Ohio Concealed Carry

[Lureboy98'sdad]

Anybody know anything about the current House Bill 12 proposed for Ohio concealed carry? Without reading a book, what are the proposed requirements for obtaining a permit? I looked at some of it, fee not to exceed $45, background check including fingerprinting (although it looked like there was a provision for the background check records to be destroyed within 20 days), didn't either see or get to the part about passing a fire arms class or qualifying with a handgun. Anybody been following alot closer than I have had time to do?

[bucktail]

http://www.ohioccw.org/

This is where I've been getting my info on the subject you mentioned, I hope it helps you in your quest. :)

What your looking for will be in a PDF format and it's 94 pages worth, I tried to post it but I'm having trouble getting it to come up.

[george tinkham]

ohio state patrolmen is against it if it allows carring a loaded weapon in a vehicle

[scott trout]

it will never happen:(

[george tinkham]

well we will wait and see

[Fisher]

It's sad to say, but as long as that spineless excuse of a govenor we have is still in office. We probably won't have a chance on getting that bill signed. This year, or any other year. The sad part of this is that the same piece of trash politician that promise Ohio gun owners that he would sign such a bill if we voted him into office. Is the exact same politician that is refusing to sign it today.

I admit that I voted for him. I won't make that mistake again.

[Thunderflight]

Just out of curiosity, but why do you really need to carry a concealed weapon?

I'm not flaming anyone because there have been times I wouldn't have minded having one, but for the average Joe,,,"Do you really need to carry a loaded gun" or "do you want the permit so you could if you wanted too"?

Thunderflight

[Lureboy98'sdad]

I frequent a cabin in the middle of nowhere with my 16 year old son. I never go without carrying a pistol. In inclement or cold weather, the gun is usually concealed under a coat, not to carry it concealed, just because that is the way it is with a holster on my belt. By letter of the law, I am in violation. Not to mention the times I fish all night at a spillway with Burt Reynolds and several of his friends from Deliverance:D

Then there was the time we were arrowhead hunting and an old beat up pickup truck pulled up with two guys and one girl with three teeth between the three of them, they might have been the nicest people in the world, but they surrrrrrrrrrre didn't look like it.

Need I go on?

[Fisher]

Thunderflight,
I do not need, nor would I carry a concealed weapon all the time. I have two reasons for want a bill like this to pass that would allow me to have a CCW permit. First, as a citizen I should have the right to defend myself and my family if need be. Since our local police department is admittedly out gunned and out manned. As is the case with virtually all of our police departments these days. I find it more and more difficult to trust that they will be there to protect myself, and my family. In the best of situations they will show up after the fact. The damage will have been done. Lives may have been lost and they are there to take a report. They are not there to prevent a situation, but to follow up on it. Please do not take this as a slam on the police officers out there. They have a tough job, and I for one would not want it.

Secondly, I hunt deer with a pistol here in Ohio. By our current laws on the books. I could be arrested for the following scenario. I am carrying my super blackhawk in my holster on my hip. It is loaded because I am hunting deer. As I walk down the logging road to my truck that is sitting on public hunting lands. The game warden steps out and asked me if I am carrying a gun. He knows that I am because he can see my holster. What I didn’t realize is that my coat had slipped down over my pistol and was now concealed by my coat. Hopefully the warden would understand and only give me a warning. On the other hand, he might arrest me and take my weapon from me. The worse case scenario is that I am arrested, booked with a felony count of carrying a concealed weapon and then forfeit that weapon. It is my understanding that a CCW could possibly eliminate this possibility. Although this scenario with the game warden has never happen to me. I have had my coat slip down over my pistol while hunting.

Would I carry a weapon to work or to church, certainly not. I would only carry a weapon if I felt that I had a need for one. There is a lot of responsibility that goes along with this type of permission. I have no problem with requiring classes, background checks and finger printing for this permit.

