Hunting with Flint tip arrows

[jcdflint]

I'm into putting "STONE" through Deer's midsections. The range is usually under ten yards. These points put on a natural wood shaft in the proper manner will drill through a deer as good as any high tech. arrow made today. Im the first to admit there only for us few that like to get up close and personal , "face to face" with one that 's bloodshot eye's are not much more then a bow lenth away!!! try it and you'll know the primitive feeling that's not felt much these days. Enjoy - jcdflint:p

[Beau Martin]

jd do you knape the points yourself or do you have someone make them for you?

[jcdflint]

Beau, I do some flint knapping when I get a chance. I use points from Norm Blaker (Michigan) and others from Ohio and around. I make bows and arrows with natural materials. I really like puting the arrows together the most though. Every now in than I'll use a reknapped original point too . The feeling of using a point that some hunter made 5000 years ago, and using it again is cool!!!


Thanks Jeff Drown

[george tinkham]

i would like to compare points some day...i have seen others an they were not as sharp as my freddy bears...

[LookMa-NoHands!]

Sure hope you aren't using those in Ohio. They're illegal aren't they?

[jcdflint]

George, On flint points the sharp edge is totally different. The "SHARPNESS" lies in the valley. As you knapp the edge it causes a valley, that's the sharp part. The peaks are a lot duller so some people think flint points are dull. To prove the point (no pun ) I was at a show and a Guy pick up a stone knife blade and rubbed the endge. He thought it was dull. before we could explain, He put pressure and slid the blade across his hand. Well I think he bleed more than my last deer. You see, with a little pressuse they do work rather well. There's one hunter that knows to well. Be careful, flint "KILLS" Thanks Jeff Drown

[george tinkham]

yes i understand now...oh i do know they will slice you...and yes they are effctive...also i believe the ohio law states at least 2 cutting edges or something to that effct and the minimal diminsions...doesn't say it has to be steel or rock ...i don't actually know the rule on this but stone seems to qualify in all regards

[jcdflint]

Ohio law say's points must have mininum of two sharp edges. You must also have them 7/8 inches wide. 7/8 to 1 inch is a good arrow size . the taper of shaft that connects the head "MUST"not be blunt. That will slow down the arrow to much

[Thunderflight]

I think Hoot Gibson uses flint heads too. He said they really tear up a deer and will put one down quickly.

TF

[jcdflint]

TF, I think HOOT does use them, Say HI!!!! to Hoot for me, Thanks Jeff Drown

[Thunderflight]

I live in South Carolina. I've only met Hoot a couple times when I came home on leave.

Thunderflight

[george tinkham]

hoot gave muh son a obsidian head that weighed bout 1/2 pound...that woukd knock one out if it hit it in head

[Lunker]

How much is obsidian? I know a guy that knapps and he could make some cool heads from obsidian for me.

[jcdflint]

Lunker, I don't use much obsidian, but I'll check up on it for you. You can also do a web search " flint knapping obsidian" It might show prices and dealers. I'll get back

[george tinkham]

i believe its real affordable bout the cost of flint.i think it has a sharper point than flint but not as durable.and it looks nice too

[jcdflint]

Obsidian chip is the sharpest edge known to man. It has been used by Doctors for a super clean -fast healing cut. I'm shure its cheaper than flint too. You can also use glass that you can find at stain glass shops also. Another cheap solution if your starting into flintknapping is "JOHNSTONE" ,broken up porc. crappers.
It makes a very usable point. Go to a junkyard or dump there usually free! Jeff

[heydeerman]

I saw Hoot a few minutes after he hacked his hand real good knapping a head last year. Cut em wide open and bled for a couple hours till he went to the hospital and got several stitches. made a believer outta me. Bowmiller killed a doe with a knapped head last year. I think Hoot made it for him. I wouldnt mind giving it a shot someday.

[Thunderflight]

I'd like to learn how to knapp flint arrow heads someday. That would be pretty cool to make your own bow, arrows and arrow heads then kill a deer, hog, elk or turkey.

Thunderflight

[george tinkham]

the easiest to make is the bow...

[Thunderflight]

Man if the guys on the other site could see me now..... My reputation would be ruined....:)

Thunderflight

[george tinkham]

i think i will start a roomer you made a self bow /arrows using primitive tools(stone an bone)...jay massey style...next you will be joining atha

[jcdflint]

Jay was the first person that really looked at my bows. The first was a simple D-bow (still my favorite) of osage. I killed my first flint deer with it. It was a small button buck, It's still my fondest hunting memory. Iv'e killed a lot of bigger deer but that one still shacks my nerves,O ya!!!!! Jay made so many different bow that it became a "ART". He was like me , we saw the sweetness of a simple D-bow. It became a real extention of your body. I miss him, GOOD HUNTING JAY!

[george tinkham]

my first bow was made from reading the bowyers craft...after 12 yrs. the hickory self bow still casts an arrah purty durn far...

[jcdflint]

George, E-mail me sometime I'd like to hunt this fall together if possible. Maybe we could "flint "a deer or two and roast a few fresh deer backstraps on a glowing camp fire. A plate of that with a pile of wild rice makes me wish it was fall already, Jeff Drown

[Thunderflight]

BV,

I'm surpised you haven't started any rumors yet...:)

Thunderflight

[george tinkham]

jcdflint...right now i hunt with a 1964 shakespeare neceda at 55# 55"...currently using alum. shafts but that could change to cedar...i sometimes take out a indian d style bow,no cut in window or rest self bow for whitetail...hard shootin/accurate osage

[george tinkham]

well i have finally got muh garage cleared out,an the table cleared too...black cherry staves abound...i've got em cut 4" wide and bout 56" long...now somewhere there is some honey locust amongst the walnut ,hickory hedge apple and whatever else is in there.some will be shooters,some wall hanger indian bows to sell at muh yardsale

[vvarmitr]

Did ya find the key to your gun safe while you were in there? :D

[Lunker]

George when are you going to start teaching us how to make a bow? Im sure youde make a great instructor, so how bout it eh? Do you have any pictures of your bows or the building process? I know I would love to see them.

