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[Steve]

All the talk of the disposal of carp as fertilizer or just plain waste leaving them to rot is going too far. It makes this site a target for PETA and even other hunter/fishermen. Clean this talk up or this forum will be closed.

[george tinkham]

i agree and i don't know who is fanning the flames anymore...i suspect several ,i could be wrong.i think there are peta members posing on both sides of this issue to cause the real hunters and fishers to turn on each other...they would like to devide us and this is a very good issue to attempt this with...butt to them i say it will fail, simply because when it comes to crunch time ,ALL hunters/fishers will stand up to be counted wnen another part of our passion is attacked weather we completely agree with it or not...its the ONLY way for us hunters and fishers TO SURVIVE...standing tall,standing together...long live our passion

[Thunderflight]

Hey BV, you've got more post than the sites administrator....:)

Yelp, enough is enough.

TF

[Ðe§perado™]

It is sad that it has come to this. People in the bowfishing forum talk about what they like to do and a question about getting rid of the fish comes up. Then people go on the attack. The bowfishers were telling what they do with the fish and get attacked for being honest on what really happens to the carp. Some people don't like it so they whine and cry until they get there way. But they don't like it at all, but just can't stay out of the bowfishing forum. Since one of them were kicked out of the forum the other kid jumps in the forum to start where the other left off. Then it goes into another forum. It seems that the only way to keep the peace is to give in to these peta moral patrol boys. But I can't see that happening. We are all sportsman(Hunters and Fisherman) and we need to stick together. It is real easy to bash what someone is doing on the internet ,because you can hide and say I don't want to be around those kind of people. It is all BS and they know it. All of the people causing the problems are really cowards about what they believe in. If they were out in public they wouldn't say anything. This is all I have to say about this. This is just MY OPINION.

[george tinkham]

yup but i got to watch out for that swamp man...i guess this means too i better make a donation...heh heh heh

[salmoide]

Originally posted by Ðe§perado™
It is sad that it has come to this. People in the bowfishing forum talk about what they like to do and a question about getting rid of the fish comes up. Then people go on the attack. The bowfishers were telling what they do with the fish and get attacked for being honest on what really happens to the carp. Some people don't like it so they whine and cry until they get there way. But they don't like it at all, but just can't stay out of the bowfishing forum. Since one of them were kicked out of the forum the other kid jumps in the forum to start where the other left off. Then it goes into another forum. It seems that the only way to keep the peace is to give in to these peta moral patrol boys. But I can't see that happening. We are all sportsman(Hunters and Fisherman) and we need to stick together. It is real easy to bash what someone is doing on the internet ,because you can hide and say I don't want to be around those kind of people. It is all BS and they know it. All of the people causing the problems are really cowards about what they believe in. If they were out in public they wouldn't say anything. This is all I have to say about this. This is just MY OPINION.

man ain't this a real gurgler. from your opinion you make it sound like everyone elses fault. a controversial sport this such as this , you would think one who not try to bring attention to that negative aspect of it. not everyone has your mentality when it comes to it , so you throw in their face say ha ha ha it's legal there's nothing you can do about it and wonder why you got problems. with better regulations on it it would mean better acceptance to the public and take away some of that negative publicity on the down side of bow fishing .you just don't git it, it needs cleaned up. when they ban it altogether you will have wished for better regulations, and it's possible. peta ain't who you got to worry about it's the general public.

[Thunderflight]

http://www.bowsite.com/_cache/3cbc74418d57c2ba7fa943d6df7ab7d1.jpg

Even Fred has had enough....:)

