Brass 410 cases ?????????

[Catfish]

I`m looking for 3 in. brass 410 cases for a project that I`m working on. I have found a place that I can get 2 1/2 in. 410 cases, but would prefer 3 in. cases if I can find them, does anyone know hwere I can get them? Any help appreicated.

[george tinkham]

shhot i jus threw a slew of em away

[Thunderflight]

They still make .410's?

Can you still buy brass shells?

Thunderflight

[vvarmitr]

Okay Catfish after hours, & hours, & hours of research I've come up with some places to check out. I just hope all the time I put into this doesn't cost me a divorce lawyer!

GRAYBACK WILDCATS 5306 Bryant Ave, Klamath Falls, OR 97603
(541)884-1072 Found in The Varminter Hunter Magazine

SCHROEDER BULLETS 1421 Thermal Ave, San Diego, CA 92154-2834 (619)423-3523/8124 Found in Small Caliber News
Rick S. would be the 1st one I would call. :cool:

SIERRA 1-800-223-8799 Found in Rifle's Handloader & TVHM
If all else fails call these guys.

BALLISTIC PRODUCTS, INC PO Box 293 Corcoran, MN 55340
(763)494-9237 E-mail: info@ballisticproducts.com Found in Handloader

QUALITY CARTRIDGE PO Box 445 Hollywood, MD 20636
(301)373-3719 Website:htto://www.qual-cart.com
Found in Handloader

HUNTINGTON Website:www.huntingtons.com Found in Handloader. I think they use to be part of RCBS Reloading

OLD WESTERN SCROUNGER Website: www.ows-ammunition.com
Found in Handloader

AMMO DEPOT PO Box 303 Brighton, IL 62012-0303
(618)372-3641 Website: www.ammodepot.com F'd in Handloader

DIXIE GUN WORKS, INC. Gun Powder Lane, Union City,TN 38261
E-mail: dixiegun@iswt.com Website: www.dixiegun.com
Found this in the Double Gun Journal

This info is from all the current magazines. If you need any more help.......ASK SOMEBODY ELSE!:mad: Just kidding:D

[rodbuilder]

Old western scrounger willw work.

[Catfish]

vvarmintr,
Got through most of the list with no luck.
and rodbuilder, OWS is where I found the 2 1/2 in. brass but he has no 3 in. and his 2 1/2 in. is Berdan primed. Looks like this is what I may have to go with, but if dreams come true I`ll find some 3 in. brass with large rifle primers. There I go dreaming again. Thanks guys.

[vvarmitr]

Catfish: What is it that you're hoping to do if I may ask?

[Catfish]

I considering building a .410 slug gun on a .303 Enfield or a 7.62 x 54 R action of some kind. with my reloads it should be a 300 yrd. deer gun that is legal in Ohio.

[Flyin40]

You better check around before you do that. I don't believe it will be legal because of the metal casing which will allow for a higher pressure and able to use different powders. I think your going to end up with a custom rifle not shotgun.

Flyin40

[Ðe§perado™]

Sounds like your playing with the thin legal line of the rifle shotgun gray area....LOL

[Catfish]

The law says nothing about chamber presure or what kind of barrels must be used, since rifled barrels are now legal. As long as the gun is chambered to shoot 410 shotgun shell and the shells themselves say 410 on them it is a 410, and if you reload your own there are no reg`s on reloading. I`ve already talked it over with the local game warden and he concurs that it is legal. I would not want to get caught with .405 Win. ammo in my pocket though as it would fire through this gun as well as the .410`s

[vvarmitr]

Sounds like what you're making should be legal for elephants in most states. Something between a 416 Rigby & a 460 Weatherby Magnum.:eek: Bigger da Boom the Better da Blast!
If you just used the 2 1/2" shells you should be down in the 458 Win. Mag. range. Limiting I know. :rolleyes: Just how tough are the deer in your area anyways?:D

[george tinkham]

either a custom rifle or a blown up one...i think i'd check with the experts before shooting it...

[vvarmitr]

geu' tink': What do you think catfish & I are? Chopped liver er somppin? :p
Might want to check my spellin':D :D

[george tinkham]

well theres experts then there areEXPERTS...i am talkin about those that design the weapons

[vvarmitr]

Ooooh!
Now wait a minute. What do you think catfish & I are doing here.:confused: Catfish has a great idea here. Designing a cartridge for deer hunting that'll take an elephant with a 410 headstamp. :cool: Now that takes brains! And I 'll have you know that I'm married to a Browning, like in John M. Browning. If that isn't enough proof of my credablity! If you don't believe I'm good just ask me!:D :D :D

[Flyin40]

Though it may not state anything about chamber pressure and casing which I'm not sure what the law says exactly, your in no position to make that call. What it will come down to is the courts Interpretation of the law. As far as the rifling in the barrel think about the difference between a shotgun and rifle. A bullet from a shotgun never touches the rifling thats how they get away with it. Unless you plan to make a sabot casing for you .41, which actually you can't use that big a dia. bullet with a casing for your rifle more like a .38/9mm plus casing will equal .41/10mm
A rifle bullets uses the rifling to stablilze and and place spin on the bullet which makes it more accurate downrange. The fast burning powder creates higher pressure and more velocity on the bullet giving it the high energy/velocity and the light bullets are able to be stablized at those high velocities because of the direct contact with the rifling.

This shows the next problem with a shotgun because to keep it a shotgun a sabot casing has to be used so the bullet doesn't come in contact with the rifling. Using a sabot casing causes one major problem. The bullet is very hard to stabilize and thats why you see 300 and 400 grain bullets. The heavier bullets are the only way to stablize it to get an accurate round. Lighter bullets have been tried but very unsuccessful and not accurate at all.
The manufactors will continue to push the law to see how far they can go and will eventually make legislature redefine the law.
There are a few manufactures urging others not to psuh to far because the end result could lead back to using lead slug with smoothbores and all companies would then lose revenue from the sale of sabot slugs which is a major money maker.

As far as using the 300-400 yd range it is not needed anywhere in Ohio including Southeastern Ohio. Deer are a very easy animal to hunt, they use the same trails, same times day to day with the switches when seasons change. Large mature bucks, which I hunt almost exlusively is a whole different thing, mature I mean 140-150 or larger. All that is needed for does or younger bucks is some reading and time in the woods. You have to be in the woods to shoot a deer. I bow hunt for the bucks and only shotgun hunt for does but will shoot a nice buck is one comes my way because by shotgun season the deer are running crazy. All I'm saying is if you put some effort and time you can make 5 to 15yd shots on does and bucks every yr, there is no need to have a range of 300-400 yds.

Also have you checked out the ballistics on the sabot slugs and shotguns?? You can kill a deer at 200yds with winchester partition gold and a rifled barrel.

I'm not knocking you for trying to get an edge but its obviously a rifle round your making and without a doubt the law will agree. If you like tinkering keep at it and you might be selling your patent to remington and may make me eat my words.


Flyin40

[george tinkham]

especially in se ohio you do not need to shoot 2-3-400yds.to many trees ...like maybe on power lines but that is about it