Try this.....land management

[buckstar25]

I want to start off by saying that I am not opposed to anyone hunting over or around "food plots". The big picture is that we all hunt over a food p[lot of some kind. I like to discuss and debate the benefits of the so called deer management that we are reading in the magazines and seeing on the shows. I don't want to ramble and I am by no means an expert. I want to share with you my experience with land management.
I own 55 acres and started by clear cutting 1 acre of land. I created edges in around and anywhere I could. Edges are defined differently, but deer absolutely have got to have them. This cut has 13 years of successional growth, I rarely hunt over it. One of the biggest bucks that I have ever seen in the woods came out of this tiny clearcut. I would like to see more people involved in "natural" land and wildlife management. Nature is a beautiful thing, and the best part is that for the most part it is free.

[So. Ohio Outfitters]

hunting over or around "food plots"............ the benefits of the so called deer management

Buckstar25,

could you please help me to understand what you mean exactly when you speak of, "food plots", and so called deer management.....

[coonskinner]

I want to start off by saying that I am not opposed to anyone hunting over or around "food plots". The big picture is that we all hunt over a food p[lot of some kind. I like to discuss and debate the benefits of the so called deer management that we are reading in the magazines and seeing on the shows. I don't want to ramble and I am by no means an expert. I want to share with you my experience with land management.
I own 55 acres and started by clear cutting 1 acre of land. I created edges in around and anywhere I could. Edges are defined differently, but deer absolutely have got to have them. This cut has 13 years of successional growth, I rarely hunt over it. One of the biggest bucks that I have ever seen in the woods came out of this tiny clearcut. I would like to see more people involved in "natural" land and wildlife management. Nature is a beautiful thing, and the best part is that for the most part it is free.

i agree 100%...:D

[buckstar25]

The term food plot has become synonomous with growing big deer. A food plot to me is an area in which you plant some sort of forage for the animals. Bio=logic, Tecomate, need I go on? Fertilizer, seed, equipment, etc there is now a commercial market for this aspect of hunting. When you plant a huge amount of a non-native...or even native forage in a certain area that to me is a food plot.

To mange deer for the purpose of shooting a big buck is not deer management, it is trophy deer management (big difference). The health of a deer heard does not depend on which food source you choose to plant. I do not agree with the way that some magazines, books, videos, etc. are "teaching" hunters to manage their property. I want to shoot a nice big buck just as bad as the next guy, but I won't compromise my hunting heritage and tradition by using the trophy deer management system. Trophy management to me is also part of the commercialization of hunting, do I agree with it? No, would I disrespect a guy for doing it? No. I had my eyes opened for me a few years ago, the guy who mounted my deer also raises them for trophy ranches. Long story short here......he informed me that there are people that will pay him to come sit in a 1 acre pen and shoot his 6 year old "shooter" bucks. This is when I do draw the line, I could not believe it when he told me that.

[coonskinner]

The term food plot has become synonomous with growing big deer. A food plot to me is an area in which you plant some sort of forage for the animals. Bio=logic, Tecomate, need I go on? Fertilizer, seed, equipment, etc there is now a commercial market for this aspect of hunting. When you plant a huge amount of a non-native...or even native forage in a certain area that to me is a food plot.

To mange deer for the purpose of shooting a big buck is not deer management, it is trophy deer management (big difference). The health of a deer heard does not depend on which food source you choose to plant. I do not agree with the way that some magazines, books, videos, etc. are "teaching" hunters to manage their property. I want to shoot a nice big buck just as bad as the next guy, but I won't compromise my hunting heritage and tradition by using the trophy deer management.

right on...trophy deer management for ME...or FOR PROFIT...:bouncy: now if thats the case you are not doing anythang for the herd in ohio...just on your land...one step from a high fence operation...:bouncy:

[buckstar25]

well said coonskinner. Wow I am a master sportsman now huh?:bowdown: 21 posts wooooo hooo! LOL

[buckstar25]

SO. Ohio, do you use food plots? If so do you buy a comercial brand or plant your own mixes.