[Thunderflight]

Fisher,

I agree with your reasoning. I doubt I'd ever get one. There is alot of responsibily the minute you draw that weapon. Once you pull the trigger there is no turning back. You have just changed your life in a matter of a split second. Could be good, but most likely in the end it will be for the worst.

There are a few times I wouldn't mind it, but generally I try to practive a bit of ORM and avoid bad situations.

Thunderflight

[george tinkham]

well i know when i go to clelunns i carry after the mullin i got there but now my gun safe is busted and i cant get in it

[bucktail]

I don't see the need for most folks to carry a concealed weapon, now if you handle lots of cash that would be one scenario where it should be allowed. As far as hunting goes I see no reason why it could not be carried concealed (in the field only), I mean the wardens know your out hunting and in order to hunt you have to carry and when hunting your usually got a good layer of clothing on and it's hard to wear it on the outside without your clothes wanting to cover it up. I can't see citizens carrying them in public display, I'm all for gun rights but we have to draw a line somewhere. If everyone started carrying them then it would not be long before things would revert back to the old west way of living, not that everyone would go in that direction but it is a possibilty of events like this happening. So to sum up my opinion in the field I don't have a problem with it, or while carrying large sums of cash, but in public just because you have the right to carry it I don't see it because there is a potential problem when non-law abiding citizens who would abuse the right.

[Ðe§perado™]

I do carry a side arm when I'm out fishing at night or bankfishing at night. Mostly if I'm out by myself. While trapping you can carry a side arm. I have it in plain site in a holster. I have been checked several times with no problems. But you never know how the deputy that checks you will interrupt the laws. But working in Corrections you never know who will want to get back at you.

[MadCatter]

Every man or woman has the right to protect themselves against bodily injury .... The police do not protect, they enforce laws that have been broken .. if you don't believe this, call the police and tell them you feel you need to be protected ... I carry at all times when fishing at night, or camping... There are way too many criminals out there that know WHEN you are most vunerable. I know that CC has some drawbacks ... Bucktail .. I don't see how anyone carrying large amounts of money fits into the equation ... life takes presedence over property .. I don't even know if you can use deadly force to protect cash if you don't feel your life is in peril. Just because someone has cash doesn't give them any more rights to protect themselves than anyone else.. Do I want everyone out there carrying a gun . no, do I want honest law abiding people to be able to protect themselves, their family, and to be able to feel safe without breaking the law .. yes

[Ðe§perado™]

Sounds like some of you are not NRA members?

[bucktail]

I was refering to business owners on the large sums of cash, if I'm not mistaken that used to be one of the main reasons people applied for a concealed weapon permit and sometimes a thing like that could be a deciding factor on getting a permit. Just to be able to carry a weapon in public because you have a right to do so don't fly with me because theres too many scenarios where the public could get harmed from a carriers negligence. Just because you got a permit to carry a gun does not mean your a responsible person and it does not mean that your a non-responsible one either. Theres too many people in society today and to allow people to wear handguns on their side and I feel it would cause major problems, like I said I got no problem with it in the field. If you need to feel safe in public, just walk softly and carry a big stick. Don't let the NRA stuff go to your head in my opinion they have many good points and just as many bad in certain cases. I support them but then again, what it boils down to is what you believe in....

Sounds like some of you want to shoot first and ask questions later, hmmmmmm maybe thats why they started passing laws to begin with to protect the public from those people. Just because someone looks like a criminal don't mean they are and just because they don't look like one don't mean their not. Remember you heard it here first , there is no way in hell that people will be able to carry side arms in public, society will not allow it. The NRA will never be able to change that, to carry in the field while hunting is one thing and I'm all for it, but the only people who should carry them in public should be law enforcement or a derivitive of law enforcement. I been robbed at gunpoint and believe me if I had been carrying a weapon someone would have died, I'm glad I wasnt because even if I would have been carrying there is no guarantee that it would not have been me.

