11 extra days thanks to the OBA!!!!!!

[Arrow 1]

http://www.bowsite.com/bowsite/tf/regional/thread.cfm?threadid=125158&MESSAGES=42&state=OH

Check out this link above. It seems that the Ohio Bowhunters Association, has worked with the ODNR to get the Ohio, bow season extended 11 days. The season will start September 30th this year.

And, some of you ask, what does the OBA do!!!!!!!!

[Arrow 1]

http://www.ohiodnr.com/news/apr06/0406huntingregs.htm

Here is the news release from ODNR, dated April 6, 2006.

[coonskinner]

i agree this is great,i too have advocated starting the season early instead of giving us xtra days in feb...who really wants to hunt then...start the season 7 days earlier in sept...thats great...in my cases it amounts to 2 days...sat. and sun.but in those 2 days i may see a big boy...you never know...great news...:mischeif:

[Q2XL]

dont matter too me i wont need the extra days anyways.:D :D :biggrin: :whistle:i dont see the OBA mentioned anywhere in the article. so why ya think they had anything too do with it.

[coonskinner]

i read arrowladys 1st post and it sez archery season starts oct. 7...is this correct,i thought it was the 1st...maybe thats last yrs. dates on their(odnr) web site...:mischeif:

[Arrow 1]

dont matter too me i wont need the extra days anyways.:D :D :biggrin: :whistle:i dont see the OBA mentioned anywhere in the article. so why ya think they had anything too do with it.

Q2Xl, ODNR does not typically mention specific sporsman's clubs in thier news releases. If you go to the first link I provided and read all of the posts from Arrowlady, and Alex, It will varify the OBA's involvment in this remarkable bit of news.

I find it hard to believe that a person that really loved to bowhunt would say that 11 more days added to the season does not matter.:irked:. To me, that is almost as good as a winning lottery ticket!:biggrin: It will mean an extra deer harvested to some folks I am sure.


Cooner, Arrowlady said the season WOULD have started Oct.7

[OhioHunter88]

coon-archery season starts September 30th;)





Kaleb

[coonskinner]

yup thats great,i'm sure theres a lot of credit to other org. and a lot of individuals...i sent a letter long time ago wondering why the days or a week was not added to the front of archery season instead of worthless days taked on in feb...i also posted that,hopefully some others emailed em too...hopefully the oba gets after the odnr and the wayne nat. about public land aquisition...as well as every hunter on here...to me this is much more important then the xtra days hunting...even though this is a great thing...the odnr does listen...we need to let them know we need more public land in ohio...and are willing to back them with our dollars...:rant:









:mischeif:

[Q2XL]

i see that the first link came form the BOWSITE.:coco: i never said i did not love too bowhunt. i do notin but bow hunt.i just said i dont need the extra days too get me 2 deers.geez arrow 1 take it easy.

[Arrow 1]

[QUOTE=coonskinner]yup thats great,i'm sure theres a lot of credit to other org.



Cooner, What other organizations were involved that you are sure of? From the info I got, the OBA, was the only one pushing for it! Enlighten us!!

[Arrow 1]

i see that the first link came form the BOWSITE.:coco: i never said i did not love too bowhunt. i do notin but bow hunt.i just said i dont need the extra days too get me 2 deers.geez arrow 1 take it easy.

The info was posted on Bowsite, but it actually came from Arrowlady. Arrowlady has been an officer of the OBA, for several years and I have known her and her husband for 30 years. These are two of the most reliable and reputable people you could ever know. I do not doubt the info!

Yes, Bowsite, tends to get a little rough sometimes but, if you want real info about bowhunting, that is the place to go. It seems that nobody here on OS.com had even picked up the story yet. This could be the biggest thing to happen to Ohio, bowhunting in years!

[deerhunt45]

thanks for the info and thanks for the efforts of the OBA. sounds like a good move to me, we never know what the weather but thats the way it is. the ODNR needs archery hunters to help control the population, all archery hunters.

from the threads on this topic in both forums, it is clear you will never please everyone...:whistle: but i'm sure the majority is for this good decision by the state. others will follow with our support of the real issues and yes, our $$$ speak loudly too. we all have our wants and needs and will different opinions on the issues, but if we discuss them intelligently and don't automatically slam someone for a post that didn't come across right, the path to uniting is that much easier to negotiate. my dad always told me the squeekiest :mischeif: wheel always gets the most grease:)

i also think we will see a few extra days of muzzy season real soon. if so, i'm in the market for a muzzleloader.:yikes:

[CStan]

Well I sure appreciate the work the OBA does for bowhunters. Love those early season hunting opportunities, especially for getting the youngsters out.

