Ross County Buck?

[specwar]

Does anyone have any information about the huge buck that was posted here a couple of weeks ago? I do know that it was harvested by Nicole Wolf, I was just wandering what area of Ross County it came from. Anyone's help is greatly appreciated.

[struttin]

specwar,

This might help ya' .....


http://ohiosportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9611&highlight=ROSS+COUNTY+MONSTER

[lung buster]

I heard somebody say that she had it took away from her? I dont know if that is true or not? They said that she killed it on public ground and she used a landowners permit? I did notice that in the picture it looked like a homemade tag and not a odnr permit, but I dont know if any of it is true or not. Anybody else hear this? That would sure suck if this did happen!!!!!!!!!!

[Jeff Goebel]

She harvested the buck legally on public land and it has not been taken away from her. All of these rumors are total b#ll*****. The buck has already been mounted and returned to Nicole. She is now waiting on the 60 day drying period to end for an official score. She has not sold the rack or been offered $250.000 from Cabela's. She did not"find" this buck already dead. She did not hit it with a car. She hasn't started her own line of womens camo. Bill Jordan is not leaving his wife for her... Oh yea, she hasn't started her own website yet...:rolleyes:

[Thunderflight]

So the rumor about the aliens isn't true too.

[CritterGitter]

Jeff, thanks for the info. Congrats to Nicole. She should be very proud of that accomplishment. A lot of people talk poorly of deer hunting in Ohio(mostly on another site) and I think she is a great example of how hard work can pay off. Nobody goes out to public land and lucks out and scores on a whopper like that without paying some dues(well I guess it could happen but it is certainly not the norm). That is an awesome trophy whitetail buck and I certainly congratulate her on the accomplishment.

CG

[mrex]

Jeff - Cabela's only offered 250K for her deer? They offered a cool million for mine. LOL Man can I relate to your post. Once the rumor mill gets crankin', there's no stopping it. According to some of the locals around here, I actually killed my once in a lifetime buck in a pen, which is true, if you consider the planet earth as confinement! LOL

[countyroad]

Yep, the rumors that fly once someone has taken a buck such as Nicole's.

[Jeff Goebel]

Mike, you might remember Nicole, she used to be the receptionist at the front office here in the mill. Goeb

[recurve]

Now isn't it strange, that Mike and Nicole knew each other and BOTH shot deer of a lifetime?:D
.....Probably hit them both with the same vehicle driving through the same pen, at night, with loaded rifles in the truck and no tags....(I KID, I KID!)
No, really - congrats on your deer Mike - and for what it is worth when I found out about your deer, I had more people telling me "if Mike shot it... it is the real deal...." which was REALLY good to hear for a change! Specially since I didn't know who "Mike" was.....:cool:

[specwar]

Jeff,
I do not know if you know me or not, my name is Mack Steinbrook. I was fortunate enough to harvest that huge non-typical in Ross Cty. in '03. This deer green scored 229 3/8 and was taken by bow on my property. After a bunch of rumors, as always happen, the game warden came and confiscated my rack. It has been in the court systems ever since, I was scheduled to go to court, but I was deployed to Iraq and that is where I am now. The people, who I believe, turned me in said that the deer I killed was one that they had seen somewhere other than my property That is all it takes people!!!! Someone to say this, that, or the other and your under the gun. Through the investigation, a set of sheds were confiscated as well. These supposedly came from the same area that the deer was supposedly seen. They were sent off for DNA because they were believed to be the sheds of the deer I killed fifteen miles away. These sheds were a very important piece of evidence, until the results came back NEGATIVE. Now answer this? If the ODNR takes the time and spends the money to send off a set of sheds to be tested with mine, they must have also thought that the racks were similiar in nature as well. Here's my point, Nicole's buck is VERY similiar to mine. And given the location that she took that fine buck, could it have been the buck that everyone was seeing and the not the buck I killed? I think this is a very interesting situation. I am scheduled to be back in court when I get back home in May, I hope you all can show up and see how the system operates.

[Thunderflight]

Another example of the ODNR putting their money to good use. What a crock you would think they'd need more evidence than rumors.

[Jeff Goebel]

Mack, I remember your buck. What a crock of #@$!. Good luck my friend. That's truely a "once in a lifetime whitetail"! Watch your back over there and get home in one piece. Goeb.

Is your dad the barber??? He used to cut my hair when I came home from the service- a million years ago...

