make the decision that will change your life forever. The decision to pull the trigger or not to. Once it's pulled life as you know it will be over for good.

Alot of people don't think about that when they get the permit. Pulling out that gun and pulling the trigger is a MAJOR decsion. I don't think most folks think about it.

I know that most of the folks that surf this site are probably part of that 10 to 20% that can handle that responisbilty, but we are a small minority compared to the rest of the world.

I know alot of people tha want concealed carry permits and IMO would have NO business having one.

This is just my 2 cents.

TF

[george tinkham]

i have not heard of this problem in the 44 states that give permits to carry.if it were there we would be hearin bout it here in ohio day and night from our friends the media and the ones opposed to it.

[muskyman]

Thflt, I hear you, but I don't really believe you think Ohioans
in general, are much less competitent than citizens in the
44 other states that have CC laws.

[Thunderflight]

Everyone can have his or her own opinion. That's mine and I'm sticking to it...:)

Mabye Ohioians are smarter than everone else, but I've met some real windingers that are total morans.

I'd probably get one if I still lived back home. I doubt I'd carry, but it would be nice to be able to do it if I wanted too.

Thunderflight

[george tinkham]

i am from the columbus area an i go to lots of auctions.sometimes i wind up in a place that i'm leary of an by the time the stuff comes up i want to bid on its dark out.an as we leave i kinda think it would be nice to have an equalizer(gun)

[Thunderflight]

When I was stationed in California I used to kinda wish I could have one when I made bank deposits at night. Of course if I had shot someone in California I would be the one who would go to jail and get sued. In that state the criminals have more rights than the law biding citizens.

Now when I lived in Washington D.C. that was a whole other story..... That is one tough town..... I lived about a half mile from a pretty bad nieghborhood (go figure, they'd put off station base housing in a bad area). I kept a loaded MAK-90 and my .40SW next to my bed.

TF

[george tinkham]

in texas the cops would chew you out if you shot at an missed a criminal...

[Thunderflight]

Don't they loan out ammo if you run out too....

TF

[george tinkham]

you know the sayin...DONT MESS WITH TEXAS

[Thunderflight]

yelp,,,,,

TF

[vvarmitr]

Originally posted by george tinkham
in texas the cops would chew you out if you shot at an missed a criminal...
Now that sounds like they have their heads on straight.
I've heard it said that 75% of the laws protect the criminal. :mad:

[Rick]

I was at a deer hunter meeting two weeks ago and they had a law maker there talking about this and he thinks that it will be pass by the first of the year the way he was telling us.
He said it would have pass this summer but they put it on hold till after the summer brake.

[hntnfsh]

It's funny how a few bureacrats can take a perfectly reasonable bill and tack a bunch of crap on it. Let's be real. If I'm traveling with my 17 month old daughter in the car, I can't concealed carry? What's up with that?

I do agree with the certification/qualification parts. If you don't understand the rules of deadly force (or if you don't know what that means) you have no business carrying a weapon.

Of course, I also think that military service should be mandatory. :eek: Just my opinion. :)

[Rick]

I under stand from this guy that was talk about this at are meet that if you have some one in you car at that ago you can have it but it has to be lock up trunk or some thing like that.
He also said by the time it makes it to be signed that the rules may have alot of changes done to it.
What it going to be is that its going to turn out like they did in Michigan when they got there's.

I also under stand that get the permit you better be super clean when they do a background check on you.
No DUI's or anything like that.

[george tinkham]

i prolly cant git a permit since i was a grunt in nam...prolly fraid i'll flashback or somethin.i'm sure there will be a rule like this restrictin vets...i hate restrictions.makes me think of the sunday huntin fiasco but hey wait...they dropped the restriction on sun. huntin...hmmmm,well it is a foot in the door,we could kick the door in later .

[Thunderflight]

George,

If your going to get a permit to conceal carry then you'd better get couple trench coats. It's going to be kinda hard to conceal a long bow or recurve when your wearing a t-shirt and shorts...:)

TF