[CritterGitter]

This is good news. Arrow1, I thank you for sharing this information with all of us. I have been one to complain in the past that I do not see any of the good things that the OBA or other organizations do( I never said they don't do good things, I just said that I don't see it). This is a good example of the OBA sharing some of the good that they do for all bowhunting in Ohio.

Kyle

[hoot gibson]

This is good news. Arrow1, I thank you for sharing this information with all of us. I have been one to complain in the past that I do not see any of the good things that the OBA or other organizations do( I never said they don't do good things, I just said that I don't see it). This is a good example of the OBA sharing some of the good that they do for all bowhunting in Ohio.

Kyle

kyle , the oba tries , but when you only have about 700 members out of all the bowhunters in the state of ohio. its kinda hard to demand , or sternly ask for anything , all they can do is try , just think if they could go to the odnr with 15000 members and say ,, we want this . or that , then things would be diferent . archers are not the controling force in the deer herd , the gun hunters are , if the odnr wants to kill more deer . then they will go to the ones that will get it done. sure would be nice if every bow hunter in the state of ohio , would just skip one lunch and a couple snack cakes , and join the oba , you dont have to attend meetings or go to the shoots , or even read the magazine , but it would be nice if alot more hunters helped by being a member , there for they might have a voice with the odnr.. hoot

[coonskinner]

my point is arrow one i have seen oba take credit for some past things that other org. were involved in too...many times the odnr has brought these things to the forefront...and other org. imcluding oba has helped push it thru...this time i dont know the circumstances but no matter its good the org. work together for one common goal...our odnr deserves a lot of credit too for what we have today...:mischeif:

[Milo]

Was the ubho there?

[COB]

my point is arrow one i have seen oba take credit for some past things that other org. were involved in too...many times the odnr has brought these things to the forefront...and other org. imcluding oba has helped push it thru...this time i dont know the circumstances but no matter its good the org. work together for one common goal...our odnr deserves a lot of credit too for what we have today...:mischeif:

geroge there was a saying during WWII, lose lips snik ships. From your "statements above" I'd like you to provide me and all the OS folks some specifics! Tell us where the OBA has taken "credit" for some thing some one else has fosterd and secured! Talk is cheap! Specifices george, specifices please.

One of the OBA's problems has been they don't toot their own horn enough. Much goes un-noticed. Some may have said this or that about opening day but it was the OBA President who went to the Wildlide Council and got the ball rolling! Thanks to John and the rest of the OBA officers!

[coonskinner]

i see there is some over reaction here...i am not saying anything bad ...i am falling back on some things listed on the other site...many of those cwere championed by the sportsman alliance who seemed to weekly send me info on what state official to right or where i could send money,etc.,etc...i am not downplaying the oba...i am just saying many or most of the gains we have got have been a joint effort by many org...theres nothing wrong with that,actually its great...i believe in strong state org. but i also believe in belonging to one that fits your needs too...everyone should belong to a a state org.:mischeif: or belong to more than one...

[coonskinner]

i see there is some over reaction here...i am not saying anything bad ...i am falling back on some things listed on the other site...many of those cwere championed by the sportsman alliance who seemed to weekly send me info on what state official to write or where i could send money,etc.,etc...i am not downplaying the oba...i am just saying many or most of the gains we have got have been a joint effort by many org...theres nothing wrong with that,actually its great...i believe in strong state org. but i also believe in belonging to one that fits your needs too...everyone should belong to a state org.:mischeif: or belong to more than one...the more members the more power...

[CritterGitter]

Was the ubho there?


Yes, this is a great question. You must be a really smart guy to ask such an informed and insightful question. You are really up to date on your hunting organizations. Yes sir by golly!

:cheeky-smiley-022:

Kyle

[Milo]

Yes, this is a great question. You must be a really smart guy to ask such an informed and insightful question. You are really up to date on your hunting organizations. Yes sir by golly!