[george tinkham]

i have a cousin down around athens that lives in a small hamlet,bout 5 families and he always carries a 22 revolver in a holster...every buddy refers to him as the marshall of circleville,its legal

[jeffmo]

hey george,what's wrong with circleville?:D
anyway,i probably wouldn't put in for a permit but there have been times when i wish that i had been carrying a hand gun.
i had a run in up in columbus several years back while my family and i were doing some shopping.we were putting some packages in our vehicle when we got "approached" by 4 or 5 young guys that started to hassle us a bit.but they walked away when i turned around and they saw a tire iron in my hand.i just asked them if they had somewhere else they'd rather be.
really scarey though.if one of them would have had a gun i don't know how things would have turned out.i don't even know if it would have helped if i would have had one.to be honest if someone points a gun at me they have the upper hand.all you can really do then is give them what they want and pray things don't go bad.i think some of them would shoot you just to watch you drop.
it's ashame that the times have changed the way they have.

[bob oh]

Actually Bucktail crime has gone down in almost every state that has passed CC. I probably would never carry a gun, but I would much rather have people carrying guns who have a permit that the criminals who are carrying them illegal now. Just think about it -- do you think that criminals are not carrhing guns right now?? Why would they care about CC -- only law-abiding, honest people are affected by CC.
Acutally that's why I don't understand the Ohio patrol position -- the people who would shoot them already have guns!!!!! Honest people with guns don't shoot cops. Sure there can be accidents, what makes you think the accidents don't happen now??

[Thunderflight]

I just wish they'd let me carry my AK-47 with me. I'd never have any trouble then....:)

TF

[george tinkham]

i would carry my gun rigged in my cowboy hat with a cable rigged to the trigger so all i do is squeeze my hand to fire it

[MadCatter]

I thought they passed laws to protect people from crime, all you have to do is pick up a newspaper and see the laws to protect us don't work ... Like I posted before .. Call your police dept and asked them for what they can do to protect you and your family while you are out fishing at night, or traveling and get lost and end up in a high crime area. I myself had a situation where someone broke in to my home while I was home ... home invasion while I was about 14.... I can tell you one thing, that loaded 12ga pointed at his head took control of a situation, he turned out to be someone that just walked out of a nearby mental institution, came into the house cussing and throwing things around .... I grabbed the shotgun and confronted him, held him for the police ... you know what the police told me. That it was partially my fault because the doors weren't locked:rolleyes: Would this guy have harmed me, I am happy to say that I will never know .... Where were the police when I needed protection. I read your story bucktail, and I am glad that you also came out of it ok .. but where were the police .. they weren't there to protect you either ... jeffmo, you also had to protect your family .. where were the police, I am also grateful that you and your family came out ok... Although for my situation CC doesn't apply in both of your experiences CC does apply... If a law or society forces you to walk around like a sheep, not able to protect yourself when you feel you might be at risk, to me that is a violation of one of your human rights... Lets be honest here, anyone that goes to the trouble to go through the CC classes and get the checks involved is for the most part going to be a responsible person, and a threat to no one that isn't a threat to him/her. In todays world with road rage, people wacked out on drugs, people robbing and killing to get money for drugs if you feel you and your family are safe that is a choice you can make on your own ... Unfortunately for me, people like me that go places at night, sometimes alone .. loading and unloading a boat at night, in not so nice places .. You are deciding for me, if I have the right to protect myself or not. I don't worry about my money, if that was all there was to it, you encounter a criminal, they ask for your money, you give it and they leave .. then I would say that no one needs to carry a firearm, unfortunately that don't seem to be the way things work. I have no desire to carry a firearm shopping, or out in public in broad daylight or in places where I feel I am at low risk, but I don't see how you can justify saying to me that I have no right to carry a firearm when I feel I am high risk. You say that Just to be able to carry a weapon in public because you have a right to do so don't fly with me because theres too many scenarios where the public could get harmed from a carriers negligence. By your own words you are forcing me to be a sheep, forcing my family to be with out protection, when I feel it might be needed, forcing me to comform to your veiws and opinions and disregarding my own, you are taking mylife and my familes lives, putting them in a position where I don't feel comfortable and forcing me to accept it, or become a criminal myself by carrying a firearm ... It is a sad fact but criminals run this society, they don't follow laws, they use our laws against us .. they know we can't stand up for ourselves, they know we don't have the means to legally protect ourselves, they know the jails and courts are jammed, they know the system due to the fact that most have been through it numerous times .. they have every advantage over us, no wonder the crime rate keeps getting higher every year.. we have laws in effect to prevent crime, they don't work .. it is time we put laws into effect so good hard working honest people can stand up and protect themselves

