160fps vs. 200 fps...

[coonskinner]

well trads...advantages,disadvantages,lets discuss it...:mischeif: well any comments from the peanut gallery...:D

[tuffshot]

SPEED KILLS ..............................:whistle:

[Thunderflight]

Speed doesn't matter if you can't hit what your aiming at.:whistle: :whistle: ;) ;)

[hunTer06]

very true

[tuffshot]

Speed doesn't matter if you can't hit what your aiming at.:whistle: :whistle: ;) ;)


AIMING ??????? :yikes:

[mullskinner]

SPEED KILLS ..............................:whistle:

speed kills in high school football ...........:coolgleamA:

[mullskinner]

AIMING ??????? :yikes:

:eek: :yikes: :yikes:

[geezer II]

Well what part of the quantum theory don't you understand :confused: :coco:

ENERGY -

VELOCITY SQUARED x ARROW WEIGHT IN GRAINS - DIVIDED BY 540,240 = FOOT POUND OF ENERGY
:yeahthat: :mischeif:

[bowmiller]

for hunting, speed don't mean a thing to me. I shoot the heaviest arrow that my bow will shoot properly. I'd rather have a 700 grain arrow traveling at 160fps than a 450 grain arrow traveling 190fps. heavy arrows make bows quieter(because they make them more efficient), are less likely to be thrown off course by the little twig you didn't see out there 40 feet away, and most importantly, penetrate living tissue and bone better than lighter arrows. speed is a marketing gimmick.

[mullskinner]

Well what part of the quantum theory don't you understand :confused: :coco:

ENERGY -

VELOCITY SQUARED x ARROW WEIGHT IN GRAINS - DIVIDED BY 540,240 = FOOT POUND OF ENERGY
:yeahthat: :mischeif:

frigg'n high tech "gizmo":rolleyes:

nerd ..:cheeky-smiley-022: :cheeky-smiley-022: :cheeky-smiley-022: ;)

[bowhunter1023]

I heard carbons with pink fletchings made you bow faster. Anyone know if thats ture? :mischeif: :shhh:

[COB]

TF and Bowmiller with words of wisdom on the same thread. Damned will wonders never cease? :whistle:

[coonskinner]

WELL YOU KNOW I DEFINATELY AGREE ON THE MARKETING GIMMICK...:mischeif:

[bowmiller]

well if that ain't beatin around the bush, I don't know what is, Coonie.:16suspect1: :chicken:

you gonna weigh in or not? you started this thread for chrissakes.:confused:

:D

Ted, don't sound so surprised. :irked: even us young bucks know that speed don't much matter if you make sure you can count their eyelashes before you ventilate them. :mischeif: did you know that grey squirrels have an average of 39 eyelashes? black bears only have about 20. weird...

[deerhunt45]

..."speed don't much matter if you make sure you can count their eyelashes before you ventilate them."

That's sound philosophy right there!!! http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif

I like it A lought ;) :D :coolgleamA:

[COB]

Don't like em that close UT. I always git blood on me!

[geezer II]

I heard carbons with pink fletchings made you bow faster. Anyone know if thats ture? :mischeif: :shhh:

Oh hellz yes - seen it muh self at stumpy's - uhm i think mull could shed light on this - heh heh - hear he's got a trad friend that will be makin up some carbonz this winter - heh heh :shhh: :mischeif:

[coonskinner]

Oh hellz yes - seen it muh self at stumpy's - uhm i think mull could shed light on this - heh heh - hear he's got a trad friend that will be makin up some carbonz this winter - heh heh :shhh: :mischeif:

well he did custom pink xbow bolts...sooooooooooooooooooo:biggrin:

[Thunderflight]

TF and Bowmiller with words of wisdom on the same thread. Damned will wonders never cease? :whistle:

Shhhhhhhhhh........:whistle: :bouncy: :whistle: :bouncy: :whistle:

[coonskinner]

well if that ain't beatin around the bush, I don't know what is, Coonie.:16suspect1: :chicken:

you gonna weigh in or not? you started this thread for chrissakes.:confused:

