Wood Arrows,why???

[coonskinner]

HMMMMM,ALL I can think of is this,they look good and cedar smells good...oh and they are fun to make from raw shafting...you cut them to length and straighten them,you cut your tapers on each end,then you stain them ...and seal them,then put on a nock...and then you fletch them then put on a point,you can crest them if you prefer,i like wood,not paint so i dont crest,,not only fun but custom made...and theyre fun to show off...now for me everything else is in favor of aluminum...which i use for hunting...:mischeif:

[mullskinner]

building wood arrows :bouncy: :bouncy:

[hoot gibson]

i realise its hard to build a dozen woodies that will shoot as constant as aluminium. but lets face it , if you want the easy way , then gun hunt , i shoot trad. because i enjoy doing the best i can with the least of material , for my i dont think carbon limbs and metal and carbon arrows , metal risers , and all the fancy gadgets they make , are any exception for good old practice , it seems everyone wants that lil edge. with out alot of work , hoot:yikes: now im in trouble..

[Jayme]

And I just love the way Hoot's arrows smell when I find them laying on the ground, splintered, throughout the course.:shhh:

I enjoy making arrows, even though I have recently bought a set of Super Slams. It cost me about as much to build a set of wood arrows as it would to buy a set of aluminums, if'n you dont buy in bulk :yikes:

[bowmiller]

holy moley:yikes: what kind of wood shafts are you buying? I can make a dozen quality cedars or laminated birch for around $35/dozen. shafts, feathers, nocks, points.

[Thunderflight]

I made two dozen wooden arrows once. What I ended up with were four or five that shot high the the right, four or five that shot low to the left, four or five that were dead on, and so on.:yikes: :)

I shoot carbon mainly because of the durablity. Out of that two dozen arrows I've got mabye a dozen left. The rest were broken or MIA.

[Thunderflight]

holy moley:yikes: what kind of wood shafts are you buying? I can make a dozen quality cedars or laminated birch for around $35/dozen. shafts, feathers, nocks, points.

Where are you getting your shafts?

[bowmiller]

bow shoots, mostly. can't remember the guys name that makes lambirch. usually getting good shafts will cost $20-$25 a dozen or thereabouts. I'm not an arrow guy. make them out of necessity. can't afford to buy matched dozens. you wanna talk arrows, get in touch with Brian Patterson. he can tell you where to get shafts.

[hunTer06]

Wood arrows, why?:mischeif:

Feeling of accomplishment and satisfaction that you can make an arrow and kill something with it.

[CStan]

If I'm shootin a stick bow I may as well shoot sticks!! :bouncy:

[Thunderflight]

bow shoots, mostly. can't remember the guys name that makes lambirch. usually getting good shafts will cost $20-$25 a dozen or thereabouts. I'm not an arrow guy. make them out of necessity. can't afford to buy matched dozens. you wanna talk arrows, get in touch with Brian Patterson. he can tell you where to get shafts.

Do you know where to get footed shafts?

[Thunderflight]

OUCH!!!!

I found two arrow builders that had them. Holy cow those suckers are expensive.

[bowmiller]

TF, Bob Burton of Whispering Wind makes and sells footed shafts. Rusty's Feets does, too. surely there are others, but they will all be expensive. is pretty labor intensive to make 4 splice foots. Patterson has a jig he bought to make 4 splice feet that employs a router, I think, to cut the shaft. I think you cut the foot with a bandsaw. two splice footed shafts can be made pretty easily with a bandsaw and a thumb plane. too much trouble, if you ask me. I'd rather be making a bow. :D

"my personal fletcher":bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: Brian Patterson, made a dozen footed shafts for me last summer to take bear hunting. he, by some sort or clever manuevering, coerced Bob Burton into footing some rather rare, heavy 11/32 cedar shafts for him, for me. one of the finest dozen arrows I've seen. special arrows for a special hunt made by my friend for no good reason besides he's just that generous of a person. hard to put a price tag on stuff like these arrows.

[Thunderflight]

What do you think about laminated birch shafts?

[coonskinner]

OUCH!!!!

I found two arrow builders that had them. Holy cow those suckers are expensive.
i have seen them for 175$ a doz. and more...unless they are gold inlaid i'd like the justification in wood arrows costing that much...you can make them easily yourself for lots lots cheaper than that...:mischeif:

[bowmiller]

I really like the lambirch for several reasons, and hunted with them for the last three or four years except this year, but I still have a dozen or so with broadheads on them. they are heavy. easy to get 10-11 grains/lb in any spine class, and thats after I taper them. they are much more stable than other hardwoods because they are laminated. they are much straighter than other hardwoods, and stay that way under good finish. they don't recover as well as cedar, imo, and they aren't much more durable than cedar even though you'd think they would be. as long as I can make 600-700 grain cedar arrows, I'm shooting cedar.