TF

[george tinkham]

thanx thfl...good to see ole fred bear

[carpwarrior]

why is it that when we talk about what we do with the carp, people get ticked off. what the heckdoes the guys do with the yotes when theyshoot them??????????? or what does the guys do with the ground hogs , what do the trappers do with the remains of there catch?????? or the crow hunters , what do they do with the birds they shoot , do they eat them , I DONT THINK SO,there will allways be some cry baby flappin there gums about somthing, people nead to learn to keek there nose in there owne plate, if we sit on pins and needles all the time worring about peta or other anti's ,then we better stop doing what we love , IF THE PRESSURE IS TO MUCH FOR YOU TO HANDLE THEN GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN, IF YOU DONT LIKE WHATS TALKED ABOUT IN THE BOW FISHING FORUM .THEN DONT READ IT . THATS WHY ITS CALLED BOW FISHING FORUM, ITS ABOUT BOW FISHING AND NOT ABOUT SOME STIFF WORRING ABOUT OTHERS OPINIONS, I AM BLESSED TO ABLE TO COME TO THIS CITE , BUT I AM NOT GOING TO BEND OVER FOR ANY ONE . I HAVE A BACK BONE AND A STRONG ONE AT THAT. IF YOU WANT TO COMFORM TO THE REST OF THE ANTI'S THEN GO AHEAD, YES THERE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COMMON RESPECT AND TACKT , BUT LETTS FACE IT , THERE WILL ALLWAYS BE SOUR APPLES IN THE BARREL:( :( :( :( :(

[Thunderflight]

Take a deep breath and let it go......

It will be ok....

Just let go....:) :)

TF

[Ohio Sportsman]

I hope all that shouting got it off your chest, Frankie sez relax.

[flathunter]

Guys I dont know if peta is on this site or not....But I do know this for a fact, I have invited dozens of people to join this site...Several have.......But the majority have gotten in touch with me after viewing the site as guest for a few days and have declined to join......Why? Because of all the waste talk that is going on on the bowfishing forum...And these people are not peta believe me I know them all, and in fact one was even a bowfishermen who said this forum gives bowfishermen a bad name...............I tried to stay out of this for as long as possible


I had high hope for this site when it started, memberships was growing fast, but as you know that slowed way down.

I still hope the site is a success, and will around for as long as it is here.


Peace to all, Bowfishermen included.....But please stop talking about wasting fish or whatever...Brag about a big fish shot thats great....But people dont want to here what you did with the fish after word.

When you have topic called "fish disposal" or something to that effect it draws peoples attention..Even people who would not normally check the bowfishing forum out would click on it just to see what that means...And when they here of 100's of fish rotting in a dumpster, it turns them off to the sport big time.

[Ohio Sportsman]

I think Flathunter just about sums it up, my sediments exactly. Anything concerning harvesting of fish and wildlife is always going to be scrutinized, some say that there is a standard that should be kept to ensure a good name and a good working relationship with the public in that regard and other choose to blindly ignore this fact. I choose to keep a good standard with acceptable levels of harvestation for all fish, forage and wildlife or varmit species. Either change for the better or there will be rough times ahead, the public will make sure of that.

[Ðe§perado™]

Jack you make some good points . But some of the people that you talk about have the same veiws as you and FM and that may be why they left. Using one forum as a crutch is wrong not to join.

salmoide, you crack me up. Saying that it is my fault about the getting rid of the fish and I didn't even start the thread....LOL You need to open your eyes a bit before speaking.

Bucktail, nice to see you back on the site.

[Mal]

Yeah Bucktail, missed arguing with ya

[george tinkham]

i got the suspision that some here are usin more than one handle cause they don't have the guts to say stuff under there real name or handle as we know them by ...thats purty sorry for our own kind to act like that...at least with the ara you know where they stand

[cwcarper]

You make some good points, Jack. I don't really check this site out that much because it seems to be more hunting oriented than fishing oriented, and I don't hunt. That's fine with me, but it seems half the "fishing" related posts are about bowfishing. While this can be entertaining at times, I can only take so much of it. I still drop by from time to time, though, because I already know a lot of the members from other sites, plus I think you guys are down right hilarious at times.

[CARPN-JAKE]

I find it hard to believe that membership is being adversely affected due to having a bowfishing forum.....
Also, I wanted to remind eveyone that we as hunters and fisherman are already PETA targets....

[Q2XL]

good point carpn-jake. as for my opinion if they dont like the comments dont read the forum.it states BOWFISHING not tiddly wink playin.there are plenty of other forums for people to read they dont have to read the bowfishin one.i dont go to other forums and get upset because of what people write in them i stay away from them and read what i enjoy doin.