:cheeky-smiley-022:

Kyle
They were not there then? What is the ubho doing for me then?:coco: :irked:

[coonskinner]

:whistle: ...:mischeif:

[Revival]

They were not there then? What is the ubho doing for me then?:coco: :irked:

The UBHO does not yet exist. The only thing that the idea of the "UBO" (my term) currently does is; provide hope to the majority of bowhunters in Ohio that want representation at the state level.

The OBA has representation at most division meetings. The days on the front of the season were from my understanding their request. The days on the end were already presented to add a weekend.

I am glad for their efforts, always have been. It also shows once again that having crossbows fully allowed throughout all of archery does not reduce season duration.

There will be another, more inclusive, bowhunting organization in Ohio. But it isn't there yet. Attempting to discredit something that isn't there, seems a bit foolish doesn't it?

[Milo]

The UBHO does not yet exist. The only thing that the idea of the "UBO" (my term) currently does is; provide hope to the majority of bowhunters in Ohio that want representation at the state level.

The OBA has representation at most division meetings. The days on the front of the season were from my understanding their request. The days on the end were already presented to add a weekend.

I am glad for their efforts, always have been. It also shows once again that having crossbows fully allowed throughout all of archery does not reduce season duration.

There will be another, more inclusive, bowhunting organization in Ohio. But it isn't there yet. Attempting to discredit something that isn't there, seems a bit foolish doesn't it?


Discrediting something would be statements like "I can't wait to outclass them." Made by yourself --and then you praise them?. :16suspect1: :rant: You appear to be a little self serving.:gaga:

[Revival]

Discrediting something would be statements like "I can't wait to outclass them." Made by yourself --and then you praise them?. :16suspect1: :rant: You appear to be a little self serving.:gaga:

I believe I said "It sure would be nice to outclass them". Since you are my comment archival librarian though maybe you can point us all to the actual post. Your quote may be right, but you just don't get it.

"Outclass" has nothing to do with the class of the individuals which I have continually complemented. Read the definition. Outclass is "to surpass decisively". I stand by that statement and it is not discrediting them. I desire a bowhunting organization in Ohio that would represent all legal forms of archery hunting. I would like nothing more than to have it decisively surpass the current org in membership, in influence and in member benefits.

As far as being self serving... you are right on. I want an organization that represents me. The OBA clearly doesn't. I am not discrediting them by that comment. I am simply stating that they admittedly don't.

[hunTer06]

well back to the topic....11 extra days is great news to my ears. Im all for it.

[Revival]

well back to the topic....11 extra days is great news to my ears. Im all for it.

Amen to that!

[Milo]

I believe I said "It sure would be nice to outclass them". Since you are my comment archival librarian though maybe you can point us all to the actual post. Your quote may be right, but you just don't get it.

"Outclass" has nothing to do with the class of the individuals which I have continually complemented. Read the definition. Outclass is "to surpass decisively". I stand by that statement and it is not discrediting them. I desire a bowhunting organization in Ohio that would represent all legal forms of archery hunting. I would like nothing more than to have it decisively surpass the current org in membership, in influence and in member benefits.

As far as being self serving... you are right on. I want an organization that represents me. The OBA clearly doesn't. I am not discrediting them by that comment. I am simply stating that they admittedly don't.

There was no - i sure would part - It would give you more statisfaction to see them go away forever. Self serving coat tail riders are like that. By saying you want to outclass them is degrading. That you cannot deny.

Here is your link

http://www.ohiosportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9688

[tuffshot]

Just curious Milo,

After reading some of your comments on another site and now this one, just what is your agenda?:confused:

[Milo]

Just curious Milo,

After reading some of your comments on another site and now this one, just what is your agenda?:confused:
What other sites?:confused:

[CritterGitter]

Milo, if I recall you were the one that brought up the subject of the UBO or UBHO when it is isn't even formed yet. That is why I pointed out how brilliant you are! If you have no vested interest, then why are attacking it and anyone associated it. Then, you want to talk about class? Come on man!