[Lance]

Congrats on your deer! I gotta say though it's all the jeolousy/envy BS like that out of people that takes away almost all desire to ever get a monster buck like those are.

[lung buster]

I figured that the story that i had heard was just BS. I guess that people are jealous and have nothing better to do than to make up stories to try and knock someone who accomplished something that they never probably will. Congrats to the lady on her deer of a lifetime!!!! :D

[Ross Co. Bowhunter]

Mack

Good to hear from you. Hope you are well and return safely, and also thank you for your service for our country. I was thinking the same thing about the 2 deer. They resemble each other a lot. Also I was wondering how your fight to recover your deer was going. I haven't seen or spoke with you since trick or treat of 2004. Good luck with it because it’s a darn shame that the DNR doesn't seem to recognize the innocent until proven guilty part of our court systems. Get in touch with me when you get back, we’ll do some bowhunting.

Ross Co. Bowhunter
(Clark Carroll)

[lacure]

What an awesome deer. I saw it a while back on the odnr site. The only rumor I have heard is that it is her first deer and she killed it her first day ever hunting. Any truth to this? Just curious.

[Ross Co. Bowhunter]

Here's the text from the original e-mail I recieved concerning this deer.

"Can you believe a girly nurse can get a deer like this. Only her second year hunting and used a compound bow. Is she awesome or what!! The guys are envious!!!"

Little did they know how true the statement of "The guys are envious" was. For some reason when someone else harvests an animal like this others assume poaching or unethical hunting was involved. I have heard so many different stories about when, where, how that it' not funny. I wish Nicole all the luck and congratulate her for harvesting an outstanding animal. Just a word to the wise if you find yourself in the same situation make sure your ducks are all in a row cause no matter how legal, the harvest of a deer of this caliber will really be scrutinized. Mike took several steps to prove the legality of his kill in Athens Co. and still was subjected to all kinds of character attacks. It’s really sad that when someone harvests a deer like these they spend more time defending themselves then they do sharing their story of the hunt. I must applaud these hunters for more than their success of harvesting these outstanding deer because their skin must be way thicker than mine.

[specwar]

Jeff, yes that is my dad. I sure miss his haircuts, these guys butcher you!!!
Jeff Carroll- Good to hear from you, we will have to do some hunting when I get home. I really missed the season this year, how did you make out? As far as my case goes, I am in limbo until I return. I have my lawyer on it though, and we have a really strong case. It is really sad what hunters nowadays have to go through when they harvest a record deer. If this would have been a basket rack 8 pointer, nothing would have been said. You are right when you mentioned about having your ducks in a row, I even called the game warden and had him come to my house to inspect the deer. To all you hunters, I would like some input on this question. When the game warden came to my house and inspected my deer, I think this was the day after the harvest, let me explain why. I killed my deer on a Sunday, took my pictures to work, showed them around and a friend asked if I had contacted the g/w so that he could confirm the kill and make sure everything was legit. I knew I had harvested an exceptional deer, however I never thought I would be scrutinized like I was and treated like a poacher. Anyway, we contacted the g/w and he met me at my house after work. He examined my deer and told me to put on my hunting clothes so he could take some pictures. I obliged, and several pictures were taken. He congratulated me and said he had to go. My question is this- If you were a game warden and were called to someones house to inspect a possible state record deer, wouldn't you want to see the so-called crime scene (blood trail, gut pile)? This was never done, nor did I think about it at the time. Some food for thought.
I would like everyone's input on this.
Mack

[Elitest]

I would never trust an Ohio game warden. In my opinion they are wolves in sheeps clothing.

[Ross Co. Bowhunter]

Mack sent you a PM.

[mrex]

Jeff - Was Nicole the receptionist after Mrs. Congrove?

Mack - Thank you for keeping us safe. I thought about your situation before "lightning" struck me. Ronnie Rutherford contacted me right after you killed your giant buck. I had 2 years to think about what I would do if I killed a 200" deer. The Athens County Wildlife Officer helped me drag the deer out of the woods and they're still chunkin' rocks at me. Hell, some locals are even throwing rocks at him.

Unfortunatley, large antlers sometimes make people do stupid things and it's the few high profile cases that pan out to really be poaching that fuel this fire. We could all learn from Bill Kontras. He killed the first 200" typical in the history of the BBBC (tied with the Jerman Buck). Mr Kontras is a very private person who suffered through some controversy over the official scoring of his buck and vertually road off into the sunset. If lady luck ever shines on me again, you can call me the high plains drifter! LOL

[Thunderflight]

What's the BBBC.