[Thunderflight]

Sounds like a buncha kindlen.....:)

Thunderflight

[george tinkham]

after from 3-8 yrs. dryin ,yup prolly do a campfire proud...

[Thunderflight]

How long are you supposed to let them dry?

For bow making, not kindl'n.

Thunderflight

[george tinkham]

it can be done in 30 days more or less

[Thunderflight]

How long does it normally take to make one?

A bow,,, not a fire...:D

TF

[george tinkham]

for me...a week-a month-a year- 4yrs...i just work on them when i feel like it,no hurry,good for the wood too.

[Thunderflight]

What about strings? How hard are they to make?

TF

[george tinkham]

the flemish twist string is extremely easy to make...the string jig is the key...get the butler flemish twist video from 3 rivers.you be makin strings in an hour

[Thunderflight]

How about flint broadheads?

TF

[george tinkham]

i collect native american ones

[Thunderflight]

Ever make you own metal heads?

TF

[george tinkham]

no but i am thinkin bout it i got a buddy here that makes his from spoons

[Thunderflight]

Spoons!!!?????

Them must be some tough soup spoons....:)

TF

[george tinkham]

SPOONS!!!LETS GO ELK HUNTIN,BAYYYYYBEEEEE

[jcdflint]

I also make a real tough string from artifical sinew and bees wax. They last forever. I've made and used flat metal trade points. They make a great point. I use very heavy band steel or plate steel that I heat treat after making. I use a hack saw to split shaft, and then sinew it in tight. You must taper shaft to eliminate a blunt end . same as a flint arrow. a little epoxy holds them in place till you sinew it. a good few coatings of varnish seals it fine.
Don't make point to big though About 7/8 inch wide and 1 1/4 inch to 1 1/2 inches long work great for me! If done right they fly great and deep. If anyone would like to get together for a weekend and make some, We could do a seminar get-together.

[Thunderflight]

Man I wish I lived there and had the time. I'd bet it would be very intersting and educational.

TF

[jcdflint]

TF, I'll send you some materials to get you started if you want?

[Thunderflight]

Man that would be great!!!!

Shoot me an email at my home address and let me know how much everything will be.

Thanks,

TF

[Thunderflight]

Man if the elitest on bowsite could see me now......:)

TF

[Beau Martin]

Hey flint that sound like a great idea. I would love to learn to make my own strings let a lone a bow or bheads. Let me know what you decide to do and when.

[hoot gibson]

thought you guys could hide, didnt you? :p

[george tinkham]

i told em the flint stuff would lure you in...hooter

[Thunderflight]

Well if Hoot's going to be surfing this site now then it will only be a matter of time before it goes down hill......:)

Now if we can just lure Ted, Jamie and Real Bow over too....:)

Thunderflight

[vvarmitr]

Originally posted by jcdflint
TF, I'll send you some materials to get you started if you want?
Hey Thunderflight: I bet if you offer flint a hog hunt for him & a buddy we .....err....I mean he may come & show you how it's done. :D

[Thunderflight]

Shoot I'll take anyone hog hunting if they want to go.

Bad thing is that I only have access to public land and it's only open during certain dates. I'll be deployed overseas this Fall so that ideal is shot out of the water. I'll be returning home just as the Spring season opens on the refuge. I may or may not have time to go...

We'll see how it goes.

TF

[vvarmitr]

Originally posted by Thunderflight
Shoot I'll take anyone hog hunting if they want to go.
TF
You hear that flintmeister? We gotta get ourselves some snakeboots! :D That probably means that you'll need to wear more than just a loin cloth. ;)

[jcdflint]

This tread is getting a great responce. There seems to be a lot of interest in "PRIMITIVE " bowhunting. We could do a gathering at my house on a weekend or maybe set up a seminar at a OSTA shoot this summer. What do you Guy's think. I bet HOOT would help too. Jeff Drown 740-269-2037

[jcdflint]

Ha vvarmitr, No "SNAKE' will keep me out of my loin cloth. I'll just
"CLUB 'UM"

[vvarmitr]

:D LOL:D I presume you mean w/ your bow? LOL

[jcdflint]

I'll "SPIT" in that snakes eye too!!!!!!

[Thunderflight]

You don't have to worry about the snakes, but I'd like to see you last for 15 minutes in the woods wearing a loin cloth.:D

The skeeters, flies and sand knat's will eat you alive.....:eek:

Bug Tamer suits and Thermacells are a necessity down here.

Thunderflight


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[george tinkham]

maybe realbow is here under an alias name...maybe the others too.who knows

[Thunderflight]

Nope ain't buying that one.

Nito (aka: Real Bow) has a "certain style" of writing....

I haven't seen it yet,,,, but I will admit that lil red did get me thinking....

Come to think about it,,,,, No one "really" has seen a picture of george tinkham (aka: bamboo viper) either......

uhmmmmmmmm........:) :D :D :D

TF

[george tinkham]

i am me an that is that...come to muh den an i can prove who i yam

[Thunderflight]

I plan too, but I'm bringing back up with me incase I start hearing banjos playing...:D

TF

[george tinkham]

DUELING BANJOS!!!

[vvarmitr]

I'd be outta there if I hear pigs squealing! :eek:

[hoot gibson]

there is always a tarp and sharp rocks at my osta camp. always makin little ones out of bigguns.

[george tinkham]

i have noticed this too.OSTA has lots of interesting things going on at shoots.