Fish Feel Pain !!!!

[3006]

Looks as though some British Scientists have "discovered" that fish feel pain. Since this has now been proved, PETA is calling for an end to fishing because of the cruelty imposed on the fish by fisherman. Shouldn't be long before the lawsuits are filed and legislation introduced to ban fishing.

[Lance]

I knew it was just a matter of time before they'd get something to try to justify there views...

[Fish_Rights]

were coming sooner than most people think, next is for hunters. i need to thank that guy for the link here, thanks we owe ya one. :D

[Thunderflight]

Duh...... Ever hook a fish in the tail? They ain't squirrmen cus theyur uh dancun....

TF

[george tinkham]

sooooo what...deer feel pain,elk feel pain,antelope feel pain,rabbits, squirrels...so what if fish feel pain...they still taste good.

[vvarmitr]

Scientist are just now discovering something we outdoor sportsman knew? They gotta be as detached from nature as the PETAfiles.:rolleyes:

Hey george: I feel pain too. I think it's PETAroids. Har, dee, har, har, har. :D

[Ðe§perado™]

it won't fly. They have tried this before in AZ. It got voted down there.

[Thunderflight]

It just amazes me at how much money is thrown away on research like that.

One day your at a party and you meet a scientist. After a bit of conversation be brags that he was the man that discovered that fish feel pain...... Boy.... what an accomplishment.....

TF

[george tinkham]

desparado...it was a close victory and costly...we can never assume it can not happen...

[Basementdweller]

I wonder what hurts worse the hook or the frying pan.

[3006]

If anyone cares to read the article, you can find it on msnbc.com. It was very interesting. The premise is that the fish that were injected with some stuff took 3 times longer to eat than fish injected with the placebo. I wounder if they ever hooked a fish with a worm, threw it back, then had the same fish latch right on as soon as the bait hit the water?

I can't wait till these yahoo's get on the news promoting their trash. It is sad that a lot of people are going to take up their cause. What's worse is that many of the people are the ones that think their meat comes served on a platter wrapped in plastic at the super market.

[george tinkham]

well now we knom...nobuddy is free from attack...

[bearpaw]

Even if these PETA freaks lose in court battles, they could care less. They know it costs alot of money to fight Peta and other one tracked follower groups. They have alot of followers in the Movie and celebrity industry. That is one of thier main objectives is to send more cost to the sportsman so liscence fees go up and insurances for landowners, and agricultural tax exemptions be taken away so there is less land for people to hunt and fish on. They do the Elliot Ness thing . If they couldn't get murder charges on Al capone they hit with not paying his taxes. All in all it works for them. These F!@@#$#$ are ruthless, while most sportsmen just sit around thinking that won't happen. They'll never take our fishing rods out of our hands and our guns away from our homes. If we all do our part on just one thing and that is obey the laws of the land. Don't give these freaks any more ammunition on statistics of outlaws, and dumba##@$ that happen to infiltrate
our outdoor activities.
I'm waiting for them to try to ban football because of the pigskin, used for the football. You wait it's comming around the corner.

John Olsen:mad:

[jcdflint]

Ha, fish-rights it hurts too when you sink your weathered teeth in our necks, but let you know, there's "POISON" in our blood!

[bearpaw]

That study has been countered. On Fish feel pain. There is a great article in Bass Times Newspaper on Page 18 April 2003 issue. But The struggle is far from over. I mean there is a town several miles from where I live and PETA wanted to change the name of the town Fishkill N.Y to a less violent name. Peta spent alot of money only to find that kill was some sort of foriegn name for creek or water. But this shows how far these nuts will go. Beware!!

John Olsen

www.bearpawshandpouredbaits.com

[Ohio Sportsman]

Maybe they do feel pain or maybe not, I figure they might feel a cringe of pain when I stick the fillet knife in them, but when I drop them in the hot grease they for sure won't ever feel again if in fact they do feel pain by the time they are golden brown. :D :D :D

[Mal]

I'm looking for an article published in Feb. of 2003 that states they do not feel pain. I'll find it, and post it. And as for you Fish_Rights, I haven't seen you over at the website I formally invited you to go to. You don't want to maturely debate the matter you just want to cause trouble, then complain when people pick on you. PLEASE JUST IGNORE THIS PERSON. HE IS JUST TRYING TO STIR UP TROUBLE

[Mal]

Here it is straight from another website.

Guess What! Scientific Proof Fish DON'T Feel Pain
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Fish lack the brains to feel pain, says the latest school of thought
By Rajeev Syal in London
February 10 2003





Anglers rest easy. Fish cannot feel pain, the largest study into piscine neurology has concluded.

An academic study comparing the nervous systems and responses of fish and mammals has found that fishes' brains are not sufficiently developed to allow them to sense pain or fear.

The study is the work of James D Rose, a professor of zoology and physiology at the University of Wyoming, who has been working on questions of neurology for almost 30 years. He has examined data on the responses of animals to pain and stimulus from scores of studies collected over the past 15 years.

His report, published in the American journal Reviews of Fisheries Science, has concluded that awareness of pain depends on functions of specific regions of the cerebral cortex which fish do not possess.

Professor Rose, 60, said that previous studies which had indicated that fish can feel pain had confused nociception - responding to a threatening stimulus - with feeling pain.


"Pain is predicated on awareness," he said. "The key issue is the distinction between nociception and pain. A person who is anaesthetised in an operating theatre will still respond physically to an external stimulus, but he or she will not feel pain. Anyone who has seen a chicken with its head cut off will know that, while its body can respond to stimuli, it cannot be feeling pain."

Professor Rose said he was enormously concerned with the welfare of fish, but that campaigners should concentrate on ensuring that they were able to enjoy clean and well-managed rivers and seas.

Despite the findings of Professor Rose's study, a spokesman for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, which has invested heavily in an anti-angling campaign, said: "We believe that fishing is barbaric. Of course animals can feel pain. They have sensitivity, if only to avoid predators."

The Telegraph, London

[Mark Sprague]

Those PETA pinheads are just incredible :rolleyes: You'd think there'd be someone in that group who might have noticed all the other streams in that part of the country with "kill" in their names,and wondered why.It's Dutch,and it does mean stream or brook,and the names are older than the United States.
Maybe you can't expect much from a group whose entire position is more emotional than it is rational.

[Thunderflight]

I'm glad we cleared this up. I was actually loosing sleep over this.

TF

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[george tinkham]

my personal opinion has always been they do feel pain...from my own observation of catching,taking off the hook an cleaning thousands...so why does it matter???deer feel pain,an other animals we hunt...we feel pain,so what does it matter.i also belive deer an dogs see color.NO ONE really knows for sure except the fish an the dogs an the deer.