[Ross Co. Bowhunter]

I think it stands for Buckeye Big Buck Club.

[tuffshot]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mrex
[B]Jeff - Was Nicole the receptionist after Mrs. Congrove?

You are correct Mike..

[Ross Co. Bowhunter]

TF-in your case it might mean Buckeye Button Buck Club.:D :D

[Fish-n-Fool]

I have all the inside information on the Kontras buck, as my Dad knows him and is great freinds with a couple guys that hunt with Bill. My father was called the night of the kill and we have pictures taken from our camera of the Kontras buck immediately after the recovery. Dad drove out to have a look and meet the guys that night.

All I will say about the Kontras buck is that it was indeed harvested during legal shooting hours & under fair chase conditions. I have personally read accounts of the Kontras buck that I know to be untrue - not sure if this was a publishing ploy or what. In a nutshell, much of what I read about the background of the Kontras buck is untrue. I have a hard backed book (I think it is "North American Whitetails") that has an entirely false account of this deer in it.

I heard all kinds of things: "it was shot with a spotlight"
"he poached it on a game reserve" you name it. All untrue.

I have also read accounts claiming (yes in print) that he had observed the buck for 3 seasons, etc.. Also, not true.

The FACTS are hard to come by. I tend to believe that the majority of record class animals are taken legally. I do realize exceptions exist, but they are just a few "rotten apples spoiling the barrel"

[mrex]

Fish-n-Fool - I've personally never heard any negative comments surounding the legality of the Kontras buck, but I know there to be a controversy over the official score. I don't blame Mr. Kontras one bit for not allowing P&Y or anybody else to panel score the rack. The rack was officially scored by an official scorer. If I was Mike Beatty, I never would have allowed P&Y to touch my rack either.

[JC5]

This situation is something I think about alot on stand. Is asking the game warden to come out and help you with the deer (tracking and dragging) the way to go??? If you monster buck slayers do it again, what will you do differently??? What suggestions can you give us guys (and gals) whose dream of shooting a monster may come reality?

[mrex]

JC5 - I don't know, maybe 2 game wardens would make for an easier drag. LOL

As far as suggestions or things I would do differently. The two biggies are 1) under no circumstances should you ever, and I mean ever, send a digital copy of your deer photo to anyone for any reason. As my friend Stan Potts told me, "the internet has made the hunting community one big hunting camp". I emailed my deer photo to a hanful of friends and within a week it's cut and pasted all over the world. 2) Always ask to proof read any information to be printed by a writer or journalist before it goes to print. These folks sometimes take "journalistic freedom" and slant the info, especially if they have a story to tell. If they don't want to, then don't let them print it.

The euphoria that comes after taking the buck of your dreams can certainly cloud your better judgement. For the first couple days after I took my buck this year, I had a picture of the darn thing stapled to my forehead. The novelty soon wore off and I now wish I would have kept things more to myself. I actually learned this lesson years ago but somehow suffered a bout of "mental pause" last fall. When I first got serious about trophy hunting back in the late 80's, I used to pin up a picture of every buck I had taken at the local gun shop in here in Athens. All that really accomplished was to draw attention to the areas I hunt and eventually lose some really good spots to increased hunting presure.

[JC5]

mrex, I have thought about the picture thing too. I try not to even tell the landowner of any big bucks I have seen on his property. Always try to keep it at yeah I saw a few does. Another place I hunt has a couple legitimate monsters in the area. I am hoping that not too many people know this because it will be hard to keep people out of there. Anyways, thanks for the response, you made some great points I never thought of.

[specwar]

I believe that is the mistake I made also! Before I knew it, my picture was everywhere. I even had people warn me, but, I was proud of my accomplishment and wanted to share it with the whitetail world. No matter what caliber of deer I ever harvest again, I will be very careful with whom I share my pics with.