Kyle

[OhioHunter88]

Boy,looks like MILO has got him self a sevre case of cabin fever:whistle:









Kaleb

[coonskinner]

this should not be an oba vs...ubho thing...ubho does not xist yet...ubho will stand for everything the oba does and work toward the same goals...the only difference will be the ubho will xcept those that use xbows...the oba does wonderful things and have hard working officers,personally i would be a member of either org. or both...whether they(oba) did this individually or with other org. shouldnt really matter...the fact is they were there working to pass this...as they have done on other issues in the past...and yes they deserve more members ...but the ubho will be an org. that will fill others needs and beliefs about hunting equip. that prevents them from joining the oba...hopefully they will join an org. that aligns with what they use to hunt with that will give us more members that will battle for hunters alongside the oba and other hunting org...there is no reason both org. cant co xist...let the hunters pick the one that best suits them...hopefully both will have 1000s of members working for the same thing...:mischeif:

[Milo]

[QUOTE=CritterGitter]Milo, if I recall you were the one that brought up the subject of the UBO or UBHO when it is isn't even formed yet. That is why I pointed out how brilliant you are! /QUOTE]

I was ignoring you sorry. :whistle:

[Revival]

There was no - i sure would part - It would give you more statisfaction to see them go away forever. Self serving coat tail riders are like that. By saying you want to outclass them is degrading. That you cannot deny.


Outclass was a bad word choice. Tuffshot straightened me out in the following post. I certainly never said it would give me more satisfaction (or any satisfaction) to see the OBA go away.

11 more days is great news. Thanks to all that had something to do with it. It was your mention of the UBHO that brought me into this. I'm willing to stick it out because I believe you are making excellent arguments to polarize the folks looking to create a new organization.

Why don't you simply tell us why the crossbow hunters in Ohio don't need representation?

I would also like you to explain the "self serving coat tail riders" comment... care to tell us who you are or compare resumes? I don't normally get drawn into these mud slinging battles, but don't feel it is proper to concede to your rude behavior.

[OHBOW76]

My wife is going to be estatic when she heres that she gets to hear my alarm clock go off 11 extra times this bow season....:bouncy:

[Arrow 1]

I want an organization that represents me. The OBA clearly doesn't.

Brad, the OBA, may not represent your weapon, the crossbow. But, what they do benefit you as a crossbow hunter, as well as any bowhunter!

As for all of you bowhunters out there. The Ohio Bowhunters association has been representing bowhunters of this state since 1968 and I am sure they will be there in the future representing you. The OBA, is the ONLY organization in the state fighting for your rights as a bowhunter. We don't always get what we want but, like Hoot, said. The OBA, is always there trying. Who else can say that?

Now, would be a great time to join the OBA, if you are not a member. We all need to support our sport. Even if it is just forking out $15.00 or $20.00 bucks for a yearly membership. Check out the OBA link, below my post!

[deerhunt45]

all Ohio archery hunters should be patting each other on the backs. a personal thank you to all that made it happen.:bouncy: :bouncy:

thanks for the info and thanks for the efforts of the OBA. sounds like a good move to me, we never know what the weather but thats the way it is. the ODNR needs archery hunters to help control the population, all archery hunters.

above, i "self quoted" from an earlier post to lead up to an honest question, why won't the OBA, which is a good organization, doing some good things in a good way, allow x-bow archery hunters to join their ranks and make them that much stronger/powerful/greater. what is really at the root of that stance. someone enlighten me. i'm not totally ignorant on the subject, naive maybe, but frankly, i just don't get it. let's put our support and money into one organization and make it strong. two organizations running almost parallel and with (seems like) some competitive, some negative sentiments to each other, just doesn't make sense to me. things need to get organized quickly in order to preserve archery and all hunting lands, rights, privileges we now enjoy, in Ohio or wherever. sorry, again i just don't quite understand OHIO Bowhunters Association excluding x-bow hunters when they are recognized as archery equipment in the state.

with that, i will close with this. i understand the reason, the hard work and planning that has thus far been exerted toward the founding of UBHO and i applaud. ideally, we could all unite under one banner and a common mission:idea:. guess that pretty well tells ya which side of the fence i'm on.
i would appreciate more discussion on this before i would decide to join/serve and become a dues paying member of any organization. call me naive or call me a procrastinator, call me financially handicapped or whatever, but i do want to get involved and support the archery hunting cause somehow. now my feelings, my attitude is (and my attitude is now), it's time for older guys like me to step up and put the kind of effort (money or time or both) to preserve some of our outdoors for the younguns. i might add that when i do decide to do something, i usually become very involved. i am an environmental specialist, i am a hunter and fisherman, i believe in conservation and preservation. my kids are grown and have given me grandkids and given me pause to think and matured me, if you will, to want to make sure i give back double some of the things i sometimes/may (and have) taken for granted;to help preserve our rights as sportsmen and women; it is that time in my life. and to do this, i also have the wisdom to see it is gonna be one hell of a battle.

decisions:whistle: decisions:whistle:

[Revival]

There is only one choice today... another is coming though. On a limb I'm saying it will be established by September.