:D

Ted, don't sound so surprised. :irked: even us young bucks know that speed don't much matter if you make sure you can count their eyelashes before you ventilate them. :mischeif: did you know that grey squirrels have an average of 39 eyelashes? black bears only have about 20. weird...
well you said basically what i'd say...i like to counter punch...let the others speak first...that was my intention when i started this...let others speak first...but at this point i will add...its getting close to the animal that really makes my heart pound...the closer i am the harder it pounds...lets me know my heart is still good...makes me feel good to trick a deers senses...and the less the high tech the better...like i say..."10 yds. and in makes me grin"...so at that close who needs speed...even a 1000gr. arrah will shoot flat at that distance and pass thru anything you hit,most of the time...but at that distance so will a 2213 orange xx75 29" long tipped with a 2 blade fred bear razorhead...its the ultimate challenge in hunting the whitetail...thats what i crave...thats bout all i need to say...but i'll roll with the punches...punch on...:D

[geezer II]

well you said basically what i'd say...i like to counter punch...let the others speak first...that was my intention when i started this...let others speak first...but at this point i will add...its getting close to the animal that really makes my heart pound...the closer i am the harder it pounds...lets me know my heart is still good...makes me feel good to trick a deers senses...and the less the high tech the better...like i say..."10 yds. and in makes me grin"...so at that close who needs speed...even a 1000gr. arrah will shoot flat at that distance and pass thru anything you hit,most of the time...but at that distance so will a 2213 orange xx75 29" long tipped with a 2 blade fred bear razorhead...its the ultimate challenge in hunting the whitetail...thats what i crave...thats bout all i need to say...but i'll roll with the punches...punch on...:D

The ultimate challenge fo muh it takin and makin loooooooooooooooooong shots :mischeif:

[deerhunt45]

The ultimate challenge fo muh it takin and makin loooooooooooooooooong shots :mischeif:

Long shots at what :nono: :rolleyes: ;) :D

[geezer II]

Long shots at what :nono: :rolleyes: ;) :D

What ever your skill set allows - been that way since sniper school - dang :mischeif:

[mullskinner]

What ever your skill set allows - been that way since sniper school - dang :mischeif:

now i knowz were all dat long range mentality is a comm'n from ...:rolleyes: :)

your a marine sniper .......:coolgleamA: :coolgleamA:
that's why you like tuh play with guns ....:biggrin: http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f61/123sknr/usa.gif

[coonskinner]

oh man...sniper...old crackshot...:yikes:

[mullskinner]

oh man...sniper...old crackshot...:yikes:


that ole' sum gun been hold'n out on us coonie ...:eek:

i knew there was sum'ting different bout him ..:rolleyes:
just couldn't put muh finger on it ..:nono: :nono: :nono: :coolgleamA:

[coonskinner]

that ole' sum gun been hold'n out on us coonie ...:eek:

i knew there was sum'ting different bout him ..:rolleyes:
just couldn't put muh finger on it ..:nono: :nono: :nono: :coolgleamA:
he's a crack shot mully...:eek:

[deerhunt45]

What ever your skill set allows - been that way since sniper school - dang :mischeif:

:coolgleamA: :D

[mullskinner]

his crack shows mully...:eek:

:eek: he were's bibs his crack doan show ...:rolleyes: :bouncy: :bouncy: :biggrin:

[deerhunt45]

At 20 yards...

160 fps = .375 secs, or roughly 2 1/2 blinks of the human eye.
200 fps = .300 secs, or roughly 2 blinks....................

http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/dunno.gif

[mullskinner]

this hole thing is outa hand !!!!!!!!! uhm gonna go shoot some woodies ......:eek: ;) :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :cheeky-smiley-022:

[deerhunt45]

this hole thing is outa hand !!!!!!!!! uhm gonna go shoot some woodies ......:eek: ;) :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :cheeky-smiley-022:

Sounds like a plan :mischeif:
Have a great afternoon ya ole mullskinner ;) :D

[mullskinner]

Sounds like a plan :mischeif:
Have a great afternoon ya ole mullskinner ;) :D

;)

[geezer II]

At 20 yards...