[george tinkham]

i am interested in what you bowfishers are doing so i like to keep informed,,,i might even go out and slay a few muhself...but i think you could get the point across somewhat softer...thats not to much to ask...you are sorta helpin to destroy your own forum...that don't make any since.i think again steve is being fair and reasonable

[jeffmo]

well guys,i've been kinda watching this entire "fish disposal" topic and just decided to comment after reading the "peta" concerns.
on more than one outdoor site i have seen alot of folks talking about how peta may be watching and to be brutally honest i could care less what any of those folks think or say.
why? because hunting and fishing are what i enjoy doing with my free time.
years ago it use to be that hunters didn't give a 2nd thought about tying a deer to their hood or top of their vehicle when taking it home.we weren't made to feel bad if we hung a deer up and someone happened to drive by and see it.
we never worried if fish could feel pain.we fished with our dads when we were young and we teach it to our kids now.why? because it's a great way to spend time with our kids and it teaches them better things than hanging around with the wrong crowd.
i may be in a group that's shrinking in numbers but, i won't change the way i enjoy the outdoors just to make a handful of peta members happy.i could actually care less what they think of me.
without the sportsmens efforts and money in conservation through the years,peta wouldn't have as many species to "save" as they do.
there's better ways that they could serve society.
steve,i'm not trying to counter what you're trying to get across,i understand.i simply don't care for peta one bit.

[Ohio Sportsman]

Originally posted by Steve
All the talk of the disposal of carp as fertilizer or just plain waste leaving them to rot is going too far. It makes this site a target for PETA and even other hunter/fishermen. Clean this talk up or this forum will be closed.

I feel the talk degrades the sport of bow fishing along with hunting and fishing altogether, it's a side most folks don't want to know about even though it's legal. Plus when you bring it out into the open like this it gives those groups leverage on what they want to accomplish and it does not do the sportsman any good with the projection of the image we should be promoting to the general public. If something is not done to correct that image then we will be in big trouble down the road with those groups and the general public, politicians and the list goes on. You can't throw crap in the peoples face too many times, sooner or later they are going to get tired of it. And if you can't figure this out then you have no business with a bow & arrow or a weapon or a fishing rod for that matter.

[Steve]

All I'm trying to say is that the pictures garbage dumpsters full of carp probably don't do us much good.

[Q2XL]

i agree to a point . as far as PETA i agree with jeffmo.not tryin to stir nothin up but i read a thread on varmit huntin today that a guy stated how he shot a ground hog right through the head.now what do you think he did with that groundhog took it home and ate it .i think not he left it lay.i meen thats worst than anything ive read on this forum.oh well enough said

[carpwarrior]

Well said Q2xl , there is gonna be something that people are going to find out of line with hunting and fishing,

IN THE BIBLE , GENISIS CHAPTER 1 VERSE 26 ITS SAYS

AND GODSAID . LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE,AFTER OUR LIKENESS: AND LET THEM HAVE DOMINION OVER THE FISH OF THE SEA , AND OVER THE FOWL OF THE AIR, AND OVER THE CATTLE, AND OVER ALL THE EARTH , AND OVER EVERY CREEPING THING THAT CREEPETH UPON THE EARTH.

The key word here is dominion, the definition of the word is,


The power or the right of governing and controlling : RULE.

what did the Indians do with fish ,? they used them in there corn feilds , other words in there garden, if we as a whole give an inch to peta or the other anti`s , they will end up taking a mile and we will no longer be giving , STEVE i understand your piont, and if people dont like what we talk about , they dont have to read it , if they think that a bow fishing forum is raw, then i would tell them to go c where there hi dollar steaks come from, or go to a chicken farm, a commercial one that is. or go to a meat proccessing plant , or go c a dog food plant , and ask them what part of dog food is horse meat . my point is that we will never agree on every issue that is out there, but we can help each other to try an understand our views .

[Ðe§perado™]

Well said carpwarrior!!

[vvarmitr]

Steve:shut down the bowfishing forum in fact shut down this whole web site because some weenies aren't going to be happy with what you do till we're all vegetarian & our only outdoor activity is tree hugging. There is as much strife here as in a church board meeting!
Shut'er down! Start w/ the bowfishing then the trapping & varmint hunting. Shoving us into closets as you go. Who should be next? The weenies will let you know as they turn against each other. Don't worry Steve you'll never be w/o their counsel.