[carpwarrior]

God bless us all, the ones with guns

[carpwarrior]

AMEN

[george tinkham]

no i am not a sheep...

[bucktail]

MadCatter you have brought up some very interesting aspects of reasons to carry, I'm not totally disagreeing with you. Yes like you I believe we should have the right to carry, I just try to look at it with open frame of mind unlike the general public sees gun issues. To have a clear view of something means seeing both sides and understanding both at the same time. In todays society sometimes it's not safe to venture out in remote places or public places regardless if it's night or day, and thats not right we should be able to feel safe anywhere and anytime but unfortunately we can't. I don't want to decide for you (I'd vote with you on the CC issue), but you have to realize that John Q Public is going to decide for you, it's all about the majority and the majority is for more control on weapons and the less people who have them to them means a safer society. I believe in public safety but like you said they are not always there to protect you, I don't want to see anyone and especially their families come in harms way. Crime is rampant and so are criminals, were not going to be able to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals which in turn makes it hard for honest law abiding citizens who feel the need to protect themselves and their families.

I understand how the state patrol is against the CC issue, I mean when they pull you over they have no idea if your a law abiding citizen or not and by allowing more people to carry puts the lives of the troopers in peril in their eyes. Even the most law abiding citizens panic on occasion when put in a situation and will do the unthinkable and put other lifes in peril, it happens in life every day. I'm not saying everyone is like that and certainly not you but this and other scenarios like this has a big determining factor on law enforcements view of their safety. I don't want people to feel as if their a sheep, there are other alternatives like lifestyle adjustments, self defense courses etc. Sometimes the public has to adjust and in this day and age you are either going to have to make those adjustments or suffer the concequences of crime in todays society. Yes you do have a right to protect yourself and your family, but who has the right to put value on a human life or injure a person whether you feel your in the right or not. Nine times out of ten you'll end up being the victim anyway when it comes to the publics eye, some will be for you but most will be against you in saying if there was more gun control a scenario of protecting yourself and family would not have happened. I think that society is acceptable with weapons and hunting but when you want to bring them into the publics domain there will be lots of opposition from those who do not agree with your thinking and mine. Thanks for the civil conversation, it's nice to see that all people don't look at what I say as an attack and are open to other views on topics. ;)

[bob oh]

I would agree with you Bucktail about the patrol except the people who would shoot a patrolman already have guns -- they don't care what the law is. I am really hardpressed to believe that a regular law-abiding person who is allowed to carry a gun would shoot a patrolman because they are allowed to have a gun. But I do believe that a criminal who already has a gun and doesn't care would shoot that patrolman. As far as that goes, I really respect Patrolmen and I would only approach a dark car at night with my GUN ALREADY DRAWN :)

[MadCatter]