160 fps = .375 secs, or roughly 2 1/2 blinks of the human eye.
200 fps = .300 secs, or roughly 2 blinks....................

http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/dunno.gif

its about foot pounds of energy - in the formula you will see that the velocity is squared but the arrah weight stays linerar - soooooooo a small change in speed will give you a much greater increase in energy then a small increase in arrow weight - its KENETIC ENERGY that determines arrow peneration :D

[geezer II]

At 20 yards...

160 fps = .375 secs, or roughly 2 1/2 blinks of the human eye.
200 fps = .300 secs, or roughly 2 blinks....................

http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/dunno.gif

voodoo balistics - uhm it ya drop a feather and coonskinner from a height of 100 feet in a vacuum - which one will hit first - or will cob and mully every switch over to x-bows - heh heh :mischeif: :mischeif:

[mullskinner]

voodoo balistics - uhm it ya drop a feather and coonskinner from a height of 100 feet in a vacuum - which one will hit first - or will cob and mully every switch over to x-bows - heh heh:mischeif:

did you just say mully, cob and string gun in the same sentence :confused: :rolleyes: :( :rant: :rant: :tsk: :cheeky-smiley-022: :bouncy: ;)

[mullskinner]

voodoo balistics - uhm it ya drop a feather and coonskinner from a height of 100 feet in a vacuum - which one will hit first - or will cob and mully every switch over to x-bows - heh heh :mischeif: :mischeif:

voodo balistics ...i gotta hand it to geezer that right der is funny !!!:bouncy: :bouncy: :biggrin: :biggrin:

[coonskinner]

voodoo balistics - uhm it ya drop a feather and coonskinner from a height of 100 feet in a vacuum - which one will hit first - or will cob and mully every switch over to x-bows - heh heh :mischeif: :mischeif:
ok which is heavier a ton of coal or a ton of feathers...:mischeif:

[bowmiller]

for those of you who think that speed and kinetic energy are more important than the weight of you arrow please take the time to try this little experiment:

get a throwing machine that will handle something the size of a golf ball and a chronograph.

set it up to shoot a ping-pong ball 300 fps and stand 45 feet away and shoot yourself in the chest with the ping-pong ball going 300 fps. record resulting injuries.

now set up thrower to launch a golf ball at 180 fps and stand 45 feet away and shoot yourself in the chest with the golf ball. if you are still living, record resulting injuries.

heavy things are harder to stop once they are in motion. they tell me that is called momentum.

[bowmiller]

please disregard my last post as it was made only in jest. only an idiot would actually try this and most likely would be killed. since some of you might be idiots, seems best to clarify. besides, nobody hunts with golfballs or ping-pong balls anyway.

[mullskinner]

please disregard my last post as it was made only in jest. only an idiot would actually try this and most likely would be killed. since some of you might be idiots, seems best to clarify. besides, nobody hunts with golfballs or ping-pong balls anyway.

:eek: to late jamie ..i tryed it ...:rolleyes: i just kept jump'n the ball ...;)

[bowmiller]

happy you didn't hurt yourself.

[deerhunt45]

:eek: to late jamie ..i tryed it ...:rolleyes: i just kept jump'n the ball ...;)

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/rofl.gifhttp://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/rofl.gifhttp://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/rofl.gif That's hilarious... Jamie...I knew somebuddie would have to try it sos they could prove ya wrong :rolleyes: :dizzy: :cheeky-smiley-022: :D

[deerhunt45]

voodoo balistics - uhm it ya drop a feather and coonskinner from a height of 100 feet in a vacuum - which one will hit first - or will cob and mully every switch over to x-bows - heh heh :mischeif: :mischeif:

How many inches (of mercury) are you pulling in that 100 foot "vacuum" http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/rofl.gif http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/rofl.gif

Anyways, the feather would probably hit the target :cheeky-smiley-022: :mischeif: :whistle: :rolleyes: :D
And NO...but I seen pictures of mully shootin a wheelie bow :gaga: he he

[geezer II]

Wall if coonie left a train station at 4:00 am heading east at 55 mph with 10 box cars loaded with ping pong balls and cob left a trains station at the same time heading west on the same track as coonie 49 miles away traveling at 35 mph - and was haulin 10 box cars loaded wif golf balls -when the met would Mully buy breakfast :confused: :whistle: ;)

[mullskinner]

Wall if coonie left a train station at 4:00 am heading east at 55 mph with 10 box cars loaded with ping pong balls and cob left a trains station at the same time heading west on the same track as coonie 49 miles away traveling at 35 mph - and was haulin 10 box cars loaded wif golf balls -when the met would Mully buy breakfast :confused: :whistle: ;)

no !!!!!