[So. Ohio Outfitters]

buckstar25,
I agree with you on most of the things you've stated....I do agree with your definition of food plot, that's almost a given...I do agree with you on the fact that theres a difference between deer management and trophy deer management..Although the two kind of coinside in some aspects....however, I do think that if you have deer that eat on corn and beans, and then you have "Big Woods" deer, there's a difference...you'll have your exceptions, and theres plenty of big bucks out there that never have seen a corn field, but your going to have a better population around these areas with crop fields. I do believe that you'll have a plumper, heathier herd as well...I'm not saying that big woods deer aren't healthy, but for the most part, bucks will grow to their potential much faster and you won't have as many "scrub" bucks...its been proven over and over again, and its not a myth...so I do think that there are ways to improve the health of your herd...I also liked the points that you brought out about making natural edges, and having sancturaries, thickets that you don't even step in..some of the biggest bucks I've seen have been in areas of such, and they weren't anywhere close to a food plot...so this method is extremely effective..if you can designate a place they can go and hide without being disturbed, you'll have something...

now, as far as coonskinners statement that..."right on...trophy deer management for ME, or for profit, now if thats the case, you are not doing anythang for the herd in ohio...just on your land...one step from a high fence operation".....no matter how hard you manage...I doesn't even come close to shooting a pet deer in a pen. So to liken management to penned deer...na uh...:tsk: if you haven't tried it, and you don't even believe in even hunting food plots and never have, how can you make a statement about managing your deer herd, and then liken it to a canned hunt...its not one step away, and I bet the 120,000 QDMA members which includes me would agree as well...Just because you trophy manage doesn't mean it has to be in a pen...I respect the fact that you like to kill deer in their natural environment, and that you won't hunt food plots, but everyones different and you have to respect that....I HATE, and I mean HATE canned hunts...and then to liken that to something that many take pride in...hits a nerve...managing for big bucks takes years, and is extremely hard work..

buckstar25,

I rely on corn, beans, alfalfa, and purpletop turnips...the deer love it...that makes up 95% of the plots I have

[coonskinner]

I LEARN THIS STUFF FROM THE POSTS I READ ON HERE and other sites and with the hunters i have known all my life in where this is happening now,and with landowners who have been approached...one of my own relatives came and asked my opinion of this after someone knocked on her door offering her a deal,she was very skeptical about it but admitted she thought about it...well after our conversation i can say there wont be leasing her place...deep down she didnt want to kick off those she's knew all her life and i dont think she would have either,now kicking these guys off is enough for me to say that person or company cared less about other hunters......I PURTY WELL know whos out for themselves and who really cares about our deer herd and managing it for all hunters and for the better of all management and conversation of deer and wildlife in ohio...from the stuff i;ve read here its very obvious those in it for self satisfaction or profit or both...individuals should not be trying to take over thousands of acres of land,feeding deer miracle grow and calling it wildlife or deer management ,that is deer management for personal reasons,not for all hunters...its the odnrs job who does this...if there is to be deer management for the state or all hunters...we have the odnr doing this...i'm not against qdm which i think ohio has done a good job,but if its to be improved upon it has to be done for everybuddy and all of the state...if a guy buys a hundred acres or even leases,fine but when your dream is to lock up 1000s of acres and every farm in the county...thats where i have a problem...and there is hunters and companies trying to do that...and its something i feel must be stopped and /or regulated very closely making sure all is done legally on these places ...:D
its not my personal fear i will not have a place to hunt...i'm one who can buy land if i want or i can hunt on relatives or freinds...i can get permission on 20 farms tomorrow if i pick up the phone or make a trip to athens...not bragging or lying ...just fact...but i doubt any would give me sole hunting permission and i wouldnt ask or want that...these are my relatives,old schoolmates/classmates mainly...i'm not going to displace any other hunter,and theres no reason for me to get permission to hunt 20 more properties when i'm on several now/with other hunters there too...i hunt on them very seldom...hunting national forest almost xclusively...
now soon i too hope to buy a hunting paradise...and i plan on letting hunters on it too...without making them pay me...i know it can hold only so many hunters,so thats got to be held to a certain number...but i do know there will be no individual plots...no individual trail cams ...no 4 wheelers...which will illiminate some...i want to keep it as natural as i can with the local environment...money will not be the deciding facter on who hunts or dont hunt...and it wont be for personal growth in the hunting industry...and it wont be deer management/control either...thats the odnrs job...:D