[mullskinner]

I really like the lambirch for several reasons, and hunted with them for the last three or four years except this year, but I still have a dozen or so with broadheads on them. they are heavy. easy to get 10-11 grains/lb in any spine class, and thats after I taper them. they are much more stable than other hardwoods because they are laminated. they are much straighter than other hardwoods, and stay that way under good finish. they don't recover as well as cedar, imo, and they aren't much more durable than cedar even though you'd think they would be. as long as I can make 600-700 grain cedar arrows, I'm shooting cedar.

BOWMILLER,
if don't mind me asking what kind of spine tester do you have :confused:
and grain scale :confused:

[hoot gibson]

thunderflux , the spline testing may have been your problem . you can buy a dozen shafts off somebody and they may very quite a bit , if you make wood arrows you need a spline tester . mine was made by sonny iman . but i do have one of the first lee free testers that were made . still use it when im feeling old .. hoot

[mullskinner]

are these ok to use :confused:

http://ns1.bowsite.org/acb/showdetl.cfm?&DID=6&Product_ID=594&CATID=8

[bowmiller]

I have Don Adams spinemeter and Lyman grain scale.

[mullskinner]

thanks............

[bowmiller]

I don't recall where I got my spinemeter, but I bought the grain scale from Three Rivers Archer. its a balance beam scale made for weighing arrows and points. been using it for years. use it for weighing glue components more than anything.

[mullskinner]

BOWMILLER,
is this the spine tester you have ?

http://www.3riversarchery.com/Product.asp?c=2&s=8&p=96&i=4136

and i,m thinking about this grain scale ....

http://www.3riversarchery.com/Product.asp?c=2&s=8&p=50&i=5962

[bowmiller]

yep,thats da one. maybe I got if from TRA, too. they still sell the same

grain scale, but its gone up $20 in price in 10 years. aye carumba!:dizzy:

[mullskinner]

BOWMILLER,
you ever try ramin shaft's :confused:

[bowmiller]

yep. pretty nice arrow for the price. Ramin doesn't have growth rings so you gotta roll the shafte around on the spinemeter to find the stiffest orientation so you know where to place the knock.

Dave out at Twig Archery used to sell some shafts that he called Melas(pronounced Mel-loss) probly mis-spelled it.:confused: I could never tell the difference between them and good quality Ramin. looked exactly the same, both pretty heavy in 11/32". I've been through them all, pretty much. ash, birch, maple, hickory, pine, fir. the toughest arrow I ever saw was made of shagbark hickory. fooled with them for a couple years, had some hickory dowels run specifically for arrow shafts. hickory don't dowel so well.:( it's hard to dry, you have to heat them to straighten them, and overall, they are just TOO heavy, even for me, and I'm a firm believer in heavier is better for penetration. I still have a couple dozen 11/32" 65# spine hickories that I barrel tapered to 5/16", cut to length, with point and nock tapers ground that weigh in at 680-700 grains as sealed shaft with no point, nock, feathers. thats an 850+ grain finished arrow. still got a bunch of hickory dowels that I'd be happy to sell, cheap

[Jayme]

thunderflux , the spline testing may have been your problem . you can buy a dozen shafts off somebody and they may very quite a bit , if you make wood arrows you need a spline tester . mine was made by sonny iman . but i do have one of the first lee free testers that were made . still use it when im feeling old .. hoot

How's Sonny been doing, Hoot?

The Super Slam's I bought were only $43, Ebay certainly IS the way :D

The last dozen that I made cost around $35, I bought all my stuff at the shoot in Cloverdale.

[coonskinner]

i like wood cause i can make em cheap,nothing fancy,who needs crest,i dont like paint anyway,i like a lot of wood grain...less time to make them too...even if i put on all barred feathers i can make a doz. super cheap and use them at osta shoots...ans if i lose them its really not that much...i have lost one alum. arrow in years of osta shoots and i still havent gotten over it...its somewhere in xenia...:(

[mullskinner]

i have never owned a spine tester or a grain scale and i have been at the mercy of whom i bought from ... there are some good guys to buy from that you can trust ..but i know it's time to break the piggy bank and buy a spine tester and grain scale ..i like my arrer's dipped and crested ..i love to feather splice also .....:rolleyes: :bouncy:

[coonskinner]

l need to make some cheapies for 3d...:mischeif:

[hoot gibson]

jayme , sonnys not doing so good , h