I don't understand the OSP's veiw on CC, I will go on record right now as saying, that there will never be a member of the Ohio State Patrol shot by a person legally carrying a firearm with a CC permit.. Futhermore, if the OSP is concerned about their safety, then things are way out of control and we really need to be concerned about ours, anyone who would draw down on an officer of the law has no regard for his life or anyone elses and would shoot an unarmed person for looking at them wrong. I see all your points about the public Bucktail, I think the fear of guns is because people only know what they see on the news, they don't know how to operate a firearm, and think because of this they are unsafe. Go back 100 years into history and most families put food on the table with a firearm, now that same firearm is source of fear for their great great children, a lost heritage is a sad thing. It is also funny to see that the same John Q Public that isn't smart enough to safely carry a firearm, is somehow deemed smart enough to decide who has the right to protect themselves and in what manner. As far as how society would judge someone that had to use lethal force to protect themselves or family ... to me that is not even a consideration, as long as an innocent family is still around and safe that is all the judgement one needs to make on the matter. Take another perspective, what about the Wildlife Officers, they deal with armed people every day of hunting season, not only as an overseeing body, but also arresting armed individuals on a regular basis ... I know that there are some isolated incidents here and there, but it is not the total anarhcy the OSP and other law enforcement agencies would like you to believe .. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't want their job, and I am not saying anything against them except for the fact that, I don't think anyone believes that any law enforcement officer is in danger from an honest citizen, regardless whether he/she is armed or not. With saying all of that, I also believe that the conditions for a CC permit must be both fair, between rich and poor, a rich man has no more rights then someone making 10K a year .. Any past problems with alcohol, drugs, criminal record, mental illness things of that nature, would eliminate one from a permit .. We are talking about Law abiding, honest, respectable people, if they are going to be handed out on the basis of, people carrying large sums of money ..... that to me is totally pointless, and discriminatory... In the United states consitution and bill of rights, money is not an issue I don't believe. If a CC law came up to a vote, and it allowed only people that carried Large sums of money to carry I would vote against it.

One more thing, don't drug dealers, usually carry large sums of money, at night, in somewhat dangerous places.

[george tinkham]

yup and lot of policemans wife pack heat...hmmmmm

[Basementdweller]

Well for those of you who live in a nice area you can say you do not feel a need for legal ccw. I live in Columbus and have found myself wishing I had a little heat in my pocket recently.

FIRST Time.....Kroger parking lot bout 8pm after dark I was approached by a couple teen/twenty something losers looking for some gas money. The one kept trying to get behind me. I reported it to the twp and Store manager. I had my 2 year old son with me. Did I feel threatened.......hell yes. would my Glock make me feel better....hell yes. Would I have dropped them if it would have came to it...hell yes.

Second time.....City Center mall between christmas and new years. A group of urban teens were hanging out at the mall entrance to the mall from the parking garage ramp. I had my wife, son and daughter with me. It was round dark and as we approach on our way to the car they followed us out of the mall and down the ramp. I became concerned and at the bottom of the ramp we turned around and went right back up the other side back into the mall. They stopped and stood at the bottom of the ramp and loitered for a while. We contacted mall security who went and looked for them. Of course they didnt find anything. If I had a sidearm I would have felt better.

Would I get a permit? Yes. Would I carry everytime I left the house? Probably not. My wife would get one too.

Madcatter...arent the drug dealers carrying too.

[MadCatter]

Basementdweller, I think everyone is carrying except the honest hardworking average man, he is afraid he will get in trouble with the law .. criminals don't worry about such things... Anymore my motto is, you are in more trouble if you need a firearm and don't have one, than you are if you have one and don't need it :D :D :D :D

[muskyman]

I thought the CCW law was about the right to carry. I dont see
where "need" has to be addressed.

[MadCatter]

unfortunately do to our liberal society these days, the word rights has been replaced with the word need. Rights only apply to criminals and the honest man needs to justify every move he makes. The words armed forces will soon be replace with social workers. As long as people like that puke Michael Moore (idiot from the oscars) has access to a microphone our rights are going to be under constant attack .. somebody needs to give him a shirt with a bullseye on the back, stamp human sheild on his forehead and send his fat #^$#@ to Iraq

[muskyman]

My opinion of these hollwood imbicles is, let them talk, so the
world can hear how ignorant they really are. The beauty of it
is that there is no doubt it will come back from the boxoffice
and bite them in the rearend.

[george tinkham]

yup many sleezy hollywood dwellers livin in the armpit of the usa think they can say or do whatever they want cause they are the real heros,what a joke...