[Darron]

I LEARN THIS STUFF FROM THE POSTS I READ ON HERE and other sites and with the hunters i have known all my life in where this is happening now,and with landowners who have been approached...one of my own relatives came and asked my opinion of this after someone knocked on her door offering her a deal,she was very skeptical about it but admitted she thought about it...well after our conversation i can say there wont be leasing her place...deep down she didnt want to kick off those she's knew all her life and i dont think she would have either,now kicking these guys off is enough for me to say that person or company cared less about other hunters......I PURTY WELL know whos out for themselves and who really cares about our deer herd and managing it for all hunters and for the better of all management and conversation of deer and wildlife in ohio...from the stuff i;ve read here its very obvious those in it for self satisfaction or profit or both...individuals should not be trying to take over thousands of acres of land,feeding deer miracle grow and calling it wildlife or deer management ,that is deer management for personal reasons,not for all hunters...its the odnrs job who does this...if there is to be deer management for the state or all hunters...we have the odnr doing this...i'm not against qdm which i think ohio has done a good job,but if its to be improved upon it has to be done for everybuddy and all of the state...if a guy buys a hundred acres or even leases,fine but when your dream is to lock up 1000s of acres and every farm in the county...thats where i have a problem...and there is hunters and companies trying to do that...and its something i feel must be stopped and /or regulated very closely making sure all is done legally on these places ...:D
its not my personal fear i will not have a place to hunt...i'm one who can buy land if i want or i can hunt on relatives or freinds...i can get permission on 20 farms tomorrow if i pick up the phone or make a trip to athens...not bragging or lying ...just fact...but i doubt any would give me sole hunting permission and i wouldnt ask or want that...these are my relatives,old schoolmates/classmates mainly...i'm not going to displace any other hunter,and theres no reason for me to get permission to hunt 20 more properties when i'm on several now/with other hunters there too...i hunt on them very seldom...hunting national forest almost xclusively...
now soon i too hope to buy a hunting paradise...and i plan on letting hunters on it too...without making them pay me...i know it can hold only so many hunters,so thats got to be held to a certain number...but i do know there will be no individual plots...no individual trail cams ...no 4 wheelers...which will illiminate some...i want to keep it as natural as i can with the local environment...money will not be the deciding facter on who hunts or dont hunt...and it wont be for personal growth in the hunting industry...and it wont be deer management/control either...thats the odnrs job...:D

Nicely said Coon. Good luck on your land purchase. It's nice to have a place of your own to go to. I plan on purchasing some more land in the next 10 years. The hell with leasing! After leasing a place for several years (at $25 an acre), you might as well buy it. It is great that you plan on letting others hunt your property when you buy.

[buckstar25]

[quote=So. Ohio Outfitters;200847]buckstar25,
I agree with you on most of the things you've stated....I do agree with your definition of food plot, that's almost a given...I do agree with you on the fact that theres a difference between deer management and trophy deer management..Although the two kind of coinside in some aspects....however, I do think that if you have deer that eat on corn and beans, and then you have "Big Woods" deer, there's a difference...you'll have your exceptions, and theres plenty of big bucks out there that never have seen a corn field, but your going to have a better population around these areas with crop fields. I do believe that you'll have a plumper, heathier herd as well...I'm not saying that big woods deer aren't healthy, but for the most part, bucks will grow to their potential much faster and you won't have as many "scrub" bucks...its been proven over and over again, and its not a myth...so I do think that there are ways to improve the health of your herd...I also liked the points that you brought out about making natural edges, and having sancturaries, thickets that you don't even step in..some of the biggest bucks I've seen have been in areas of such, and they weren't anywhere close to a food plot...so this method is extremely effective..if you can designate a place they can go and hide without being disturbed, you'll have something...

Sounds like you are doing some good with your operation. Big woods deer will also move to areas that have some sort of new growth. Fires, tornadoes, high winds, etc. will help these areas. I hunt on my 55 acres and we have a 80 acre bean field that adjoins ours, my buddy owns 139 and the nearest man made food source is 5 miles away. You want to talk about work.....but when your set-up is just right and the deer finally show up they are usually big REAL big. We used some oats, clover, etc to seed over the skidder roads. This to me would be considered a food plot, but I also used the mix for erosion control. 55 acres is not a lot of ground, but if I can hold 1 mature buck on the property my chances of success go up dramatically. My avatar pic is a 140" 10 that I had seen checking my property all bow season, but could not figure him out. I finally got his number during gun season. Thanks for the input so far guys, this is why I started the thread.