[Thunderflight]

More and more trolls these days.....

TF

[Fish_Rights]

Yes shut it down, there is nothing of interest here for anyone to read except genocide of innocent animals put on this earth to survive. God would not have put them here if he wanted them destroyed, We say get rid of bow fishers and hunters and fishers in general they are the lowest of low when it comes to human beings. So why do we need them, we don't. It's a shame that the animals can't retaliate back on them, we think it would be a different story then.

[Thunderflight]

Amen Fish rights. God save us all.

TF

[carpwarrior]

(FISH RITES) WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU , YOU PUT AN ANIMAL BEFORE A HUMAN ? I WILL PRAY FOR U

[Thunderflight]

Carpwarrior,

Watch out brother,,,, we're being baited.....

Trust me I'm a former pro at this...:) Just ask george aka: bamboo viper, real bow and lil red.....:)

Thunderflight

[george tinkham]

i was not the original "lil red"...he was evil an tore into me like a hyena

[carpwarrior]

A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE TOLD ME TO CHOOSE MY BATTLES CAREFULLY , I WILL HEED HIS ADVICE VERY CAREFULLY FROM NOW ON , I AM TIRED OF ALL THE B.S , I GET SUCKERED IN TO , TOO MUCH IN THIS FORUM . THANKS FOR THE ADVISE

[carpwarrior]

I HAVE SOME CARP TRUFFLES FOR THE TROLLS... LOL

[Mal]

Leviticus 17, verse 13
And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.


Deuteronomy 22
6 If you come across a bird's nest beside the road, either in a tree or on the ground, and the mother is sitting on the young or on the eggs, do not take the mother with the young. 7 You may take the young, but be sure to let the mother go, so that it may go well with you and you may have a long life.

Genisis

Genesis 9:1-3 "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all of the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, now I give you everything."

21:20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.

27:3 Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me [some] venison;

27:30 And it came to pass, as soon as Isaac had made an end of blessing Jacob, and Jacob was yet scarce gone out from the presence of Isaac his father, that Esau his brother came in from his hunting.

27:31 And he also had made savoury meat, and brought it unto his father, and said unto his father, Let my father arise, and eat of his son's venison, that thy soul may bless me.

27:33 And Isaac trembled very exceedingly, and said, Who? where [is] he that hath taken venison, and brought [it] me, and I have eaten of all before thou camest, and have blessed him? yea, [and] he shall be blessed.

Jeremiah
16:16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.


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[Mal]

I just happened to have it handy, from an argument on another site. I've been so board I was trolling anti' sites, and well I waded into the thick of battle along with some other guys from another BB I belong to.

[Q2XL]

well said mal

[carpwarrior]

Good job. Mal hit them with the word of God . i dont c alot they can use in there defense, whats bigger than God ? nothing !!!!!!!!

[Basementdweller]

Do you realize that everytime you mention PETA it empowers them. If you want to hurt PETA call and request pamphlets....sign up for there mailings, then chuck them in the trash or recycle them....sign up to help at events then dont show up.

This saps there resources......I do it as often as I can.

Lets face it this argument is like the crossbow arguement.

Kind of interesting that a lot of guys will blow away a ground hog and leave it lay and not think twice about it. But get ticked off when someone leaves a rough fish float or fertilized a garden.

Just food for thought

[george tinkham]

bd...chances are this is not a peta member but one of our own trolling...one person playing 3 rolls...maybe 4

[Ðe§perado™]

Your right George, No problem until this person came in with all the different names.

[george tinkham]

1o-4 good buddy

[Caribou Dreamer2]

Well said guys,but this happens all the time,happened over on the bowsite also,thats why i do not visit that site any more can only take so much of this crap and i do believe that this problem we are having here on this site is only one or two people but thats all it take to make our sport look bad to other,if we just keep adding fuel to there fire it will only gets worse,i have found out it is best to just let them say what they want to say and just laugh at it a move on,We (bowfisherman)all need to stick together and enjoy our sport and let the other hasf pounder on there own thoughts or beliefs.