[Ross Co. Bowhunter]

mrex
Those are excellent suggestions. It’s a shame that you can’t share your excitement with others but with the internet it only takes a few seconds to forward an e-mail that snowballs in a hurry. I received pics from your deer this year 3-4 times within 2 weeks of your harvest and all from different people. I have a handful of close friends that I trust with pics and know they won’t be spread all over god’s creation. I also will not post someone else’s pic because of this. I have posted pics in the gallery but only of live deer that I don’t care to shoot. About 3 years ago I killed a good deer and its picture was hung up at the local check in station and also it made a local publication. I have lived in this area all my life so the majority of the people know me and where I hunt (a private farm). For the next 2 years the farm was just polluted with hunters, some with permission some without. At one time I counted as many as 9 people bowhunting on the same farm. The year before there were only 2 people hunting the farm. I even had one accuse me of hanging a stand in his spot. He had built a wooden ladder stand 100 yards away from a location I hunt every year. Now when I kill a deer I take it to a check in station that is not local and won’t let them take a picture. This may not seem right to some but when I look back at the hours of frustration spent in the stand watching people drive by me on 4-wheelers at prime time, taking scouting walks during the first of November, hunting deer like rabbits, and all with no respect for other hunters it makes the longer ride to the station worth it. Yes we all have a passion for deer and deer hunting and enjoy seeing pictures of them but we must be considerate of others. I enjoy sharing my hunting adventures with people but today you must be careful who you tell what. The animal and the hunter deserve more respect than they ever seem to get. False rumors and accusations can leave a sour taste in what is considered to be a once in a lifetime accomplishment. I’ll get down off my box now and wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy/Safe New Year.

[CritterGitter]

Good info guys. I hunt mostly public land in central Ohio and it is not a big tract of land compared to what is available down in SE Ohio. However, it is a sizeable piece at 6800 acres. However, with it being within a 40 min drive of Columbus, Delaware, Marion and basically a very large population of hunters it gets a lot of pressure. One of my tactics is to find escape routes and areas that don't get used very often.

I took a 120 class buck last year during gun season from a spot that likely hadn't seen 10 hunters all season last fall. The picture made the local check station wall and they got a lot details from me. This year, I have not been able to get in that spot without seeing at least 3 or 4 hunters each trip.

I like the suggestion that someone made of taking a buck to a non-local check station which is good because you can take a deer to an adjoining county to check it in.

CG

[Jeff Goebel]

Trophy big game animals breed envy. Especially big whitetail bucks. It's almost like gold fever. Even your own buddies will sometimes turn on you. I've seen friendships ruined, camps broken up...etc. After 30 years of chasing whitetails, I learned long ago...pimping your buck is usually not a good idea. ;) On the other hand... You guys wanna see my last elk??? HeHeHe...:D

[tuffshot]

Have you every had a mushroom hunter tell where he found several pounds? It is usually his well kept secret. So should be the deer spot of a lifetime in my book.

This state is already being invaded by other state hunters and newer hunters in a quest for getting to kill a big buck and the what they think will be rewards of great recognition. Only to find out that everyone will think they poached it..:rolleyes:

Even before the internet the hunter who took the bigger buck of the season has rumors spread about them. Remember the Montgomery Buck? It has all but dissapeared after all of the descepancy over it.

All of this for about 15 minuites of glory in the publics eye.;)

[Jeff Goebel]

Good point Don. The state feeds on our inability to control our own egos. They love it when you self-promote your big buck via the internet, film, magazine, etc.. Just look at their website. Free publicity for them. We are heading in the same direction as Southern IL and Texas faster than we realize.Then they inflate the deer pop. numbers, put it all out there in cyberland and poof: they just sold 5000 more NR tags. 200 more farms are lost to leasing, 500 more aggressive, door knockin', "modern hunters" are created and I lose another place to hunt... :(

["J"]

Tuffshot I was going to post the same, the trophy is in the eye of the beholder. Not to condem anyone but the true trophy for most people will not be the 180 class or better buck but the small eight point or old doe that you scouted and worked your tail off to hunt and harvest, the one you froze your butt off for days sitting on stand waiting for it to show then passing on it because of a bad angle or worried about getting busted by the does in the area. That my friends are the true trophies in my book. Now don't get me wrong I'm just like everyone else I'd like a 180 or better class on my wall but as just as happy with a smaller one if I worked for it. For me the two mounts that I have harvested more or less fell in my lap. I scouted the areas seeing good deer sign but not much buck sign, I put my blinds in the doe zone so to speak and just got lucky to be in the right spot at the right time, 1 ten point 135 class and 1 eight point to be determined. Did I deserve these two I don't know I guess I scouted properly and made the right decision but I've shot smaller bucks that I have scouted and worked much harder for and got more satisfaction out of I can tell you that. So anyone with antler envy can and will make false statements to the credibility of others but you have to take into account if you don't know the person don't always think they're dishonest just because the rumor mill says so.

[Thunderflight]

I've had several rumors going around about the buck I killed on base this year.