[BottomBouncer]

I have a question.....probably a dumb question but here it goes:

Are you allowed to carry a weapon if it is NOT concealed and unloaded? I could keep the the gun in plain view and a clip in my pocket?

I carry my mini-14 on my shoulder when I'm out hiking the river bank at night....alone or not. It also rests in the corner next to my bed, mag under the matress:cool:

I for one have never and will never vote for taft. I still have not received a responce regarding my email I sent weeks ago!!!!!

[george tinkham]

you can legally carry a weapon loaded in plain site but you will probably be stopped and questioned about it...i really don't umderstand this law because its illegal to transport a loaded weapon in a vehicle or have ammo where you can get to it if its unloaded in a vehicle...taft looks like something out of the funny paper too...sorta like howdy doody...bet he had a rough time in school

[Dragonslayer_13]

I can agree with both sides, but, as a law abiding citizen I believe as both our National Bill of Rights and our very own Ohio Constitution states: I should have the right to carry concealed for personal protection. It states in and on my person, last I knew I took my person with me when I left the house. Would I : YES, every time I left my home, Yes, I voted for the LIAR in Columbus, because he said he'd pass it.. Gun Control = using 2 hands, knowing your target! Ohio is one of 6 states left that doesn't have some sort of concealed carry provision. Makes you feel like a 2nd rated citizen. That crap about OSP being scared of motorist with guns is bullpucky, when pulled over you'd be asked if you have a permit and are you carrying. A law abiding citizen would say yes, he has nothing to hide. I'd never shoot any Peace Officer for any reason, let alone a stupid traffic ticket. Quity or not. Just think of all the times you didn't get caught speeding,etc.

[george tinkham]

butt ...butt what do we tell our children when we try to keep em for wantin to pack a pistol to school for protection...thats one problem i see..."butt dad you carry one"

[Neapolis]

Talk about a timely topic, I just returned from a 3 month trip to Florida, and was wondering what the status of this was. I think the Gov is in for a rough ride if he refuses to sign the bill if it gets to him. I think giving the law abiding citizen the capability to carry will give those idiots that now think they are the only ones armed reason to rethink their actions.

They probably won't, :rolleyes: for a while. :)

[george tinkham]

most states have it...right???

[Dragonslayer_13]

GT Butt dad you drive the car, butt dad you stay up late, butt dad- Butt Dad had to Mature and Earn those priveledges. I think your taking the CCW concept out of context. Hilliary would probably agree with you though. She'd teach your children in her UN Village, butt dad wouldn't be needed anymore. Just because you drink, smoke ,chew,etc. are you going to automatically allow your children to. I think not. Just because somebody does something in particular, doesn't make it the Gospel truth. I agree children learn more from watching us parents than us telling them to just do something. SO, be careful what you do and say in front of the wee ones. They are watching your every move. My children are learning gun safety, and they know not to touch what's not their's or without permission.

[BottomBouncer]

When is the next election? We have another year don't we? If I were governor.......or in some sort of position of power.........look out!!!!!!!!!! I would worry more about keeping the hard working public happy rather than the leeches of our society. If I knew the ecomony was tough........I wouldn't be planing big parties to celebrate the state's b-day. I would make it TOUGH to get a concealed permit, BUT once you have one then you don't have to go through all the BS paper work at the gun store. "I'll take the .45" "That'll be $425.99" and that's all there is to it.

Criminals........HAH......I'd come down harder on their assses than boy george in a prison.


:o okay, I feel better now;)

Does anyone know where all these laws are kept? Anywhere online that you can look them up? I'm sure there is SOMETHING in there that would hold up in court if a situation came to that....

[george tinkham]

talkin bout kids takin guns to school for protection meaning to shoot another kid...now what if its your kid thats shot,intentionally or in a crossfire...this is the main problem i have with it cause i think most here will agree they shouldn't be packin heat to school under the reasoning its needed for protection