I am glad the OBA is there, and do see their benefit to our state. The general efforts they make are in the Ohio bowhunters interests, clearly represented by lobbying for an extended season.

Their efforts to bastardize the crossbow is the only qualm I have with them. By signing at the summit, they alienated the majority of bowhunters in Ohio.

They have always been a more traditionally minded organization. For that and their convictions I have no issues. I simply reiterate, that if they don't believe we belong (in writing) how could I possibly feel they represent me?

I truly hope to partner with them in the fight. Like in war, I don't have to agree with the religious beliefs of the guy I'm shoulder-to-shoulder with, I just have to join with him to the betterment of the greater cause. In this case; Archery Hunting!

[Arrow 1]

Their efforts to bastardize the crossbow is the only qualm I have with them. By signing at the summit, they alienated the majority of bowhunters in Ohio.

They have always been a more traditionally minded organization. For that and their convictions I have no issues. I simply reiterate, that if they don't believe we belong (in writing) how could I possibly feel they represent me?



Revival, I figured someone like you, and a couple others would come in and turn the post to a " Let's bash the OBA," thread:irked: . I started this thread to tell people about the extra days the OBA, fought for and won. You compliment us with one hand and punch us in the gut with left handed compliments with the other hand. What does the summit or representing Brad Jerman the crossbow hunter have to do with the OBA gaining extra days for bowhunters? I said the OBA, benefits you as a crossbow hunter. I never said they represented you.

I would be willing to wager that the majority of the bowhunters in Ohio, have never heard about the summit, let alone the majority of the crossbow hunters in the state! I think you threw that out there just to stir the pot! It has nothing[B] to do with this thread!:tsk:

You said the OBA, was a traditionally minded organization. If you are talking about traditional equipment, there is [B]no truth to that statement. The OBA welcomes anyone who shoots a vertical bow. We have members that shoot home made self bows , high tech compounds and anything in between. . There are even guys in the club that hunt with both vertical bow and crossbow! They support the OBA, because they see what the organization has done.

Now to answer the question about the OBA, and crossbows.First, let me post this disclaimer.

I am not an officer of the OBA, nor have I ever been one. I have been a member since the late 70's and I feel I can state the OBA's position about crossbows fairly accuratly.The remainder of this post is not intended to insult or disrespect any hunter or thier equipment I am just going to explain the views of many bowhunters in this state and the differences in equipment that separates bows from crossbows.So, please don't turn this into a flamming post.End of disclaimer.

The OBA, was founded in 1967 before anyone ever thought of legalizing the crossbow as a hunting weapon in Ohio.Even though the vertical bow has changed over the years, the OBA, has still represented all of us. Archery skills are still involved no matter what kind of vertical bow you shoot.

When the ODNR introduced the crossbow to the archery season ,the OBA, decided it would not accept it as archery equipment. This weapon required nobow shooting or archery skills and was rejected by the club as being defined as archery equipment! Ohio, today is still one of the few states that allows non- handicaped people to hunt with crossbows.

It's kind of like, if there is a tennis club, they are really not looking for ping pong players to join up. Yeah, the goal of your games are the same. Whacking a little round ball accross a net and trying to score points. But, in all reallity, you are talking apples and oranges in comparing the skills needed between the two games. One does not fit with the other.

The OBA has no desire to be a general "sportsman's club". and allow other weapons. It is a weapon specific club and thats what the majority of the members want.

At one time the OBA tried to help the crossbow hunters set up thier own club. But, there was no intrest from the crossbow hunters. Why? You tell me!
I could offer opinions, but I won't.