[Jumper]

You guys mind if an Okie says something?

Steve,
Not trying to tell you how to run your forum. That's not my business. Hell, I don't even live in Ohio. But I'm an avid bowfisher who would like nothing more than to see this sport grow and gain the respect the likes of which you find with Bass anglers. I "troll" in various state bowfishing forums and when stuff like this happens, I tend to speak up. So please excuse this "Okie" as I speak my peace.

If this forum is shut down, you're giving into the anti's, thus giving them a small victory whether they know it or not and whether or not it was intentional. I have no problem with moderating the forum and keeping the posts clean and legit. There's nothing wrong with that. But shutting it down isn't going to solve anything. Instead, you'll be essentially caving in to the anti's and their so called "political correctness" crap. You'd basically be giving into them out of concern for what they think. Who cares what they think? They think the California milk commercial with the talking cows (computer generated I might add) is putting undue stress and suffering on the cows! John Stossel of 20/20 said it best when he said: "Gimme a break!"

I've talked with several of these guys before and they all have one thing in common: they love to bowfish and to project the sport in a positive manner. Who ever the nutcase is starting the arguments is the problem, not these guys.

To everyone else who might be trolling looking for the first opportunity to start something: remember, the anti's start with one type of fishing or hunting then move onto the next. By your actions, you're aiding and abetting them in their fight. The next fishin forum could be yours! So chill out. If you don't like bowfishing, who cares. Nothing says you have to like it or accept it. But nothing gives you the right to tell us our style of fishing or hunting, however you want to call it, is wrong or inhumane. Whatever we do with the fish is our concern as long as we're not breaking any laws. Enuf said!! Time to step down off the soapbox.

Now, onto a lighter side. How's everyones season going so far? Off to a pretty good start here in OK. I've shot a 32lb Grass Carp, a 34lb Spoonbill (paddlefish/shovelnose), a 27lb Buffalo and my wife just shot a 9.5lb Spotted gar all within in the last month! Not a bad start if I say so myself!

Good luck and shoot straight!
Jump

[Caribou Dreamer2]

Beautifully said,Welcome,Congrats on such a good start,here in Ohio its been pretty tuff in my woods alot of rain and muddy water but will get them soon enough.Spawn should not be far off

[vvarmitr]

Originally posted by vvarmitr

Shut'er down!
I meant that in sarcastic verse, & I'm sorry my literary skills weren't enough to convey that. :o

I'm very much behind the bowfishermen. They are an important wildlife management tool. You Half-breeds (half PETA/ half sportsmen) want the cream, but it is so beneath to clean out the barn & use it for fertilizer. "But J.Q.Public will think it stinks" you whine. Yeah.....what's your point! :mad: You would have us pile it up in the barn until it affects the cream. Then what would you cry? It is the same w/ your fishing! :p
You say you would fight for this county & what it stands for. Well, what ever happen to...."life, liberty, & the persuit of happiness?":confused: What, did you think, that that pertained to only you? :rolleyes: How two-faced!:mad: You go poking your nose into their forum & don't "feel" that it's right & think you should take over when you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground.(which explains the toilet paper in the chipmonk holes in your yard :p )
Here's a scripture for you self-rightous half-breeds: 1Thessalonians 4:11 "and to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life and attend to your own business".....NASV. If you think I took it out of context, go read it youself.
You should be thanking the bowfishermen for doing what you are to aloof to do & cleaning up after themselves!:mad:

[Steve]

There's no immediate plans to shut this forum down. I don't care what you guys do with the carp after they are taken, whether they are used as fertilizer, etc, etc. But things such as the picture of the dumpster full of them take it just a bit too far.

[Jumper]

Keep in mind when we talk "dumpster", yes, we're talking about a dumpster but 9 times out of 10 it's to haul off the fish to a rendering plant. We're not literally throwing the fish in the nearest dumpster on the way home.

[LookMa-NoHands!]

HUH......I must have missed the dumpster pic. :confused:

[Q2XL]

me too look ma

[Steve]

Ok guys, enough said. If they are going off to a rendering plant then we need to make that clear in a post or picture that is displayed here.

I'm closing this thread. Just wanted to make my thoughts known.