[So. Ohio Outfitters]

Thanks Buckstar25....I feel that were're doing a tremendous job and I pride myself on putting hunters on big bucks in a fairchase situation....Its not an easy thing to do....it takes a ton of dedication and time....I know what your saying though, about buying a new peice of property, and then watching it grow...I bought a piece that had a decent population on it, but it needed work however...there was a wide 10 with a drop on the right side, and a buck on there as well that had at least 18 scorable points....the reason I wanted this property is that I knew it had the POTENTIAL, it was then just making this property do the work...about 4 years back I seen a buck run onto that property that had 17 points, two drops both on the right side...a very unusal deer..so I knew the property had potential..I bought it, put some food plots on it and immediately started seeing results...the population has skyrocketed and its definitely paid off..if I hadn't put plots on there it wouldn't have happened....sounds like your putting to good use your property as well...

I think it boils down to difference of opinion....and I don't think you can really come to a realistic explanation as to why you believe a certain way or not by talking to this person or that person...I think a realistic view can be obtained by trying it out for yourself and then coming to a conclusion that way...I've done both...I also agree that the state should start mandating licenses for outfitters as well..I've actually personally called the state myself and asked questions regarding this and why its not being done...you can ask anyone that knows me, my word is as good as a contract, but its a shame that some "so-called" outfitters has taken advantage of hunters...that's why, when I don't have dates available that hunters want, I tell them not to book with someone just because they have the dates open they want..I'll recommend them to another reputatable outfitter before I see someone get taken....I care about my hunters, and I think that's what seperates a select few from the rest of the pack...

I understand where your coming from coonskinner, but Ohio is 4th in the nation, and I don't see it being long before we pass up 3rd..all these states are being leased up, and Ohio is just a step away...you have to do as the Romans do..

[buckstar25]

Try it for yourself is the best advice anyone can get when talking about this topic. I gotta get going my wife is hungry (and pregnant).................need I say more! LOL:yikes:

[So. Ohio Outfitters]

Try it for yourself is the best advice anyone can get when talking about this topic. I gotta get going my wife is hungry (and pregnant).................need I say more! LOL:yikes:

Oh my god...feed that woman or we'll have to hide you somewhere :hide:

[buckstar25]

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/gotwipers/100_0331-1.jpg

see if this worked, this is a 3 year old clearcut. Needs some attention, but for the most part has been left untouched. Especially today because it is NASTY thick in there. Cool it worked, this cut used to hold Sycamore (tons of it) not a very desireable tree. I heard the sap is like an herbicide, not too much grows underneath them. Anyway this as you can see is full of browse, mainly greenbriar, multi-flora rose, and blackberries. I have a pic that I will post of a yearling buck going into this area today. This is the kind of stuff the big boys LOVE! Best of all I got paid for doing it, not much but I got paid. LOL

[buckstar25]

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/gotwipers/100_0344.jpg

Not a very good pic, but this lil guy was heading in for an afternoon nap when he crossed my gas-line. The clearcut is @ 30 yards dead ahead of him. below is my "food plot" the neighbors 80 acre corn field.http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/gotwipers/100_0348.jpg

[coonskinner]

Thanks Buckstar25....I feel that were're doing a tremendous job and I pride myself on putting hunters on big bucks in a fairchase situation....Its not an easy thing to do....it takes a ton of dedication and time....I know what your saying though, about buying a new peice of property, and then watching it grow...I bought a piece that had a decent population on it, but it needed work however...there was a wide 10 with a drop on the right side, and a buck on there as well that had at least 18 scorable points....the reason I wanted this property is that I knew it had the POTENTIAL, it was then just making this property do the work...about 4 years back I seen a buck run onto that property that had 17 points, two drops both on the right side...a very unusal deer..so I knew the property had potential..I bought it, put some food plots on it and immediately started seeing results...the population has skyrocketed and its definitely paid off..if I hadn't put plots on there it wouldn't have happened....sounds like your putting to good use your property as well...