["J"]

Now that you mention it TF I had heard from some guy's down there that the retinas were burned out of it's eyes some say due to a Q-beam :rolleyes: ;) :D Just Kidding

[tuffshot]

Thanks Jeff.. And your right about the wave of big buck hunters moving in from the West until we end up the same way as Iowa and Illinois, or maybe even Texas. The steps and changes being made today will affect future generations.

Well gentlemen,

There is a differance between self gratification on the buck you have worked so hard to get and self recognition that some seem to seek from others.

The internet has made many a lot of new and unseen friends, some you can trust and some you can't.

Don't get me wrong I love seeing the big bucks that are killed here in Ohio and congratulate the hunter. But as Goeb indicated it can be used as another tool of commercialisum and against the local hunters.

[Jeff Goebel]

Right man. I'm not trying to take anything away from a guy who works his a$$ off to crack a great buck. He deserves all the braggin' rights in the world...I've been fortunate enough to kill more than my share of trophy bucks, so I know the consequenses of parading one around. I've gotten to the point where I don't even score em' anymore, let alone enter one in a book... It's the biggest reason I switched to traditional archery. I can kill a 120 class buck and I feel like I killed a B&C... and no one gives a hoot about it cept' me.

[mrex]

anyone remember maslo's hierarchy of needs from psyc 101? the first needs are food, water etc... and the last is called self actualization. Self actualization is only achieved by a handful of people in any lifetime, and it's when you get to the point when the only person you have to impress is yourself. The only person I've met who I think is honestly there is my dad, and he doesn't hunt! LOL I know I've got a ways to go. I'll also say this, it's easy to say what you might do in a situation you've never been in.

As far as non-resident hunters are concerned, I believe the cat jumped out of the bag with the Beatty Buck. As far as leasing is concerned, it's only going to get worse and that's a fact. The only reason it hasn't spread more already is the fact that Ohio doesn't have the large private land owners like some other states do. Mead Paper(newpage), the largest private land owner in the state, was one of the last paper company's to lease their land, and as far as paper company's go, they don't really own much. IP, GP and the like own millions of acres and have been actively leasing it to sportsmen for 30+ years. It's not that rural land owners up here don't like money as much as they do down south, they just don't own as big of a chunk. It's been pay to play in other states for years.

[Jeff Goebel]

Hey Mike, FYI, Escanaba Timber Co. (Mead) sold ALL of their Ohio land two weeks ago to Tolleson Land and Timber Co. They specialize in buying, breaking up, and selling land. Now every tract in the state is up for grabs individually or as a whole. Here's your chance boys! Slap your brand on a hunk of land.
Of course you're right about leasing being around for decades. The problem with the Buckeye state is the fact that we have 650,000 hunters...and very little public land. Losing Mead lands (150,000 acres in Ohio) has been huge to a small, overcrowded state with limited public hunting. Compared to our neighbors like PA, KY, and WV, we don't stack up. I do feel that we are better off than IN or IL although I've never hunter either state. What will the loss of Mead woodlands mean? I reckon time will tell. :confused: Goeb

[Frank in the Laurel]

Jeff....do you have any contact information with the new owners? Nothing is coming up on the search information..

[V.P.]

Originally posted by Frank in the Laurel
Jeff....do you have any contact information with the new owners? Nothing is coming up on the search information..

Even though my dad owns a small piece of land it would be nice if I could get some for my kids and myself.

[Thunderflight]

I might be looking to buy a few acres in Ohio this Summer too.

[Revival]

Originally posted by Jeff Goebel
Oh yea, she hasn't started her own website yet...:rolleyes:

Ouch... that hurts... :rolleyes:

If you would have listened to the rumors of my deer I had it taken away as recently as 4 weeks ago...

Kontras met the guidlines of scoring that were in place at that time (one scorer). I doubt highly that the deer nets 200+ though.

Without the panel scoring, my deer netted 202 1/8 beating the previous state record by 1". Scored by the current president of the BBBC, so I would say he is as qualified as anyone.

[Revival]

I went past the time allowing editing or I would have wacked the stuff about Mr. Kontras' buck. Hindsight is beter that foresight... :(

I don't want people to think that I take the blessing for granted.

It sure is a good problem to have, and I am truely blessed.

[mrex]

The Kontras Buck scores 201 1/8 and will forever score 201 1/8.