[geezer II]

:eek: to late jamie ..i tryed it ...:rolleyes: i just kept jump'n the ball ...;)

Yo Pingskinner - ya better quit golfin off and stop dat pongin around afore ya getz hurt -ha :p :D

[geezer II]

no !!!!!

Some how i knew da answer ta dat one - he he ;)

[mullskinner]

How many inches (of mercury) are you pulling in that 100 foot "vacuum" http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/rofl.gif http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/rofl.gif

Anyways, the feather would probably hit the target :cheeky-smiley-022: :mischeif: :whistle: :rolleyes: :D
And NO...but I seen pictures of mully shootin a wheelie bow :gaga: he he


you seen a picture of me drawing a bow with training wheels on it "45" but you never seen me shoot it ...;) :cheeky-smiley-022:

[mullskinner]

Some how i knew da answer ta dat one - he he ;)

:eek: ;)

[geezer II]

you seen a picture of me drawing a bow with training wheels on it "45" but you never seen me shoot it ...;) :cheeky-smiley-022:

Uhm 45 i seen Pingskinner pong dat bowtech - ask Jimmy - Jenn - Coonie - heh heh heh :mischeif:

[deerhunt45]

Wall if coonie left a train station at 4:00 am heading east at 55 mph with 10 box cars loaded with ping pong balls and cob left a trains station at the same time heading west on the same track as coonie 49 miles away traveling at 35 mph - and was haulin 10 box cars loaded wif golf balls -when the met would Mully buy breakfast :confused: :whistle: ;)

Does they both got just one engine on their trains :confused: And was them Titleist golf balls or Nike.... Dang, that's a tough one geez...shoot... :mischeif: ;) :D

Where was we...oh yeah...I'll buy breakfast :cheeky-smiley-022: :coolgleamA:

[mullskinner]

uhm done with this !!!!!:biggrin: :cheeky-smiley-022:

geezer's new bow .....:bouncy:
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f61/123sknr/wallb_45b3e07b81b3ageezersbow.jpg

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[deerhunt45]

you seen a picture of me drawing a bow with training wheels on it "45" but you never seen me shoot it ...;) :cheeky-smiley-022:

True...but now that certain folks done blabbed...it doan matter :cheeky-smiley-022: :coolgleamA: :D

[COB]

Now you tell us UT. I tried too but, there is always abut. I'm not as fast as Mully. Damned that hurts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :whistle:

[mullskinner]

Now you tell us UT. I tried too but, there is always abut. I'm not as fast as Mully. Damned that hurts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :whistle:

there is alway's a butt cobber ...:rolleyes: ;)

i jumped some never said i jumped them all ........:dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy::biggrin: ;)

[coonskinner]

for those of you who think that speed and kinetic energy are more important than the weight of you arrow please take the time to try this little experiment:

get a throwing machine that will handle something the size of a golf ball and a chronograph.

set it up to shoot a ping-pong ball 300 fps and stand 45 feet away and shoot yourself in the chest with the ping-pong ball going 300 fps. record resulting injuries.

now set up thrower to launch a golf ball at 180 fps and stand 45 feet away and shoot yourself in the chest with the golf ball. if you are still living, record resulting injuries.

heavy things are harder to stop once they are in motion. they tell me that is called momentum.
golf ball at 180=:dizzy:

pingpong ball at 300 =:D

[geezer II]

True...but now that certain folks done blabbed...it doan matter :cheeky-smiley-022: :coolgleamA: :D
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/oldschoolcrew/Jimmy/DSCF0920.jpg

[mullskinner]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/oldschoolcrew/Jimmy/DSCF0920.jpg

i don't member sqeez'n the trigger on that gun ...:dizzy: :dizzy: :cheeky-smiley-022: ;) looks photo shopped tuh me ...i'm a lot fatter than that ...