I think it boils down to difference of opinion....and I don't think you can really come to a realistic explanation as to why you believe a certain way or not by talking to this person or that person...I think a realistic view can be obtained by trying it out for yourself and then coming to a conclusion that way...I've done both...I also agree that the state should start mandating licenses for outfitters as well..I've actually personally called the state myself and asked questions regarding this and why its not being done...you can ask anyone that knows me, my word is as good as a contract, but its a shame that some "so-called" outfitters has taken advantage of hunters...that's why, when I don't have dates available that hunters want, I tell them not to book with someone just because they have the dates open they want..I'll recommend them to another reputatable outfitter before I see someone get taken....I care about my hunters, and I think that's what seperates a select few from the rest of the pack...

I understand where your coming from coonskinner, but Ohio is 4th in the nation, and I don't see it being long before we pass up 3rd..all these states are being leased up, and Ohio is just a step away...you have to do as the Romans do..

you mean pay to play...:bouncy:

[So. Ohio Outfitters]

Nice pics buckstar...

[buckstar25]

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/gotwipers/100_0335.jpghttp://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/gotwipers/100_0336.jpg

Ok I am pretty bad at this size thing. The one pic is my big platform stand that is overlooking this corn field.

[So. Ohio Outfitters]

Is that a trail cam pic? or a scouting trip pic with a camera?

[buckstar25]

all are on my scouting trip with my digital cam. I will post one of the fawn that I saw too. I was having a solo work party at my cabin, had to mow and stuff. I gotta run for a few minutes (pregnancy thing). I'll talk a lil later.

[coonskinner]

all are on my scouting trip with my digital cam. I will post one of the fawn that I saw too. I was having a solo work party at my cabin, had to mow and stuff. I gotta run for a few minutes (pregnancy thing). I'll talk a lil later.

corn fields are part of the environment in my area too and has been for years...if i plant anything it might be corn...but nothing with antler miracle grow...hard to tell what the long term effects will be with some of this stuff thats being used today to groe big racks instantly...:mischeif:

[buckstar25]

Corn is usually just a filler in the fall and winter months, I try and give the animals as much browse as I can. Blackhaw, spicebush, hawthorn,blueberries, apples, the list goes on. After the winter season i will make my way back up in the hills to find a maple (prefer red) to cut down. If you want to get some awesome pics or just enjoy a morning or evening in the woods try it. I usually wait until I can see the buds start to pop, I will drop the tree, take my firewood, build my brush pile and throw the bud filled tree top on the top of the brush pile. I have seen deer literally crawling through the tops to get at the uneaten and nutritious buds. This also eliminates another maple, something we here in Ohio need to do more often.

[buckstar25]

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/gotwipers/100_0344-1.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/gotwipers/100_0347-1.jpg



I am really hopin to see this guy again this year, this pic was taken Jan. of this year. He is sure to be a pig this year. This is off of my trail camer (35 mm) that is why it is BQ.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/gotwipers/100_0318.jpg

[coonskinner]

Corn is usually just a filler in the fall and winter months, I try and give the animals as much browse as I can. Blackhaw, spicebush, hawthorn,blueberries, apples, the list goes on. After the winter season i will make my way back up in the hills to find a maple (prefer red) to cut down. If you want to get some awesome pics or just enjoy a morning or evening in the woods try it. I usually wait until I can see the buds start to pop, I will drop the tree, take my firewood, build my brush pile and throw the bud filled tree top on the top of the brush pile. I have seen deer literally crawling through the tops to get at the uneaten and nutritious buds. This also eliminates another maple, something we here in Ohio need to do more often.

oh yes thats true...i seen what deer will do with the tops of oak trees(acorns)when they logged clelunns ,leavin the tree tops...it was a heavy mast year...i hid in the tops a couple times and could have touched deer by xtending an arra...what an xperience...:D

[BuckSlayer]

corn fields are part of the environment in my area too and has been for years...if i plant anything it might be corn...but nothing with antler miracle grow...hard to tell what the long term effects will be with some of this stuff thats being used today to groe big racks instantly...:mischeif:


Im still not convinced that any of those fancy products that are supposed to grow huge racks are any good...I think they are just natural products you can pick up at any feed store. They just advertise the huge racks and put monster bucks pics on the package to make people think they work.