The Boone & Crockett scoring system is full of subjectivity and judgement calls. The buckmasters sytem is a lot more "fair" to the animal, but B&C is the gold standard by which they are judged. When I was president of the club, I had several guys who were unhappy with their original score petition to have a panel score. In each instance, the panel came up with a lower score. Shrinkage is real, just ask George Costanza. LOL

[XX78]

The shower water was cold

[Jeff Goebel]

Tolleson Land and Timber-1-800-694-9754. You can google it although they don't have the Ohio tracts listed yet on their website. I don't have a clue of how to post a link.


Mike, correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't Bill develop some type of cancer after he killed his buck. Then recovered and killed another good buck a year or two later with limited use of one of his arms???

[10Gauge]

This thread is full of rumors and not just about deer!!!!

As a current "leasee" of the former Escanaba Timber, formerly MeadWestvaco and now Tolleson land lease, we have been officially informed by Tolleson's land manager that all existing leases will be renewed in June and that they are only considering the sale of the Raccoon Valley tract to the ODNR (16,000 acres) in Vinton county. According to Tolleson's manager a signed agreement with NewPage states they (TLT) will provide NewPage with timber for a 10 year period and ANY other OHIO tracts that they might consider sell the purchaser will be required to sign an agreement authorizing TLT to harvest timber!

If TLT does elect to sell other tracts of OHIO timber lands my guess is it will be a timber company who makes the purchase the ODNR doesn't have the funds to buy 150,000 acres nor would they allow timber harvest!

[lacure]

This is a great thread...tons of good suggestions and information. I originally posted something that was taken the wrong way (and I don't blame Mike for taking it the way he did) when I read some of the posts about Mike's buck. It is sad that these things spin out of control.

To me, the worst part is the fact that you guys who are blessed with harvesting these monsters cannot share your achievements with the rest of us. I absolutely love seeing pictures of large Ohio deer....not because I am going to run and and try to find the exact spot it was killed, get permission and hunt it hard from then on; but, instead, I like the pics b/c it keeps my spirits up and hopes high on cold, wet, no-movement days on stand. Just knowing that our state holds some of these monsters makes it easier to stay out there. Sure, some of the spots I hunt may not consistently produce monsters, but as long as Ohio does, I can sit there and hope.

I guess I just don't understand why people would flock to a spot like that and ruin it for someone who has worked so hard.

I can promise you this, I will try to never forward information about big Ohio bucks to people who I do not trust, so please keep posting the pics...hope is a great thing especially when you are in the middle of your 4th day on stand without seeing a thing!

Thanks, guys!

[Jeff Goebel]

10 guage. Please don't insinuate that I am spreading rumors....Tolleson must provide timber to Newpage for 13 years. I am also a lease holder with SCVSA and ran the stewardship program for Liar's Club this year. (we won). I've worked for Newpage for almost 20 years and know the woodlands folks very well. I have been in the woodlands office 2 times in the past 2 weeks. I have spoken in person with Newpage foresters and Tolleson's people. I also can sit on my front porch and observe your lease. If you think for one minute that Tolleson is not going to sell this land...Well, I only wish that I could live that deeply in denial!! Honest realtors and timber people are hard to find. I was told personally that every tract will have a price by the end of the year at the latest. Your former forester and mine told me this. One was offered a job by Tolleson to manage Ohio lands, but decided not to accept due to the fact that he knew the job would be temporary. Will it all be sold quickly??? No. But it will be sold. Just look at Tolleson's website. We would have been much better off being sold to Plum Creek. You are correct about the state wanting the Racoon Expieramental Forest. As far as providing timber to the mill....Tolleson just inherited that clause from ETC's contract and can pass it on to any future buyer.

[cms0800]

mike i got a nice 9 pt this year who should i get to score it around athens. i green scored it at 147 groos 141 net. let me know...

[coonskinner]

i have yet to hear a trash word about mikes deer from the locals in athens,some of those locals there are my relatives /freinds who have lived in the area all their lives and there is a lot of them ,not one bad word from them and yes they all know about it......all the trash i have heard has been by the internet by bowhunters,some prolly just made it up...most of the locals or townies as some call em will give you the shirt of their back...best people i know live around athens...:)

[mrex]

cms 0800- I'll be happy to score it for you. Let me know when the 60 days is up.

[cms0800]

the 60 days are up. what are you doing next wednesday. i could bring it over. i like to make sure im scoreing it right so if you can show me how its done.

[cms0800]

mike let me know where and when. i shoot the deer oct.26 so it you can buzz me. so we can meet. thanks