[geezer II]

i don't member sqeez'n the trigger on that gun ...:dizzy: :dizzy: :cheeky-smiley-022: ;)

Ya must o just squeezed the trigger as the pic was snapped - i can see the wheels startin ta turn :mischeif:

[coonskinner]

i don't member sqeez'n the trigger on that gun ...:dizzy: :dizzy: :cheeky-smiley-022: ;) looks photo shopped tuh me ...i'm a lot fatter than that ...

:nono:

[tuffshot]

Man! you guys gave up way to early on this one.

Something to concider. With the minumum bow weight for hunting being 40#'s and for those that like to shoot lets say 10 gr per # or even 12 gr per# for some that is supposed to be a respectable weight. You might get 150 to 16fps with that set up. Now take that same weight arrow and shoot it out of a 50# bow and increase the speed by 30 to 40 fps or even 50 with a well tuned more modern bow. (yes even modern wood) The KE, momentum and all other key factors have been increased.

In the environment of the deer hunting woods it is ever changing. In the early fall the thick canopy can deflect the sound straight down towards the intended target or can be absorbed, as the leave loose their grip and fall to the ground the trees open up changing the sound of any bow. too close and the deer may move faster than you think. I also read on every site where someone misses because the deer was too close and shoots right over the back. Partially because of the angle but also because of the reaction time of the deer.

[coonskinner]

Man! you guys gave up way to early on this one.

Something to concider. With the minumum bow weight for hunting being 40#'s and for those that like to shoot lets say 10 gr per # or even 12 gr per# for some that is supposed to be a respectable weight. You might get 150 to 16fps with that set up. Now take that same weight arrow and shoot it out of a 50# bow and increase the speed by 30 to 40 fps or even 50 with a well tuned more modern bow. (yes even modern wood) The KE, momentum and all other key factors have been increased.

In the environment of the deer hunting woods it is ever changing. In the early fall the thick canopy can deflect the sound straight down towards the intended target or can be absorbed, as the leave loose their grip and fall to the ground the trees open up changing the sound of any bow. too close and the deer may move faster than you think. I also read on every site where someone misses because the deer was too close and shoots right over the back. Partially because of the angle but also because of the reaction time of the deer.

if that was me,cause i said that...the deer didnt hear the bow...well anyway the deer did not react or move at the shot...so it did not jump the string which is the case with almost all my shots,my bows are very quiet...if its a miss...i just plain missed...i can not shoot steep angles well...case in point...it holds true on my rubber deer too...:D

[Thisbucks4u]

200 fps???? Why you guys shooting such slow bows? Aw heck, it dont matter. Just got a bow out tonight and just shot. Off the shelf ta boot-naw, Im not goin native- just too lazy to thread a rest into the riser. Felt real nice to shoot again. Somethings ya cant help but keep goin back to, I guess.

[mullskinner]

200 fps???? Why you guys shooting such slow bows? Aw heck, it dont matter. Just got a bow out tonight and just shot. Off the shelf ta boot-naw, Im not goin native- just too lazy to thread a rest into the riser. Felt real nice to shoot again. Somethings ya cant help but keep goin back to, I guess.

what's up buddie :confused: were the heck you been :confused:

:) :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

[Thisbucks4u]

Just got burnt out on it, and just now Im starting to have fun shooting again. I got a whoppin three hours of hunting time last deer season, and this year doesnt look to be much better- But, I gotta get ready either way, right?

[tuffshot]

Just got burnt out on it, and just now Im starting to have fun shooting again. I got a whoppin three hours of hunting time last deer season, and this year doesnt look to be much better- But, I gotta get ready either way, right?


Right!:bouncy:

[mullskinner]

Just got burnt out on it, and just now Im starting to have fun shooting again. I got a whoppin three hours of hunting time last deer season, and this year doesnt look to be much better- But, I gotta get ready either way, right?

heck yea yuh gotta be ready at all times !!!:bouncy: :bouncy:
good to see yuh back around ..:coolgleamA:

[steve1983]

speed is what you need