[buckstar25]

I think some of them work for growing the big racks. Antlers need phosphates, sodium, not sure what else...... a little help on the technical stuff please. These seed companies can produce blends that will actually include all of the major components to build huge racks, but if the genetics aren't there you may end up with some crazy lookin racks.:dizzy:

[So. Ohio Outfitters]

I think some of them work for growing the big racks. Antlers need phosphates, sodium, not sure what else...... a little help on the technical stuff please. These seed companies can produce blends that will actually include all of the major components to build huge racks, but if the genetics aren't there you may end up with some crazy lookin racks.:dizzy:

I think there are SOME products worth buying. Like it was brought out, bucks need minerals, this advances antler growth...that's why on shows like Gettin Close, they focus on mineral stations..sometimes bucks need that little extra zip. If you do have a lot of crazy racks, cull bucks, that's were management comes into play..take them out of the herd...if you already have the genetics however, you might not need to focus on antler growth, just attracting them..there are seed blends and minerals that do both however...

[coonskinner]

a lot of producks put out for us hunters simply do not work and many are not even needed...:mischeif:

[buckstar25]

a lot of producks put out for us hunters simply do not work and many are not even needed...:mischeif:


Good point, as a manager/hunter it is our job to decide which ones will benefit the animals. Antler growth is as important to a whitetail as it is to us. I like to see the products focused on spring time nutrition. After a long winter you can use these to jumpstart the healing process of bucks and to also help the does that are carrying fawns.

[bowhunter1023]

I'll add my $.02 to this.

First off... Imagine that! Coonie comparing food plots to hunting in a pen. Couldn't knocked me over with a feather. George are you ever gonna get out of the stone age sketicisim you are trapped in and realize that a lot of us that choose to manage our land do so because we enjoy doing just that? It ain't always about the money or the fame...

Secondly... Like I mentioned above, I "manage" because I love to do so. I say "manage" because I only have 80 acres under my control. My goal is to harvest 2-3 does every year and to let bucks walk until they reach 3 1/2 years old and then judge them from there. I plant food plots because I really enjoy it. There is something about working the land in the summer and busting your arse and then come fall there is a nice green patch of food where there was once nothing. Its not about the money, the fame, or the racks for me. It is about being out there and doing anything I can do to make my property more appealing to all wildlife. I respect that animals I hunt. Providing the best of everything for them is just something I enjoy.

This past weekend I prepared a 1/10th acre patch that lies within 50 yards of 20 acres of corn. I plan on planting Tecomate Ultra Forage sometime in the next day or two. This combination of brassicas, turnips, and fetch will provide a tasty treat after the first frost cures the sugars in the plants. I hope to spend many an hour watching deer feed in this plot on the way to the corn this year. I am not allowing anyone to shoot anything on the plot until November 1-14, and only for that time. The rest of the season it will be for observation only.

Here is what I started with:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/bowhunter1023/100_0779.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/bowhunter1023/100_0781.jpg

How we did it:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/bowhunter1023/100_0782.jpg

What we got:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/bowhunter1023/100_0798.jpg

[buckstar25]

looks pretty good, is that all with the disc? Have you done any other management i.e. timber harvest, re-planting, etc.? Do you have a over abundance of does?

[bowhunter1023]

looks pretty good, is that all with the disc? Have you done any other management i.e. timber harvest, re-planting, etc.? Do you have a over abundance of does?

All with a disc and a 420 Rancher. (We did weedeat and rake off some of the grass from last year.) And some buddies and few ice cold Busch Lights :D This is the first attempt at habitat management for me. The area where my food plot is was select cut about 7 years ago. The properties to the East and to the West of us was select cut this year. Because we have such a small parcel, these areas are going to benefit us as well. We do have a ton of does. However, the nice I can see from my trail cam pics is they throw a 2:1 buck to doe fawn ratio. Last year both does I harvested had 2 button buck fawns with them. The doe my fiance harvested had one BB fawn. This year I have 2 does that have twin BB fawns.