Personally, I have no problem with a statewide "crossbow only" club. Like the OBA, is a bow only club. I can see the OBA, working with that club on some issues. But I cannot see putting the two together because they are too different. I don't think it would be best for either. I cannot see creating a new club for both either. The OBA is already a well established club for the bowhunters of Ohio. If an effort is to be made to help the crossbow hunters. I think they should stand on thier own and possibly team up with the OBA os some issues. Like two political parties.

Let's get back to the issue. The OBA, and the extra days.

[CritterGitter]

This thread is about the OBA doing something good for Ohio's archery season. Can we leave it at that? The OBA does some good things. Again, thanks for sharing that information.

Though, I think it is classless and immature to attack others for their beliefs. If you think the OBA is great then that is wonderful, but don't bad mouth someone else's efforts for a good cause(finding representation for crossbow hunters). Also, members of this site should not bad mouth each other. I thought we were past that. Maybe the site needs a good tussle to liven things up again! How thick is your skin???? :whistle:

:irked:

Kyle

[Milo]

Outclass was a bad word choice. Tuffshot straightened me out in the following post. I certainly never said it would give me more satisfaction (or any satisfaction) to see the OBA go away.

11 more days is great news. Thanks to all that had something to do with it. It was your mention of the UBHO that brought me into this. I'm willing to stick it out because I believe you are making excellent arguments to polarize the folks looking to create a new organization.

Why don't you simply tell us why the crossbow hunters in Ohio don't need representation?

I would also like you to explain the "self serving coat tail riders" comment... care to tell us who you are or compare resumes? I don't normally get drawn into these mud slinging battles, but don't feel it is proper to concede to your rude behavior.

Crossbows have representation in ohio. Why you think they don't? They just got 11 more days to hunt. :16suspect1:

The OBA does whats good for ARCHERY and bowhunters. Your comments only show your true colors that you want to ubho to be about the crossbow for grandstanding. The oba does work for you, your an ohio archer, and then you bad mouth them and say they don't do enough for you. This isn't about YOU! :irked: Its about our sport. You feel its personal ( insert "self serving coat tail riders"). They are not there to pacify individual interests. They represent much more than that. If they are such a fine organization why don't you sign up? Would you not want to associate with such fine people that you appear to have a lot of appreciation for?

On another I just checked the OBA website. It does not exclude crossbow users form being memebers. :yikes:

[tuffshot]

Crossbows have representation in ohio. Why you think they don't? They just got 11 more days to hunt. :16suspect1:


Kinda gives collateral damage a whole new meaning..:whistle:

[Milo]

Kinda gives collateral damage a whole new meaning..:whistle:
OR they see the big picture and fight for that cause even if the crossbow user benefits. It seems like an awefully nice jesture for a bunch of evil people.:biggrin: Could it be that the OBA is not hung up on personal self gratifying agendas?:yikes:

[Thunderflight]

I've been meaning to join OSTA.

[CStan]

I agree, that this topic should be kept positive :)

[tuffshot]

OR they see the big picture and fight for that cause even if the crossbow user benefits. It seems like an awefully nice jesture for a bunch of evil people.:biggrin: Could it be that the OBA is not hung up on personal self gratifying agendas?:yikes:


Yes Milo,

The OBA has been at the forefront of archery hunting since its conception. And has many a member who is dedicated to the sport and not for self gradification. And if their stand is to stay the way they are it is entirely within their right and I applaud the effort. Every bowhunter has benifited from the OBA's involvement. Times change, people change and so do some of the ideals needed to help represent everyone involved. And change is inevitable..;) And maybe some are wanting more than is currently offered.

[coonskinner]

I agree, that this topic should be kept positive :)



i agree cstan...cutting down any org. is not good for hunting...i have been a member of the oba for a lot of years...i am not now...that was not my choice though...i would still be a member because i do believe in supporting my state org...i am a member of other org. too...i was in 3...now 2...and i could see belonging to 4 if the ubho gets rolling...i would support their efforts too by being a member and monetarily and as a letter writer...

[deerhunt45]

I agree, that this topic should be kept positive :)

PMA fellas...Positive Mental Attitude...couldn't agree more.

discussion is good and so is airing your beefs from time to time. agreed... let's keep the discussion positive and an information exchange, as i have tried to do. only good things could happen:idea:

11 extra days!!! i am ecstatic:bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

[coonskinner]

i second that...:mischeif: