DNR allowing Metalic Cartridge Rifles?

[Bowhunter57]

There was some talk about Metalic Cartridge Rifles for the Deer Gun season in '07, toward the end of the '06 Deer Gun season. Has anyone heard any updates to the spectulation of this happening for the '07 Deer Gun season?

Any links to the DNR or other websites that would shed some light on this subject would be greatly appreciated. :)

Thank you, Bowhunter57

[coonskinner]

never heard about this...:mischeif:

[bigbucks]

have not heard that one 57, hate to say it but not likely
Try calling wildlife district two @ 419-424-5000
website www.ohiodnr.com/wildlife

[4man]

I've heard that for the last several years, maybe someday but I doubt it.

[lacure]

I am not a "rifle" guy...would this mean we would allow high powered rifles? If so, I am completely against it. Sorry, I just think the state is way too populated and in the areas where it is not, there are way too many hunters. I hunted in western PA while in grad school and it made me sick to watch hunters fire away at a deer running full speed at 250 yards away and not even walking to area to check for blood if the deer did not fall. Just my opinion.

[twh_60]

I heard something about it at 4H advisor's camp last fall at Canter's Cave. But was just in the talking stage at that point. Having lived in Montana and used rifle I have to agree it is too populated here for most part and where it is there are too many hunters in the area.

[deerhunt45]

45/70 :mischeif:

[Redhunter1012]

That might be one of the most harmful things they could do to our deer herd. With the tweeking of the seasons and bag limits they've been doing, I think they are keeping up with the population needs.

[Minker]

allowing the use of rifles with the same caliber restrictions as the handgun regs would not cause problems . those same calibers used in a rifle will only gain approx. 10% more energy and veloscity with the longer barrel. what you do gain is the use of an inherantly more accurate weapon , allowing for more deer to be harvested .

opening it up to pretty much any deer rifle caliber , yes very bad idea.

it has also been asked of the dnr to consider a black powder cartridge rifle season / or allow there use during gun season/primitive weapons season. todays modern inline muzzle loaders with scopes are a more lethal weapon than a black powder 45/70 rifle with iron sites . but both will kill a deer out to 200 yards if the shooter does his part.

how about a true primitive weapons season ?

smooth bore iron sighted flintlocks.

mark

[coonskinner]

allowing the use of rifles with the same caliber restrictions as the handgun regs would not cause problems . those same calibers used in a rifle will only gain approx. 10% more energy and veloscity with the longer barrel. what you do gain is the use of an inherantly more accurate weapon , allowing for more deer to be harvested .

opening it up to pretty much any deer rifle caliber , yes very bad idea.

it has also been asked of the dnr to consider a black powder cartridge rifle season / or allow there use during gun season/primitive weapons season. todays modern inline muzzle loaders with scopes are a more lethal weapon than a black powder 45/70 rifle with iron sites . but both will kill a deer out to 200 yards if the shooter does his part.

how about a true primitive weapons season ?



smooth bore iron sighted flintlocks.

mark

no i think it oughta go back tuh wheel locks only...:bouncy:

[geezer II]

no i think it oughta go back tuh wheel locks only...:bouncy:

MATCH LOCKS :mischeif:

[coonskinner]

well it all started tuh make the ignition better,from the beginning where they basically held just a barrel without a stock...and the main thang they wanted tuh always improve was a more reliable ignition...same can be said for matchlock,wheel lock,flintlock,percusssion an inline...an even with the inline since its advent,theyre still tryin tuh make a more reliable ignition...an second i would say is cartrige/powder improvement...which also has a lot tuh do with ignition...:mischeif:

[mulf]

Indiana is voting on it this year.

http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/about/rules.html

I've heard nothing about it lately for Ohio.

[coonskinner]

Indiana is voting on it this year.

http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/about/rules.html

I've heard nothing about it lately for Ohio.

will keep an eye on this...:mischeif:

[ohiosam]

One of the southern states, Mississippi, I think allows black powder cartridge rifles (i.e. 45-70, 38-55 etc). They can use smokeless loads. Don't know much else.

As far as safety I've never seen data showing rifle hunting states having more accidents then shotgun states. In Ohio accidents have been going down while more hunters are using firearms with improved ballistics. Accidents have more to do with education (or lack of) then the cartridge used.

[Eric45653]

I am not a "rifle" guy...would this mean we would allow high powered rifles? If so, I am completely against it. Sorry, I just think the state is way too populated and in the areas where it is not, there are way too many hunters. I hunted in western PA while in grad school and it made me sick to watch hunters fire away at a deer running full speed at 250 yards away and not even walking to area to check for blood if the deer did not fall. Just my opinion.

I am not totally oposed to high powered rifles with restriction. I am a muzzelloader hunter myself. I shoot 100 grains powder w/200 grain projectile. my muzzel volicity is probably about 2000 fps. Thats about twice a shotguns power. Your first shot is always your most accurate.Iif a restriction was in place that would say that you can only have (1) round contained in the gun at a time, or maybe "plug" the rifle so that it will only carry a single round, i dont think there is any harm. There are plenty of irresponisible hunters down here and that may prevent a "high power shooting freenze".

As a side note: I would love to get my hands on one of those 3 shot muzzelloaders that I hear going off during muzzelloading season!!!

[OHBOW76]

Leave things alone, there fien they way they are!

[Eric45653]

Leave things alone, there fien they way they are!

In your eyes...i bet they are!!

[OHBOW76]

Eric are you trying to stir something up? I 'm not quite sure where your going with that gutless jab you threw.