[coonskinner]

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/gotwipers/100_0331-1.jpg

see if this worked, this is a 3 year old clearcut. Needs some attention, but for the most part has been left untouched. Especially today because it is NASTY thick in there. Cool it worked, this cut used to hold Sycamore (tons of it) not a very desireable tree. I heard the sap is like an herbicide, not too much grows underneath them. Anyway this as you can see is full of browse, mainly greenbriar, multi-flora rose, and blackberries. I have a pic that I will post of a yearling buck going into this area today. This is the kind of stuff the big boys LOVE! Best of all I got paid for doing it, not much but I got paid. LOL

looks like the wayne!!!:D

[coonskinner]

I'll add my $.02 to this.

First off... Imagine that! Coonie comparing food plots to hunting in a pen. Couldn't knocked me over with a feather. George are you ever gonna get out of the stone age sketicisim you are trapped in and realize that a lot of us that choose to manage our land do so because we enjoy doing just that? It ain't always about the money or the fame...

Secondly... Like I mentioned above, I "manage" because I love to do so. I say "manage" because I only have 80 acres under my control. My goal is to harvest 2-3 does every year and to let bucks walk until they reach 3 1/2 years old and then judge them from there. I plant food plots because I really enjoy it. There is something about working the land in the summer and busting your arse and then come fall there is a nice green patch of food where there was once nothing. Its not about the money, the fame, or the racks for me. It is about being out there and doing anything I can do to make my property more appealing to all wildlife. I respect that animals I hunt. Providing the best of everything for them is just something I enjoy.

This past weekend I prepared a 1/10th acre patch that lies within 50 yards of 20 acres of corn. I plan on planting Tecomate Ultra Forage sometime in the next day or two. This combination of brassicas, turnips, and fetch will provide a tasty treat after the first frost cures the sugars in the plants. I hope to spend many an hour watching deer feed in this plot on the way to the corn this year. I am not allowing anyone to shoot anything on the plot until November 1-14, and only for that time. The rest of the season it will be for observation only.

Here is what I started with:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/bowhunter1023/100_0779.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/bowhunter1023/100_0781.jpg

How we did it:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/bowhunter1023/100_0782.jpg

What we got:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/bowhunter1023/100_0798.jpg

i dont recall saying all did this...i am speaking of those i've read their posts here and its obvious who they are...i speak of those that are in it to profit and those that are in it for personal gain/fame...so if you are not in that category then i'm not talking about you...and i wasnt...some will spend a lot of money to be famous and theyll lease up all the farms/private land they can just to achieve this...and some just want to be in the business of leasing land to other hunters...thats what i am talking about...i believe i mentioned this is not about a guy who leases or buys a 20-100 acres place...its about leasing companies that will lease up the whole county if they can...thats my main thing i'm speaking of...they want the whole thing...:D

[buckstar25]

That clearcut is not in the Wayne, that lil thin strip in the middle used to be a 4 wheeler/skidder road. I had 13 acres chipped out 3 years ago, I asked the crew to take out the Sycamores and this is what the end result was. 3 years of growth, we had an absolute GIANT up 3 different times last gun season and he would never come out of this thicket. We finally got him to break and the guy on stand was talkin on his cell phone.................:tsk::rant::tsk::rant::irked :!!!!!!!!

Coonskinner, I went to Hocking College and hunted what is now Monday Creek (used 2b Sunday Creek). We hunted on Wayne also but we found a honey hole on the coal company. My buddy shot a 170" 10 during bow season.

[wvbowhunter]

right on...trophy deer management for ME...or FOR PROFIT...:bouncy: now if thats the case you are not doing anythang for the herd in ohio...just on your land...one step from a high fence operation...:bouncy:


Wow, u and darron should get married..u'd make uh purfect match. :whistle: Sounds like to me coonskinner, your all about u and thats it. you said it urself, trophy management for me, so you'd rather sit back and let the state dish out the money for plots instead of you dishing out money. u'd rather let someone else do al the work of putting in plots instead of you doing it. yep, makes good sense, lazy more like it. you'd rather hunt deer "natually" instead of using foodplots, more like, to lazy to make plots so I'd rather say I'm against hunting plots and call it even. :cheeky-smiley-022: Hell, come across the river and let me show you some places we put plots and then tell me which is harder, hunting naturally or putting in plots. I'd guarentee you'd think differently :nono: u said urself, if you do trophy management on ur own property u might as well be in a high fence. ur about as far out in left field as you can get away from everyone else, except for maybe darron:coco:

as far as I'm concerned, the only thing I'm hearing come from ur mouth is jealousy. Some like hard work, and the others get left behind, guess where ur at:woohoo1:

[MallardMan]

:yeahthat: :biggrin:

[wvbowhunter]

:yeahthat: :biggrin:


I second that. now mu .02 cents worth says I remember when coonskinner was worried about someone coming in and putting plots on a peice of property he was hunting. Then his exact words were, "I'll hunt right next to them", then it wasn't until everyone politely reminded him that he doesn't like to hunt plots he changed his story. Hmmmmm, again, hes willing to hunt something someone else planted. Imagine that. Its called a poser. :irked:

[coonskinner]

That clearcut is not in the Wayne, that lil thin strip in the middle used to be a 4 wheeler/skidder road. I had 13 acres chipped out 3 years ago, I asked the crew to take out the Sycamores and this is what the end result was. 3 years of growth, we had an absolute GIANT up 3 different times last gun season and he would never come out of this thicket. We finally got him to break and the guy on stand was talkin on his cell phone.................:tsk::rant::tsk::rant::irked :!!!!!!!!

Coonskinner, I went to Hocking College and hunted what is now Monday Creek (used 2b Sunday Creek). We hunted on Wayne also but we found a honey hole on the coal company. My buddy shot a 170" 10 during bow season.
yup i know sunday and monday creek...the actual creeks are abour miles apart...sunday creek comes into the hocking at chauncey and monday goes into the hocking at new floodwood or about a half mile -mile from hocking tech...my cousin leases a lot of land along sunday creek ...for farming...:D

[Darron]

Wow, u and darron should get married..u'd make uh purfect match. :whistle: Sounds like to me coonskinner, your all about u and thats it. you said it urself, trophy management for me, so you'd rather sit back and let the state dish out the money for plots instead of you dishing out money. u'd rather let someone else do al the work of putting in plots instead of you doing it. yep, makes good sense, lazy more like it. you'd rather hunt deer "natually" instead of using foodplots, more like, to lazy to make plots so I'd rather say I'm against hunting plots and call it even. :cheeky-smiley-022: Hell, come across the river and let me show you some places we put plots and then tell me which is harder, hunting naturally or putting in plots. I'd guarentee you'd think differently :nono: u said urself, if you do trophy management on ur own property u might as well be in a high fence. ur about as far out in left field as you can get away from everyone else, except for maybe darron:coco:

as far as I'm concerned, the only thing I'm hearing come from ur mouth is jealousy. Some like hard work, and the others get left behind, guess where ur at:woohoo1:


We can tell you went to school in West Virginia. Learn how write! Just an FYI, "u" should be spelled as "you". Talk about lazy. You have no room to talk. Also, when you write someone's name the first letter should be capitalized.

My, please go back to school and finish the 5th grade, regards

[wvbowhunter]

We can tell you went to school in West Virginia. Learn how write! Just an FYI, "u" should be spelled as "you". Talk about lazy. You have no room to talk. Also, when you write someone's name the first letter should be capitalized.

Oh my gaud, what r u the grammer police? :idea:

[Darron]

That's funny you said that because I have been called the same thing by my students. I take it as a compliment. ;) A lot can be said about how a person writes.

[wvbowhunter]

That's funny you said that because I have been called the same thing by my students. I take it as a compliment. ;) A lot can be said about how a person writes.


Wow, so with that being said, your probably retawded :coco:

those poor, pitifull students

I think i found out what is wrong with the educational system

[Darron]

You want to know the problem with the educational system today? It's parents who don't get involved with their child's education. If their parents don't care, why should they?

I'll end this conversation. You need to get to bed for school tomorrow. Don't forget your grammar homework.

[wvbowhunter]

Ok, don't forget to tell snowwhite and your 6 brothers hi for me

[Steve]

I'll end this conversation and this thread. You guys need to learn to get along.