I see that you are for rifles but with restrictions, what a joke! I'm sorry but I think if you go with rifles its an all or none proposition. What your going to allow rifles, but only certain calibers? Good luck enforcing that one! Heck like you said you got guys using "3 shot muzzeloaders now", so what we are going to open up another can of worms for our ODNR officers to have to try and enforce. They have enough trouble now enforcing the laws and regs on the book, and when they do they get chastiesed for doing there job. Especially by people who nit pick everything they do, like coming on there land without a warrant, becuase they are attempting to curb poaching in the area.

Personally I feel that not allowing rifles doesnt make it safer but it definitely leads to bigger bucks. Look at the top trophy buck states, most are shotgun/muzzeloader only and bow.

[Eric45653]

Leave things alone, there fien they way they are!

This remark was gutless, and rude. I took it as an attempt to shut me down. How possibly could i change anything? I was merely responding to a post.

[Eric45653]

Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Indiania, and West Viginia all allow hunting with a high power rifle....Why not Ohio???

lets not turn Ohio into another "California"

[OHBOW76]

Eric,

Try not to be so touchy, I wasn't trying to "shut you down", just merely expressing how I feel in response to allowing rifles. It is true the states you mentioned do allow hunting with rifles, and since I grew up in PA I know all about hunting with rifles. I also feel that it doesnt make much sense to allow predator or varmint hunting with whatever caliber you choose but you are restricted when it comes to deer like here in Ohio. However when I said things are fine they way they are, I was just commenting on how great things are going in regards to the quality of deer hunting in OH. This occurs for a reason, ie, no rifle hunting, a long bow season, and great genetics and food. Would allowing rifles reduce the quality of deer hunting that exists in Ohio, I dotn know it would, but I also dont know it wouldn't so whay experiment with somehting going as great as it is. Sure the states you mentioned do allow rifle hunting but I wouldnt say the quality of hunting there is equal to Ohio. Like I said previously the states that consistently produce the largest amount of trophy bucks are those with no very limited rifle seasons. Also I dont knwo if you have ever hunted PA, but if you are willing to sacrafice quality deer huntign just so you can carry a rifle during deer season, you have an open invitation to join me on a PA rifle hunt if you ever so desire, not that I even bother much anymore, I would rather hunt in Ohio. And the California comment I dont even know where you are going with that one, because if Ohio ever got like California I wouldn't stay another day.

[deerhunt45]

45/70 :mischeif:

45-70 Government
What I think may be being discussed by the State is a proposal geared towards the single shot rifle or carbines in the straight walled cartridges...like the 45/70 Gov...a "traditional" and reliable cartridge out to 200 yards that drops like a stone thereafter.
Compare ballistics with a modern inline using 45 caliber projectiles, whether it's a sabot or a boatail etc...and custom powders...I don't see a lot of difference :confused:

I would also ask, how would it change the deer gun seasons we have now? Put another way.. how would it change the outlaws that already circumvent and break the laws?

[OHBOW76]

Deerhunt45,

I would love to be able to hunt with the 45/70, and logically it makes all the sense in the world. I am not arguing with you at all. But if you allow them then why not a 30-30, 35 Rem, etc? I wouldnt classify them as long range calibers either. Do you think they should allow rifle hunting statewide or county specific???

[ohiosam]

45-70 Government
how would it change the outlaws that already circumvent and break the laws?

Why should the outlaws have all the fun????

[deerhunt45]

Deerhunt45,

I would love to be able to hunt with the 45/70, and logically it makes all the sense in the world. I am not arguing with you at all. But if you allow them then why not a 30-30, 35 Rem, etc? I wouldnt classify them as long range calibers either. Do you think they should allow rifle hunting statewide or county specific???

Good point. Where would you draw the line?

IMO... with the 45/70 you are talking 300 plus grain bullets. What grain bullets you shootin out of your 30-30...185 ??? See what I'm getting at?

Interesting ballistics on the 35 Rem...however I still think this is too light of a combination for Ohio gun season...the reasons being obvious.

I think we may be discussing something that may not happen in our lifetime, and with urban sprawl increasing, it seems to me it would get less likely everyday. I could possibly see it happen in certain zones but...and there's always a but...

[Eric45653]

....touchy....touchy....LOL!! No problem!!!

Couple things about me:

1. I have a tendency to mouth off. Im sure you all figured that out! But if im right...im right.....and when im wrong...im wrong. I will be the first to admit it (either way). But i will always advocate for what is true. I think i proved that in my other posts.

2. I am a muzzy. I believe thats all the power you need (as of now).

ya know...the purpose of these type of forums is to see different views on a certain subject. I grew up in south jersey, and did all of my hunting in Chester, Deleware, and Bucks County PA (SE PA). When my brother-in-law came to visit my farm, and seen one of my mounts..he said..."Holy S!!!!T......you got that here!" I agree..I have never seen deer like here in Ohio. We used to joke in PA that deer there were "dogs with antlers", or "overgrown antlered rats". Why change anything???....it is working.

If you have a desire to hunt with a high power rifle...try ground hog, or coyote, or even (if you like) blow a squirrel away with a 30-06! (i tried...not much meat left.......just kidding)!!

Well, now for the second time, i have to say.... my opinion got changed!! (but dont let it all go to your heads):bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[OHBOW76]

Eric,

I see you mentioned Chester County, PA, let me tell you dotn gauge the state of PA on that county. The huntign is pretty darned good in SE PA, primarlity becuase its farms with very limited access and soem urban zones. We all know that type of makeup produces big bucks. Overall though you cant compare the state of PA to the state of OH and say PA comes remotely close quality wise.

[nratom45-70]

45/70 :mischeif:
I'll second that idea, hunted with them in WV. (note my username).